Terrorism may make liberals think like conservatives

Terrorism may make liberals think like conservatives

Liberals' attitudes toward Muslims and immigrants became more like those of conservatives following the July 7, 2005 bombings in London, new research shows. Data from two nationally representative surveys of British citizens revealed that feelings of national loyalty increased and endorsement of equality decreased among political liberals following the terrorist attack.

The findings are published in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.

Terrorist attacks on major international capital cities such as Paris, Ankara, or London are rare and dramatic events that undoubtedly shape public and political opinion. But whose attitudes do they affect most, and in what way?

"Our findings show that terrorism shifts public attitudes towards greater loyalty to the in-group, less concern with fairness, and greater prejudice against Muslims and immigrants, but it seems that this effect is stronger on those who are politically left-leaning than those who are right-leaning," explain psychological scientists from the Center for the Study of Group Processes at the University of Kent.

"The overall impact is to create a climate in which it may be harder to promote or sustain intergroup tolerance, inclusiveness and trust," says Julie Van de Vyver of the University of Kent, one of the authors on the study.

Research from has shown that people often adopt ideological belief systems that reduce their feelings of threat. Based on these findings, the research team hypothesized that the bombings would cause to shift moral perspectives in favor of protecting the in-group, akin to the values typically reported by political conservatives. They speculated that this shift would ultimately lead to an increase in prejudice toward the out-group among liberals.

Historic survey evidence gathered by two of the study authors, Diane Houston and Dominic Abrams, provided the research team with real-world insight. The researchers analyzed newly available data from two nationally representative surveys, administered about 6 weeks before and 1 month after the July 7, 2005 bombings in London. The bombings, which occurred on public transport, led to the deaths of 52 people and injury of 770 people. The bombings were part of an Al Qaeda attack carried out by three British-born Muslims from immigrant families and one Jamaican convert to Islam.

In the two surveys, participants rated their agreement with statements that represented four moral foundations: in-group loyalty (i.e., "I feel loyal to Britain despite any faults it may have"), authority-respect (i.e., "I think people should follow rules at all times, even when no one is watching"), harm-care (i.e., "I want everyone to be treated justly, even people I do not know. It is important to me to protect the weak in society), and fairness-reciprocity (i.e., "There should be equality for all groups in Britain").

Participants also rated their agreement with statements about attitudes toward Muslims (e.g., "Britain would lose its identity if more Muslims came to live in Britain") and immigrants (e.g., "Government spends too much money assisting immigrants").

As expected, attitudes towards Muslims and toward immigrants were more negative following the attacks than before, but only among liberals; conservatives' views stayed relatively constant. Thus, liberals' attitudes seemed to shift toward those of conservatives following the .

This increased prejudice was accounted for by changes in liberals' moral foundations. Specifically, liberals showed an increase in in-group loyalty and a decrease in fairness, and these shifts accounted for their negative attitudes toward Muslims and immigrants.

The results show that people's moral perspectives aren't necessarily constant - they can change according to the immediate context.

"An important challenge following dramatic is to know how to engage with public perceptions and attitudes, for example to prevent an upsurge in prejudice and its effects," says Abrams.

"For people working to tackle prejudice, it is important to be aware that terror events may have different effects on the attitudes of people who start from different political orientations," the researchers write.

Based on these findings, the researchers argue that terrorist attacks may ultimately lead conservatives to consolidate their existing priorities, making them resistant to change; at the same time, such attacks may prompt a shift in liberals' priorities toward more prejudiced attitudes.

This shift in may be reflected in the UK parliament's recent decision, following the November attacks in Paris, to approve bombing missions in Syria—a reversal of its decision in 2013. The researchers note that the greatest change in voting occurred among Labour Members of Parliament, who fall on the left end of the political spectrum; they showed a 20% increase in support for the bombing missions from 2013 to 2015.


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Dec 17, 2015
Then they really wouldn't be 'liberals' any more, would they?
I mean, what makes a person a liberal or a conservative, is their views.
If their views shift, that's them shifting towards another perspective. I've known people who once described themselves as being socially conservative, raised in a religious environment, in the so-called 'bible belt'. Later they become atheist, and as a result (which often tends to happen to ex-theists), they find themselves over time, drifting towards adopting liberal values, like same-sex equality, gender equality, they become in favor towards reproductive rights, stem cell research, the environment, and so on.
I think it's fair to say that they're no longer social conservatives at all. Now they're somewhere along the liberal spectrum.
Likewise with those who're scared towards the right-wing conservative perspective, after a terrorist attack.

Dec 17, 2015
Liberals tend to get forced into rationality,..... whether it's on account of immediate national defense requirements or emergency economic austerity,.... because their core ideology is one more of recreational-thought in that it is of "emotionally, what should be" rather than "practically, what actually is".

For a liberal, emotionally satisfying political-correctness, trumps practical forethought, and this is irresponsible.

I think it's fair to say that they're no longer social conservatives at all. Now they're somewhere along the liberal spectrum.

- Incorrect. They would be libertarians. Libertarians would never associate themselves as liberals.


Dec 17, 2015
I've known people who once described themselves as being socially conservative, raised in a religious environment, in the so-called 'bible belt'. Later they become atheist, and as a result (which often tends to happen to ex-theists), they find themselves over time, drifting towards adopting liberal values,


It is inaccurate to conflate religion and political spectrum. There are as many religious republicans as there are religious democrats.

Liberals do a better job in keeping their political ideology self-contained, whereas conservatives tend to cite religious foundation as a basis for motivating their political ideology, though, ...but the point is that political spectrum has little in itself to do with religious beliefs or non-religius beliefs.

There are likely as many atheist/agnostic liberals as there are atheist/agnostic libertarians, for example,.... with the bulk of democrats and republicans holding a religious view.


Dec 17, 2015
The US was once known as "the great melting pot". People would immigrate, learn the language, accept the culture and everyone would work towards a common goal.

Today liberal ideology has taken root and each culture is encouraged to remain separate. People are no longer united by a common culture and language. Please show me just one instance in history where a nation was not torn apart by civil war when different cultures failed to mesh into one.

Some want to enter the US today in order to destroy our culture and replace it with their own. This can only lead to civil conflict.

Dec 17, 2015
Exactly correct MR166, and is precisely why western Europe is having such a cultural crisis with a completely different culture invading. There is nothing wrong with regulating immigration in order to maintain a cultural identity.

The liberal mind is a perpetually confusing one in conflating everything with invented PC "racism". Liberals also tend to be paralyzed into inaction by their own self-inflicted political-correctness, even when it comes to identifying the enemy or in austerity, despite being patently obvious to everyone,.... as if everyone is obliged to pretend that terrorists are not muslim.

Idiots like Obama would rather trust unverifiable Syrians to immigrate into the USA, than trust law abiding US citizens with the right to own a gun to protect their family. This is one who is delusional by being intoxicated by political-correctness.



