UK report finds spies snooping on thousands of e-mails

March 12, 2015
British spies are reading thousands of private communications every day, according to a new report

British spies are reading thousands of private communications every day, according to a new report Thursday that was triggered by the Edward Snowden leaks.

Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee said the did not amount to "indiscriminate ", but called for greater transparency from the security services.

Britain's eavesdropping agency GCHQ and the US National Security Agency were at the centre of a storm in 2013 over the extent of their snooping following leaks from former US intelligence contractor Snowden.

GCHQ uses bulk interception to uncover threats by finding patterns and associations to trigger leads, a tactic that the report said was a crucial and appropriate first step provided it was properly targeted and controlled.

Analysts can only examine individual communications on the authorisation of a government minister, and committee member Hazel Blears said "only a very tiny percentage of those collected are ever seen by human eyes".

This amounted to thousands of items a day, according to the report, in which the exact number was blanked out.

It said the items read included "only the ones considered to be of the highest intelligence value".

"Given the extent of targeting and filtering involved, it is evident that while GCHQ's bulk interception capability may involve large numbers of emails, it does not equate to blanket surveillance, nor does it equate to indiscriminate surveillance," Blears said.

"GCHQ is not collecting or reading everyone's emails: they do not have the legal authority, the resources, or the technical capability to do so."

The committee found that the intelligence agencies did not seek to circumvent the law, but Blears said the legal framework was "unnecessarily complicated and—crucially—lacks transparency".

The report recommended that the tangle of current laws on intrusion be replaced by a new, single piece of legislation.

The report also found each spy agency had disciplined or sacked staff for inappropriately accessing personal information held in the datasets.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of rights campaign group Liberty, said the parliamentary committee was simply a "mouthpiece for the spooks".

"No doubt it would be simpler if we went along with the spies' motto of 'no scrutiny for us, no privacy for you'—but what an appalling deal for the British public," she said.

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gkam
3.6 / 5 (5) Mar 12, 2015
While serving on a Federal Criminal Grand Jury (GJ 06-2, Northern District of California), as Deputy Foreperson for 24 months, I had my email hacked by folk who knew what was going on behind two locked doors in secret session. The DOJ is not interested in looking into who did it. For a while, I had put the following statement on the bottom of my email correspondence:

"Spying on The People did not save Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu. The SAVAK did not save the Shah, and the KGB did not save the Soviet Union. The DINA, the STASI, and others have revealed the future of our own government agencies which consider The People to be suspects in their own nation.

Any government that does not trust its citizens deserves NO TRUST OR SUPPORT from those citizens."
gkam
3.3 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2015
We instituted our intelligence agencies to work for us, but now our own liars, sneaks, and con men are working for themselves and against us. It is time we turned the tables.

In mid-1968, while we were spying on the Commies in Vietnam with our sensors, I openly mused in the shop how long it would be before the government used them against us. I was really surprised to hear general agreement.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2015
While serving on a Federal Criminal Grand Jury (GJ 06-2, Northern District of California), as Deputy Foreperson for 24 months, I had my email hacked by folk who knew what was going on behind two locked doors in secret session. The DOJ is not interested in looking into who did it
Ahaaahaaahaaaa more creative recollections about your 'experience'? Gkam - engineer, researcher, scientist, power point celebrity, energy consultant, inventor, entrepreneur... deputy foreperson esq.

-Did I leave anything out? Doc Savage? Why were you using your email to discuss secret goings-on during a federal grand jury hearing?
antialias_physorg
4.8 / 5 (6) Mar 12, 2015
GCHQ uses bulk interception to uncover threats by finding patterns and associations to trigger leads, a tactic that the report said was a crucial and appropriate first step provided it was properly targeted and controlled.

Erm...color me stupid, but don't the words 'bulk interception' and 'properly targeted' contradict each other rather blatantly?

