Ice age permafrost unearthed in Poland to help clock warming

Aug 06, 2010
The frozen river Oder is seen from a bridge between Poland and Germany in January, 2010. Permafrost dating from the end of the last Ice Age around 13,000 years ago recently discovered in Poland could prove an invaluable tool in gauging global warming, Polish geologists said on Friday.

Permafrost dating from the end of the last Ice Age around 13,000 years ago recently discovered in Poland could prove an invaluable tool in gauging global warming, Polish geologists said on Friday.

The unique discovery of pre-historic permafrost was made on Monday in a corner of north-eastern Poland bordering Lithuania, near the village of Szypliszki.

drilling at the site were astounded to find the temperature of the decreasing rather than increasing -- as is normally the case -- the deeper they went.

The core containing ancient frost is the first of its kind found in central Europe and is an invaluable source of information about the climate on the Earth tens of thousands of years ago, the Polish geologists said.

Usually, similar valuable information can be derived from ancient cores found in Antarctica or .

"It is like touching cold that is 13,000-years-old," Professor Jerzy Nawrocki, director of the Polish Geological Institute (PGI), told reporters in Warsaw on Friday.

"On August 3, our scientists noted 0.07 degrees Celsius (32.12 Fahrenheit) at a depth of 356 meters (389 yards) in an exploratory ," he said, adding the finding "confirms the hypothesis of scientists that were present in Poland".

"Our discovery is important especially in relation to present discussions about global warming," said fellow-PGI Professor Jan Szewczyk, who heads the research project.

"In order to be able to build reliable models of future climate changes, we need to have trustworthy data from the past," he said.

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nanotech_republika_pl
5 / 5 (5) Aug 06, 2010
Poor selection of picture. We are talking about permafrost not the stuff floating in rivers. And Oder (Odra) river is exactly on the opposite side of Poland from the "corner of north-eastern Poland bordering Lithuania, near the village of Szypliszki."
3432682
1 / 5 (8) Aug 07, 2010
Paleoclimatology makes a fool of global warming. The Mann Hockey Stick is contradicted by all paleoclimatic evidence. It was warmer 1,000 years ago, about the same 2,000 years ago, and significantly warmer 3,000 years ago. The average of the last 10,000 years was warmer than current temperature averages. Why do paleoclimatologists tolerate the massive lies of the IPCC? The IPCC is in direct contradiction to everything which that real field of science has found. Paleoclimatologists need to grow a spine and stand up for the truth.
treemikey
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 07, 2010
To answer 3432682's conspiracy theoristic ramblings...
It doesn't
It isn't
It wasn't globally, only regionally
Ditto
Ditto
It isn't
There aren't any to tolerate
It isn't, conspiracy theorist nutjobs disregard the actual science
paleoclimatologists indeed have spines and are 'standing up for the truth'
Now where's the stuff in grassy knolls....
R_R
1 / 5 (7) Aug 07, 2010
Don't believe a word in this article. The only fact is they found frost, of coarse they left out how deep and soil layer description ( I'd bet the ranch no normal layering). Just another example of how opinion is presented as fact to fit the current paradigm. There were no glaciers in Poland, just funding for Geologists that don't cause problems.
Question
5 / 5 (4) Aug 07, 2010
Don't believe a word in this article. The only fact is they found frost, of coarse they left out how deep and soil layer description ( I'd bet the ranch no normal layering). Just another example of how opinion is presented as fact to fit the current paradigm. There were no glaciers in Poland, just funding for Geologists that don't cause problems.

