Scientists: Greenland ice sheet is melting freakishly early

April 13, 2016 by By Seth Borenstein
Credit: NASA

Greenland's massive ice sheet this week started melting freakishly early thanks to a weather system that brought unseasonably warm temperatures and rain, scientists say.

While this record early melt is mostly from natural weather on top of overall global warming, scientists say they are concerned about what it means when the melt season kicks in this summer. This however could be temporary.

On Monday and Tuesday, about 12 percent of the surface area—656,000 square miles or 1.7 million square kilometers—showed signs of ice, according to Peter Langen, a climate scientist at the Danish Meteorological Institute. It smashed record for early melting by more than three weeks.

That's normal for late May not mid-April, Langen said.

Normally, no ice should be melting in Greenland at this time of year. Before now, the earliest Greenland had more than 10 percent surface area melting was on May 5, back in 1990. Even in 2012, when 97 percent of Greenland experienced melt, it didn't have such an early and extensive melt.

Langen said the amount of melt now is not the issue, timing is: "It's nothing for July, it's huge for April."

"It's disturbing," Langen said. "Something like this wipes out all kinds of records, you can't help but go this could be a sign of things we're going to see more often in the future."

What's causing this weeks' unusual melt is a weather system that is bringing warm temperatures to Greenland and funneling lots of warmer-than-normal rain up from the south, Langen said. The rain and the above freezing temperatures help melt the ice.

Greenland's capital, Nuuk, reached 62 degrees (16.6 degrees Celsius) on Monday, smashing the April record high temperature by 6.5 degrees. Inland at Kangerlussuaq, it was 64 degrees (17.8 degrees Celsius), warmer than St. Louis and San Francisco.

Langen and other scientists said this is part of a natural , but man-made climate change has worsened this. Tom Mote of the University of Georgia said had this natural event happened 20 or 30 years ago it wouldn't have been as bad as it is now because the air is warmer overall and carries more rain that melts the ice faster.

"Things are getting more extreme and they're getting more common," said NASA ice scientist Walt Meier. "We're seeing that with Greenland and this is an indication of that."

"This kind of freakish warm spell is another piece in the puzzle," Meier said. "One freakish thing every once in a while you might expect. But we're getting these things more often and that's an indication of climate change."

Langen said the measurements are based on scores of observations from monitors on the ice fed into a computer simulation. NASA normally measures melt with a satellite, but there are problems with the instruments, Meier said. Still, Mote said the satellite, if correct, showed on Monday conditions similar to what Denmark is reporting.

Greenland ice sheet melting is one of the more visible and key signs of man-made global warming from the burning of fossil fuels because it is causing seas to rise, putting coastal areas at risk, Meier said.

If the entire Greenland ice sheet melted, which would take centuries, it could add 20 feet or more to global sea level, Meier said. But within the next century, Greenland ice melt alone could raise sea level by a couple feet, he said.

"The concern is things are moving faster than we thought," Meier said.

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More information: The Danish Meteorological Institute's Polar Portal: polarportal.dk/en/nyheder/arki … eltning-i-groenland/

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chileastro
4.2 / 5 (34) Apr 13, 2016
This is the problem with the enviro-terrorists and the Planet Cloaca proponents. Their denying stance is an article of faith- it is not falsify-able. Even if they live long enough to see the effects (shudders) they will still deny the cause. It would be like people living today that think we've never been to the moon. Or people that think FDR was a communist.

So, ideas don't die, the people holding them do. An ego identity based non falsify-able hypothesis will always continue to rear its irrational head. Should be any moment the head of that malodorous phallus that continues to shag us all pops up here to come and enlighten us. So, in anticipation- Antirational: Bite me!
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (25) Apr 13, 2016
This is the problem with the Chicken Little idiots and the Sky is falling blow-hards. Their ignorant stance is an article of faith......

