What drives killers like the Ottawa or Paris attackers?

What drives killers like the Ottawa or Paris attackers?
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Zehaf-Bibeau, the Islamist convert who recently killed a Canadian military reservist on duty in Ottawa, Canada, represents a type of attacker rarely discussed—a person so obsessed with an overvalued idea that it defines their identity and leads them to commit violence without regard for the consequences. Although it appears that the assailants in Paris had more ties with terrorist organizations, the individuals still fit the description of people acting on overvalued ideas. This emerging, and likely growing phenomenon is explored in the article "Lone Wolf Killers: A Perspective on Overvalued Ideas".

Author Matthew H. Logan, PhD, a 28-year veteran officer with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), as well as an RCMP Criminal Investigative Psychologist (ret.), Ontario, Canada, explains that these killers do not always work alone, stating that "in the future I believe we will see more 'packs' of these wolves as they unite on common beliefs and themes."

"The violence we witnessed in Paris just days ago shook the world," says Violence and Gender Editor-in-Chief Mary Ellen O'Toole, PhD, Forensic Behavioral Consultant and Senior FBI Profiler/Criminal Investigative Analyst (ret.). "It was coldblooded, purposeful, and seemingly without remorse, driven by a unique self-righteous ideation of the killers. Dr. Matt Logan explains the 'motivating mindset' of young male offenders, sometimes loners and sometimes part of a group, whose 'overvalued ideas' combined with their own psychopathology is what motivates them to engage in this type of terror. 'Overvalued ideas do not constitute mental illness,' according to Dr. Logan, which makes this senseless, savage seem even more chilling and despicable."


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Jan 15, 2015
First the killer needs to demean the value of the life of the intended victim to the point that something else (i.e. 'the Cause') is more important. Labels ('heathen', 'infidel', heretic') are often useful for this purpose.
Then the killer must convince himself that destroying the 'victim-thing' is going to advance 'the Cause'.
After that it is easy to murder.
The only value system that is immune to this pathological perversion is the one that holds that nothing can be more valuable than a human life. In that value system, the only possible justification for killing another human being is that the target is an immediate and credible threat to an innocent (i.e. non-pathological) life, and no other means is available to protect the innocent life. Killing then becomes a life-saving action.

Jan 15, 2015
"What drives killers like the Ottawa or Paris attackers?"

Religion

Jan 15, 2015
The only value system that is immune to this pathological perversion is the one that holds that nothing can be more valuable than a human life


The modern 'liberal'/'progressive' has contributed to devaluing human life by promoting abortion and euthanasia and attacking institutions that have for thousands of years promoted the sanctity of life.

'Liberals'/'progressives' preach about 'saving humanity' but care not a wit for the individual human being.

Jan 15, 2015
The only value system that is immune to this pathological perversion is the one that holds that nothing can be more valuable than a human life


The modern 'liberal'/'progressive' has contributed to devaluing human life by promoting abortion and euthanasia and attacking institutions that have for thousands of years promoted the sanctity of life.

'Liberals'/'progressives' preach about 'saving humanity' but care not a wit for the individual human being.


This has nothing to with the pro choice debate or being a liberal, this is entirely about being radicalized to the point where the only life that is "sacred" are those with the same belief system.

By attempting to prove this type of behaviour corresponds with your own personal agenda of conservatism, is demeaning to those innocents that were slaughtered by egocentric maniacs. You are only becoming a proponent of another type of extremism.

Jan 16, 2015
The only value system that is immune to this pathological perversion is the one that holds that nothing can be more valuable than a human life


The modern 'liberal'/'progressive' has contributed to devaluing human life by promoting abortion and euthanasia and attacking institutions that have for thousands of years promoted the sanctity of life.

'Liberals'/'progressives' preach about 'saving humanity' but care not a wit for the individual human being.

Given the thoughtful, perceptive, caring comments with which you have so often delighted us, you impress me as an utter paragon of love and compassion for your fellow man.

Jan 16, 2015
this is entirely about being radicalized to the point where the only life that is "sacred" are those with the same belief system.