Dec 17, 2015
Liberal party thugs always acted like corporatists, toward corporatists. Hate filled, inconsiderate, cobbling specious "arguments" not to find the truth but to "prove" their prejudices. Note their behavior in blogs ion topics like accepting the presence of God, trying to prevent universal addiction, admitting homosexuality is a mental disease. Abortion by craven whim, remember, is a woman saying to her fetus, "I put you there, it's not your fault, but you're going to be an inconvenience, and since I treasure my convenience more than others' lives, and I'm bigger and stronger than you, I'm going to have you killed". The typical corporatist attitude toward employees. The New World Order is fabricating "terrorism" to turn witless Liberal party goons into corporatist types.

Dec 17, 2015
This world conflict did not happen by accident, through ignorance or by poor decisions. It is all part of the master plan to create chaos and have the people of the world begging to have their freedoms curtailed in return for safety. The 1% are waiting in the wings to head the One World Government which they are trying to create.

Dec 17, 2015
This proves that FEAR, makes conservatives. They are SCARED of everything, especially for their "things". Note: Do NOT seem to take anything belonging to SCARED conservatives unless you want to get killed.

I was very disappointed to see on this forum some self-described liberal folk acting just like conservatives. Hate can replace fear for some folk, and that makes them act like SCARED conservatives.

Notice how the base fears are the ones which drive conservatives. Brain-stem stuff. They operate in the Id.

Dec 17, 2015
I see Gkam. There should be no borders and unlimited immigration. There is no need for the CIA or NSA. As soon as one steps on US soil one should be entitled to all protections and public benefits. If we just tax the rich properly there will be more than enough money available fund all the needed programs.

I suppose that the only reason that you lock your home when you leave it is to protect your belongings from greedy conservatives.

Dec 17, 2015
All this study says, is that a threat makes people more paranoid. Some are already paranoid before the threat. Paranoia, fear, scared, pessimistic, all words for the same mental state. Some people are born scared/fearful/paranoid/pessimist, some get that way by their life experience, and some maintain a healthier outlook in spite of experiences, news reports, etc.....
Nothing I didn't already know. Nothing a casual observer of postings by the readership of this site or a myriad of many other out there wouldn't figure out is a half an hour or less.

Dec 17, 2015
"Hate can replace fear for some folk" - Hate almost invariably follows fear. The threat causes the paranoia/fear/pessimism, which then manifests itself as hate/bigotry/suspicion. It's an emotional or gut reaction, not a logical or thoughtful one. A fearful person needs resolution, since the fearful state is a very uncomfortable state. Frequently the choice is anger and hate. As mentioned above, this happens at the gut level or lower.

Dec 17, 2015
I just love the liberal mind. They are willing ban almost anything ( except drugs ) due to inflated figures about potential deaths. Yet when it is proposed to ban immigration to a group of people that have a high incidence of terrorists among them it is considered "Paranoid".

Dec 17, 2015
"WMD!"

"Mushroom clouds!"

"Bring 'em on!"

How many innocent civilians died in the Bush Republican Wars?

Dec 17, 2015
If fact the liberals in the US will welcome the next terrorist attack just as long as it is accomplished by using a device that they could ban. Firearms would be ideal, progressive high fives to all.

Dec 17, 2015
"How many innocent civilians died in the Bush Republican Wars?"

Moron, when will you realize that both Bush's and Obama are both on the same side with the same goals of a One World Government.

Remember Bush #1s statement of "This is the start of a new world order."

They just love it when a plan comes together.

Dec 17, 2015
I guess I forgot to add "conspiracy theorists" along with the other words that identify a disturbed mental state......MR166, you might want to tweak that wire coat hanger on he left side of your tin foil hat........make it look like a "T", for Trump......

Dec 17, 2015
What was the first thing out of the progressives mouths after the San Bernardino terrorist attack? Was it "We have to do a better job of screening immigrants."or was it "We need to ban guns."?

Her Facebook page pledged allegiance to ISIS and she was still let into the country!!!!!!

Dec 17, 2015
The incompetence of a PC administration,... can't even find terrorists on facebook openly sympathizing with ISIS,.... but we're to believe they can vet immigrants coming from Syria, home of ISIS !?!

Dec 17, 2015
their core ideology is one more of recreational-thought in that it is of "emotionally, what should be" rather than "practically, what actually is".

For a liberal, emotionally satisfying political-correctness, trumps practical forethought, and this is irresponsible.

You must not be familiar with American Thinker. It's click bait heaven for paranoid libertarians.
http://www.americ...ker.com/

Dec 17, 2015
@Neu

"Emotionally" you have a fragile ego. Perhaps you would like to explain your down rating of a few minutes ago.

http://phys.org/n...ion.html

Dec 17, 2015
Considering there's no discernible thought difference in conservatives and terrorists, the premise is dubious.

Terrorism does not make liberals :
A.) Want to exterminate black people.
B.) Want to nuke the brown earth for white supremacy.
C.) Want to kill for their death God.
D.) Want to exterminate gay people.
E.) Want universal slavery of women.
F.) Want universal poverty for all Americans not one of six families.

Show me a liberal that adopted these core conservative values because of terrorism.

Dec 17, 2015
This would imply that a common basis for conservatism is fear.

Dec 17, 2015
For a liberal to think like a conservative, he would first need to learn to think.

Dec 17, 2015
SuperThunder unfortunately your pure hatred of conservatives and conservative values belies your alleged support of peace and love.

Your hate speech is as vile as any I have heard from either side.

Dec 17, 2015
Liberals tend to get forced into rationality,... because their core ideology is one more of recreational-thought in that it is of "emotionally, what should be" rather than "practically, what actually is". -Noum

The rational thing to do would be to perform a risk assessment. "You are 35,079 times more likely to die from heart disease... 33,842 times more likely to die from cancer ... obesity 5,882 to times 23,528 more likely to kill you ... you are 5,882 times more likely to die from medical error ...4,706 times more likely to drink yourself to death ...you're 2,059 times more likely to kill yourself than die at the hand of a terrorist." http://www.global.../5382818 So that is "what actually is." It is clear that you are the irrational fearmonger, Noumenon.

Dec 17, 2015
Yea Barakn, the Boston Bombing just does not matter when you consider how many people die from car accidents. It's the same for the WTC bombing, not a big deal right? What possible harm could could a few thousand more terrorists do?

You will know the answer to that when Europe is brought to it's knees by the terrorists they invited into their lands.

Dec 17, 2015
What the article misses is that regardless of which wing of a politics, everyone agrees with some welfare, some nationalism, some law and order, some government oversight and so on.

Under normal, non-partisan thinking, as in one's daily activities, we respond to these attitudes **contextually**. On a country's national day everyone is filled with national pride. After a hurricane or flood the average person not only agrees with the government providing welfare to the victims but may even donate straight out of their own pockets to the newly impoverished.