In other news, it rained in Greenland. More squawking from the Chicken Little idiots at 6.
leetennant
5 / 5 (28) Apr 13, 2016
Sea level rises and a massive impact on the Thermohaline circulation. If the Arctic is the canary in the coal mine, Greenland is the poor guy holding its cage.
philstacy9
1.3 / 5 (23) Apr 13, 2016
Don't worry that is weather not climate.
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (21) Apr 14, 2016
Remember when the Chicken Little idiots were all over the North Pole melting and it turned out it was just rain. Well, what a surprise, you can fool the stupid all the time.
https://www.googl...p;uact=8
DirtyLens
1.2 / 5 (18) Apr 14, 2016
No more renewable firewood for environuts1
thermodynamics
5 / 5 (20) Apr 14, 2016
Anti-thought said:
Remember when the Chicken Little idiots were all over the North Pole melting and it turned out it was just rain. Well, what a surprise, you can fool the stupid all the time.
https://www.googl...p;uact=8


Is it true that you have finally starting to agree with the rest of civilization that the North polar ice is melting due to AGW? That is what it seems. Finally, anti seems to have realized what the rest of the people who can read have known for years...
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (18) Apr 14, 2016
Remember when the Chicken Little idiots were all over the North Pole melting and it turned out it was just rain. Well, what a surprise, you can fool the stupid all the time.
https://www.googl...p;uact=8


Is it true that you have finally starting to agree with the rest of civilization that the North polar ice is melting due to AGW? That is what it seems. Finally, anti seems to have realized what the rest of the people who can read have known for years...

The evidence is overwhelming, that stupidity is an absolute requirement for Chicken Little club membership, but to make it a competition for the stupidest is taking things too far.
HocusLocus
1.2 / 5 (19) Apr 17, 2016
These researchers are playing the El Nino 'PEEKABOO AGW SCARE HEADLINE GAME'. Here's how to play,

(they hide El Nino under a blanket, referring to it obliquely as a 'hot' or 'natural' weather system, to discourage 'Aha!' response from the public, because everyone knows by now that El Ninos bring unseasonably warm temperatures) "Temperatures are high" "Things are melting!" "We are afraid!"

(with a flourish they snatch off the blanket and uncover El Nino) "Peekaboo! We knew it was El Nino under there all along! We're actually talking about this tiny trend hidden below the El Nino signal this year... (they point to something else)... THIS is what you should be concerned about..."

It's childish and condescending, but that is what it has come down to. Downright Hucksterism.
gkam
3.1 / 5 (19) Apr 17, 2016
Why do we endure offensive kooks like otto and anti?

Do we have no moderators?
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (18) Apr 17, 2016
@antigoracle
You are an idiot, Chucky.

Your wife says that every time she catches you in her underwear drawer. Has she told you who your children daddies are yet?
antigoracle
1 / 5 (17) Apr 17, 2016
I bet the Chicken Little idiots weren't aware of HOT SPRINGS in Greenland.
https://www.googl...fe_rd=cr
HeloMenelo
3.9 / 5 (15) Apr 17, 2016
This is the problem with the Chicken Little idiots and the Sky is falling blow-hards. Their ignorant stance is an article of faith......

In other news, it rained in Greenland. More squawking from the Chicken Little idiots at 6.


bonobo monkey doing some fine tree swinging today eh..? ;)
Mark Thomas
4 / 5 (12) Apr 17, 2016
Unfortunately, global warming on Earth is real, man-made and deleterious. I have never experienced a winter as warm as this last one and it is very worrisome. One has to wonder just how much warmer is it going to get?

The irony of global warming is that the effect is bound to become a great ally of humanity on Mars and perhaps many other frozen worlds.
HeloMenelo
4.1 / 5 (17) Apr 17, 2016
No more renewable firewood for environuts1


but then you and your sockpuppet antisciencegorilla monkey won't be able to swing from the trees anymore !...
HeloMenelo
4.2 / 5 (19) Apr 17, 2016
I bet the Chicken Little idiots weren't aware of HOT SPRINGS in Greenland.
https://www.googl...fe_rd=cr



we are aware of the hotspot that cooked your 2 braincells, feel that popping against your skull.. ? it's actually corn starting to pop popcorn... :D
gkam
3.1 / 5 (17) Apr 17, 2016
"we are aware of the hotspot that cooked your 2 braincells, feel that popping against your skull.. ? it's actually corn starting to pop popcorn... :D"
-------------------------------------

Let's not do any more of this, okay?
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.4 / 5 (14) Apr 17, 2016
George kamburoff the psychopath thinks that objecting to abusive comments toward others will help him gain friends and allies, and win points with 'rational' posters like thermodynamics, and enable him to post his own lies unmolested.