Yes, like 'liberalism'.

The brave liberals at Charlie Hebdo gave their lives


The brave 'liberals' of France allow Muslims to live in France under Sharia law, NOT French law. Police are afraid to enter regions of France where Muslims live.
Why have the 'liberals' allowed this to happen?

'Liberals' have been destroying Western Civilization for decades. The results are murder and mayhem. Happy?

Jan 16, 2015
"Leftist intellectuals were pointing to the United States as the source of all oppression in the world, while praising the Soviet Union as the liberator of human kind. In How Democracies Perish, Revel aimed his sights at the self-destructive hypocrisies of liberal thought. As he knew, the very intellectuals who should have been supporting the United States were instead hoping for its downfall. ""
http://www.freere...80/posts

Jan 16, 2015
this is entirely about being radicalized to the point where the only life that is "sacred" are those with the same belief system.


Yes, like 'liberalism'.

The brave liberals at Charlie Hebdo gave their lives


The brave 'liberals' of France allow Muslims to live in France under Sharia law, NOT French law. Police are afraid to enter regions of France where Muslims live.
Why have the 'liberals' allowed this to happen?

'Liberals' have been destroying Western Civilization for decades. The results are murder and mayhem. Happy?


You are the other side of the jihadists coin: Christian ultra conservatism. Extremists are the tiny minority. All major religions have the same problem, the bulk of the populations are reluctant to speak out against the misinterpreted tenets of their scriptures. You say that liberalism has caused this, but your type of beliefs have also fed the jihadist's cause.

Jan 16, 2015
Christian ultra conservatism.

Where is the moral equivalence of Muslims murdering Christians, Muslims and pagans in Iraq and Syria?
Why do 'liberals' give murdering Muslims a pass for their atrocities around the world?
'Liberals' are cowards.

"liberals in the United States have adopted a mistaken philosophy that "it is wrong to expect that people who chose to immigrate to your country should be expected to endorse and abide by your laws.""
http://www.usatod...1825173/

Jan 16, 2015
self-righteous ideation

I guess that's the core of the problem: Arriving at a mindset where the own ideas are beyond criticism (by others or by self).

I can even see the lure in this. The world appears as an increasingly complex place. It has always been complex but in the past, when interaction was slower, that complexity was not apparent to most people.

It's just that most people can't handle complexity. Either because they just can't cope, aren't willing to make the effort or are even unwilling to admit that they can't.
And that is when they plump for easy answers and absolutes (religion, political ideologies, mob mentality...down to such simple things as being a 'fan' of a music star/sports team).

Jan 16, 2015
Matthew PhD RCMP has it right, it is about "Overvalued Ideas", nothing religious about that. Overvalued ideas occur within and without religion, within and without politics, economics, business, breeding, science and survival.
"Overvalued ideas", is undoubtedly a specific form of ignorance likely due to lazy thinking (re human cognitive heuristics). http://en.wikiped...n-making

Jan 16, 2015
Matthew PhD RCMP has it right, it is about "Overvalued Ideas"
If an idea is correct, then overvaluing it may yet be beneficial. There is no benefit to overvaluing delusions and fantasy. That is a psychiatric condition in one person, and in large groups it is called religion

Jan 16, 2015
Overvalued ideas


Like what? Life is better than death? Liberty is better than tyranny?

Jan 16, 2015
Exactly the sentiment expressed by the left wing secularist editor of Charlie Hebdo


If he were 'left wing' then he doesn't mind forcing others to live on their knees.

That's what 'left wingers' do.

Liberty is an 'overvalued idea'?


Jan 17, 2015
many people, from many political perspectives, believe in your right to say stupid things.

But they don't believe in my right to keep my property.

Jan 17, 2015
And how do you know that they don't believe in your right to keep your property?

'Leftist' is socialist.
Socialists don't support private property rights.
Bastiat describes French socialism in The Law.