Quote from article:
"On August 3, our scientists noted 0.07 degrees Celsius (32.12 Fahrenheit) at a depth of 356 meters (389 yards) in an exploratory borehole," he said, adding the finding "confirms the hypothesis of scientists that glaciers were present in Poland".
R_R
1 / 5 (6) Aug 07, 2010
Missed that (sorry, just glanced at article because I already know why the ice is there, its not from glaciers, they've found the same in Siberia 1 mile deep where even science agrees there were no glaciers during Ice Ages). Do you not think it unusual that ice is present over 300 meters below the Earths surface. How far does the ground freeze under glaciers today? Also I would predict this frozen ground is very thick, far thicker then under any glacier today.
Caliban
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 08, 2010
@R R,

Your facts, at least as I read them, appear to be wildly at variance with the established understanding of the extent of glaciation during the most recent(and likely, former) ice ages, which most certainly saw ice sheet coverage of both Poland and Siberia. You'll want to review the literature to get a clear picture of overall extent.

Also, it should come as no surprise that the ground is frozen, and to considerable depth in northerly latitudes, since the temperature was well below freezing for many thousands of years at a time, and on many different occasions. During the current interglacial, it is to be expected that the upper portion of the ground would thaw out, as average temperatures have risen.

In Higher latitudes, the ground will remain frozen until the adiabatic heating rate with increasing depth/lithostatic pressure exceeds the melting point of water.

The fact that the sediment is so deep in the first place is due to glacial deposition.
R_R
1 / 5 (5) Aug 08, 2010
Caliban, thankyou for responding but I respectfully disagree.

The established understanding is at odds with reality and the evidence. There was a normal polar ice cap situated at Hudson Bay 12,500 years ago and Poland was too distant to be covered in ice. My research has showed all evidence for European ice cover is nothing more then opinion and other explanations better fit the evidence. Therefore a different explanation for this deep Poland ice must be advanced. Also, any litature I have read shows Siberia was not covered in ice and in fact is now covered in the frozzen remains of perhaps millions of Mammoths and Rhinos from this time, and they surely didn't live on ice. Alaska as well appears to have been ice free during this so called "Ice Age". The main ice fields were on North America untill obliteration and Pole Shift by Metoer. One of the 500 km wide impact craters is at lower right Hudson Bay, as plain as day if we plug our ears to the established understanding.
Caliban
4 / 5 (4) Aug 08, 2010
RR,

Alright, for the sake of argument, I'll grant the Hudson Pole.
However, remember that there have been significant glacial ages many, many times. These episodes seem to have accelerated in frequency, especially in the last 2-3 million years or so, and there is bound to be some carry-over from one to the next, which would, I believe, explain the frozen earth at higher latitudes. Even if the N pole was located at Hudson Bay 12.5Kya, it shifted to its present position no less than about 5Kya, because we have recorded history from that time, and surely the Egyptians/Assyrians/Sumerians would have noticed any event of that magnitude? I don't suppose that the Inundation(Ocean Displacement from Orbital/Crustal Shift)theory can be entirely dismissed, and it would be part and parcel of your model, but it had to have have happened more than 5Kya ago, at the very latest.

Please provide links to your sources/resources/fieldwork, et c, as I, for one, am very interested in seeing them.
A_Paradox
5 / 5 (1) Aug 09, 2010
If the north pole was previously within what is now called Hudson Bay, would this not show in the orientation of induced magnetisation recorded in the rocks on either side of the mid ocean seafloor spreading centres? I don't recall ever seeing any mention of that.

Also, as I understand it, a meteorite impact with sufficient kinetic energy to change the Earth's axis of rotation would have left massive amounts of evidence in the form of tektites and a distinctive layer of dust and ash in sediments all over the world. I don't remember seeing or hearing any mention of that either.
R_R
1 / 5 (3) Aug 09, 2010
Paradox, Magnetic alignment of lava was one of my first thoughts as well but turns out the alignment is to magnetic pole which is constantly on the move and fluctuates position wildly. I believe Dr Richard Firestone of Berkely Labs found tektite type evidence across North America and other very strong evidence of these impacts at the same soil level at every site he investigated. Also nanodiamonds of impact origin have been found and an Iridium layer throughout the Greenland glaciers, also the Carolina Bays all point back NW and not to mention the "eratic" boulders strewn across North America. In fact the evidence is so overwelming that when Geology says nothing extraordinary here, I feel I'm in the Twilight Zone.

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