New University of Washington survey explores attitudes of tea party supporters

Apr 08, 2010

(PhysOrg.com) -- The tea party movement has gotten much attention in recent months, but aside from decrying big government and excessive spending, who are the supporters and what else do they appear to believe?

A new University of Washington survey found that among whites, southerners are 12 percent more likely to support the tea party than whites in other parts of the U.S., and that conservatives are 28 percent more likely than liberals to support the group.

"The tea party is not just about politics and size of . The data suggests it may also be about race,"said Christopher Parker, a UW assistant professor of political science who directed the survey.

It found that those who are racially resentful, who believe the U.S. government has done too much to support blacks, are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who are not.

Indeed, strong support for the tea party movement results in a 45 percent decline in support for compared with those who oppose the tea party. "While it's clear that the tea party in one sense is about limited government, it's also clear from the data that people who want limited government don't want certain services for certain kinds of people. Those services include health care,"Parker said.

He directed the Multi-State Survey of Race and Politics, a broad look at race relations and politics in contemporary America. The survey reached 1,015 residents of Nevada, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia and California. All were battleground states in the 2008 with the exception of California, which was included in the survey to represent the West Coast.

The survey found that 30 percent of respondents had never heard of the tea party, but among those who had, 32 percent strongly approved of it. In that group, 56 percent of Republicans strongly approved, 31 percent of independents strongly approved and 5 percent of Democrats strongly approved.

Among whites who approved, 35 percent said they believe blacks to be hardworking, 45 percent said they believe them intelligent and 41 percent said they believe them trustworthy.

Whites who disapprove of President Barack Obama, the survey found, are 55 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who say they approve of him.

"Are we in a post-racial society? Our survey indicates a resounding no,"Parker said.

Conducted by telephone from Feb. 8 to March 15, the survey reached 494 whites, 380 blacks, 77 Latinos and 64 members of other races. The sampling error margin is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. The Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race and Sexuality and the UW Department of paid for the survey. It was conducted by the UW's Center for Survey Research.

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texanteatotaller
2.3 / 5 (4) Apr 08, 2010
Another example of getting the answers you want by asking the right questions. How dare you ask if "blacks" are hardworking, etc? Most people are, but some are not; stereotyping and lumping everyone together just skews the answers to make your victims sound as race-conscious as you are.
BirdDog
5 / 5 (2) Apr 09, 2010
So where's the link to the actual survey? I'd rather read it than have some assistant professor tell me about it.
WillB
2 / 5 (4) Apr 11, 2010
How does and I quote,

"..believe the U.S. government has done too much to support blacks, are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who are not."

have anything to do with racial resentment? Government should be minimized and abolished everywhere. Just because it means that blacks would get less money from government along with everyone else does not mean it is racist.
blyster
2.8 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2010
Come on. The Tea Party is a bunch of racists and homophobes. Why do they want to deny services to people and rights to others...FEAR. This is prejudice plain and simple.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 12, 2010
What to the black tea party members think of Obama?
A quick review of history will show those who conducted the original Boston tea party would be very ashamed of how the government they created has degenerated to such tyranny as we now have in the USA.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 12, 2010
What the tea party is all about:

"President Obama is determined to do more with government while a growing number of voters clearly want him to do less. "
http://www.washin...ng-less/
JayK
3 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2010
@marjon: All 3 of the African American teabaggers would like to have a word with you. Now go away again.
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 12, 2010
@marjon: All 3 of the African American teabaggers would like to have a word with you. Now go away again.

Always with the vulgar insults. That seems to be SOP for 'tolerant' 'liberals'.
texanteatotaller
3 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2010
blyster, you wish the Tea Party was something so easy to dismiss. We (and I know that 98 percent of Tea Party "members" would agree) want liberty and justice for all. The fear we feel is that if progressivism "progresses" NOBODY will have the opportunities we had in America.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 12, 2010
you wish the Tea Party was something so easy to dismiss

The supporters of big government socialism can't win a majority so they must must try to bully those who oppose them.
That is certainly not how science is supposed to advance.
JayK
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 12, 2010
There was a vulgar insult in my post? Please point it out so I can remember to do it again.