A typical ploy of the psychopath.

Dream on george. You're holier than nobody.
howhot2
3.2 / 5 (9) Apr 17, 2016
I'll take your 2 braincells and raise you 2.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (11) Apr 18, 2016
@antigoracle
You are an idiot, Chucky.

Phys,
Please don't use that name (as it is mine)...:-) Pick another, please?
chileastro
3.7 / 5 (15) Apr 18, 2016
Hey, moderator, read what it's like to actually do your job and then straighten up and fly right. https://www.thegu...oderator

If I ever get caught doing any of my vigilante acts against trolls I'm suing PO with an "attractive nuisance" suit. You can't just publish spammy, self-serving, discredited crap without consequences.
antigoresockpuppet
3 / 5 (12) Apr 18, 2016
Sugar Daddy has to carry a gun now, he's so afraid of the chicken littles.
AGreatWhopper
3.4 / 5 (10) Apr 18, 2016
How fucking FECKLESS is it that chileastro can explicitly state who will troll when, they're the next comment, and it isn't removed???

I'd like to break a beer bottle off in anti's ass.
AGreatWhopper
3.5 / 5 (11) Apr 18, 2016
Sea level rises and a massive impact on the Thermohaline circulation. If the Arctic is the canary in the coal mine, Greenland is the poor guy holding its cage.


antirational is the crud that builds up behind the scrotum of the guy holding the cage.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (12) Apr 18, 2016
" you're a liar for saying you've had him blocked for 3 months."
----------------------------------
He is obviously not blocked by me. I had to start defending myself. And I retired ten years ago. Now, I can try to educate the young folk who live in Wiki and think it makes them smart. And I suggest you eschew that word "liar".

Reading about something like rebuilding an automobile and actually doing it creates a gross amount of knowledge differential in favor of experience, actually DOING it.

These folk think finding little semantic nonsense about which to argue makes them smart, instead of proving their ignorance. If you have experience you are their enemy, because you can expose their ignorance, but they get really nasty if you do have it.

But they own this forum, . . . so far.

Who are you? Another anonymous sniper like otto and Ira and Trumpy? What is YOUR recipe for getting rid of the character assassins and snipers?
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 18, 2016
DSM on Narcissistic Personality Disorder and fucking learn that "psychopath" is a meaningless phrase
So first you say it's meaningless and then you say you could pick my bones in court for using it?

Opinions are protected speech. Mine come mainly from this site:
http://www.cassio...path.htm

-whose genuine experts seem to disagree with your 'opinion'.

How come?

But you're right, psychopathy/sociopathy is/are far from being well-defined.

But I will continue to quote from that very excellent site every time the lying cheating bullshit artist george kamburoff drops additional evidence.

The similarities are uncanny.
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 18, 2016
Especially because of this:

"The high incidence of sociopathy in human society has a profound effect on the rest of us who must live on this planet, too, even those of us who have not been clinically traumatized. The individuals who constitute this 4 percent drain our relationships, our bank accounts, our accomplishments, our self-esteem, our very peace on earth."

-We've all known one. We can agree that they are among the greatest threats faced by modern society.

And lucky us! We get to poke and prod our very own psychopath right here on physorg. Just like that bear tied up out in the town square.

And can watch him shit himself as he inadvertently discloses sensitive personal info and lies about his education and experience.

Because as psychopaths go he's not very talented.

IMO.
gkam
2.1 / 5 (11) Apr 18, 2016
I am deeply disappointed in what happens to folk when they think nobody knows who they are. Look at yourselves, and experience disgust and embarrassment.