What distinguishes left and right wing, nationalist, anarchist and other positions is their default position ie where they stand in the absence of any actual or substantial need. These are a person's 'default' settings or 'default biases' .

In the case of the London event, a ponderable need for a nationalist response draws a willing compliance across the general population. Have default positions actually changed?

Dec 17, 2015
Not everyone in the U.S. agrees with "some welfare" and as a Presidential candidate Ron Paul
argued disaster relief should be local and voluntary.

Dec 17, 2015
MR166, consider your retort, full of rhetoric and hyperbole. It's a perfect demonstration of the irrationality this subject engenders in you.

Dec 18, 2015
Yea Barkn I'm paranoid for worrying about the 1000s of deaths and 10s of K potential deaths caused by terror in my country. Yet the progressives all rally around the Black Lives Matter movement and the very few deaths that were actually due to police malfeasance.

Dec 18, 2015
You see in the progressive mind some deaths are more important than others. The ones that promote their agenda count and the others don't as proven by you very first post on this thread.

Dec 18, 2015
As far as welfare goes, nothing creates more poverty than welfare. In an attempt to save the children we have created a ghetto society that is much more dangerous today than ever before. The system is biased to exclude any wage earners from the family unit.

Of course government workers love the system because it is their livelihood. There is a lot of money in the poverty business. Thus, there is no incentive to actually reduce poverty.

Dec 18, 2015
Gosh, 166 must be right. Concentrating all the power and wealth in a few hands lets them hand it out fairly, like they did in Feudalistic times and with governments of Fascists and dictators. They will take care of us.

Dec 18, 2015
Gkam you are old enough to remember the poor neighborhoods of the 50s, 60s and 70s. They were not nearly as dangerous as poor neighborhoods today. Gang shootings are so common today as not to be even news worthy. People go to social gatherings like weddings and birthday parties and murder each other on a regular basis.

Blame that no the rich, I dare you.

Dec 18, 2015
And don't even try to blame availability of guns for the problem. In the 50s guns were just as common. Most road signs had bullet holes in them from reckless gun owners yet there were very few actual shootings. It's society that has changed and the value of life has been seriously compromised.

Dec 18, 2015
How many folk without guns shoot up road signs?

How many folk without guns mass-murder children in the United States?

How many folks without guns mass-murder theater-goers?

Dec 18, 2015
When You create a society of deranged people they will always find a way to murder people on a large scale. Be it guns, bombs, fire or automobiles, they will find a way.

Most of the mass killings were performed by young people who had serious mental problems. They were being treated by prescription drugs who's side effects included suicide. We need to have a viable plan to help these people if we want to reduce mass killings.

We need to have a viable plan for treating mental illness if we want to end the slaughter.

Dec 18, 2015
How many folk without guns shoot up road signs?

How many folk without guns mass-murder children in the United States?

How many folks without guns mass-murder theater-goers?


How many folks without guns got slapped around this week? (glam-Skippy don't count, he'd get slapped around even if he had a gun.)

Dec 18, 2015
Gkam guns are a threat! In fact they are the biggest threat to the all powerful totalitarian government that you desire.

Dec 18, 2015
Big conservative mouths bleat about Big Government, as they impose the Bush Police State on us. Remember when we really were safe? Remember when we had no frisk and shoeless lines in airports?

Look up "Blowback from the Afghan Battlefield", and check the date. He is talking about Reagan and Casey, and how they would set up the beginnings of terror and eventually create the Taliban and ISIS.

Dec 18, 2015
Ira votes my post down, like most hard-line conservatives.

Dec 18, 2015
Does 166 really think his pop-gun is going to stop the Big Brother put upon us by SCARED conservatives?

Ask the"Freemen". In fact, you may be able to buy their guns, since they cannot use them in prison.

Dec 18, 2015
"Look up "Blowback from the Afghan Battlefield", and check the date. He is talking about Reagan and Casey, and how they would set up the beginnings of terror and eventually create the Taliban and ISIS."

I just love progressive history. What they cannot rewrite they edit with selective dates.

If you really want to blame someone for the ME problems today you have to go back to the FDR and Truman era when the West decided to carve up the ME and create random nations from the parts.

Dec 18, 2015
@MR166

I'm not surprised you don't history. The map of the current ME, minus Israel, was created by the French and British at the end of WW1.

Dec 18, 2015
Plus that Gkam, Iraq and the Middle East were fairly stable when Obama took office and Iraq was more than 50% on it's way to forming a stable government. Then he withdrew the troops leaving a huge vacuum. He was instrumental in deposing the governments of Libya and Egypt. He also funded ISIS with money and weapons in the hope of deposing Assad and continues to indiscriminately supply weapons to unknown factions in the HOPE that they will depose him.

He is responsible for at least 70% of the problems we have today.

The only thing more dangerous than being and enemy of the US is being a friend of the US!

Dec 18, 2015
I actually respect Putin more than I respect Obama. Putin puts the best interests of Russia first, respects his allies and does not sell them out for minor political gains.

Dec 18, 2015
"I'm not surprised you don't history. The map of the current ME, minus Israel, was created by the French and British at the end of WW1."

OK Vet I will concede that I do not know history that well and failed to look up all the facts. That being said, it still does not change the fact that the problem cannot be laid at the feet of one party only.

Dec 18, 2015
Ira votes my post down because I can't do much more than bumper sticker slogans and usually end up having to try to walk back some silly thing I blurted


Well what you know about that? I think glam-Skippy is starting to catch on.

Dec 18, 2015
How many folk without guns mass-murder children in the United States?
How many folks without guns mass-murder theater-goers?
@g
idiot
ALL criminals will!
because, by definition, a criminal will not obey the "law", or don't you get that? [hyperbole]
Remember when we really were safe? Remember when we had no frisk and shoeless lines in airports?
so, you are saying there were no crimes or terrorism during the 80's???? or are you saying the 70's? 60's?
ROTFLMFAO
you are delusional

Dec 18, 2015
What really makes me wonder about the sanity of the people wanting to overthrow Assad is their reasoning. We must remove him because he is a brutal dictator who is killing 100. of thousands of people. Wait just one darn minute. Isn't that one of the exact same reasons why we wanted to depose Saddam? Weren't these same exact people who opposed to the invasion of Iraq?


Dec 18, 2015
Oh as far as our friends go, what ever happened to the doctor that helped the US capture Bin Laden? Oh he is still rotting in a Pakistani jail! 33 years worth of torture for helping the US.

We give Pakistan billions, don't you think that we could get him into this country with that type of leverage? We could if we were not aligned with the terrorists.


Dec 18, 2015
SuperThunder unfortunately your pure hatred of conservatives and conservative values belies your alleged support of peace and love.

Your hate speech is as vile as any I have heard from either side.

