Dawn's first year at Ceres—a mountain emerges

March 8, 2016 by Elizabeth Landau
Ceres' mysterious mountain Ahuna Mons is seen in this mosaic of images from NASA's Dawn spacecraft. Dawn took these images from its low-altitude mapping orbit, 240 miles (385 kilometers) above the surface, in December 2015. The resolution of the component images is 120 feet (35 meters) per pixel. On its steepest side, this mountain is about 3 miles (5 kilometers) high. Its average overall height is 2.5 miles (4 kilometers). These figures are slightly lower than what scientists estimated from Dawn's higher orbits because researchers now have a better sense of Ceres' topography. The diameter of the mountain is about 12 miles (20 kilometers). Researchers are exploring the processes that could have led to this feature's formation. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA/PSI

One year ago, on March 6, 2015, NASA's Dawn spacecraft slid gently into orbit around Ceres, the largest body in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.  Since then, the spacecraft has delivered a wealth of images and other data that open an exciting new window to the previously unexplored dwarf planet.

"Ceres has defied our expectations and surprised us in many ways, thanks to a year's worth of data from Dawn. We are hard at work on the mysteries the spacecraft has presented to us," said Carol Raymond, deputy principal investigator for the mission, based at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California.

Among Ceres' most enigmatic features is a tall mountain the Dawn team named Ahuna Mons. This mountain appeared as a small, bright-sided bump on the surface as early as February 2015 from a distance of 29,000 miles (46,000 kilometers), before Dawn was captured into orbit. As Dawn circled Ceres at increasingly lower altitudes, the shape of this mysterious feature began to come into focus. From afar, Ahuna Mons looked to be pyramid-shaped, but upon closer inspection, it is best described as a dome with smooth, steep walls.

Dawn's latest images of Ahuna Mons, taken 120 times closer than in February 2015, reveal that this mountain has a lot of bright material on some of its slopes, and less on others. On its steepest side, it is about 3 miles (5 kilometers) high. The mountain has an average overall height of 2.5 miles (4 kilometers). It rises higher than Washington's Mount Rainier and California's Mount Whitney.

This side-perspective view of Ceres' mysterious mountain Ahuna Mons was made with images from NASA's Dawn spacecraft. Dawn took these images from its low-altitude mapping orbit, 240 miles (385 kilometers) above the surface, in December 2015. The resolution of the component images is 120 feet (35 meters) per pixel. A 3-D (anaglyph) view is also available. This mountain is about 3 miles (5 kilometers) high on its steepest side. Its average overall height is 2.5 miles (4 kilometers). These figures are slightly lower than what scientists estimated from Dawn's higher orbits because researchers now have a better sense of Ceres' topography. The diameter of the mountain is about 12 miles (20 kilometers). Researchers are exploring the processes that could have led to this feature's formation. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA/PSI

Scientists are beginning to identify other features on Ceres that could be similar in nature to Ahuna Mons, but none is as tall and well-defined as this mountain.

"No one expected a mountain on Ceres, especially one like Ahuna Mons," said Chris Russell, Dawn's principal investigator at the University of California, Los Angeles. "We still do not have a satisfactory model to explain how it formed."

About 420 miles (670 kilometers) northwest of Ahuna Mons lies the now-famous Occator Crater. Before Dawn arrived at Ceres, images of the from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope showed a prominent bright patch on the surface. As Dawn approached Ceres, it became clear that there were at least two spots with high reflectivity. As the resolution of images improved, Dawn revealed to its earthly followers that there are at least 10 bright spots in this crater alone, with the brightest area on the entire body located in the center of the crater. It is not yet clear whether this bright material is the same as the material found on Ahuna Mons.

"Dawn began mapping Ceres at its lowest altitude in December, but it wasn't until very recently that its orbital path allowed it to view Occator's brightest area. This dwarf planet is very large and it takes a great many orbital revolutions before all of it comes into view of Dawn's camera and other sensors," said Marc Rayman, Dawn's chief engineer and mission director at JPL.

Researchers will present new images and other insights about Ceres at the 47th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, during a press briefing on March 22 in The Woodlands, Texas.

When it arrived at Ceres on March 6, 2015, Dawn made history as the first mission to reach a dwarf planet, and the first to orbit two distinct extraterrestrial targets. The mission conducted extensive observations of Vesta in 2011-2012.

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FineStructureConstant
3.9 / 5 (13) Mar 08, 2016
Bet there's a black monolith buried right at the heart of the mountain... ;-)
MaxwellSmith
3.6 / 5 (10) Mar 08, 2016
How deep is the "crater" next to it? Does the volume of the mountain equal the volume missing in the "crater"? Ancient open-pit mining site.. :)
MaxwellSmith
3 / 5 (6) Mar 08, 2016
That really does not look like a natural crater, it does not have a rounded bottom like all the others nearby. On top of that the "mountain" looks like it was built from loose debris, notice the smooth sides created by loose debris as it grew. weird
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (10) Mar 08, 2016
Ancient open-pit mining site.. :)
Max
Why not just say "Alien Whack-a-mole?
makes just as much sense considering the location? [hyperbole]
That really does not look like a natural crater
depends on where you are from... i've seen similar formations that are completely natural here on Mars...oops, i mean earth! LOL

Science doesn't jump to the "aliens" conclusion unless there is a lot more evidence than a pic of a hole and a dirt mountain... this is the reason we know the Moon craters or Grand Canyon were made from impacts and erosion (respectively) and not plasma discharge, like the eu cult says

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@FineStructureConstant
Awesome 2001 reference!
LMFAO
Tuxford
1.6 / 5 (14) Mar 08, 2016
"We still do not have a satisfactory model to explain how it formed."