Socialism is the prevailing form of economic theory across the first-world nations. America is really the only nation holding back because of bootstrappy marjon-Palin-Amurkins.
texanteatotaller
2 / 5 (4) Apr 12, 2010
JayK: Don't worry, you'll think of something!
I'd rather live here than in any of those Socialist "first-world" countries. And I have friends here in Texas who came from several of those countries, because they feel the same way I do.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 12, 2010
Good for you! Now ignore the all the inconvenient facts about America and socialism so you feel better, OK? I really wouldn't want you to feel bad when you learn that American governance and economy is based on socialism and capitalism with touches of other -isms, because that might bother you.
texanteatotaller
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
I'm fine, JayK, but thanks for your concern!
You should write a book called "Inconvenient Facts" so I can ignore them all at once :)
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
Dallas Tea Party: "Core Values

* Fiscal Responsibility
* Constitutionally Limited Government
* Free Markets

"
http://www.teapar...81d52b37
That is their attitude.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
Yeah, marjon, the racism is just icing.

Who is going to actually say "we're a bunch of white guys that like guns and we're proudly xenophobic?" You can claim anything you want, but the reality is pretty apparent to the rest of us.
marjon
1 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
Yeah, marjon, the racism is just icing.

Who is going to actually say "we're a bunch of white guys that like guns and we're proudly xenophobic?" You can claim anything you want, but the reality is pretty apparent to the rest of us.

The obvious racists are those in the current administration and media who continue to cry racism when anyone disagrees with them.
The census form has multiple questions about race. I checked 'other' and wrote in 'human'. Why does the government need to know if I am or am not Hispanic (not a race btw) or any other race?
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
Yeah, you really stuck it to the man! You're a rebel.

So you always do what Sarah Palin tells you to?
JayK
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
Yep, no racism in this teabagging party:

http://tpmmuckrak...ic_e.php

And definitely none here:

http://www.dayton...303.html

They're not racist, they're just "proud of their white heritage."
texanteatotaller
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
I am proud of my American heritage, and I wish the same for all Americans. Yes, I know American history; despite our faults and failings, this is the greatest nation in history, and I welcome everyone who believes in the American Dream. The only way America will fail is if someone "fundamentally transforms" it from the inside.
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
Yeah, you really stuck it to the man! You're a rebel.

So you always do what Sarah Palin tells you to?

Please defend the racist policies of the current administration.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
Please defend the racist policies of the current administration.


No. You're trying to deflect from the issue and the article. In fact, I'd say you're also projecting.
marjon
1 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
"I began by explaining that Obama's racism against whites is upfront, in-your-face racism, which he discussed in his book Dreams from My Father:

I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.

I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."
"Obama's first racist act as president was to remove the voucher program that Bush had established in D.C., a program that Democrats vote against overwhelmingly. This program was producing proven positive results, but it was eliminated -- and black children in D.C. were relegated to socialized schools in crime and drug-infested neighborhoods. Simply put, why give black children the choice to opt out of the indoctrination? "
http://www.americ...ist.html
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
Please defend the racist policies of the current administration.


No. You're trying to deflect from the issue and the article. In fact, I'd say you're also projecting.

YOU are the one playing the race card. Now you don't want to play when you have a bad hand?
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
No, the article is about how the teabaggers are racist. The articles I posted show evidence on how the teabaggers are racist. Your trying to turn the tables is nothing more than deflection and projection, and in many ways you're silently accepting the charge.
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
"The first black president's policies marginalize blacks. It is the cruelest sort of racism, as it robs blacks of hope instead of inspiring it. Blacks were left with the hope that Obama would redistribute money from creators of wealth to those who would gladly take something for nothing."
"Is Obama a racist? Of course he is! But as I say about racists, most just need to see what the other side is like. Obama knows conservatism only anecdotally, as he has never had a conservative friend. He understands only one side -- the racist radical side. This is why sanity appears to be radical to him, why patriots are persecuted and achievers neutered.