Whoa, that's awkward, you just agreed with me that conservative values are genocide, slavery, and oligarchy, then you said being against those things is vile.

I wont touch that shit.

No way.

You spoke for yourself right there. Yeeeesh.

Dec 19, 2015
Here you go:

"Republicans are so bullish on war that 30% would bomb a fictional country"

http://www.thegua...-country

These SCARED conservatives will wind up killing us all.


Dec 19, 2015
How many folk without guns shoot up road signs?

How many folk without guns mass-murder children in the United States?

How many folks without guns mass-murder theater-goers?

Fear of inanimate objects lead to irrational thinking.

Dec 19, 2015
It is the goober who "needs" that inanimate object to commit a crime based on greed or fear which we need to keep away from guns. How many cowardly gun nuts would mass-murder others if they had no guns?

Dec 19, 2015
Tired of goobers having their gun-tantrums? Sick of cowardly killers?

Let's get some strict gun laws, and take these killing devices away from the kooks.

Dec 19, 2015
More people die each year from mistakes/complications of medical procedure/diagnosis than from guns in our country. We should ban doctors and hospitals.

Dec 19, 2015
"Republicans are so bullish on war that 30% would bomb a fictional country"

http://www.thegua...-country

These SCARED conservatives will wind up killing us all."

Yet in less than 60 minutes 60 of our best progressives at Yale were willing to sign a petition to repeal the 1st. amendment. They are afraid of free speech just in case they do not happen to agree with what is being said. How sad for America!

Dec 19, 2015
"More people die each year from mistakes/complications of medical procedure/diagnosis than from guns in our country. We should ban doctors and hospitals."

Conservative logic. (above)

Dec 19, 2015
@gkam Notice how the base fears are the ones which drive conservatives. Brain-stem stuff. They operate in the Id.
More basic is their reaction to organic odors such as fermentation. Conserves are hard-wired to be hard

Dec 19, 2015
"Terrorist" was originally a term used to describe the government officials who created and executed oppressive tactics under the guise of keeping people safe from their enemies. It originated from the French Reign of Terror, or often simply 'the Terror'.

The USA spends trillions of dollars to fight a War on Terror that made the world less safe and Americans less free, all to protect them from a threat that has a statistical likelihood of 0.0%.

Dec 19, 2015
I just cannot understand the obsession progressives have with opening US borders to any and everyone. There are 194 other countries in the world that all have border restrictions. Why not concentrate on them?

Oh, is it that fact that the US is standing in the way of the Utopian One World Government Dream and that destroying the US culture is the only sure way to attain that goal?

Dec 19, 2015
Let's get some strict gun laws, and take these killing devices away from the kooks
@g
yeah, because it worked so well in places like chicago, dc, and l.a.
... in fact, you can drive through all the gang-banger territory in l.a. and see how they all just immediately gave up their guns when they found out it was illegal for them to own guns (regardless of their felonious history) and likely they're hard at work trying to earn cash to pay the additional ammunition tax too, right?
[hyperbole/satire/sarcasm]

https://www.youtu...rTZPXCDo

https://www.youtu...t7j2tUec

Dec 20, 2015
"I just cannot understand the obsession progressives have with opening US borders to any and everyone."
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And we cannot understand why conservatives are SO SCARED. They are SCARED of poor people. Scared of foreigners. They are SCARED of losing money. SCARED of paying taxes, TERRIFIED of having to pay their way, having to serve, being good citizens if it costs them anything.

Dec 20, 2015
...and see how they all just immediately gave up their guns when they found out it was illegal for them to own guns
Wait, someone enacted a law that circumvents the 2nd amendment? How does that work? Don't tell the liberals.

Dec 20, 2015
...and see how they all just immediately gave up their guns when they found out it was illegal for them to own guns
Wait, someone enacted a law that circumvents the 2nd amendment? How does that work? Don't tell the liberals.
@proto
no... not that circumvents it

it is illegal for a felon to own a weapon with a trigger (they can own bows or knives, just not a crossbow or a trigger release for a compound/re-curve) or hang with weapon owners

considering it is a rite of passage for gangbangers to serve in jail or commit felonies... and they're still heavily armed, regardless of the laws forbidding them to be armed (etc)

this is the biggest problem of "gun control" (now aka "gun safety") that gkam so fervently supports... somehow he thinks that if all the guns are made illegal, then only cops will have guns

Dec 20, 2015
No, I think if we reduce significantly the number of guns in this country, we will be safer and have fewer killings, whether by accident, curiosity, anger, or greed, or whatever the reason is for killing.

Guns do not make you safer, they make everybody less safe. Perhaps I should list the daily accounts of gun goobers shooting themselves or their wives, or their co-workers, or their kids, playing with their precious guns.

Dec 20, 2015
I think if we reduce significantly the number of guns in this country, we will be safer and have fewer killings, whether by accident, curiosity, anger, or greed, or whatever the reason is for killing
@gkam
you mean like they did in california, chicago, dc and nyc??
wow... worked great for them: https://www.youtu...rTZPXCDo

point is: making laws against guns only makes it harder for LAW ABIDING citizens to have guns... not criminals
case in point: the felons in gangs in LA (or any above city mentioned where gun laws are the MOST restrictive or even outlawed)
Guns do not make you safer, they make everybody less safe blah blah whine cry
fear based logical fallacy based upon your OPINION, not upon evidence

this is your OPINION, g... not a fact
if it were fact, LA (et al above) would be the safest places on the planet

Dec 20, 2015

I am glad I am not that scared.

Dec 20, 2015

I am glad I am not that scared.

i'm not scared at all...

you are terrified of letting anyone else be in control of anything that you don't agree with, however
this is obvious by your rants against guns and the military

were you not so terrified of guns, you would be apathetic to gun ownership and SUPPORTIVE of the second amendment (which you were supposedly sworn to protect)

Dec 20, 2015
Every right comes with a duty. My rights under the Sixth Amendment come with the duty to not prevent others from having that right. I live in a stand your ground state where the Second Amendment is expressed by my legal capacity to gun down an unarmed person in defense of my property (the law states that if it is on my land it wont even be investigated, I'd have to do it in public for that and yes this has been tested and found to be the way of the land). What is my duty under the Second Amendment in that case? Is it to deny them their Sixth Amendment rights in defense of my property? The Second Amendment has no duty beyond denying other citizens their other rights. Yes, I will now endure stories about heroes guarding children against meth raging gang bangers, but that never happens in a school and I will not abide moon-howling over guns. It's a part of the Constitution that is irrationally enacted and needs to be addressed. Rights and duties cannot contradict one another.

Dec 20, 2015
But of course, you can't disarm a populace that knows how to build every weapon ever made from the first volcano forged sword to the atomic bomb in their garage using tools purchasable everywhere. Weapons and raging dumb are permanently bonded in the USA. I have no solution, I don't think there is one that wont involve an alien invasion or civil war, but it will get worse, and it will be because the violently stupid have easy access to guns. Education isn't a Constitutional right, and there is no duty to provide it.