"Hollande's efforts to raise taxes on wealthy residents and capital-gains taxes on businesses, and to stop people from stashing their money in offshore bank accounts, have wide support among French voters, "
http://world.time...-france/

Jan 17, 2015
"France's economic sickness is primarily due to its overbearing state, horrendously high tax levels, insane regulations, absurd levels of inefficient public spending and generalised hatred of commerce, capitalism, success and hard work. "
" boss-napping is making a comeback: two executives were yesterday taken hostage by members of a communist trade union at a Goodyear tyre plant in the north of the country. "
" on New Year's eve: "just" 1,067 cars were torched, a number which the authorities welcomed as down by a tenth on the previous year. Horrendously, three people died."
http://www.cityam...-tragedy

Jan 17, 2015
ryggesog - your link indicates that successful French entrepreneurs will be moving to London this year. Do you believe that London is paragon of Libertarianism?

No.

Jan 17, 2015
without government oversight - businesses become the great machine that eats everything on the plate.


False.

it is a question of the balance of individual rights - vs community rights.


There are no 'community rights'. Only individual rights.

Unless of course you believe in NO government.


I stated many times, the only legitimate function of a govt is to protect individual property rights.
Socialism is state control of property, usurping individual rights.

Jan 17, 2015
But you agree that England is also a socialist country - but not in decline.

I never said Great Britain wasn't in decline.
UK has significant problems with Muslims and socialism, too.

coal mines and the garment factories of the 1800's.

All protected and promoted by the govt of the day. You have been lied to by socialist history. The UK govt provide orphans from state institutions for factory work. Children with parents wanted their children in school.

I want a clean ocean to swim in.

No one owns the oceans so there is no way to protect the oceans.
When ownership rights are granted AND protected, resources are protected.

If you want to protect oceans, forests, etc. use property rights. Private institutions can purchase property and protect it. But, they pay, not taxpayers.

Jan 17, 2015
private businesses are just as capable of evil,

But they can't use force like the state can.
People have a choice to work at or patronize a business.
People have NO choice when the govt forces orphaned children to work in mills.

"The "Parish apprentice children" were some of the first children to be brought into the factory setting. These were children who had been taken in by the government and placed in orphanages (Reed, 2001). Rich factory owners approached parish leaders with the idea of them taking in children and feeding, housing and providing for those children in exchange for the children's work in their factories (Tuttle, 2001). "
"Child labor was virtually eliminated when, for the first time in history, the productivity of parents in free labor markets rose to the point that it was no longer economically necessary for children to work "
http://wathatcher...ldlabor/

Jan 17, 2015
""Free labour" children were those who lived at home but worked during the days in factories at the insistence of their parents or guardians. British historian E. P. Thompson, though generally critical of the factory system, nonetheless quite properly conceded that "it is perfectly true that the parents not only needed their children's earnings, but expected them to work." (2) Professor Ludwig von Mises, the great Austrian economist, put it well when he noted that the generally deplorable conditions extant for centuries before the Industrial Revolution, and the low levels of productivity which created them, caused families to embrace the new opportunities the factories represented:"

http://www.mackin...?ID=3879

Jan 17, 2015
"Private factory owners could not forcibly subjugate "free labour" children; they could not compel them to work in conditions their parents found unacceptable. The mass exodus from the socialist Continent to increasingly capitalist, industrial Britain in the first half of the nineteenth century strongly suggests that people did indeed find the industrial order an attractive alternative."
"The lack of physical force, in fact, is what distinguishes it from pre-capitalist, feudal times. When feudalism reigned, men, women, and children were indeed "sold" at auction, forced to work long hours at arduous manual labor, and compelled to toil under whatever conditions and for whatever compensation pleased their masters. This was the system of serfdom, and the deplorable system of parish apprenticeship was a remnant of Britain's feudal past."
http://www.mackin...?ID=3879

Jan 17, 2015
"So it is that child labor was relieved of its worst attributes not by legislative fiat, but by the progressive march of an ever more productive, capitalist system. Child labor was virtually eliminated when, for the first time in history, the productivity of parents in free labor markets rose to the point that it was no longer economically necessary for children to work in order to survive. The emancipators and benefactors of children were not legislators or factory inspectors, but factory owners and financiers. Their efforts and investments in machinery led to a rise in real wages, to a growing abundance of goods at lower prices, and to an incomparable improvement in the general standard of living."
http://www.mackin...?ID=3879

Jan 17, 2015
Often businesses team up with government - and they certainly can use force.