"only a very tiny percentage of those collected are ever seen by human eyes"

Not an argument. Because all the emails go through automated cross checks and connectivity analysis - which amounts to treating everyone as suspects (which is - even in the UK - illegal). The connectivity data and the history of the emails analysis (as well as the emails) are stored for later retreival and that IS what blanket surveillance is...no matter what euphemisms you put around it.
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2015
I was hoping otto would follow me, so I could relate my DOJ experiences. Yup, otto, I had to sign Federal Criminal Indictments when it was my turn to lead the Jury. I did not like it.

I served in the terrible Bush Years, when our own Attorney General had kidnapped Jose Padilla and kept him without rights of any kind in an underground brig in secret. Our own US Attorney got fired by Dubya and the Crew of Political Crooks, and we had no permanent US Attorney for most of the time. Look it up, otto. Put it where your big mouth is.

I have a feeling if otto ever found out what I did for the EC-135N ARIA, he will die.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2015
I was hoping otto would follow me, so I could relate my DOJ experiences. Yup, otto, I had to sign Federal Criminal Indictments when it was my turn to lead the Jury. I did not like it.

I have a feeling if otto ever found out what I did for the EC-135N ARIA, he will die.
Ah. So THATS what gives you the authority to make up bullshit about plutonium in idaho, fallout as the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions throwing reactor parts 120km, complex systems being self-stabilizing, only 1 scientist realizing that the next ice age is just around the corner, etcetcetc ad infinitum@at least one per day.

I thought it was just another sad case of compulsive neurosis coupled with an inferiority complex. Anything to impress eh George? How did the guvmint react to your penchant for creative manipulation of evidence?

'Course it doesn't matter because nobody here gives a shit about experience, only the veracity of facts. WHY haven't you learned that yet mr polymath?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2015
Gosh, otto, I wanted to send you proof, but you refuse to take it. I caught you in your little hate-rant, going completely insane, and acting like a punk on meth, screaming nasties. But you picked the wrong guy. I am real. Not better than anyone else, but with different experiences, . . real ones.

If you want to know how it all works, just ask questions: "What envelopes are to be opened by the Foreperson, and which ones are to be left unopened? What forms are to be signed and which ones only dated and initialed? What happens next?

The story of the ARIA event is owned now by Smithsonian Air and Space Magazine, but I can send it out with permission.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2015
"How did the guvmint react to your penchant for creative manipulation of evidence?"
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Apparently you have no idea whatever how a Criminal Grand Jury works. The case with evidence and the particular parts of the law is presented to us. We run the Jury, with the DOJ leading us by the nose, and giving us what they want us to see and hear and think.

We consider whether there is sufficient probable cause to put the person through it, and if so, we indict. The Indictment is signed appropriately by the operating Foreperson and then "Handed-up" to the Magistrate in a little ceremony at the end of the day.

You don't get to look into the envelope with the potential punishment in it, because it is usually too extreme for many folk to handle, and might have them reconsider their vote.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2015
you have no idea whatever how a Criminal Grand Jury works
-nor do I care. What does it have to do with the thread?
Gosh, otto, I wanted to send you proof
-Proof of plutonium raining down on idaho, fallout as the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions throwing reactor parts 120km, complex systems being self-stabilizing, only 1 scientist realizing that the next ice age is just around the corner, that microwaves from orbital solar stations will cause cataracts, etcetcetc ad infinitum?

Yeah I am waiting for the proof of those things. Or proof that you have a licence to make up bullshit like that
I caught you in your little hate-rant, going completely insane, and acting like a punk on meth
I HATE BULLSHIT. What gives you the right to spread lies about for instance thorium research being ended worldwide??
But you picked the wrong guy
No you picked the wrong forum for your braggadocio.
I am real
Real what? Science fabricator??
ChangBroot
3 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2015
Anyone who thinks the government is for our benefit is just a pure moron. The small benefit that you take from the government is at your loss of freedom. The government is the rich. Whatever the rich writes, the government follows.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2015
Let's talk surveillance, otto, electronic surveillance. That is the topic of this thread.