Dec 20, 2015
Hell, I can even be optimistic about it and say that the right to bear arms is the only right the USA extends to all the peoples' of the Earth. That is an amazing thing, really, and a precedent that's useful.

Dec 20, 2015
I just cannot understand the obsession progressives have with opening US borders to any and everyone.
It's a simple thing called freedom – free markets, free trade, tourism, cultural diversity, that kind of thing. When it comes to freedom, I'm liberally conservative. Or maybe conservatively progressive, hard to tell with all the bovine defecation that passes for discourse. Humanity has better things to do than cower in isolation under martial law. We'll weed out the primitive knuckle-dragging crazy human killers. Because killing is against the law inside every border on the planet.

Dec 20, 2015
Every right comes with a duty.


That's a nice bumper sticker slogan. It might even be moral trut. But the 2nd Amendment does not address an individual's duties. Neither does the rest of the Constitution. So unless you amend the Constitution, you got nothing. Instead of crying out for unconstitutional laws, why not spend your time crying out to change the Constitution first? Because until you do that, it's all moon-howling about getting rid of guns.

Yes, I will now endure stories about heroes guarding children against meth raging gang bangers, but that never happens in a school


I will not make you endure Cher. But You have to endure me asking why you think banning guns is going to make it go away? How well has banning meth worked, eh?

and I will not abide moon-howling over guns.


I am afraid you are wrong again Cher. You got to abide it and endure it. Because before you can get to the 2nd Amendment, you got to endure and abide the 1st Amendment.

Dec 20, 2015
Education isn't a Constitutional right, and there is no duty to provide it.


Skippy you are on a roll with your speechifying. Why you don't ask Google-Skippy about that before you blurt out some profound truts? Education is a right. And the government has a duty to provide it up to high school. Yeah, it's in the Constitution.

There is nothing in the Constitution that forces peoples to take advantage of it. And there is no duty to partake of the governments duty to provide it, if that is what you were "howling" about.

Don't believe me, I am just a dumb coonass. Google-Skippy can help you out if you ask him nice.

Dec 20, 2015
That's a nice bumper sticker slogan.

No, it's Western civilization's cornerstone, and I'm sorry it's such a useless concept to you.
Then you accuse me of a bunch of shit I never said, followed by...
why you think banning guns is going to make it go away? How well has banning meth worked, eh?

And now I feel really fucking sad, because I explicitly say banning wouldn't work

Instead of crying out for unconstitutional laws, why not spend your time crying out to change the Constitution first?

I said as much.
Because until you do that, it's all moon-howling about getting rid of guns.

Again, I said no such thing.

I don't know how to respond to an otherwise rational person who just attacked me with the same rhetoric used by climate change deniers. I have no problem being wrong, but you didn't offer me any kind of rational response. You didn't correct me, you didn't offer me anything except insults. You didn't even read what I said. It sucks. It hurts.

Dec 20, 2015
You didn't correct me, you didn't offer me anything except insults.


Well let's see about that, okayeei?

Every right comes with a duty.


I read him good because I corrected you with,,,

It might even be moral trut. But the 2nd Amendment does not address an individual's duties. Neither does the rest of the Constitution


I wonder if I did any more correcting, eh? Let us see about that,,,

Education isn't a Constitutional right, and there is no duty to provide it


I read him too me. I correct you on that one too,,,

Why you don't ask Google-Skippy about that before you blurt out some profound truts? Education is a right. And the government has a duty to provide it up to high school. Yeah, it's in the Constitution.


So there you are Cher. Which means,,,

You didn't even read what I said.


,,, you want to take the "Victim-Of-Mean-Ol-Ira-Skippy" shield.

It sucks.It hurts


My condolences. Peoples tell me that a lot.

Dec 20, 2015
Gawd. We've said this forever. Conservatives are driven by fear. Make liberals afraid, they act the same. People never consider family size. A lot of it comes down to the mother taking time with a toddler to show them the world isn't a scary place. A lot of conservatives breed like rabbits and the mother gets pregnant again immediately and the prior child grows up more fearful, more likely to be conservative.

Dec 20, 2015
Gawd. We've said this forever. Conservatives are driven by fear. Make liberals afraid, they act the same. People never consider family size. A lot of it comes down to the mother taking time with a toddler to show them the world isn't a scary place. A lot of conservatives breed like rabbits and the mother gets pregnant again immediately and the prior child grows up more fearful, more likely to be conservative.

Dec 20, 2015
I retract my critique of the article, I find it to be accurate.

Dec 20, 2015
julianpenrod 1/5 (12) Dec 17, 2015


Julian Penrod claxon! Find a new Catholic Church to pee in.

Hey, minnow muncher, gone to confession yet for your denying AGW? Francis says denying that is a mortal sin. Repent, sinner!

--cut and paste baby monger rhetoric--


Obviously you can't do basic textual analysis. The New Testament goes out of its way to lambast people like Tim Tebow that show displays of prayer in public. Never says ONE WORD about the common Roman practice of infanticide. If a fetus is so damned important, why didn't he ever get around to freakin' INFANTICIDE?!? Because he didn't give a shit about it.

Religion has become the factory farming of humans. That's why you're always in our bedrooms. That's not in the scriptures. Since Constantine, and before, xtianity is just a gussied up vehicle for voluntary state behavioral control. For ignorant, fearful people, hence conservatives, that can be scared by "hell".


Dec 20, 2015
you want to take the "Victim-Of-Mean-Ol-Ira-Skippy" shield.

You would have to be mean first. You're nowhere near as abrasive on this board as I am. Right now you're kind of like that big old cuddly sovereign citizen uncle who gets more huggable the more they rant about their guns. I'm just sad you think I turned against you, or anyone.

Pssst... the word "education" is not in the USA Constitution, but you're still tops by me.

Dec 20, 2015
You're nowhere near as abrasive on this board as I am.


I am just Ira-Skippy. Non more non less either.

sovereign citizen uncle who gets more huggable the more they rant about their guns


I don't rant, unless you think not holding to pat ready made party line is ranting What's wrong with being a good citizen. I think I am. I'm also an environmentalist. Vote a straight Democrat ticket (voted for Obama-Skippy twice and have not regrets for doing it.) I am for staying out other peoples private affairs. Expressing your thoughts while actually thinking about the words and what I am trying to say is not ranting. It is just being thoughtful.

I'm just sad you think I turned against you, or anyone.


I have not turned against you Cher. I save up the good stuffs for the peoples who call me stupid and ignorant just because I talk funny.


Dec 20, 2015
Pssst... the word "education" is not in the USA Constitution, but you're still tops by me.