ONLY the govt is legally allowed to use force. NOT business.

these children were not paid a wage for the work they did;


These were the children THE GOVT GAVE to the mills. The govt SANCTIONED this.
You seemed to intentionally miss this key point.

Jan 17, 2015
@ryggy

"ONLY the govt is legally allowed to use force. NOT business."

You know absolutely nothing about the history of the labor movement.

Jan 17, 2015
@ryggy

"ONLY the govt is legally allowed to use force. NOT business."

You know absolutely nothing about the history of the labor movement.

Business owners have the right to protect their property when the state fails to do so just as individuals have the right to defend their property, with force.

Jan 17, 2015
I don't think the government forced the mill owners (or coal mine owners etc. etc.) to subject the young children to such evil conditions - did they?

They were slaves of the state and not free to choose.

"On this date in 1914, Henry Ford made history once again. The auto manufacturer established an unheard of $5.00 a day minimum wage in his factories."
" The average wage in the auto industry then was $2.34 for a 9-hr. shift. Ford not only doubled that, he also shaved an hour off the workday.""
"In the magnate's own words, it was "one of the finest cost-cutting moves we ever made.""
http://www.renewa...s/060103

Jan 17, 2015
"Private factory owners could not forcibly subjugate "free labour" children; they could not compel them to work in conditions their parents found unacceptable. The mass exodus from the socialist Continent to increasingly capitalist, industrial Britain in the first half of the nineteenth century strongly suggests that people did indeed find the industrial order an attractive alternative. And no credible evidence exists which argues that parents in these early capitalist days were any less caring of their offspring than those of pre-capitalist times.

The situation, however, was much different for "parish apprentice" children, and close examination reveals that it was these children on whom the critics were focusing when they spoke of the "evils" of capitalism's Industrial Revolution. These youngsters, it turns out, were under the direct authority and supervision not of their parents in a free labor market, but of government officials. "
http://www.mackin...?ID=3879

Jan 17, 2015
"China has an estimated three million slaves working to create electronics and designer handbags. The report also alleges that forced labor was used to create headphones for several airlines."
http://finance.ya...547.html

Jan 17, 2015
"So basically, the Chinese funded a completely non-economical glass R&D facility IN ANTICIPATION of getting the Apple order. There is no way anyone would build a factory like that unless the money was close to free. It already had glass samples in stock! The "some subsidies trickled down" sounds way too innocent. It sounds more like someone recognized the importance of Apple as a marquee customer, and whether the push came from the officialdom or businessmen with the right connections in high places, it doesn't really matter. This project smells of having serious government backing. How can private businesses anywhere compete with that? "
http://www.nakedc...nds.html

Jan 17, 2015
And the mill owners, and the mine owners had no choice

Sure, they could have paid more for labor and maybe gone out of business.

History shows that as prosperity increases, competition for labor increases, wages and working conditions improve. UNLESS the govt intervenes and refuses to enforce immigration laws enabling cheap labor and exploiting workers.
Sure, truck farms can pay more, chicken producers and pay more, but then they will charge more for their products or go out of business.
NW Washington state used to raise strawberries. Local teens and migrants picked the strawberries, mostly June bearing berries. Teens stopped picking and labor costs rose so they switched to mechanically harvested raspberries.
Demanding $15 minimum wage at fast food will motivate robots to make the food.

When the govt gets into the business of business, instead of protecting property rights for all, property rights to some will be denied.

Jan 17, 2015
"Ever wonder how lowly paid lawmakers leave office filthy rich?

Sen. Dianne Feinstein is showing how it's done.