Since ancient mining operation cannot be considered by science, even though it is the most likely explanation. The carved sides are linear, likely from a collimated drilling laser. The mountain was then extracted from the crater, flipped and moved. The top was mined for the mysterious glowing material, and the residue dumped back into the crater floor.

In Peru, there are examples of large blocks carved from quarries likely from using similar high tech drilling methods. So why not on Ceres, where the gravity is only 3 percent of Earth?

If science would permit itself to examine the alien explanation, much progress would be made. But NSA propaganda for decades has muzzled science, in order to keep a classified electro-gravitic physics classified.
big_hairy_jimbo
5 / 5 (6) Mar 08, 2016
I'll add to the nonsense.

If you rotate the mountain 90 degrees, then flip upside down, I think you could plug the crater quite nicely!!!
dan42day
4.3 / 5 (3) Mar 08, 2016
If they would just orbit down a little closer you could see the abandoned ancient mining equipment along with the skeletons of 8-legged mules.
24volts
5 / 5 (5) Mar 08, 2016
I can visualize how a flattish ice asteroid could have hit at a high angle and at a relatively slow speed could dig in and then flip over a big pile of dirt as it stops but the angle of the pile should be 90 degree different from what it is. That doesn't add up. I'm obviously missing something there.

I do have to agree though, it does look like a big pit mine with a tailings pile.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
5 / 5 (11) Mar 08, 2016
I agree with Tuxford,
Mysterious glowing material is crucial for any self respecting alien civilization, and Ceres is the only place with it
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2016
Fiction (probably):

The segment of crust, the mountain, remained intact during excavation. The vertical cuts were made first, from a distance. They're visible on the mountain, running top to bottom, parallel, all the way around. Only the angle of inclination changed, to facilitate removal of the crust. Equipment was deployed locally to make the horizontal radial cuts. A straight central tunnel was made, to which all the radial tunnels join, equally spaced all the way around. These are visible on the planar mountain top.

Cont'd >
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2016
> Cont'd

Prior to making the horizontal cuts, both faces of the vertical cuts were coated with material to enable them to be positively charged. This stabilized the segment of crust during horizontal cutting, and when the weight of the segment fractured the remaining material, the coated surfaces were briefly given enough charge to push the segment up and out in an end-over-end motion with a 90º twist. This happened a little over 4 billion years ago. It wasn't a mining operation. It was a rescue mission. Chaotic place back then, and Ceres interfered with an emergency re-materialization maneuver. Advanced those visitors are, yes, but they obviously are not from Galafrey.
Steelwolf
2 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2016
Strangely enough, although there is not a road from the bottom of the pit, there IS what looks like a switch-backed, squared line 'road' that leads up the softer incline side to a rectangular looking item at the top of the mountain. It Does look all too much like tailings, but it could have been easy, especially if it was a high water area, to heat the water to the melt point, extract what minerals ye are looking for, and pipe the rest to the top of the 'tailings mound', where it will solidify into it's own mountain.

Not trying to ad to 'pseudoscience' but I will admit, in this case, the appearance here begs for a real answer, and none of the standard astronomy/geology/chemical/physical methods come up, and yet it looks a LOT like 'Our Own Type' of activity. I think we have had high culture before, thus our racial memories of Atlantis, so it is entirely possible that we roamed the solar system once before we destroyed ourselves, like we have come close to doing again.

Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2016
and yet it looks a LOT like 'Our Own Type' of activity
@steel
1- i see your point, but i also know that you are intentionally looking for something to support your belief considering your quote " I think we have had high culture before, thus our racial memories of Atlantis"...

don't use confirmation bias to explain the unexplained

2- i disagree that this is exclusive to "our own type" of activity. as an avid mountain hiking trekker, i've seen a LOT of similar natural formations here on earth alone. that is not saying i've not seen quarries, but that i've seen that natural erosion AND other means CAN produce a similar formation

I also don't see evidence of higher intelligence so much as a formation that needs some investigation... like a probe
Get some facts before speculating on the cause, IOW

you know... this might well be the plasma discharge evidence eu has been looking for (poke, poke)
[intentional hyperbole and sarcasm]
LMFAO
bschott
5 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2016
If the formations are related there a couple of interesting observations which point to some sort of dynamic process at work. Note there are impact craters in the basin of the large crater, however the mountain slopes and the crater walls are scar free....even though they appear similar in area to the basin...
cantdrive85
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2016
"Ceres has defied our expectations"; "No one expected a mountain on Ceres, especially one like Ahuna Mons,"

Theory fail!

"We still do not have a satisfactory model to explain how it formed."


EDM (electrical discharge machining) is the only real explanation despite ridiculous claims of aliens. It is the one and only mechanism that can explain almost all mysterious and otherwise geological features throughout the Solar System. Simply, two large bodies with a different charge come in close contact, zap! Crater and mountain formed. Aliens? Laughable!
Vietvet
4.6 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2016
EDM has never ever been observed in nature, just as stupid as the aliens did it.

Cratering however has been observed and the solar system offers ample evidence.
Tuxford
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2016
If the formations are related there a couple of interesting observations which point to some sort of dynamic process at work. Note there are impact craters in the basin of the large crater, however the mountain slopes and the crater walls are scar free....even though they appear similar in area to the basin...


Indeed. Note that there are some impacts on the sloped side of the mountain where talus has largely covered the slope. However, the bare sculpted sides appear largely impact free. Could this indicate that the process of mining somehow changed these sculpted surfaces into an extremely hardened layer, one that helped support the movement of the mountain wholly intact?
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2016
"Theory fail!"

Theory absence. You can't model dynamic processes before you observe them. Not even the crackpot type of confirmation bias you attempt to pawn off on science sites can predict what we see, unless you have the attention span of a gerbil. (Which is a popular theory for explaining crackpots. 'I totally saw that before I saw that! 'Cuz I know everything, even before I know.')