Psst... so are a lot of other things that the Constitution protects. You don't have to believe me, I'm just a dumb Cajun. Ask Google-Skippy to tell you about "right to education". Or "right to privacy" or any other thing you think is a right but is not a word in the Constitution. Instead of the "this sounds rational to me so it must be a good one to use" try it out on Google-Skippy first to make sure it don't backfire on you. It's a good way to expand your horizons and be more ready for the next couyon you tussle with. I make it a habit if I have the slightest doubt.

Dec 20, 2015
I don't rant, unless you think not holding to pat ready made party line is ranting

It is when I do it, lol
What's wrong with being a good citizen.

Not a damned thing.
I think I am.

I think you are too!
I'm not kicking you out of bed for eating cookies or anything, we just disagreed. Actually, I don't think we disagree at all, and just ricocheted off each other in some dinner theater misunderstanding. I'm a gun owner from a lineage of such, and everyone I know is too. We're wondering if perhaps, by our experiences with our own kin and kind, there may be a surplus of irresponsibility in gun owners such as ourselves. We wonder why this is the case, and if there is a solution, because we don't like these mass shooting/domestic terrorism events. We're pretty sure the answer isn't "more guns." We stockpile guns and ammo after every event, it doesn't the stop the next one. I don't want laws against guns, I want a sane, educated, enlightened populace to own them.

Dec 20, 2015
I'm just a dumb Cajun.

You're not dumb, stop self-depricating to SuperThunderSkippy.

Because the Constitution doesn't explicitly guarantee that right, it comes down to arguing with the Supreme Court about it, which is up to the whims of a court. Call me Machiavellian, but I prefer the Constitution to be explicit so we can live by document rather than by sitting judge.
Here is a case of that.
http://www.crf-us...mendment
The 14th Amendment is a good argument in cases like that, but it makes no demands of quality of education, or the establishment of it where it isn't. Education is too important to be so underplayed by the Constitution. Better education would lower the violence in this country, but it comes back to the article. People don't want to learn when in a constant state of fear. They regress. It's a positive feedback loop too, it seems.

Dec 20, 2015
The Second Amendment has no duty beyond denying other citizens their other rights
@superT
the 2nd doesn't violate any 6th amendment ( https://en.wikipe...titution ) unless you think the trespasser should have the right to violate your personal property

I was a little confused by your post... the second amendment is a vital part of the constitution for several reasons:
1- to protect the constitution (as noted by the authors)

2- to protect the citizens against tyranny (as noted by the authors)

3- self-defense (inferred - because a dead citizen is not able to protect homeland, country OR constitution)

the second amendment is what defends (literally) all the other amendments and keeps us as free as we ever will be, IMHO

Maybe that is the military in me talking, but i sincerely think that without the 2nd, we would end up like GB or Oz... and the violence there isn't dropping, it's getting worse

Dec 21, 2015
I can definitely see the next progressive push. It will be for driverless cars. As the lady in Vegas proved today cars can be used as weapons and they are much too dangerous to be in the hands of our citizens. Save the children, save the children.

Dec 21, 2015
Oh, . . we need MORE GUNS, so we can be like Somalia, the Conservative Paradise, where you can own any weapon you can buy, steal, or kill to get, . .and so can everybody else.

Dec 21, 2015
Want to know why conservatives are so flakey, SCARED, and violent? Go here:

http://www.newsco...id=13324

Dec 22, 2015
...so we can be like Somalia...where you can own any weapon you can buy, steal, or kill to get, . .and so can everybody else
@gkam
1- disarmed all those felons in LA yet? after all... it is a federal LAW that they cannot own triggered weapons of any kind given their felonious history

2- you like to blame "conservatives" -that is political stupidity

3- whenever someone actually proves something that you don't like, you lash out with blatant stupidity and OT comments, like above
this is especially true WRT guns and your pathological fear of anyone who is supportive of the constitution
https://www.psych...ttle-ego


Dec 22, 2015
Considering there's no discernible thought difference in conservatives and terrorists, the premise is dubious.


Terrorists tend to be motivated by over-the-top religious rhetoric. What is your excuse.


Dec 22, 2015
..... had you been an honest and rational person not susceptible to being spoon fed caricatures of conservatives by propaganda and could think for yourself, ......you may have started with the premise that the political rights ideology is legitimate and sincere,.... as I believe the political far left is sincere and that ideology is legitimate in the sense of having a rational foundation. I just disagree that it is effective and ultimately threatens liberty, not out of deliberate motivation, but taken to its logical conclusion.


Dec 22, 2015
This proves that FEAR, makes conservatives. They are SCARED of everything, especially for their "things". Note: Do NOT seem to take anything belonging to SCARED conservatives unless you want to get killed


That is correct gkam, conservatives fear loss of freedom and liberty. Capitalism and personal property are natural expressions of freedom and liberty. Conservatives fear an ideology that is incompatible with those principles, one that is motivated by control of human behavior, one that does not hold human life, no matter it's present circumstantial state, as 'sacred' by law. We will kill to protect those principles, we've done it before. Yes, gkam, ........ we fear [terrorists] and the ideology that motivates them. It's not the first time western culture has fought against oppressive ideology. Read history to see the millions dead on account of ideology based on operating counter to human nature.


Dec 22, 2015
.... I fear waking up to see headlines of yet another car-bomb in downtown New York, or another mass shooting, etc. I fear that idealistic political-correctness of 'cultural diversity' is diluting national defense, and is being extended to cultures not compatible with our constitution,...

gkam, you have a school-yard understanding of what being 'scared' means.

Dec 22, 2015
Why does gkam fear law-abiding citizens owning guns?

Dec 22, 2015
You are not rational if you need guns. Your FEARS or clumsy handlings turn into our tragedies too often.

I have news for gun nuts: Having your "equalizer" does not make you equal to the rest of us.

Dec 22, 2015
We do not need any discussion, we only need to see how Trump has brought out the real character of Conservatism, which seems to be hateful and violent Fascism.

Dec 22, 2015
You are not rational if you need guns.


Why do you keep talking about "need"? You are being driven by your "need" to lump everybody into one neat group. That''s the only way you can fit your emotional fears into a size that fits on a bumper sticker.

Your FEARS or clumsy handlings turn into our tragedies too often.


Why do you keep on with the "FEARS" stuffs. How did you decide that some Skippy you never laid eyes on, never ever talked to, and only know from a few postums on the anonymous interweb place has something to be afraid of? Oh, you just used that super insightful rational brain of your to KNOW it.

I have news for gun nuts: Having your "equalizer" does not make you equal to the rest of us.


Whats with the "gun nuts"? What's this "equal" stuffs you keep ranting on here Cher? Is the anonymous interweb place the only place you talk like that to peoples? You talk like that to peoples faces? Get slapped much? YOU need the equalizer.

Dec 22, 2015
Sorry if I got to you and exposed your insecurities. I am pretty good with a shotgun and rifle, but outgrew my fascination with killing and power.