What is your education and experience?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
What is your education and experience
What would my education or experience have to do with the topic of this thread? And what would yours? Obviously, if I claimed that serving on a grand jury was relevant experience, I would be laughed at. And obviously if I used this topic as an opportunity to brag about something totally unrelated, I would also be laughed at.

Your education and experience has taught you that plutonium is raining down on idaho, fallout is the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions can throw reactor parts 120km, complex systems are self-stabilizing, only 1 scientist ever realized that the next ice age is just around the corner, that microwaves from orbital solar stations will cause cataracts, etcetcetc ad infinitum.

Obviously your education and experience was a BIG waste of time in that respect. It apparently taught you that you could make up facts at will.

Maybe it would help your cred if you had a podium and a laser pointer. But I doubt it.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2015
I hate to end all this fun with otto, but he can look up George Kamburoff and find out all I said is true. Sorry.

BTW, it was probably a criticiality, not a hydrogen explosion which threw reactor parts 130km. Unit three was fueled with MOX, Uranium spiked with Plutonium, and Pluto is the God of the Underworld.

Look up criticalities, otto, then bend my words and call me a liar again.

otto, you like to smear me, and I like it, too, because I am real and you are not. You are just some kid hiding behind the ghost silliness, somebody with no education or experience, just a tie to Wiki. Or you are a bitter old man, who had worked in some terrible place doing terrible things, and are logically and morally embarrassed by it.

But I really was an original BatCat, one who put together the Electronic Battlefield (Igloo White), tested it in the swamps of Florida, then deployed to the war, and operated it for a year. Shall I explain how it was done?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2015
If you folk are skeptical, look up room 641A of the ATT building in San Francisco, and see what the government is doing to all of us. If otto looks it up, he can see the block diagrams and the equipment specified of the illegal and immoral spying on us done by our own government.

otto may not understand it, but techies will.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
I hate to end all this fun with otto, but he can look up George Kamburoff and find out all I said is true. Sorry.
George, what is true is that you like to make up your own science. Where do you get the idea that you can get away with this?
BTW, it was probably a criticiality, not a hydrogen explosion which threw reactor parts 130km
BTW you didn't even read your own source. The 'parts' you are referring to were a few microscopic congealed dust grains. The explosion threw this dust into the wind and like any other fallout it was carried away. Your jap/Romanian expat mistranslated and/or misunderstood, just like you.

You don't know anything about fallout. You don't know anything about nukes. You don't know anything about explosive force. But you feel qualified to opine about these things anyway and you consistently get it WRONG. How come?

Anybody can make a website George and fill it up with all sorts of bullshit. What's your MS in BTW?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2015
Sorry, otto, but I had to deal with the residue of nuclear war doing the Industrial Hardening Manual. I understand fallout.

Let's discuss nukes, both weapons and power systems, shall we? Go first.

I will tell you about my MS and even send a copy of my thesis, if you are really interested.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
otto you like to smear me
You smear yourself. You post easy to disprove bullshit. You've posted your real name and a path to your website. So now anyone can tie the outrageous nonsense you post here with an actual person with a rep to damage.

Sure you're real. You're george kameroff whose education and experience has taught him that plutonium is raining down on idaho, fallout is the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions can throw reactor parts 120km, complex systems are self-stabilizing, only 1 scientist ever realized that the next ice age is just around the corner, that microwaves from orbital solar stations will cause cataracts, etcetcetc ad infinitum.

And you are available for presentations and seminars where it is assumed you will be teaching this same sort of bullshit for money.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2015
Nope, I retired long ago. You cannot buy me.

What I do now, I do for free. I am trying to put together a unit to teach electronics and robotics to kids in poor areas of the East Bay. Those with only one parent, or little money cannot afford the training and parts to learn, but I can help them for almost no money. I am trying to make arrangements now for a place to host it.