Your mothers would be really proud of you.

.
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (10) Apr 18, 2016
What's your problem? Why are anti and his ilk still breathing? @Jim_x
advocating for premeditated homicide because someone is an "idiotic troll on the internet posting their religious belief because they can't find evidence to support it" is a little extreme, don't you think?

the internet is where religion comes to die for this reason: logical, methodical evidence based argument is the bane of religious proselytizers!

therefore it is far better to sink the whole religion with information, evidence and easily accessed proof than allow it to fester in society with "martyrs for the cause" because that really would vindicate some of the troll-comments on conspiracy and add credibility to their delusions
(as well as make the sheeple who're too stupid to tell the difference between evidence and analogy/belief stand in awe of the idiot martyr and narcissistic sociopathic leadership)

Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (8) Apr 18, 2016
Gawd, how fucking thick do you have to be to not be able to read the DSM on Narcissistic Personality Disorder and fucking learn that "psychopath" is a meaningless phrase
@Jim_x
true, but not all cultures or countries utilise the DSM. Britian still uses the term.

.

.

-whose genuine experts seem to disagree with your 'opinion'
@Otto
when was that published? it describes a *sociopath*, the modern DSM term (with caveat's) to psychopath. Sociopath is used now because there are subtle differences in type and it can be differentiated into non-dangerous and dangerous as well as functionality and operational ability in society (like a high functioning sociopathic serial killer).

psychopath is still used in Britian and the Queen's english
HeloMenelo
4 / 5 (12) Apr 18, 2016
@antigoracle
You are an idiot, Chucky.

Your wife says that every time she catches you in her underwear drawer. Has she told you who your children daddies are yet?


yaaaawn...ogh.. have some more bananas, perhaps then you can crack a better joke yes ?.... ;)
HeloMenelo
4.1 / 5 (13) Apr 18, 2016
"we are aware of the hotspot that cooked your 2 braincells, feel that popping against your skull.. ? it's actually corn starting to pop popcorn... :D"
-------------------------------------

Let's not do any more of this, okay?


okay ;) ...nnnooottt... :D I'm on a roll here, been having a blast on this site for years exposing antisciencegorilla monkey with his popcorn brain and sockpuppets, and let me tell ya, there ain't no stopping.... ever !..whoooot :D speak the truth, state your evidence or prepared to be ridiculed ! ! The earth can only be saved if we work together, those in favour against the good and the better will be exposed... always, there is no excuse for people talking bs to try and cover up those who contribute in earths destruction ! No excuse !
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) Apr 18, 2016
You got a source for any of that stump?

It's from a book.

Here is the test currently used for psychopathy
https://en.wikipe...hecklist

-and Hare is still involved.
https://en.wikipe..._D._Hare
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (8) Apr 18, 2016
Mask of Sanity
Cleckney
ISBN-13: 9781258058913
Publisher: Literary Licensing, LLC
Publication date: 07/09/2011
Pages: 596
Product dimensions: 6.00(w) x 9.00(h) x 1.44(d)

-But wait!
Dr. Hervey Milton Cleckley (1903-1984) was an American psychiatrist and pioneer in the field of psychopathy. His book, The Mask of Sanity, originally published in 1941
Captain Stumpy
4.6 / 5 (11) Apr 18, 2016
You got a source for any of that stump?
@Otto
yes

now, as for the Brit/vs/US comment... that is purely personal observation and interaction between the two cultures (I've family on both sides and watch BBC) - so it's anecdote

BUT - the terms are still used in psych today

OOPS MY MISTAKE ABOVE
the DSM has changed, per DSM-V (DSM-5) to calling it "antisocial personality disorder"
https://en.wikipe...ki/DSM-5

i have an old checklist. SORRY

i can't find an on-line open access DSM-V to link
https://en.wikipe...ciopathy

psychopathy and sociopathy are descriptive terms and still used so, it's not a big deal either way, IMHO - means the same thing

http://www.webmd....fference

https://www.psych...ychopath

http://psychcentr...ciopath/
TheGhostofOtto1923
4.1 / 5 (9) Apr 18, 2016
And the site I've been quoting from is an essay full of quotes from experts.