A true conservative would never befriend a person like Obama. Obama needs to be surrounded by sycophants and suckups, or radical leaders he can admire. "
http://www.americ...ist.html
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
'The only supposed evidence of white-on-black racism at a tea party that MSNBC was able to find was a man carrying a gun at an Arizona Obama rally. But, wait, MSNBC cut off the man’s head with a photo editing software. That Second Amendment fan was actually black.'
http://biggovernm...e-shark/
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
Did you even read the article you're commenting on, marjoke? Did you read the articles I posted showing racism from tea-party leaders and candidates? Obviously not, since it wouldn't agree with your conceptions and might actually challenge your beliefs. Go away.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
Dan Rather:
(Obama) "couldn't sell watermelons if you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."
http://www.foxnew...s-obama/
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
Did you even read the article you're commenting on, marjoke? Did you read the articles I posted showing racism from tea-party leaders and candidates? Obviously not, since it wouldn't agree with your conceptions and might actually challenge your beliefs. Go away.


Did you read the articles I posted showing racism from Obama? Obviously not, since it wouldn't agree with your conceptions and might actually challenge your beliefs.
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
"Voters and taxpayers are going to show up tomorrow and keep doing what we’ve been doing for a year now: Make arguments and ask questions. How do the economics of Obamacare make sense? Who’s going to pay the $3 trillion in new debt? Why should we tell our enemies in advance when we will or won’t use nukes?"
"And the left will keep responding with insults instead of answers. But at least they’re entertaining. There’s nothing funnier than a liberal protesting right-wing hate by waving a “Palin Is A Nazi B**ch” sign."
http://www.boston...icleFull
texanteatotaller
3 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
JayK: I don't know your poster bigots or anyone like them. I know hundreds of patriotic Americans who are cheering for the Tea Party.
JayK
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
You're new here, texanteabagger, so I'm going to give you a helpful hint if you want to actually make your posts somewhat useful: Anecdotal evidence is useless. Take your personal stories and post them on your facebook page. The statistics from this and other studies shows that the teabagger movement originates and exists because of white-pride and racial enmity. If you actually had some sort of poll or something that backed up your assertions that the teabaggers don't hate minorities, then you might have something to your personal anecdotes. As it is, you're playing with marjon, a homophobic racist that is a wannabe troll on this site. Not exactly a strong position to be playing defense from.
texanteatotaller
2.6 / 5 (5) Apr 13, 2010
JayK: I know the rules; your anecdotes count, my personal knowledge doesn't. I don't know your poster bigots or anyone like them. I know hundreds of patriotic Americans who are cheering for the Tea Party.
JayK
3 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
See, texasteabagger, if you start from a position where the data backs you up, anecdotes are somewhat useful to defend the data. When you start with nothing, and you try to use anecdotal data, you still have nothing.

Oh, and read the article before commenting or you will continue to look like a fool, or marjon, whichever one is worse. I'm not sure anymore.

http://news.yahoo...ord_feud
Skeptic_Heretic
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
The TEA Party protestors as a group are not racist.

There may be individual racists within their ranks but I'm fairly sure that can be said of all political movements.

And JayK, there's zero evidence of the assertions in that article. There's a reward for a video or audio recording, up to 100k now I think, and NO ONE has one.

In this day and age of instant cellphone pictures and videos no one has any evidence of that incident.
JayK
3 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
Until such time as there is proof that they didn't scream racist epithets, and there is plenty of first hand accounts that claim there were, then the evidence actually points to the epithets being yelled.