E.g. gravity didn't did not have a satisfying explanation until long after Oog's observations, plate tectonics did not have a satisfying explanation until long after Wegener's observations, et cetera.
cantdrive85
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2016
EDM has never ever been observed in nature, just as stupid as the aliens did it.

Cratering however has been observed and the solar system offers ample evidence.

It's "never" been observed in the Solar System?
http://phys.org/n...ing.html
That article shows your stupidity and ignorance. There is a long list of other examples but that one article proves your claim erroneous. Surprise! Vietbabykiller is wrong again.
cantdrive85
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2016
Theory absence. You can't model dynamic processes before you observe them.

Standard Planetary theory is quite robust, based almost entirely on gravitation/accretion doing all the work. That's why there is no explanation of how this mountain was formed. If you prefer to lie and claim "theory absence" to save your dogmatic face, so be it.
Thirteenth Doctor
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2016
If science would permit itself to examine the alien explanation, much progress would be made. But NSA propaganda for decades has muzzled science, in order to keep a classified electro-gravitic physics classified.


I wish I had this thread when I was doing my paper on JVK and his delusions. I really need to find it.

Zzzzzzzz
4 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2016
Everywhere we look, we see ourselves. The man in the moon, the face on mars, etc..... If there is a possible way to interpret what we see as evidence of ourselves or things like ourselves, we will happily do it. It is a bias that is built into us. No matter how well we guard against it, the flaw persists with tremendous tenacity.
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (4) Mar 10, 2016
Researchers are exploring the processes that could have led to this feature's formation.
Is there a natural process that forms 2-3 mile long straight lines, with no jagged outcroppings or meanderings along the vertical slope anywhere at all, all the way around an entire mountain?

Might've been a self-extraction – the vertical lines appear to converge along a horizontal line about a kilometer or two above mountain top. Hard to tell; so, it's fun to conjecture, if it's realistic. And fun to laugh at when unrealistic, e.g., a z-pinched exploding double-layered electrostatic plasma vortex sheet in the magnetic field wake of a galloping electric unicorn.
cantdrive85
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2016
Is there a natural process that forms 2-3 mile long straight lines, with no jagged outcroppings or meanderings along the vertical slope anywhere at all, all the way around an entire mountain?


Yes, electric discharge can recreate these features, as shown in the experiments performed in the following video. What's really cool is if you look real hard you can see the wake from the flying galloping electric unicorn.

https://www.youtu...Jd48t6IY

Simple naturally occurring processes creating ubiquitous geological features found throughout the Solar System. Compare the experimentally created cellular features in the video to the "surprising" features found on Pluto.

http://www.nasa.g...horizons

Nope, you're all right, there is no possible way electric discharge can happen in nature.
Except aurora, lightning, the sun, etc....
big_hairy_jimbo
5 / 5 (1) Mar 10, 2016
Well we know the mountain is, on average, 4km high. I wonder how deep the crater is?
Wonder if any volume comparisons have been done? If it is some kind of excavation (natural or otherwise) then the density of the mountain would be less, (ie greater volume) than the material in it's original compacted state if it was still IN the crater. Mind you, even under the gravity conditions, given enough time the excavated material may well have re-compacted.
TehDog
5 / 5 (7) Mar 10, 2016
Obviously, Ceres was a lot bigger until someone pulled the plug and let all the gas out, I bet if we can get fine enough resolution we'll be able to see the chain... I'll get me coat...
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (9) Mar 11, 2016
That article shows your stupidity and ignorance
@cdTROLL
no, it doesn't, it shows that lightning can have an effect on shaping mountains on earth
if you want to claim lightning (or a plasma) shaped a planet, asteroid, Ceres, probe, Moon or something else, you need more than just a claim and a youtube video from a pseudoscience site

When you make those claims sans evidence while we DO have evidence showing other more probable causes, it makes you look like a complete psychotic nutjob conspiracy theorist... oh wait...nevermind.. you ARE one of those
http://phys.org/n...ris.html

primary source material is important for a reason -
Youtube is fast becoming the pseudoscience equivalent of proof for when they can't actually state "read my peer reviewed paper published in a reputable journal with an impact in the subject"
yep
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
http://sservi.nas...ar-soil/

Sorry, Vietvet you might have missed that first paper in 1961 about this.
Really Captain you are saying lightning is only possibly on earth? Sounds a little silly!
That's almost like the Jesus crispies saying God only made life on earth and it does not happen anywhere else. Hard to believe.
yep
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Mar 12, 2016
Really Captain you are saying lightning is only possibly on earth?
@yep-d-clown
really yeppers, you can't actually read what i wrote?
the specific link is to a PO article on how mountains can be eroded by lightning
the study linked is
Lightning as a geomorphic agent on mountain summits
(again, not Mars, asteroid, Ceres, probe, Moon or something else)
it doesn not prove EDM on Ceres, nor does it demonstrate that it is the cause of the Ceres mountain OR crater

and most important: the eu (esp. cd) has a habit of making stupid invalid claims not supported by evidence...
then occasionally (but rarely) linking some valid evidence... usually not on topic OR relevant but somehow supposed to be demonstrative of their point

this is like saying:
here is a picture of a flash bulb at night, and here is a picture of the sun directly from a camera... notice how the two pictures are washed out and you can't see anything? thats because the Moon is round !

epic FAIL for eu

Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Mar 12, 2016
Oh there it is
http://www.nasa.g...128.html
@eu-yep
1- and thank you for AGAIN proving my point posted above

2- from your link
Scientists currently know of only three other planetary bodies in the entire universe that generate lightning -- Earth, Jupiter and Saturn
at least it is better than the idiot CD's post

so... what next?
are you gonna show me a youtube link from an eight grade boy on a tricycle in the Dakota's mid winter and claim it is evidence of the ability of humans to adapt to the gravity on Pluto?

Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (8) Mar 12, 2016
@yep
That's almost like the Jesus crispies saying God only made life on earth and it does not happen anywhere else. Hard to believe
one more thing
even in your own following link it is stated that the only observed lightning is on Earth, Jupiter, Saturn and Venus...

where is the proof of lightning on Ceres?

Need i remind you about the eu and cd failures WRT shocks to Cassini etc?
http://phys.org/n...oon.html

http://phys.org/n...oon.html

moonhowler rules
1- your ToE/claims cover everything (eu? check, MS? no)
2- if you make a claim that is proven wrong, ignore it and hope no one notices (eu? check, MS? no)
3- if someone brings up your failure, distract and lie (eu? check, MS? no)
4- can't find evidence? show something similar and make sh*t up (eu? check, MS? no)
5- no original source/peer review? not a problem- use argument from random authority (eu? check, MS? no)

need i go on?

yep
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 12, 2016
Yes, you can rant some more if it makes you feel better!
The point is as the article stated lightning exists other places and if discharge is happening on our moon and several other planets why not Ceres.
yep
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
Oh sh*t there it is on Mars as well!
http://www.univer...on-mars/

Yes, rant some more Captain, keep digging that hole!!
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (9) Mar 12, 2016
Oh sh*t there it is on Mars
@eu-nut
thanks for proving my point!

yep says: Hey there IS lightning on Ceres... and i can prove it! see this pic of Mars? (rules: 3,4,1)
The point is as the article stated
WHICH article? yours? cd's? Mine?
are you drunk, illiterate or stupid?

FOCUS! because:
1- that was not the point of my post, but then again, reading and comprehension aren't your strong suit, are they?

2- if you are going to make a point, try actually being a little more specific than "hey, some random link above which shall remain nameless proved something"

3- MY point to cd was about evidence and the fact that you can't claim that because the Grand Tetons look like breasts, they're made of boobies

4- my point to you was about reading and comprehension as well as your failure to actually present relevant evidence for a claim
(imagine that- you couldn't figure that out)

5- just because it's probable doesn't mean it's evidence that it is the cause
Phys1
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 12, 2016
@Tuxford
Since ancient mining operation cannot be considered by science, even though it is the most likely explanation. The carved sides are linear, likely from a collimated drilling laser. The mountain was then extracted from the crater, flipped and moved. The top was mined for the mysterious glowing material, and the residue dumped back into the crater floor.

And it is you who accuses astronomers to be maniacs in almost every post.
Hilarious.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
5 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
Maybe in the early solar system, and occasional times since then, various asteroids were captured into short periods of orbital resonances with Ceres, only to be disrupted by Jupiter.

I think that maybe that little bit of energy in conjunction with radioactive decay and left over heat from its formation created enough energy to have the occasional mountain built. Maybe these are analogous to the mantle plumes on earth that created the Hawaiian islands and the bright spots in craters are where mountains previously stood, but where pulverized by meteors leaving the central mineral vein from the mantle exposed.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
@Steve
Almost ANYTHING is possible and probable. Saying "maybe, could be, might be" is mere speculation, which falls into the category of Theoretical Physics which is based on previous database, which were also based on other previous database, etc. whether those databases were correct or not.

"Theoretical physics is a branch of physics which employs mathematical models and abstractions of physical objects and systems to rationalize, explain and predict natural phenomena. This is in contrast to experimental physics, which uses experimental tools to probe these phenomena."

Engineering lies within the category of Experimental Physics. We are required to PRODUCE GOOD RESULTS, based on established Laws and methods. Speculating may, or may not result in an established FACT - thus it is best for Experimental Physics to take over from the Theorists who dabble in magical wishful thinking, based on either THEIR OWN REALITY, or that which has been tried and found to be true.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 12, 2016
thus it is best for Experimental Physics to take over from the Theorists
@obuttski-D-perv
https://en.wikipe...cess.svg

theoretical physicists build the foundation develop hypothesis and a means of testing to validate or refute an idea, to which it then goes to Experimental physics (like CERN) who actually use the known laws and Hypothesis (as well as established Theory) to test -again, to validate or refute

This leads to collection of data and either acceptance or revision and more testing, which eventually establishes a THEORY (use the scientific definition, not the colloquial one)

this leads to more observation, questions, hypothesis (repeat and continue)
https://en.wikipe...c_method

engineers use the fundamental science and Theory proven by physicists
it is not Theory , the colloquial definition, it is the scientific one

IOW- learn the scientific method
HeloMenelo
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
Oh sh*t there it is on Mars
@eu-nut
thanks for proving my point!

yep says: Hey there IS lightning on Ceres... and i can prove it! see this pic of Mars? (rules: 3,4,1)
The point is as the article stated
WHICH article? yours? cd's? Mine?
are you drunk, illiterate or stupid?

FOCUS! because:
1- that was not the point of my post, but then again, reading and comprehension aren't your strong suit, are they?

2- if you are going to make a point, try actually being a little more specific than "hey, some random link above which shall remain nameless proved something"

3- MY poin...


...Whoohooo...! and another one bites the dust...ddeng deng deng...! As always well said Captain, this donglish waterprophet sockpuppet sure got a sock stuffed in his mouth today (likely one of his old stinky puppets socks that is)...lol.... well said Captain.. :D
Phys1
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
@o_you_suck
Engineering is not experimental physics.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (7) Mar 12, 2016
(cont'd)
The almost complete rejection of Electric Universe theory by theoretical scientists and their followers/supporters is, for the most part, based on Popular Theory, rather than OVERWHELMINGLY factual evidences. Theoretical evidences are based on previous observations which were found to be in accordance with the science that have already met with specified standards. It is those "specified standards" which do not allow for alternatives such as EU to break through that "glass ceiling" of the "proprietary ownership" that popular theoretical science enjoys.