Anybody want to help poor kids find out they can succeed, too? Let's do this all over!
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
Sorry, otto, but I had to deal with the residue of nuclear war doing the Industrial Hardening Manual. I understand fallout
So why is it that you don't know the difference between microscopic dust and macroscopic parts, and don't understand the different mechanisms involved in their transport? Your source explains this, even if he got dust and parts mixed up. Read it.
Let's discuss nukes, both weapons and power systems, shall we? Go first
Sure. Explain why you missed the dust vs parts fuckup. And why you repeated it here.

Even a thermonuclear bomb can't throw macroscopic objects 120km. WHY don't you know this mr engineer? WHY doesn't common sense tell you this???
I will tell you about my MS and even send a copy of my thesis, if you are really interested
Why don't you just TELL us what it's in??? Or better yet, in the interest of transparency, clarify it on your website.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
Nope, I retired long ago. You cannot buy me.

What I do now, I do for free. I am trying to put together a unit to teach electronics and robotics to kids in poor areas of the East Bay. Those with only one parent, or little money cannot afford the training and parts to learn, but I can help them for almost no money. I am trying to make arrangements now for a place to host it.

Anybody want to help poor kids find out they can succeed, too? Let's do this all over!
1) Who fucking cares? 2) How does this justify the bullshit you post here? 3) You don't try to impress these kids with the same kind of bullshit you spread here do you? 4) Have you ever been tested for senility? Maybe it's time. 4) Your website says you are available for hire. More bullshit?
gkam
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
Otto, I said parts, and you assumed engine blocks, or something. The problem is you, not the report.

Who are YOU, otto, . . the smart-ass kid or the angry old man?

My MS is in Environmental Management, consisting of Ecoscience, Thermodynamics of Energy Systems, Environmental Law, Environmental Economics, and other pertinent topics for practical application. I had over 960 class hours of electronics, want to discuss it? I have taught over 30,000 engineers what they should have learned in school. Let's talk about waveshape distortions and analysis, shall we? The propagation of disturbances in electrical systems? How electric drives work? Shall I send you my courses, so you can learn, too?

I can probably teach you, too. Look up me and 7X24Exchange to get some reviews. If you want more, I can flood you with them.

otto, your nasty attitude resulted in weeks of these nasty comments between us. It is time you stopped it.

I really did all the things I said.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
You said parts implying shards and components. You did the same in this thread. You read the title of your source only, and thought WOW - vessel parts!! -without reading further and realizing that it was dust carried by wind.

This is how ignorant and/or senile you are.
MS is in Environmental Management, consisting of Ecoscience, Thermodynamics of Energy Systems, Environmental Law, Environmental Economics, and other pertinent topics for practical application. I had over 960 class hours of electronics, want to discuss it? I have taught over 30,000 engineers what they should have learned in school
So was this teaching before or after your degree? What does your degree have to do with your electronics classes? And why do you feel this qualifies you to state that complex systems are self-stabilizing or that orbital power stations cause cataracts or that thorium plant research is being ended worldwide?

Don't you see? It appears that your education was a waste.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
Sure, otto, keep on carping from the sidelines, . . . and do not let those kids step on your lawn!

Oh, and what I taught is what I figured out for myself, which is why they wanted me to teach it. Others just parrot the same way they were taught, and that does not work for everybody. I teach it the way I taught it to myself, and use analogies more easily identifiable to the students/engineers.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
your nasty attitude resulted in weeks of these nasty comments between us. It is time you stopped it
I told you before and I will continue to remind you, that as long as you post the crap you post, I will continue to expose it and to remind people how much you have done so in the past. You know crap like this:
BTW, it was probably a criticiality, not a hydrogen explosion which threw reactor parts 130km
So I suggest that you either get used to it, or start researching before you post. And stop referring to your 'experience and education' as some sort of justification for posting CRAP. Because that's just offensive in the extreme.
what I figured out for myself
You figured out for yourself that fallout is the principal cause of lung cancer. Your judgment is obviously unreliable.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
otto, if you cannot forge new ground in your field, you are just walking in the parade.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
otto, if you cannot forge new ground in your field, you are just walking in the parade.
Fallout is not the principal cause of lung cancer. You have no business posting or teaching lies like that. Do you understand?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2015
"Fallout is not the principal cause of lung cancer"
---------------------------------------

You do not know it is not true, because we do not have little flags that pop up when it causes lung cancer. That analysis was done by the scientists from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, based on real data.