I think it's a very good and objective essay which uses both terms. And it has a lot in common with your WebMD page.

"A psychopath doesn't have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won't feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. He may observe others and then act the way they do so he's not "found out," Tompkins says... Psychopaths are more "cold-hearted" and calculating. They carefully plot their moves, and use aggression in a planned-out way to get what they want. If they're after more money or status in the office, for example, they'll make a plan to take out any barriers that stand in the way, even if it's another person's job or reputation."
http://www.m.webm...fference
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (10) Apr 18, 2016
And the site I've been quoting from is an essay full of quotes from experts.
@Otto
it's a good site. it has a beautiful and easy to understand description of psychopathy / sociopathy (antisocial personality disorder)

i did screw up the terminology however... was looking at notes and not at the right page: sorry for that

all my fault - you can blame it on the lack of coffee

gkam
2.2 / 5 (13) Apr 18, 2016
This is about the ice sheets of Greenland, but otto uses it once again to bring up his psychopathy. We cannot help you here, otto.

Go find real help, please.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (10) Apr 18, 2016
No george, as far as you're concerned it's about you.
I had to start defending myself. And I retired ten years ago. Now, I can try to educate the young folk who live in Wiki and think it makes them smart. And I suggest you eschew that word "liar".

Reading about something like rebuilding an automobile and actually doing it creates a gross amount of knowledge differential in favor of experience, actually DOING it.

These folk think finding little semantic nonsense about which to argue makes them smart, instead of proving their ignorance. If you have experience you are their enemy etc
... as usual, just another excuse to post more lies about your 'education and experience'.

And so every time you do, I've got to offer the only explanation for your sick behavior that makes any sense.

You're a psychopath.

And youre not retired you liar. You're still advertising professional services on the internet which is illegal.

Because you never were a pro.
Uncle Ira
4.7 / 5 (13) Apr 18, 2016
Now, I can try to educate the young folk who live in Wiki and think it makes them smart.
Do you think you can do a better job for those "young folk" than Wiki-Skippy? Cher, you get to many things wrong for you being able to educate anybody. In that regard Otto-Skippy is doing the "young folk" a GREAT BIG FAVOR.

Another anonymous sniper like otto
You don't remember the very first exchange you had with Otto-Skippy? I do, and said to my self, "Laissez les bons temps rouler this couyon just don't have a clue as to what he is in for." You flung the first rock Skippy, should have waited for a few days to learn the characters before you did that.

and Ira
Same with me, you thought I would be the easy goober, and flung your rock at me.

and Trumpy?
Yeah, him too when he tried to help you.

What is YOUR recipe for getting rid of the character assassins and snipers?
Some say ban them, but you amuse me so I don't want for that to happen to you.
gkam
2.2 / 5 (13) Apr 19, 2016
You goobers may "throw rocks" at each other there in the swamps, but professionals do not.

And you actually WARNED me? Oh no! I failed to respect the silly words of a phony identity on the internet!!

And it's some guy on a Big Boat!!

How could I make such a silly error?

Please do not call me a couyon, Mister Sniper, . . . PLEASE!!
gkam
2.5 / 5 (11) Apr 19, 2016
I am not going to take environmental advice from some rope-handler on a 9,000 hp diesel boat, stinking up the entire area.

Instead of attacking me, tell us how you are going to do YOUR part.
Noumenon
1 / 5 (5) May 02, 2016
These screen names all post one after another in several threads,.... and have troll rated many of my factual posts in This Thread.... obviously the same person....

jim_xanara
AGreatWhopper
chileastro
antigoresockpuppet

The disturbed adolescent who is behind this trolling has many sock-puppets....

fckthierreyhenry
BongThePuffin
john berry_hobbes
maloderousmiscreant
YoureAPeanut
GoshURStupid

....and on and on.

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