Calls mount for US action against Chinese hack attacks

February 24, 2013
Customers use computers at an Internet cafe in Manila on February 1, 2013.

Calls mounted Sunday for stiffer US action against Beijing for cyber spying and massive theft of US industrial secrets, allegedly by the Chinese military.

Mike Rogers, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said it was "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the Chinese military was behind a growing wave of hacking attacks on US businesses and institutions.

"They use their military to steal intellectual property from American businesses and European businesses, repurpose it, and compete in the international market against the United States," he said.

"It's unprecedented," he said on ABC's This Week. "And I'll tell you, it's bad as I have ever seen it. It's getting worse. Why? There's no consequence for it."

In the most detailed account yet of the cyber spying, a report this week by the Mandiant said it traced back attacks by one group of hackers to a building on the outskirts of Shanghai that houses a unit of the Peoples Liberation Army.

The report said the hackers, known as "APT1" or "Comment Crew," had stolen data from at least 141 organizations across 20 industries.

Last month the and other American media outlets reported they had come under hacking attacks from China, and a US congressional report last year named the country as "the most threatening actor in ."

China has called the charges "groundless," and state media has accused Washington of scapegoating Beijing to deflect attention from US .

Eliot Engel, the top Democrat in the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said US lawmakers raised the issue with top during a recent visit to Beijing.

"And they just let it roll off their back. They pooh-pooh it. They don't admit to it," he said on ABC.

But he said it was "fundamental" to the US relationship with the Chinese.

"I think we have to make it very clear to them that this cannot be business as usual. If they're going to continue to do this to the extent that they're doing it, there's a price to pay," he said.

Rogers drew a distinction between cyber espionage to steal state secrets, which he said all states engage in, and the theft of blueprints and industrial secrets from US companies for economic reasons.

He said the United States should respond by "indicting bad actors," and suggested that Washington deny visas to individuals in China who are involved in the hacking and their families.

"I'm arguing let's start the indictment process to send a message to China that you cannot, if you want to be an international player, you can't act like a thief in the night," he said.

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4.7 / 5 (3) Feb 24, 2013
He said the United States should respond by "indicting bad actors," and suggested that Washington deny visas to individuals in China who are involved in the hacking and their families.

Oh my. I'll bet they're all just gripped in terror now!
5 / 5 (1) Feb 24, 2013
Since there is a great firewall of China why don't we just firewall any country that puts up firewalls? Quid pro quo so to speak.
5 / 5 (1) Feb 25, 2013
For a start if Australia gets attacked from someone in America, AU will contact U.S and America will track them down fast and off to jail. sick of hearing china lie non stop.

China always with then groundless and so on.

Its not the first time we have traced Chinese hackers to there army tec. second its not the first time. years ago they traced it back to Chinese military computer army tec base / network centre.

More over they have been busted lying non stop and every time they have said "groundless" .

I have herd that word used so many times. china said they would not build a aircraft Carrie, they said it was "groundless & a lie with no proof & that they 100% never would". the proof come that at the time they said it was groundless in a statement, they had already sighed the paper work to buy the aircraft Carrie to fix it up. Building attack weapons. China dismisses the allegations. Round and round we go jack.

not rated yet Feb 25, 2013
so they just lie all the time and there is proof they can not be trusted and that's 1 time from 50 big things. For 7 years now people have had there home computers hacked, and have said how Chinese people have patent there ideas. They are not just stealing gov big company patents, but also public peoples ideas to & patent them. This is a very big problem and in 50 years time, it would be like the U.S gov getting a extra income from 50% of there country's company's. This must be stopped and its clear giving them such a big market must be stopped. What they are trying to do is clear, and it threatens democracy and has a very hi risk of war within 50 years time, If that. They are trying to build up on a massive scale trying to full the west public by lying every time, even when busted lying and building weapons up. What should be said to them is answer this, reply.
not rated yet Feb 25, 2013
show them all there comments video clips of there statements of there lies on building up and so on, and there statements made that we have proof was a out right lie. Dam even when they even released a statement saying its a lie, they did what they said they would not. Them statements are a 100% lie, We have proof. Have them answer the question? no you lied every time why?, and why did you lie every time with proof showing you new it was a lie when you said it. so many lies they would not be able to answer it. Put this in every western paper and tv / news and keep repeating it once a week. let the public wake up from the dream world. They want to make there own dollar system and so many things. if not stopped there is going to be a very big war within 50 years time.
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 25, 2013
"I think we have to make it very clear to them that this cannot be business as usual. If they're going to continue to do this to the extent that they're doing it, there's a price to pay," he said.

Which is sort of hard to enforce when a sizeable amount of the US debt is owned by the Chinese.

Since there is a great firewall of China why don't we just firewall any country that puts up firewalls?

This might lead to a trade war. You don't want to get into a trade war with China. While both sides would lose in such a war China can take it MUCH more easily than the US can.

As for what to do: Get computers with sensitive data off the internet. This should include computers that are used to run infrastructure. Get them on a separate net (within a company or national nets fo infrastructure).
Don't do cloud computing.
While this doesn't make hacking impossible it makes it a great deal harder(and much more traceable).

not rated yet Mar 13, 2013
why would you downvote antialias? that's exactly what the US government does with secret info.. it's kept off the internet.. sure this may not work well with the financial sector, but a lot of infrastructure could easily run without any internet..
local networking, of course..

to answer the 'why don't we firewall them' question: It wouldnt be quid pro quo.. they firewall their own people internally.. they don't firewall the outside to them (as far as I know)

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