And your need to criticize is losing examples, one by one, as I reveal the truth, otto.

Soon, there will be nothing for you to complain about except for your apparently-empty life.
antigoracle
not rated yet Mar 13, 2015
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Estevan57
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2015
Dear Mods, I realize you are very busy, but do we have to listen to TheGhostofOtto1923 spout his filthy mouth so often?
Your site is consistently degraded by Otto's lack of restraint and childish manner.

Some recent examples of his usual rhetoric:

"Who fucking cares? 2) How does this justify the bullshit you post here? because nobody here gives a shit
More bullshit?
Explain why you missed the dust vs parts fuckup.
Anybody can make a website George and fill it up with all sorts of bullshit.
I HATE BULLSHIT.
What in your experience has given you the idea that you can bullshit
Im sorry I've got to ask for a source for that as you tend to post bullshit"

Perhaps you have no use for younger readers in your comments section, but they also can click the links, and provide ad revenue.

Have a pleasant day.
antialias_physorg
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 13, 2015
Dear Mods, I realize you are very busy, but do we have to listen to TheGhostofOtto1923 spout his filthy mouth so often?

Don't bother. He just makes a another sockpuppet and comes back whenever he's banned. He's like Zeph that way - unable to take a hint.

Just put him on ignore. The site is so much better that way.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
You do not know it is not true, because we do not have little flags that pop up when it causes lung cancer.
Unbelievable. Here is only one of many official sources which provide a list -
http://www.lung.o...eet.html
That analysis was done by the scientists from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, based on real data
And I suppose the American lung association and the cdc make up their facts like you do?

Now here's another chance to exonerate yourself. POST a LINK to your source. This should be easy for you to do.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2015
Here I did it for you.
https://books.goo...tml_text

-Youll note that the rate is 525 cancers out of 68,000 deaths from all causes. But wait! This was for Japanese survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What are the implications for worldwide exposure?

No wonder the American lung association, the cdc, and any other genuine ref you might find do not include it on their list.

But please go ahead - find your ref and prove me wrong. Or STFU.
just make another sockpuppet
AA you know I've used the same sp for many years now. Apparently the mods like what I have to say.

You still lying to prove a point? Tsk tsk I thought someone of your caliber was above that sort of thing. And not only will you fabricate, but you support the activity of other fabricators. Shame shame.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 13, 2015
Gosh, otto, first, I supposedly lied about being in the Air Force, then lied about being at Edwards, then about being Airman of the Month for the Air Force Flight Test Center, then I allegedly lied about testing the SRV quenchers for GE Mark I & II BWR's, then I lied about electronic reconnaissance against the Commies, then what, . . Senior Engineer for Pacific Gas & Electric? Being on EPRI committees for electric vehicles? Having taught over 30,000 technical folks basics and advanced analysis of power systems?

Did I lie about all those? The EC-135N, the ARIA, too? The alternative energy facility which ran on pollution? The national EPRI Power Quality course? What, . . ?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 15, 2015
Airman of the Month for the Air Force Flight Test Center... testing the SRV quenchers for GE Mark I & II BWR's, then I lied about electronic reconnaissance against the Commies, then what, . . Senior Engineer for Pacific Gas & Electric? Being on EPRI committees for electric vehicles? Having taught over 30,000 technical folks basics and advanced analysis of power systems... The EC-135N, the ARIA, too? The alternative energy facility which ran on pollution? The national EPRI Power Quality course?
-Nowhere in that list do I see a link to your ref from the bulletin of atomic scientists which says that FALLOUT is the MAIN cause of lung cancer.

Why do you list unrelated and alleged accomplishments instead of a bonafide REFERENCE? What makes you think that your LIST proves you know more about cancer than the experts at the American lung association, the cdc, or any other cancer organization you wish to check, who ALL say you're WRONG?