And when the statistics say that the majority of teabagger party people are racists, and that aligns with their origins and a lot of anecdotal evidence? I'd say you're playing defense, just like texasteabagger and majoke.
Skeptic_Heretic
2 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
Until such time as there is proof that they didn't scream racist epithets, and there is plenty of first hand accounts that claim there were, then the evidence actually points to the epithets being yelled.
There are plenty that say it didn't as well.

If the leadership of Iran told you that the holocaust didn't happen are you going to take their word for it?

Secondly, the statistics say no such thing. Get your head out of your ass and stop listening to other people's opinions on the topic and find out the facts yourself.
blyster
5 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
I don't have a problem with Tea Party values. I have a problem with conservatives who wear blinders or those with hidden agendas. First let me say I do not want Obama's health care plan. I agree it's bad. But definitely not for the same reason the Tea Party says. First of all I want a government take over of health care. I think a government agency, with no care about profits and bonus amounts, can work better plans than any FOR PROFIT health care company. FOR PROFIT and health care is an oxymoron and should not exist in a country as rich as this. Anyone who denies that is either making a lot money on FOR PROFIT health care or not intelligent enough to see the problems it creates. I bet most Tea Party people are on the money side (hidden agendas).
marjon
1 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
The government can't run a railroad or a post office. Why would you trust your health them?
Profit motive has driven down the cost of Lasik eye surgery and raised its quality.
If there were no profit in MRI machines, no one would make them efficiently.
Why should anyone want to be a doctor if he could not be compensated?
"“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest” "
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
"Proponents of the new health-care law say it does attempt to address the physician shortage. The law offers sweeteners to encourage more people to enter medical professions, and a 10% Medicare pay boost for primary-care doctors."
"Teaching hospitals rely heavily on Medicare funding to pay for these slots. In 1997, Congress imposed a cap on funding for medical residencies, which hospitals say has increasingly hurt their ability to expand the number of positions."
http://online.wsj...wsSecond
Don't worry government will fix it. Oh, wait, government is causing the problem.
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 13, 2010
"Obama claimed Americans shouldn't be afraid of a government insurance company -- the public option -- competing against private insurers, because even though the government has vastly more resources than any individual company, "You've got a lot of private companies who do very well competing against the government -- UPS and FedEx are doing a lot better than the Post Office."
"Here Obama was, trying to promote a huge expansion of government involvement in the health system, and he pointed to a sprawling, unresponsive and insanely expensive government bureaucracy."

http://www.washin...679.html
blyster
4.2 / 5 (5) Apr 13, 2010
Poor doctors may have to settle for a $500,000 house instead of the $1 million house. I don't think government run health care reduces the profitability of companies creating medical equipment. the majority of medical equipment research is government funded. Should that be stopped so there's no appearance of government takeover of health research? Come up with a better arguement than the typical less government BS.
marjon
1 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
Come up with a better arguement than the typical less government BS.[/q
Prove the government can operate any enterprise efficiently.
Even Obama admits the free market is better than the government.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
The TEA Party has only 4 demands.

1) Reduction in government spending
2) Tax code reform
3) Fair regulation of markets
4) Civil liberty for all

Anything else you've heard is either a left side or right side spin.
JayK
2 / 5 (4) Apr 13, 2010
Don't forget the 5th demand!

Obama still hasn't produced that birth certificate.

http://hotair.com...vention/
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Apr 13, 2010
Don't forget the 5th demand!

Obama still hasn't produced that birth certificate.

http://hotair.com...vention/

Not a TEA Party stance, some of the TEA Party affiliates are retarded. Can you say there are any political groups free of such malady? Thanks for parroting Keith Olberfurhermann, but the rst of us know you don't setup a newsprint announcement of birth 44 years ahead of time on the off chance that you might be the first black president.

If you read the article, the TEA party people actually called the whole Birther parts of the speech puerile and inaccurate.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
@JayK,

I'm not trying to be difficult here but you have to recognize the parallels between this and the Republican defiling of the Libertarian movement in the 80's.