The observation of a mountain and an adjacent crater on Ceres that are basically of the same size has not been validated as to their origins and probable circumstances. In which case, the possibilities of more than just one cause is very likely. Whether from aliens, EU, or natural causes is irrelevant. The fact that it is all there makes it necessary to explore its reality and discover what caused it.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
@o_you_suck
Engineering is not experimental physics.
- Piss1
Why, of course it is, Pissy. Haven't you ever heard of Research & Development aka R & D?

And yes, I do agree with your opinion that Obama sucks.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.2 / 5 (10) Mar 12, 2016
Obama,

Saying "maybe this happened", is not theoretical physics, are you kidding me?
It's called a hypothesis.
Saying something is true when you don't actually know is simply called making shit up.
Something half the people here don't seem to understand because they have intellect of middle schoolers.
Phys1
4 / 5 (8) Mar 12, 2016
@o_you_suck
Engineering is not experimental physics.
- Piss1
Why, of course it is, Pissy. Haven't you ever heard of Research & Development aka R & D?

And yes, I do agree with your opinion that Obama sucks.

I know all about R&D, that is why I spotted your mistake, poo_brain!
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
The almost complete rejection of Electric Universe theory by theoretical scientists and their followers/supporters is, for the most part, based on Popular Theory
@obuttski-D-perv
no, it isn't
it's based on PHYSICS and evidence
for some easy to find examples: http://www.tim-th...sun.html

or read some of the comments here: http://phys.org/n...ggs.html

just because you have mold between your toes doesn't mean there is life on Mars (cogent analogy considering the tactic of yep & cd above)
It is those "specified standards"blah blah EU to break through that "glass ceiling" blah blah bullsh*t
so... your argument is that it's a conspiracy?
really?
WTF! LMFAO
gonna tell us the pyramids prove that next?
the possibilities of more than just one cause
and this is where eu fails!
MS states - we can hypothesis, but then we TEST and find evidence
eu states- It must be electric/edm, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT
(see above)
Phys1
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
@o_perv
Loss of decorum, as you clearly show, is a sign of dementia.
Or have you always been a flasher ?
obama_socks
1 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
Obama,

Saying "maybe this happened", is not theoretical physics, are you kidding me?
It's called a hypothesis.
Saying something is true when you don't actually know is simply called making shit up.
Something half the people here don't seem to understand because they have intellect of middle schoolers.
- Steve

Theoretical Physics merely expounds on hypothesis. And yes, TP does dwell on "maybe, could be, might be". You are correct with: "Saying something is true when you don't actually know is simply called making shit up. " That describes Theoretical Physics perfectly. But it DOES formulate from previous databases, which are based on other previous databases, etc. whether correct or erroneous. It is only through R & D that the truth emerges.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2016
@o_perv
Loss of decorum, as you clearly show, is a sign of dementia.
Or have you always been a flasher ?
- Piss1
Again you describe yourself perfectly. So, that is your true goal in life - to become a perv AND a flasher. Mighty lofty goals for you.
The loss of decorum has been already and previously exhibited by Captain Stumpy, and his master puppeteer, Otto Skorzeny's ghost. You are too scared of their criticism and down ratings to call them on their own crimes and misdemeanors. But that's OK. We all understand.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
"Saying something is true when you don't actually know is simply called making shit up. " That describes Theoretical Physics perfectly
@obutt-perv
no, it doesn't
- you should have read the link:
https://en.wikipe...c_method

it DOES formulate from previous databases...whether correct or erroneous
if this were true, we would be making predictions and using databases based on Flat earth, Earth-centric gravity and alchemy

are you illiterate or do you have brain damage?
It is only through R & D that the truth emerges
no, it is through R&D that something useful emerges that may or may not have been considered

big difference
The loss of decorum has been already and previously exhibited by Captain Stumpy, and his master puppeteer, Otto Skorzeny's ghost
that isn't what you said here (after exchanging PM's with me on PO) http://phys.org/n...ers.html

still lying, i see!
thanks for outing yourself
obama_socks
1 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
@o_you_suck
Engineering is not experimental physics.
- Piss1
Why, of course it is, Pissy. Haven't you ever heard of Research & Development aka R & D?

And yes, I do agree with your opinion that Obama sucks.

I know all about R&D, that is why I spotted your mistake, poo_brain!
- Piss1
LOL poo brain....that is as far as you will go, Pissy? Why not take on Captain Stumpy's and Otto's mindless rantings so that you will become THE BIG BRAVE MAN on Phys.org.

THERE WAS NO MISTAKE. I am the Engineer and YOU are the nut nut.
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
LOL
Stumpy Dumpy believe in its heart that R & D stands for Reading & Dealing.
Poor Stumpy refuses to understand that R & D (research & development) MEANS that EVERYTHING must be RESEARCHED FIRST as to its viability and the validity of the claims put together by theorists. You don't just BUILD a machine without researching everything that is claimed. Otherwise, the firm loses money on a failed project.
Open you mind, Stump...but not too wide that you brain falls out.
Ooops...too late.
Steve 200mph Cruiz
4.8 / 5 (9) Mar 12, 2016
Obama,
Is this how you think scientific ideas are discussed?
Do you think when some guy in the R&D department of Boeing is working on a new design for Flying Wings that will hide it from radar better, some guy stands up, "We don't have time for this theoretical physics mumbo jumbo, STEVEN HAWKING IS WRONG! WAKE UP PEOPLE!"