Who the hell do you think you are?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 15, 2015
This is the sorry kind of person antialias chooses to support. Antialias has little respect for facts or evidence either, only the opportunity to preach and pontificate without too much work.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 15, 2015
"Who the hell do you think you are?"
--------------------------

I told you who I am.

Who are YOU? And why are you so SCARED to tell us anything about yourself?

Was my guess about Dugway or Tooele correct?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 15, 2015
Gosh, otto, this thread is about spying and electronic reconnaissance. Got any education or experience in that field? Ever lead or work with the State of the Art?

I offered to tell you how it is done, but you switched to other subjects. Let's get back to this one, with your answer.

What is your education and experience in this field?

Once again, I have it, and you do not.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 15, 2015
Come on back, otto, and I'll enlighten you about KAL 007.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 15, 2015
Gosh, otto, this thread is about spying and electronic reconnaissance. Got any education or experience in that field? Ever lead or work with the State of the Art?
You mean the kind of education and experience that taught you that plutonium is raining down on idaho, fallout is the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions can throw reactor parts 120km, complex systems are self-stabilizing, only 1 scientist ever realized that the next ice age is just around the corner, that microwaves from orbital solar stations will cause cataracts, etcetcetc ad infinitum?

Or the kind of expertise in spying and electronic reconnaissance one can get while serving on a Federal Criminal Grand Jury (GJ 06-2, Northern District of California), as Deputy Foreperson for 24 months?

Sorry Id rather rely on real info from dependable sources, not bullshit from some compulsive blowhard.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 15, 2015
Come on back, otto, and I'll enlighten you about KAL 007
Why, were you actually on that flight? Or were you a job shopper at MI6 at the time? I bet you had a position they named "Senior Bullshit Engineer" just to make temps like yourself think they werent expendable.

But then Bond was expendable wasnt he? And so you probably enjoyed the status.
FALLOUT is the MAIN cause of lung cancer
So blowhard, wheres your source from the scientists at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, based on real data? And why are you implying that the american lung association, the american cancer society, the cdc, and any other legitimate source you can find, do not use real data??
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 15, 2015
You can look me up at 1stwave.com, or the 553d Recon Wing, or Igloo White, or, I could send you some of my performance reports.

I am also in the acknowledgement page of the ARIA, a secret plane with an electronic mission of which you know nothing.

Nasty attitudes may intimidate others, otto, but not those of us who were there and did it.

Where did you say you were in 1968? Fort Detrick?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 15, 2015
ou can look me up at 1stwave.com, or the 553d Recon Wing, or Igloo White, or, I could send you some of my performance reports.

I am also in the acknowledgement page of the ARIA, a secret plane with an electronic mission of which you know nothing
And you still think that serving on a Federal Criminal Grand Jury (GJ 06-2, Northern District of California), as Deputy Foreperson for 24 months is relevant experience for commenting in this thread? If not why did you post it first thing? Again, Im confused and a little nauseated.
FALLOUT is the MAIN cause of lung cancer
So blowhard, wheres your source from the scientists at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, based on real data? And why are you implying that the american lung association, the american cancer society, the cdc, and any other legitimate source you can find, do not use real data?? Do any of your credentials give you the authority to spread manure of that quality?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 15, 2015
"And you still think that serving on a Federal Criminal Grand Jury (GJ 06-2, Northern District of California), as Deputy Foreperson for 24 months is relevant experience for commenting in this thread? If not why did you post it first thing?"
-------------------------------

Otto, stop pretending to be stupid. I said it in the first post. Go read it.

I am a former technical spook. I may understand this better than you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 16, 2015
"Technical spook" -Do you have a specific job description?
What is your education and experience in this field?
As I say, our backrounds are irrelevant. But mine has certainly prepared me to know that plutonium is not raining down on idaho, fallout is not the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions cant throw reactor parts 120km, complex systems are not typically self-stabilizing, many scientists have realized that the next ice age is just around the corner, that microwaves from orbital solar stations won't cause cataracts, etcetcetc ad infinitum.