I woke up February 10th 2010 to find out that I was a right-wing, religous zealot, bent on hostile overthrow of the American way of life.

But on February 9th, when I went to sleep, and all through my life prior, I was considered a law abiding, tax paying citizen.

Other than the administration, what changed?
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
Sorry, SH, but you have to live with the nuts that you've associated yourself with. If you want to be a teabagger, rather than an individual, then you made the choice. Just remember, you're on the same side as an ignoramus like marjon on this.

I think you're a fool, and I think you ignore the reality of the movement you follow at your own peril.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
you have to live with the nuts that you've associated yourself with.

As will you J. Your nuts want to turn the USA into the United Socialist States of America.
Libertarians respect your right to life and property if you respect theirs.
texanteatotaller
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
JayK: You call me and my friends nuts when you don't even know us. I will happily live and work with them to try to save our country. If I meet a bigot or a hate-monger on my side, I will remonstrate with them as I have tried to remonstrate with you.
JayK
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 14, 2010
Hey, all the evidence I need that the teabaggers are crazy nuts can be seen in Michelle Bachmann, star teabagger. She makes your Sarah Palins, Ron Pauls and Jon Voights look sane and measured.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
JayK,

I think you need to take a long look in the mirror and determine where these preconceptions came from.

Then maybe you should attend a TEA Party meeting and see how the reality matches up to your slander.

Your repeat use of the term "Teabagger" betrays your stance of being "open minded".

Since you look at the statements of only a few people and determine the intent of the whole let me ask you this:

"Should I assume that the Democrat party is lining up to hang every black man and woman from a tree? Democrat Senator Byrd was a Grand Dragon in the KKK. After all, you must all be like him, you're all democrats."

This is the type of logic you're employing, and as you can see, it's a very bad stance to take if you are actually interested in reason as opposed to what the talking heads from the MSM make you repeat.
texanteatotaller
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
JayK: In other words, you don't need evidence because you've already made up your mind that we are nuts. That's not very rational.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
Teabagger what the term used by the original tea party. It sums up my feelings towards them perfectly.

Michelle Bachmann IS the voice of the tea party in the NE and across the US. She's the one organizing and firing people up. I would compare Michelle Bachmann's IQ to a turnip if I didn't think the turnips have a better chance of making sense.

Then there is the TeaBagging Party solution to all problems: tax cuts. Sorry, after 8 years of that "solution" not working I'm pretty sick and tired of it. The Teabaggers don't deserve respect, they're a momentary blip that is keeping the attention of a limited range of demographic that is both imminently violent and terminally stupid, a very dangerous mixture that will go up like a hydrogen balloon to a flame, and I'm really looking forward to it.

Oh, and I haven't even mentioned Glenn Beck, his sweater and Oligarhy yet.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
texasteabagger: you haven't offered evidence. You've offered anecdotes. The article and the study mentioned is evidence. What you have is a nice story to try to make yourself feel better.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
The Teabaggers don't deserve respect, they're a momentary blip that is keeping the attention of a limited range of demographic that is both imminently violent and terminally stupid, a very dangerous mixture that will go up like a hydrogen balloon to a flame, and I'm really looking forward to it.

As I thought, you're uninterested in talking with anyone about anything that might be contrary to your preconception as delivered by media talking heads. I can't detract from your views simply because I don't share them. I can only offer the advice I've put above. If you choose to disregard it that is your choice, but I think you're missing out.
marjon
1 / 5 (3) Apr 14, 2010
Hey, all the evidence I need that the teabaggers are crazy nuts can be seen in Michelle Bachmann, star teabagger. She makes your Sarah Palins, Ron Pauls and Jon Voights look sane and measured.