The US Postal Service plans to sell 56 buildings — so it can lease space more expensively — and the real estate company of the California senator's husband, Richard Blum, is set to pocket about $1 billion in commissions."
http://pagesix.co...21462337

Jan 18, 2015
so what we have to accept is a moderated form of capitalism -


Capitalism IS moderated by customers and competition and the state needs to be trusted to prosecute theft and fraud.
The state failed to prosecute theft and fraud and by doing so sanctioned Bernie Madoff's ponzi scheme. It was a competitor that first raised the red flag and the govt agency that licensed Madoff refused to investigate aiding and abetting in the theft and fraud.

Capitalism is best 'regulated' by customers and completion with the state protecting private property for all.
When the state 'moderates', fascism and cronyism result because the state has the monopoly on violence.
system that has no morality.

Free market capitalism IS the MOST moral system because there can be NO coercion. The capitalist must persuade and cannot force anyone to work for him nor can he force anyone to patronize his business.
The 'moderating' state enables immorality with its monopoly on violence.

Jan 18, 2015
"New research from the University of California at San Diego looked at the impact of minimum wage hikes across the country beginning in 2009, after the official end of the last recession. The increases were the result of a boost in the federal minimum wage and states' independent legislative action. The hikes significantly reduced the employment of low-skilled workers. The loss of work was far greater in those states which had the biggest increases in the mandated minimum wage."
"When government increases the "price" of the lowest-skilled jobs, those workers with the least skills will have a harder time finding employment. "
http://www.breitb...workers/
How will the state force businesses to hire and force the business to earn profit with its forced minimum wage?

Jan 18, 2015
The 'moderating state' is most interested in power, not morality:

"Ed Miliband and Ed Balls knew about the financial crash a year before it happened – and urged then Prime Minister Gordon Brown to call a snap election knowing it was the only way Labour could hold on to power, it has been revealed. Labour sources have not denied the claims."
http://www.breitb...-public/

Jan 18, 2015
"cronyism is essentially where economic decisions in terms of who accumulates wealth and who doesn't, is not based on merit, it's not based on economic prowess or success or meeting needs in the marketplace. It's based on political connections and relationships whereby you are able to either manipulate the state to your advantage, and to the disadvantage of your competitors."
"many people on the left are basically looking to use the market system for progressive ends and so they come up with very seductive ideas like public/private partnerships. "
"when it actually comes to implementation, given human nature and given the nature of politics, the loans and grants go to friends and allies rather than to people who are most deserving based on technological breakthroughs and consumer demand."
http://www.acton....pitalism

Jan 18, 2015
" People on the left often paint crony-capitalism as an instance where public and government officials are being tossed around in this large ocean with all this corporate money and they really aren't in control. It's the corporations who drive the corruption we're told. I think that's simplistic and inaccurate because ultimately it's government authorities that has the power to implement law and demand that somebody do something."
http://www.acton....pitalism

Jan 18, 2015
"The claims of these organizers of humanity raise another question which I have often asked them and which, so far as I know, they have never answered: If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind? "
http://bastiat.or...ION_G069

Jan 18, 2015
I blame the natural tendency of humans to be selfish and greedy.


How are govt agents more moral?

The coporations own the legal system


Really?

Ask Microsoft after the Clinton administration prosecuted them on monopoly charges from Sun.
The state today is no different IS organized crime. "Nice little business you have over there. It would be a shame if we passed a law that destroyed your business. Contribute to my reelection and I will see what I can do."
ONLY the state has the power. They control the money supply, the value of the money and control where and how banks can expand.
Banks made bad loans under CRA so they could expand.
A bank in Mass. didn't make bad mortgage loans and was punished by the state.

Jan 18, 2015
Sure, they could have paid more for labor and maybe gone out of business.


Right - so you make the case don't you - capitalism is a race to the bottom - so what we have to accept is a moderated form of capitalism - which is where unions, governments etc. have historically come in to temper the excesses of a system that has no morality. Thanks for making the point.
No, you are describing financialism. In capitalism there is capital worth protecting. In financialism only momentum and moneyflow mater, because there is no inherent value in anything because everything is a liability made of debt. If you have no momentum you will die due to the inherent costs of your property and self

Capitalism trades money and financialism trades currency, the latter which is a ratio like USD/CHF or USD/JPY. There is no inherent value in a dimensionless ratio

Jan 18, 2015
"What drives killers like the Ottawa or Paris attackers?"