So as compared to mine, yours is pretty fucking worthless isn't it?

And you have the gall to stand up before a captive audience and share it with them. How long did that gig last I wonder? Or were you delivering presentations prepared by genuine experts maybe? How hard was it to stick to the facts?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 16, 2015
Otto, stop pretending to be stupid. I said it in the first post
Lets see you said
While serving on a Federal Criminal Grand Jury (GJ 06-2, Northern District of California), as Deputy Foreperson for 24 months, I had my email hacked
Well I found a virus on my computer last year but MS took care of it. Granted it doesn't have quite the same blowhard braggart potential as your grand jury thing but I suppose it qualifies me about as much to comment on the article.

What, you say STASI hacked your email or something?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2015
Poor otto. No life, no experience, no education, no manners. You should have had a mother.

Meanwhile, those of us who actually did things in life are going to straighten you out.

Yup, I was in the electronic recon business - what was yours? What did YOU do, and why do you try to dispute one who actually did what you do not understand?

Ask me politely, and I will tell you how it all works. I am a real resource for those of you who stayed at home and did the same thing all your lives.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2015
Otto's computer had a virus, but MS Defender SAVED HIM!!

Anybody else have a scary and terrifying electronic spying story?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2015
otto, come back! I am not through, and have a VA appointment soon. You know the VA, don't you? It is for those who SERVED.

Guess I'll have to wait until I get back, if you fail to respond soon. I'd like to school you in the arts of electronic reconnaissance.

And do not worry about that computer virus that SCARED you - help is available.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 16, 2015
Poor otto. No life
Well I dont feel the need to make one up and/or embellish the one I have just to impress people on an anonymous science news site. I would look pretty pathetic if I did that.
What did YOU do, and why do you try to dispute one who actually did what you do not understand?
MY education and experience has taught me that plutonium is not raining down on idaho, fallout is not the principal cause of lung cancer, H2 explosions cant throw reactor parts 120km, complex systems are not typically self-stabilizing, many scientists have realized that the next ice age is just around the corner, that microwaves from orbital solar stations won't cause cataracts, etcetcetc ad infinitum.

MINE has taught me to LOOK things up rather than to MAKE them up.

Your education and experience on the other hand has taught you that bullshit is a viable substitute for facts. And so we can conclude that, no matter how many times you brag, it has FAILED you.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Mar 16, 2015
FALLOUT is the MAIN cause of lung cancer
So blowhard, wheres your source from the scientists at the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, based on real data? And why are you implying that the american lung association, the american cancer society, the cdc, and any other legitimate source you can find, do not use real data, or that you know more about lung cancer than they do?? Do any of your credentials give you the authority to spread manure of that quality?
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2015
This is a thread regarding electronic spying. What is your education or experience in this field? None??? NONE???

Well, sure we'll believe somebody with some kind of vendetta, some kind of hateful getting-even, otto.

Sorry, but the credibility is mine, not that of a wiki-warrior, a Mister Cut-and Paste with no experience of his own.
gkam
1 / 5 (2) Mar 16, 2015
We are NOT going to stop Big Brother from spying on us. He has the best talent, is immune from prosecution, is owned by Big Money, and we can do nothing about it. The 0.01% are folk we do not know, but they own us, through their corporations and the governments they own.

When we started the Electronic Battlefield, we needed over 20 aircraft with about 20 people inside to cover our three main orbits over the battlefields. We took the money from the closed down XB-70 project, and used it to stuff tons of electronics into 4-engine C-121's to listen to what was going on below.

Our stuff was recorded, thrown onto sonic analyzers, and beamed down to one of the biggest computers in the world in Nakhon Phanom, (NKP), on the Laos/Thailand border.

Within two years, those aircraft were replaced with one guy in a militarized Beechcraft Debonaire. Then, a drone.

Now, they just listen to the tap in Room 641A of the ATT building in San Francisco.

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