No you freaking idiot, I'm talking about planetary geology, nothing else, either talk about meteors, orbits, chemistry, geology or shut up. Theoretical physics has nothing to do with this mystery.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
Stumpy ...believe ... R & D stands for Reading & Dealing
@obutt-perv
and you can prove this how?
i know what R&D stands for... unlike you

did you not read the links i left for you?

you're preaching to the choir... problem is- you aint read the book first and you're making up the story as you go along to fit your delusional D-K

so...are you illiterate or do you have brain damage?
LEARN TO SCIENCE

oh... and unless you haven't realised it: i just proved you are a chronic liar AGAIN

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = pseudoscience obutt-buyer-perv
Phys1
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 12, 2016
@o_you_suck
Engineering is not experimental physics.
- Piss1
Why, of course it is, Pissy. Haven't you ever heard of Research & Development aka R & D?

And yes, I do agree with your opinion that Obama sucks.

I know all about R&D, that is why I spotted your mistake, poo_brain!
- Piss1
LOL poo brain....that is as far as you will go, Pissy? Why not take on Captain Stumpy's and Otto's mindless rantings so that you will become THE BIG BRAVE MAN on Phys.org.

THERE WAS NO MISTAKE. I am the Engineer and YOU are the nut nut.

You became engineer, if you are not making this up, because of incompetence in physics.
You never got over this, which explains your mindless aggression against physicists.
Dementia makes it worse and makes you lose decorum.
It explains the blog flashing behaviour.
Consult a doctor if you don't believe me.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2016
"The loss of decorum has been already and previously exhibited by Captain Stumpy, and his master puppeteer, Otto Skorzeny's ghost
that isn't what you said here (after exchanging PM's with me on PO) http://phys.org/n...ers.html"

The above statement by CAPTAIN STUMPY/OTTO SKORZENY'S GHOST is hysterically funny.

THIS is what Stumpy Dumpy is alluding to in that thread. It refers to Otto's sock puppet, BAKOON who is not me.

"BAKOON

1.8 / 5 (20)
Sep 24, 2013
Like I told your sockpuppet Captain Stumpy over PM: If you can post without me knowing or caring it is you, feel free. I win.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...tml#jCp"

The user name Captain Stumpy occurs only 3 times in that thread...and it is apparent the Stump thought that BAKOON was me.
Poor thought processes on your part, Stump.
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
THIS is what Stumpy Dumpy is alluding to in that thread
@obutt-sniffer
actually, what i was referring to in that thread, was your own comments... in your own words, verbatim
Fortunately for me, Ryggie, Uba, Sinister, Noumenon, , Estevan57, CaptainStumpy, antiAP and a few others in this Physorg who are pretty decent guys, when our time comes to die, each one's Soul will leave the body and be taken to a happy place to meet up with our loved ones who had passed on before
SEP 27, 2013 http://phys.org/n...ers.html

so, you talked to me via PM, decided i was NOT otto, thought i was pretty decent ... but now you chronically lie about the whole situation, post that i AM otto and then lie about your own posts which can be linked here?

schizophrenic?
or just can't keep up with your lies?
LMFAO

it was also Bakoon who thought i was YOU, moron!
still haven't learned to read!
LMFAO

obama_socks
1 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2016
Obama,
Is this how you think scientific ideas are discussed?
Do you think when some guy in the R&D department of Boeing is working on a new design for Flying Wings that will hide it from radar better, some guy stands up, "We don't have time for this theoretical physics mumbo jumbo, STEVEN HAWKING IS WRONG! WAKE UP PEOPLE!"

No you freaking idiot, I'm talking about planetary geology, nothing else, either talk about meteors, orbits, chemistry, geology or shut up. Theoretical physics has nothing to do with this mystery.
- Steve
I gave you a FIVE for you childishly angry outburst. Careful now, you will wind up being one of Otto's "friends", all of which Otto has over a barrel. Captain Stumpy is one who collects private information of commenters so that he/Otto can make use of such info for their nefarious purposes.
You have been warned.

Matter of fact, I am also on a "learning curve" wrt Ceres.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2016
THIS is what Stumpy Dumpy is alluding to in that thread
@obutt-sniffer
actually, what i was referring to in that thread, was your own comments... in your own words, verbatim
Fortunately for me, Ryggie, Uba, Sinister, Noumenon, , Estevan57, CaptainStumpy, antiAP and a few others in this Physorg who are pretty decent guys,...
SEP 27, 2013 http://phys.org/n...ers.html

so, you talked to me via PM, decided i was NOT otto, thought i was pretty decent ... but now you chronically lie about the whole situation, post that i AM otto and then lie about your own posts which can be linked here?

- Stump Dump
So I was wrong in my estimation of your qualities and mistakenly lumped you in with the good guys. So sue me.
YOUR LIES about me sending a PM to you when it was actually BAKOON who sent you a PM, says you're a liar.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2016
So I was wrong in my estimation of your qualities and mistakenly lumped you in with the good guys
@obutt-pounder
so you claim now that i've outed you as a chronic liar
so... how would you know anything about me without PM?
caught in ANOTHER lie!
LOL
So sue me
1- that's gkam
2- you ain't got nothing worth having
when it was actually BAKOON
i also talked to Bakoon, who thought i was you
and i know WHO bakoon really is, too...

repeating a lie doesn't make it true, obutthead
and so far, ive outed you on so many lies here on PO alone, why should anyone take your posts as credible?

the reason you can't remember PM'ing be is because it's hard to track your lies and remember which socks you used to lie about what

if you told the truth and simply had 1 profile, like me, you would understand that, and learn how to build credibility (by linking proof/evidence - something you are lacking in)

epic fail - AGAIN
and still can't read or comprehend basic English
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
FROM THE FINGERS OF CAPTAIN STUMP DUMP

@obuttski-D-perv

@obuttski-D-perv

@obutt-perv

@obutt-perv

obutthead

@obutt-sniffer

@obutt-pounder

And THAT's only in the last 6 posts that came out of Stump Dumpy's mindless idiocy.
It appears that there is the PROOF that Stump Dumpy has a thing for BUTTS, doubtless brought on by his latent gay attraction for men.
Woooohoooo. Stump REVEALS HIS ATTRACTION FOR MENS' BUTTS.
LMAO