"You talk like that to peoples faces?"

I will be happy to say it to your silly face.

Dec 22, 2015
Sorry if I got to you and exposed your insecurities.


So let me see if we are on the same page Skippy. You brag about being every kind of engineer. The special super electronic warrior. You got to talk about you in every postum. Can read peoples mind so good you can put them in nice little groups that fit on bumper stickers,,,, that all means you are secure and I am insecure? Is that about right Cher? Okayeei. Got him.

I am pretty good with a shotgun and rifle, but outgrew my fascination with killing and power.


Well I am probably better with the chootgun and rifle too and pistol again too, but I was never fascinated with killing and power. So maybe I missed something along the way, eh?

I will be happy to say it to your silly face.


It would be fun making you look foolish in person yeah. Hooyeei, that would be a show, but I will pass, I don't want to make you cry in public. And you wonder why nobody takes you serious here?

Dec 22, 2015
You are not rational if you need guns.

Who are you to decide that for others?

Having your "equalizer" does not make you equal to the rest of us.

Do you want criminals to have an advantage? How is that rational?

Your FEARS or clumsy handlings turn into our tragedies too often.

The statistics for successfully protecting oneself from criminals are not kept. Freedom is dangerous sometimes. Should we ban cars,... as many die from car crashes,.... what about the millions who die from obesity, should the government control what people eat and force them to exercise ?,.... Do you see how irrational your mentality is, taken to its logical conclusion?


Dec 22, 2015
Sorry, but my mentality does not kill tens of thousands of people each year in this country.

Dec 22, 2015
We do not need any discussion, we only need to see how Trump has brought out the real character of Conservatism, which seems to be hateful and violent Fascism.


Trump categorically does not represent a coherent ideology,... certainly not conservativsm. He has praised the democratic party and Hillary Clinton in the past. He is simply not principled and attracts angry politically inarticulate and apolitical people.

Dec 22, 2015
Our arguments will not change anything. Let's find something upon which we can agree.

Dec 22, 2015
Sorry, but my mentality does not kill tens of thousands of people each year in this country.


One more time you say one of those new-agey touchy feeling bumper sticker slogans that don't mean any thing. But they sure do say a lot about your "mentality" Cher. If Nouneman-Skippy's mentality had killed tens of thousands of peoples every year, why I have not heard of Nouneman-Skippy any where but here?

Cher your "mentality" dropped down into the troll group with David-Skippy and viko-Skippy. You seem to work at saying the silly stuffs for the emotional response you seem to want and are frustrated because you don't get it.

Dec 22, 2015
We do not need any discussion, we only need to see how Trump has brought out the real character of Conservatism, which seems to be hateful and violent Fascism.


Trump categorically http://www.chicag...ory.html represent a coherent ideology,... certainly not conservativsm. He has praised the democratic party and Hillary Clinton in the past. He is simply not principled and attracts angry politically inarticulate and apolitical people.


Trump-Skippy is probably the stalking horse for the Democrats. I just can't see any other possiblity. They are the only ones his foolishment helps. His routines are snip and glue from back when he was in the WWE circuses.

Dec 22, 2015
Sorry, but my mentality does not kill tens of thousands of people each year in this country.


But criminals do,...and because they're criminals, guns laws don't work on them, by definition. This is simply a logical truism. YOU wish to blame ALL gun ownership, even that of law-abiding citizens. How is that rational?

And yes, your mentality is weak on criminals, and thus contributes to crime in this country.


Dec 22, 2015
You are not rational if you need guns
@gkam
so... if you're saying that living in the wild and needing a gun to hunt for fresh meat and feed yourself makes a person "not rational"???WTF???
so... if that is the case: are the cops gonna feed you?
do you air drop meat from C-130's to support all the poor folk just trying to eat? what?
or do you hire a special hunter? and doesn't that (by your definition) mean the hunter is not rational and therefore unstable?
what about the cops? are they unstable too?
and the military? secret service? Marshals? etc?
I am pretty good with a shotgun and rifle, but outgrew my fascination with killing and power
so you're a hypocrite and a liar?
you ASSume that everyone is like you and needs to "kill" or own a gun to be equal?
transference?
but my mentality does not kill tens of thousands of people each year
it will if you want to disarm the public and leave the criminals armed, you idiot

Dec 22, 2015

I'm tuning out. This solves nothing.

Dec 22, 2015
unless you think the trespasser should have the right to violate your personal property

That's not what the sixth amendment says. If theft = death in the USA, it is not a good country, it's the Old Testament.

I don't want to post here anymore and I certainly no longer believe in rational people. I now see reason and critical thinking as just a sometimes on-again off-again tool for rhetoric. It serves no other purpose outside of technology, and I am hoping for a humanity that can't exist.

I'm going to go blow my fucking head off now.

Good bye.

Dec 22, 2015
@gkam Having your "equalizer" does not make you equal to the rest of us.
The Batman shooter disagrees
@gkam
Sorry, but my mentality does not kill tens of thousands of people each year in this country.
Actually, it does. Otherwise USA would have crime rate like Switzerland
@gkam
We do not need any discussion, we only need to see how Trump has brought out the real character of Conservatism, which seems to be hateful and violent Fascism.
Fascism is not relegated to conservatism, but appeal to authority. Liberals typically favor bigger governments, which result in bankster takeovers and subsequent currency debt deflation depressions, whereupon a strong man always appears

Dec 22, 2015
Really? I remember precisely who sold us out to Big Brother after their Criminal Negligence on 9/11. How did the conservative hard-liners just happen to have those hundreds and hundreds of pages of draconian Patriot Act ready? How did they know? How do you like our Republican Police State? How do you like paying for it, and getting the contempt we get from Big Brother?

Dec 22, 2015
unless you think the trespasser should have the right to violate your personal property


[...] If theft = death in the USA, it is not a good country, it's the Old Testament.


How is a house-invasion victim supposed to know the intention of the criminal? The most rational response, and one that is in accord with natural survival instinct, is to assume the worst case. Otherwise why should the victim risk death to do the criminal the favour of presuming he means no physical harm? What an absurd world liberals live in. By threatening ones life, the criminal has forfeited his own. This is not only legal law, but natural law.


Dec 22, 2015
How did the conservative hard-liners just happen to have those hundreds and hundreds of pages of draconian Patriot Act ready? How did they know? How do you like our Republican Police State? How do you like paying for it, and getting the contempt we get from Big Brother?


It expanded under Obama.

In the Patriot Act, they're only looking at meta-data, not content, and it's automated. The phone company already has that data. It's not your personal property as its generated by the networks. For content, a judge is required.


Dec 22, 2015
Big Brother... Criminal Negligence... 9/11... conservative hard-liners... draconian Patriot Act... Republican Police State... Big Brother
-Georges last post was almost entirely t shirt slogans.