Secret mind control programs such as MK-ULTRA fostered by "intelligence agencies"or the use of patsies by those same agencies to provoke societal and political changes for our elitist masters. The false flag is a favorite tactic of the current control paradigm. From controlled economic turmoil to wars fomented for profit, very little "just happens".

Jan 18, 2015
From controlled economic turmoil to wars fomented for profit, very little "just happens".

Very little is secret about USA and UK sponsoring terrorist groups. It is all available in public documents. Rather, the government depends upon the willing compliance of Americans with brainwashing programs such as Texas schoolbooks and popularization of ego-boosting mythology such as the American Dream to make the populace willingly complicit. Look at the recent quashing of Occupy Wall Street protesters for reference. Personally I was shocked by how quickly supposedly nice people became our enemies like unthinking robots when the banskters printed particular lies. You can turn Americans back around towards the facts but they will error on the side of the bankster media first

Jan 18, 2015
If we live in an open - relatively free society - we have checks and balances


If we live in a free market, customers and competitors 'regulate' the market.

"Regulation by market forces weakens as a market becomes less free."
"the less a market is restricted — by government, the more it is regulated by market forces. Conversely, the more government restriction, the less regulation by market forces. There is a direct trade-off between the two."
http://fee.org/fr...d-market

Why do you prefer fascism shallot?

Free press? We have a press that freely propagandizes for the current fascist regime. Why?
They ignore the abuses of ATF, IRS, VA, ......
The 'free press' won't publish the cartoons that prompted muslims to murder French cartoonists.
I remember when 60 Minutes and 20/20 used to root out corrupt govt officials. Now they enable corrupt govt officials or ignore them.

Jan 18, 2015
Rygg, I think it's pretty hard to ignore the many cases where the free market has led to the near destruction of a natural resource which was then only saved in extremis by governments.

Whaling and sealing are pretty good examples. A couple of rivers catching fire on account of extreme pollution IIRC. The list goes on.

Is your position then that this is an acceptable price to pay for absolute economic freedom?

Jan 18, 2015
Nothing I have said could be construed as favoring fascism

You support govt control of private property.

Whaling

Rockefeller's cheap kerosene saved the sperm wales.

The Cuhyaoga River that caught fire is 'owned' by the US govt. State and local govts and private property owners could not sue polluters.

Jan 18, 2015
Nothing I have said could be construed as favoring fascism

You support govt control of private property.

Whaling

Rockefeller's cheap kerosene saved the sperm wales.

The Cuhyaoga River that caught fire is 'owned' by the US govt. State and local govts and private property owners could not sue polluters.


@ryggy is the most fucking ignorant poster in the history of phys.org.

Jan 18, 2015
I can support all I have said with data.


Jan 18, 2015
"At the dawn of the industrial age, whales were an important natural resource which humans had been exploiting for centuries. Whales were especially valued for their oil, which was used primarily as fuel for lamps. It was also used for heating, for lubrication, soap, paint and varnish manufacturing, and the processing of textiles and rope. "
"The first step that led to saving the whales was made by Dr. Abraham Gesner, a Canadian geologist. In 1849, he devised a method whereby kerosene could be distilled from petroleum. "
"The man most responsible for the commercial success of kerosene was John D. Rockefeller."
"The Galapagos tortoise was driven almost to extinction because the islands were in the center of a major whaling area, and sailors killed the tortoises for fresh meat. In northern climes, whalers sometimes killed blubber-rich arctic seals to augment their oil stores. Both of these animals were saved by the decline of whaling. "
http://fee.org

Jan 18, 2015
Fables of the Cuyahoga:

http://law.case.e...hoga.pdf

Jan 18, 2015
moderating the excesses of the entities that would act not in the interest of the greater good

How?
With negative law where the state protects private property rights?
Or with 'positive' law, a regulatory state, that opens the door for 'liberal'/'progressive'/socialist/fascist mischief?