That is sure to add something of positive quality to this science site.
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
It appears that there is the PROOF that Stump
@obutthead-perv
actually, it is specifically in reference to your intentional solicitation of sexual favors from me (or anyone else) on PO, found here:
You don't have a date tonight?...Are you looking to suck my d*ck?
http://phys.org/n...tic.html

by definition, this means you are attempting to use PO as a means to solicit favours, which is a "misdemeanor offense [that] can include a range of punishment from probation up to a year or two in a county or parish jail. Some court systems have been concerned about the connection between prostitution and drug use and have since created diversion courts for those individuals charged with prostitution"
[criminal-law.com]

of course, it also constitutes criminal fraud as well as a few other things...

i guess you're trying to add what you believe is "something of positive quality to this science site"... eh?
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2016
@obuttski cont'd
It appears that there is the PROOF
let me finish that for you...

It appears that there is the PROOF that obama-socks is clearly labeled and well defined by his own posts in his own words as a trolling fraudulent criminal soliciting sex
(aka- see list of labels he himself posted)

oh, and BTW
- so long as you continue to solicit as well as lie, cheat, post pseudoscience or other BS, etc

... i will continue to label you as such so that others who visit will know you on sight for what you are
Jonseer
5 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2016
It looks like a pingo.

Pingos are features of the high arctic and are the result of frozen ground repeatedly partially thawing and refreezing resulting in a high hill above otherwise flat arctic tundra.

Phys1
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 13, 2016
FROM THE FINGERS OF CAPTAIN STUMP DUMP

@obuttski-D-perv

@obuttski-D-perv

@obutt-perv

@obutt-perv

obutthead

@obutt-sniffer

@obutt-pounder

And THAT's only in the last 6 posts that came out of Stump Dumpy's mindless idiocy.
It appears that there is the PROOF that Stump Dumpy has a thing for BUTTS, doubtless brought on by his latent gay attraction for men.
Woooohoooo. Stump REVEALS HIS ATTRACTION FOR MENS' BUTTS.
LMAO

That is sure to add something of positive quality to this science site.

That is the result of you committing social suicide, o_pervert.
yep
2 / 5 (4) Mar 13, 2016
Oh sh*t there it is on Mars
@eu-nut
thanks for proving my point!

yep says: Hey there IS lightning on Ceres... and i can prove it! see this pic of Mars? (rules: 3,4,1)
The point is as the article stated
WHICH article? yours? cd's? Mine?
are you drunk, illiterate or stupid?

FOCUS! because:
1- that
2- you
3- MY
4- my
5- just because


Captain my point is from the article I posted we have known since 1961 electrical discharges may likely play an important part in effecting our moons surface. Since that time as the other articles I posted stated we have found electrical discharge on several other bodies in space, my conjecture based on the evidence is yes maybe Ceres has it as well. Not there is! You are wanting me to play your stupid reindeer games!! I would rather you think about the implications of the scientific evidence.
Some of you are more rightious then the holy rollers, but your egos are to big to notice!
cantdrive85
1 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2016
It looks like a pingo.

Pingos are features of the high arctic and are the result of frozen ground repeatedly partially thawing and refreezing resulting in a high hill above otherwise flat arctic tundra.

Couple problems with that,
First- doesn't look much like a pingo at all;
https://en.wikipe..._Tuk.jpg
No flat top, lack of "grooves" down the sides, no water, etc....
Given the evidence in the linked video, EDM is still the only plausible/rational explanation.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2016

"@obuttski-D-perv

@obuttski-D-perv

@obutt-perv

@obutt-perv

obutthead

@obutt-sniffer

@obutt-pounder"

He is right about Stumpy.

Nobody deserves the self-righteous nastiness of Stumpy and his Wiki, with no experience. If it ain't in Wiki, you are a liar, he screams. Of course, being on the Public Dole, he has the time to do it, doesn't he?
Estevan57
4 / 5 (8) Mar 13, 2016
gkam - You get an AF pension and Social Security, how is that not on the "Public Dole"?

Your levels of "self-righteous nastiness" seem to be excessive. Take the meds now.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.3 / 5 (7) Mar 13, 2016
Nobody deserves the self-righteous nastiness of Stumpy and his Wiki, with no experience
-As opposed to george kamburoff whose experience has taught him that dirty molten Pu in fukushima reactors can be forced to prompt criticality by H2 explosions, but which dont leave craters because they were airbursts.

You dont learn bullshit like that, you make it up. And you expect people to believe it because youre most likely a psychopath.

This is really what your experience has taught you.
it ain't in Wiki, you are a liar, he screams
But george kamburoff calls the CDC and the National Cancer Institute wiki when they prove him wrong. More evidence that he is a lying cheating psychopath.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2016


And THAT's only in the last 6 posts that came out of Stump Dumpy's mindless idiocy.
It appears that there is the PROOF that Stump Dumpy has a thing for BUTTS
He's just trying to reach you on your own level.

Remember this post of yours?
Hey Blotto, how's your mama's pussy. I hear you've been giving her a good lickin and she still keeps on tickin, aye? Here puss puss." , you filthy lying piece of shiit... your desperate, evil little man.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 13, 2016
gkam - You get an AF pension and Social Security, how is that not on the "Public Dole"?
______________________________

No "Air Force pensions" for those of us in only four years. And I paid into Social Security just a few months shy of 50 years before I started taking it back out.

What did you do? And why are you so nasty?
Phys1
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2016
@GOO
In the same blog I read that o_pervert wrote
Do you and old Ritchie still sucksuck together in your favorite motel he told us about? Or did you stick a knife in him so he would shut up about you sucking him off like 2 good gays?

