Germany: Climate meeting 'broke the ice'

May 04, 2010 VERENA SCHMITT-ROSCHMANN , Asssociated Press Writer
International Environmental Ministers debate at the Petersberg Climate Dialogue, in Koenigswinter near Bonn, Germany, Sunday, May 2, 2010. Mexico and Germany are starting three days of meetings with 45 countries, teaming up in an effort to break a deadlock in talks for a global climate deal. (AP Photo/dapd/Hermann J. Knippertz)

(AP) -- Some 40 nations at a high-level climate meeting have made headway toward a pact to curb global warming, but the most important issues remain unresolved, Germany's environment minister said Tuesday.

Many delegates agreed that "this meeting has broken the ice and one cannot overestimate the importance of this," Norbert Roettgen said as the three-day Petersberg Dialogue co-hosted by Germany and Mexico, wrapped up. "This is a contribution to making success possible again."

Progress was made on several issues including saving the planet's forests and transferring climate technology from rich to poor countries, he said.

But the toughest issues - cutting greenhouse gas emissions, financial aid from rich to poor nations, and a method of measuring both - still need consideration, he said.

Chancellor Angela Merkel initiated this meeting of ministers from nations representing all regions of the world at the U.N. of more than 190 countries in Copenhagen in December.

Copenhagen was originally set to produce an international climate treaty, but it came up only with a political declaration - the so-called Copenhagen Accord brokered by President .

However, the Accord was dismissed by some nations, and the Copenhagen conference ended with a deep rift between industrialized nations, new economic powers China and India, and developing countries - with considerable differences also within each group.

Roettgen said the Petersberg Dialogue, in a mansion high above Koenigswinter near Bonn, had worked to overcome some of the distrust.

"This has proved to be a platform of constructive discussions," he said.

However, a Greenpeace official said the international fight against global warming is still deeply troubled.

"Fundamentally, the difficult situation we had in Copenhagen has not changed," Greenpeace climate specialist Martin Kaiser told The Associated Press.

"The United States still has no climate law, President Obama's climate policies have failed, and therefore there is no basis for an ambitious international treaty that could bring India and China on board," Kaiser said.

Kaiser said the Petersberg Dialogue demonstrated a pragmatic approach, with participants seeking to finalize individual projects to reduce greenhouse gases or help poor countries deal with the consequences of climate change such as droughts, floods, or heavy storms.

"But that won't be enough to make sure greenhouse gas emissions peak by 2015 and go down after that," Kaiser said, referring to a recommendation of scientists on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Outgoing United Nations climate chief Yvo de Boer had said Monday he did not expect the international treaty to be agreed when U.N. negotiators meet in Cancun, Mexico, in December.

Roettgen said Tuesday it remains to be seen how the negotiations will be organized for the rest of the year and if at least parts of the treaty - such as an agreement on saving forests or on technology transfers - can be agreed upon in Cancun.

Roettgen also said Germany does not rule out continuing the Kyoto Protocol after 2012 when its current obligations expire.

In that case, the U.S. and China also "have to deliver" as they are the globe's greatest polluters, he said.

The 1997 Kyoto Protocol obliges industrialized countries to cut their by 5.2 percent below 1990 levels by 2012. The U.S. has not ratified it, and China and other up-and-coming economic powers are not covered by it.

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Arkaleus
3.3 / 5 (4) May 04, 2010
In order to actualize global government, it is necessary to induce synchronized movements between formerly independent systems. From this synchronization it is possible to exercise an agenda from a central point. The longer this arrangement can be maintained, the greater control the single point has over the synchronized individuals.

The unification of global banking is greatly benefited from the monetezation of carbon, as it allows banks to directly tax the entire planet's economic activity, which is something the powers were always prevented from doing by the existence of sovereign independent states.

The outcome of this collusion and scheming is the creation of the wealth by which the future centralized dictatorship of the planet will rule.

Because of the ignorance and laziness of the peoples being conquered by this arrangement, it is unlikely that any remedy will be found before it completely overtakes the Western world.

Carefully look around you and see what rules.
croghan27
1 / 5 (1) May 05, 2010
climate change = global government??

and what are you going to do about the African in the WH? The 'death panels' from medicare? and all the illegal imigrants sneaking in from Canada?
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) May 05, 2010
Multigovernmental "rulership" won't be able to last much longer. Single governments are not capable of making fast enough or suitable enough infrastructure change to work independently any longer. So either we're going to have to change the way we do things for the species to survive and continue to grow and spread, or we need to drastically reduce our quality of life across the board.

Guess which one I'd choose.
Arkaleus
3 / 5 (2) May 05, 2010
Yes, the universal theme of climate change "solutions" is to implement a global government. This synergizes with the banking powers call for global government. The two will tie together with carbon monetezation and international taxation.

You do understand the connections and motives here, right?

Croghan27, I'm not sure what you are talking about. What's an African in the HF? Why do I care? Do Africans need to care about my local issues?

Skeptic Heretic, you sound like you need a king. Is that what Westerners need, a global king to rule without bothering with the rights of individuals or nations?

I think the real history of large governments and centralization of rule shows the exact opposite of what you think they are capable of. They fail much more spectacularly than rationally divided powers, and they seem to harm their own people more frequently than governments based on rational liberty.

Feel free to choose whatever you want, but I vote for my own nation.

Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet May 06, 2010
You do understand the connections and motives here, right?

Yes, although I think you may not understand them yourself.
Arkaleus
1 / 5 (1) May 06, 2010
Care to explain what they are for me Skeptic Heretic?
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet May 09, 2010
Technocracy.

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