This is typical of those who consider themselves educated, but have some type of inferiority complex.
A CBS show called the Amazing Race has teams racing around the world. This season, a lesbian couple were continuously calling others in the race stupid. One was a young male/female couple who were both models. The lesbians were not even very nice to each other. But, they were recently eliminated in part to their attitude.
This attitude prevails among those 'educated' 'liberal' 'elites'. Karma is a bi*ch.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
, after 8 years of that "solution" not working

What tax cuts?
Let's follow the CA model, raise taxes, kill businesses, attract cheap illegal immigrant labor, increase the number of government employees and boost their pensions.
And Los Angeles is contemplating bankruptcy.
http://www.latime...8.column
Anyone remember Robocop? That movie portrayed a decaying Detroit. They were not far from the truth.
texanteatotaller
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 14, 2010
JayK: You don't understand. I feel fine and I am part of many positive things in my community. You reinforce my beliefs by your baseless accusations; even this obviously "progressive" study doesn't come to the conclusions that you're trumpeting here.
texanteatotaller
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 14, 2010
JayK: Some of my best friends have worn sweaters.
I don't know Michelle Bachman, but from what I've seen on TV, the Democratic senator from her state makes her look rational and even diplomatic. How immature does Al Franken have to be to write a book that labels his far-more-successful competitor a "big fat idiot."
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
Yeah, you really have no clue about Al Franken, do you? That really makes it clear you don't really understand much about the teabaggers, except your little perception.

Oh, and SH, you might have a point if I ever watched the news or talking heads. I listen to Beck and Hannity, I've paid attention to the Teabagging leaders, and they're all pretty clueless and ignorant, or they're playing all of you for clueless and ignorant. Bachmann doesn't have the brainpower to play anything over 8 bits, though.

So this is a "progressive" study and that's how you'll ignore it, huh texasteabagger? Nice to know.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Apr 14, 2010
JayK, if you had any sort of a reasonable information you'd know that the TEA Party doesn't have any leaders, especially not Beck or Hannity.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
Marjon, your homophobia is showing again. Do I have to remind everyone how you want all HIV positive homosexuals locked up?
http://www.physor...812.html

Besides, what does your story have to do with the price of dildos in Tijuana?

Just remember, all, that I view marjon's stupidity as right in line with the rest of the teabaggers, on average. I don't really care if you agree with me or not.

SH: HAHAHA, yeah, it's really grassroots. HAHAHA
texanteatotaller
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
JayK: I read things like this study, but I take them with a grain of salt when I see a progressive slant. I ignore things like the links you suggested. Is Al Franken one of your heroes?
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
To the editors:
The term used by JK to describe tea party members is vulgar and offensive and does not belong on a blog that may strive to be professional.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
SH: HAHAHA, yeah, it's really grassroots. HAHAHA


Like I said, the only person who can persuade you of anything contrary to what you hold as truth is you. You've made that quite clear. I'm not here to convince you of anything, but I will call a spade a spade when it comes to the reality of the situation.

marjon: Turn the other cheek. Thought you already knew that one.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
Absolutely Al Franken is one of my heroes. Have you seen him lecture Republicans on the Constitution? Are you aware of his education and his capabilities or are you basing everything you know about him from FreeRepublic or some other blog? If you perhaps were able to judge him on what he's done as a Senator you might have a point, but you don't.

On top of it, given your lack of history on this site, I'd have to believe you have no scientific or mathematic basis for your conclusions about this study, except that it doesn't agree with your teabagger values. You admitted as much, which makes you about as useful as a wart, or marjon.
JayK
3 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
Origination of the term was from Republicans, marjon:

"Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You."

Look it up, you lazy twit.
Skeptic_Heretic
3.4 / 5 (5) Apr 14, 2010
Yeah I think picking on Franken is the wrong track to take here. There's no one senator that can be singled out for anything, the overall culture of Washington is becomming sick on both sides of the aisle. Franken has nothing to do with that, (and he was probably the best and most overqualified writer that SNL ever had). Aside from that, I've read all of his books, they're on target.