Hey george Ive got a few; brainless, brain dead ape, senile old man, 70s throwback, hippie, fruitcake, lying posturing psychopath. IMO.

But experts agree...

"Those of us who have had experiences with psychopaths know that the language of the psychopath is two-dimensional. They are, as someone once said, as "deep as a thimble."

... more?

"Another extremely interesting study... Hand movement can tell researchers a lot about what are called "thought units." The studies indicate that psychopaths' thoughts and ideas are organized into small mental packages. This is handy for lying, but makes dealing with an overall, coherent, integrated complex of deep thoughts virtually impossible."

'small mental packages' = t shirt slogans.

Dec 22, 2015
"Really? I remember precisely who sold us out to Big Brother after their Criminal Negligence on 9/11. How did the conservative hard-liners just happen to have those hundreds and hundreds of pages of draconian Patriot Act ready? How did they know? How do you like our Republican Police State? How do you like paying for it, and getting the contempt we get from Big Brother?"

Gkam do you have the even slightest idea of the scope of the original Patriot Act???? It DID NOT allow the recording of actual conversations!!! It just allowed the recording of which numbers called which numbers. Thus, if a suspected terrorist or person of interest was captured it allowed the police or FBI to search the calling records without delay in order to find out his contacts. Is this just in time searching of a potential criminals phone contacts all that obnoxious or invasive when the security and lives of the citizens of the US are considered?

Dec 22, 2015
Lets just take the last shooting into account. Did their calling records help protect the public and is that a valid trade off when considering public safety and the right to privacy. How does this trade off compare to limiting gun ownership and the rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment?

Dec 22, 2015
You are not rational if you need guns
George leaves little clues that are key to discerning his true nature. Per my last post...

"psychopaths' thoughts and ideas are organized into small mental packages... makes dealing with an overall, coherent, integrated complex of deep thoughts virtually impossible..."

-The projected need to defend oneself from criminals requires a rather complex reasoning process. Georges diseased brain is incapable of deep thoughts.

And so he simply cannot comprehend this need.
I am pretty good with a shotgun and rifle, but outgrew my fascination with killing and power
Another clue... intimidating people with firearms is a much simpler concept than personal defense. This is also why he is so frustrated with synonyms - no chance to intimidate, which is a favorite tool of the psychopath.
Let's find something upon which we can agree
Most everyone here agrees that you are a compulsive liar.

How about that?

Dec 22, 2015
Gkam do you have the even slightest idea of the scope of the original Patriot Act???? It DID NOT allow the recording of actual conversations!!!
You do understand that you are trying to reason with a lunatic who is only here to 'play you like a cheap kazoo' as he has admitted many times before?

You enjoy jumping through hoops?

"One psychopath interviewed by Hare's team said quite frankly: "The first thing I do is I size you up. I look for an angle, an edge, figure out what you need and give it to you. Then it's pay-back time, with interest. I tighten the screws.""

Dec 22, 2015
"You do understand that you are trying to reason with a lunatic who is only here to 'play you like a cheap kazoo' as he has admitted many times before?"

Of course Otto you are 100% correct, but I, just like yourself, just cannot resist commenting when someone makes ludicrous statements.

Dec 22, 2015
Sorry kids. No lunatic here, just someone who knows psychological instability when he sees it and it manifests itself in the ownership of devices for killing others.

Okay, you are SCARED. Just admit it. You are scared of life.

Dec 22, 2015
Sorry kids. No lunatic here, just someone who knows psychological instability when he sees it and it manifests itself in the ownership of devices for killing others.

Okay, you are SCARED. Just admit it. You are scared of life.


Sorry glam-Skippy. You have been promoted to troll. (Or the dumbest couyon on the physorg.) Just admit it. You are only here to flame and troll. Just like from your very postum here. And it was doing the good for your ego too, eh? (Until your own tribe recognized you for being a liar and idiot cut you loose.)

You are always talking about hurt feelings and egos and winning and experiences and accomplishments and egos and getting the best of and blah blah some more blahs,,,, Cher do you think any of that foolishment conveniences anybody what is not going on in your heart and head? (That is one of those rhetoric questions so don't try to answer him because it will only draw attention to what you are trying hide from us.)

Dec 22, 2015
That's not what the sixth amendment says
@SuperT
so where are you going with this other than "theft = death"??
I'm going to go blow my fucking head off now.
Good bye
i would really prefer you didn't...
your sense of humour is contagious and certainly necessary on this site, especially WRT certain topics and there is always room for a good informed argument

i just don't see what you mean WRT the 6th and trespassing
you don't know what said criminal is going to do... and to tell the truth, theft can be every bit the death sentence for the victim of the crime considering certain victims
poor, underprivileged, etc ...
what happens if the only way to feed a poor family is to shoot game, and the thief/trespasser takes said firearm? it's not like it is easily replaced for a poor family (see Carlos Hathcock's Bio for more info on that)


Dec 22, 2015
Really? I remember precisely who sold us out to Big Brother after their Criminal Negligence on 9/11. How did the conservative hard-liners just happen to have those hundreds and hundreds of pages of draconian Patriot Act ready? How did they know? How do you like our Republican Police State? How do you like paying for it, and getting the contempt we get from Big Brother?
Every USA president this century appeals more increasingly to authoritarian, fascist policies and solutions. Trump's solution to "making America great" is to weed out anything obstructing his vision, like the American first amendment. Obama would be a far-right president under the standards of the 80s

Patriot Act was prepared by Vietnamese communist professor at Georgetown

Dec 23, 2015
" Obama would be a far-right president under the standards of the 80s"

Only when it comes to snooping on US citizens who are using electronic communications which did not exist in the 80s. I am sure during WWII there was an awful lot of snooping also.

People today post their entire lives on twitter and facebook so matching up a few telephone numbers is no big deal.

On every other front Obama is as left wing as they come. There is no part of US culture that he does not want to remake to comply with his own personal radical views.

Dec 23, 2015
"New World Order!"

"WMD!"

"Bring 'em on!"


Dec 23, 2015
"New World Order!"

"WMD!"

"Bring 'em on!"
"The studies indicate that psychopaths' thoughts and ideas are organized into small mental packages. This is handy for lying, but makes dealing with an overall, coherent, integrated complex of deep thoughts virtually impossible.

"Most people are able to combine ideas that have consistent thought themes, but psychopaths have great difficulty doing this. Again, this suggests a genetic restriction to what we have called the Juvenile Dictionary. Not only are they using extremely restricted definitions, they cannot, by virtue of the way their brains work, do otherwise. Virtually all of the research on psychopaths reveals an inner world that is banal, sophomoric, and devoid of the color and detail that generally exists in the inner world of normal people. This goes a long way to explain the inconsistencies and contradictions in their speech."

-Whos playing who georgie?

Dec 23, 2015
You're the one who follows me around, commenting on my posts with nasty words.

Have any other fixations?

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