Jan 18, 2015
I suspect the answer to my question above is the former of the two options

You suspect?
You don't know?
If one refuses to identify the enemy, as the 'liberals' refuse to do with Islamists, refusing to acknowledge that 'progressive'/fascist/socialist govt is the enemy of free markets, liberty and prosperity means you support 'progressive/fascist/socialist govt over liberty and prosperity.

Jan 19, 2015
Matthew PhD RCMP has it right, it is about "Overvalued Ideas", nothing religious about that. Overvalued ideas occur within and without religion, within and without politics, economics, business, breeding, science and survival.
"Overvalued ideas", is undoubtedly a specific form of ignorance likely due to lazy thinking (re human cognitive heuristics). http://en.wikiped...n-making
Well said, but I would emphasize the "ignorance" part.

That is, I think a lazy lack of comprehension of the broader scope of ideas available, leads to an overvaluation of the one, or few they have. They simply have little to compare with, and no interest in doing so.


Jan 19, 2015
All is heuristic:

"Heuristic: Apply science when appropriate (Koen, 1985, p. 65).

He highlights the tendency for 'some authors […] with limited technical training' to become mesmerized by the 'extensive and productive use made of science by engineers', and elevate the use of science from its status as just one of the many heuristics used by engineers. He states that 'the thesis that engineering is applied science fails because scientific knowledge has not always been available and is not always available now, and because, even if available, is not always appropriate for use' (Koen, 1985, p. 63)."
http://www.kitche...science/

Jan 19, 2015
Onion: "capitalism is a race to the bottom"

Capitalism is a race to provide the best quality service to their customers.

Why is this considered 'the bottom'?


Jan 19, 2015
Diseases that no one saw before and are more powerful than modern technology are popping up constantly.
"Hurricane" Sandy was just a normal nor'easter, despite fraudulent satellite photos, but had deliberate added touches like artificial flooding and unnecessary shutting down of power by utility companies. And though it was called a category 1 hurricane, the Northeast weathered those before without needing four or more years to recover!
People in numbers never before seen are suddenly going insane and murdering their entire families.
Now, lone wolf teams of "jihadists" are claimed to be ready to rise in number.
All manufactured incidents by the New World Order to make the majority willing to file into slavery in the FEMA concentration camps.

Jan 19, 2015
And, again, the question none of the quisling shills for the New World Order will answer.
Why is all this happening now?
Supposedly the hate for America was always there.
And the ideology supposedly driving them was always there.
Supposedly, it was always possible for people to band together to carry out an operation, and certainly, an individual could go out on a campaign of mass murder, especially if driven by an idea.
So why hasn't this phenomenon of these lone wolf "jihadists" or groups of "jihadists" happened before? Why is it only happening now?
It looks very much like a planned New World Order operation to intimidate the dull witted and gullible.
No one will try to answer this question. The most that will be offered is talk on a different subject altogether. And that will say everything.

Jan 19, 2015
@ryggy is the most fucking ignorant poster in the history of phys.org.
@Vietvet
@Animah
@Greenonions
@everyone else
the ONLY difference between Rygg and the above mentioned terrorists is:
What he says

That is why he states
I can support all I have said with data
never mind that said data only makes sense to him
see above and his response to Animah and everyone else

this is the phase that drives the "Overvalued Ideas" into a rote response and a type of "autonomic memory" that allows rygg to react without thought or the acknowledgement that the respondents are human, let alone equal to himself
therefore he feels "better than" everyone else because he sees "the truth" or "reality" but it is really a delusion (AKA religious devotion)

This conditioning is common among ALL cults, religious orders and terrorist organizations


Jan 19, 2015
Rational discussion destroyed by trolls... Let this thread die...

Jan 19, 2015
Why is it only happening now?

There is a Muslim in the White House?
FEMA concentration camps.

Are these like the Japanese concentration camps the 'liberals' created in the 40s?

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