Hey, RC, care to defend the pig ?
Anyone care tho side with this piece of filth?
No? Then lets all ignore him from this moment on.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 14, 2016
my point is ...electrical discharges may ... surface
@yep
then why didn't you just say that
my conjecture... is yes maybe Ceres has it...Not there is
and this i can agree with as well
this is not at all against any of the MS evidence either

... but neither does it state, as cd has in the past, that moon craters were formed thus, and not by impacts we actually have observed and measured
You are wanting me to play your stupid reindeer games!!
need i remind you that it was YOU who started the games? you posted
Really Captain you are saying lightning is only possibly on earth?
it wasn't what i said, and you just wanted to fight about something
that is r-games, and stupid to boot, because you based your argument on a blatant lie, then ran with it
... think about the implications of the scientific evidence
i do
http://www.intern...10371174

gkam
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 14, 2016
Don't argue with the Stumpy-Troll, report him.

Nobody with any character repeatedly calls others with whom he disagrees "Liars".
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 14, 2016
Nobody with any character repeatedly calls others with whom he disagrees "Liars"
@beni-kam
i only call it a lie if it can be proven to be a lie... you know, like your "ThZ" argument here: http://phys.org/n...ess.html

or your claim to have listened to the sinking of the Scorpion "live" on AFN here: http://phys.org/n...ich.html

if you read the above discussion between Yep and i, you will see that he lied about content

or is that too hard for you to do?

Thanks for the daily threat... i was beginning to think i lost another groupie!
LMFAO
gkam
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 14, 2016
You are quick to call others "liar", but who are you?

Why do you hide, cower, behind a pseudonym? Of what are you SCARED?

Let's stop the silly personal stuff, Stumpy, just get that thing out of your craw.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (4) Mar 14, 2016
call others "liar"
didn't call you one
I proved you were one

BIG DIFFERENCE
Why do you hide, cower, behind a pseudonym? Of what are you SCARED?
so, you want to attack because you were outed as a liar?
LOL

and you want to now call it quits on the "personal stuff" and "character assassination"
so, in your mind, it is logical to lead off your quest with "personal stuff" and "character assassination"
which you are trying to get everyone to stop because it is wrong

so... when are you gonna stop?

.

and when is your lawyer gonna contact me?

(look... this is tiresome because you have never been able to actually produce evidence of any of your claims... so... to make this short and cut the OT whine/crybaby crap from you...

just consider all further downvotes from me as being the same as argument and go ahead and make BOTH sides of it, since you aren't listening to any other side but your own anyway
THANKS)
Tuxford
5 / 5 (2) Mar 14, 2016
I agree with Tuxford,
Mysterious glowing material is crucial for any self respecting alien civilization, and Ceres is the only place with it

Perhaps NASA needs to focus on another Mission to Ceres, with a lander and sampler! We need some of that Ceres glow.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (4) Mar 14, 2016
Perhaps NASA needs to focus on another Mission to Ceres, with a lander and sampler! We need some of that Ceres glow.
@Tuxford

this i can agree with!
I would love to see more results from a rover/lander on Ceres similar to Curiosity

that would be fascinating as well as helpful

would also like to see one on Europa too...
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 14, 2016
Jesus.

"Ceres Polar Lander (CPL) is a proposed lander mission to Ceres that may probe life. It could prepare in parallel the next step beyond the upcoming Europa Jupiter System Mission and Titan Saturn System Mission. This idea is to build a low-cost mission using reliable existing technology to complement other larger missions.
It will take about four years to reach Ceres, assuming a launch by a Soyuz rocket.
A manned mission to Ceres has also been designed."
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (4) Mar 14, 2016
"Ceres Polar Lander (CPL) is a proposed lander mission to Ceres
i would like to see it and the results before i go all Norwegian Blue

http://www.space....ife.html
Tuxford
1 / 5 (1) Mar 15, 2016
Perhaps NASA needs to focus on another Mission to Ceres, with a lander and sampler! We need some of that Ceres glow.
@Tuxford

this i can agree with!
I would love to see more results from a rover/lander on Ceres similar to Curiosity

that would be fascinating as well as helpful

would also like to see one on Europa too...

Perhaps we will find some Dilithium crystals in that glowing material, and we can finally power up the warp drive! Seems like NASA's boss, the DoD, will be all over this soon. Expect a mission.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 18, 2016
It certainly does look like an open pit mine with a spoil tip/culm pile next to it. For a crater it doesn't have much of a rim although I suppose with low gravity most ejecta would scatter.
Tuxford
1 / 5 (1) Mar 20, 2016
It certainly does look like an open pit mine with a spoil tip/culm pile next to it. For a crater it doesn't have much of a rim although I suppose with low gravity most ejecta would scatter.


What we are witnessing is inadvertent disclosure of what NASA has known since Apollo: the alien presence. NASA was all keen on public interest leading up to Dawn's encounter with Ceres. Then, when the unexpected was found, without any conventional explanation available, suddenly the topic must now be addressed. So largely silence has ensued, with a few morsels dribbled out slowly to bring the public disclosure out very slowly. After all, six decades of gov't propaganda and outright lying is a bit embarrassing for the current powers in charge, and very hard to explain.
Tuxford
1 / 5 (1) Apr 13, 2016
... Note there are impact craters in the basin of the large crater, however the mountain slopes and the crater walls are scar free....even though they appear similar in area to the basin...


Indeed. Note that there are some impacts on the sloped side of the mountain where talus has largely covered the slope. However, the bare sculpted sides appear largely impact free. Could this indicate that the process of mining somehow changed these sculpted surfaces into an extremely hardened layer, one that helped support the movement of the mountain wholly intact?

New materials shatter bullets. So why not consider an advanced alien race doing the same with dirt somehow? If they can dig and move a mountain, maybe hardening the surface layer is easy?

http://www.huffin...78510690

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