I may not agree with his social views, but that's jsut a disagreement. It doesn't make the man evil. I think all of you are wrong in that method of derision.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Apr 14, 2010
Oh look, a 4 because I agree with you, but I'm still a TEA Partier so that precludes a 5.

I don't think anyone here is a member other than myself. Marjon, you certainly aren't as you're preaching the restriction of civil rights for gays.

Texas, you're too new so I can't pass judgement

JayK, well, we know you aren't in the party. You've made that plain.

This is why you're wrong, JayK. You confuse the Religous right with the right of center independent, and the media did too.
JayK
2.7 / 5 (3) Apr 14, 2010
I gave your post a 4 because I didn't think it was up to your standard quality, stop whining about it.

I'm not in any party. I hate the spineless D's, I'm tired of the fearmongering and "NO!" of the R's and the tea party is just trying to use the economic climate and the political chaos to force their views into the mainstream. Unfortunately a bunch of isolated incidences of racism, bigotry, stupidity, ignorance and homophobia have hurt the brand of of the Tea Party (forever, in my opinion) and their misuse of emotional triggers really makes me irritable. On top of it, they keep saying they have a lot of guns, and they seek to "redefine" the government, which edges towards sedition and/or treason.

As I've said before, though, I'm more of an anarchist. I don't want the teabaggers to go away, I want them to actually go through with their threats. At the very least it will be entertaining for a small amount of time.
JayK
1 / 5 (1) Apr 14, 2010
Origin of the term "Tea Bag" as explained on a right-wing site:

http://nrd.nation...OWJmNDE=
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
you're preaching the restriction of civil rights for gays.

I have done no such thing and I have explained my position on marriage many times: if the state recognized marriage, then the state, via the democratic process, must define marriage. MA judges decided marriage was a civil rights issue, therefore, there can be no logical reason for any state to reject polygamy.
My preference is for the government to disregard marriage and leave it to religion.
If if license is required from the state, it cannot be a civil right.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
"but mainly the word is a putdown from the left. Conservatives realize that nothing friendly is meant by it. You can tell by tone and context, for one thing. (Or is that two things?) Of course, some people use �teabagger� in innocence � unaware of any vulgar connotation."
http://nrd.nation...OWJmNDE=

Jay is no innocent.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
A profile of those who hate the tea parties:
""I follow Twitter for the Tea Party and just show up to f*** with them." http://thehill.co...ith-them
"Democrats are engaged in a statewide search for liberal activists willing to attend so-called tea parties on Thursday and carry signs expressing racist or fringe sentiments,"
Who are the racists?
http://www.nowham...hers’/
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Apr 14, 2010
On top of it, they keep saying they have a lot of guns, and they seek to "redefine" the government, which edges towards sedition and/or treason.

That's never been said. We work within the government, not via violent overthrow of it.

And anarchist? Please. You're no more an anarchist than I am a holocaust survivor. Again, you confuse the "militia-man" far right with the right of center TEA Party. You're a state capitalist, just like our current administration and their predecessor.
texanteatotaller
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
JayK: Is Free Republic something I should check out? Thanks for the tip.
I have never seen Al Franken say anything intelligent, although I have heard that he was good on SNL. I have heard some astounding drivel on Air America, I have seen sound bites on television of him throwing childish tantrums, and I have seen the cover of his book. In other words, I know more about him than you know about the Tea Party.
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
"Bill Maher and Chris Matthews, on Wednesday's Hardball, denigrated Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann as merely "attractive" women with very little smarts

Read more: http://newsbuster...l7wcFpfB
"
It's ok for 'liberals' to be intolerant and attack women? Where are the N.O.W. protests of rage?
And where is the ridicule for a democrat congressman who is worried Guam will capsize if too many Navy personnel are assigned there?
http://www.redsta...ip-over/
texanteatotaller
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 14, 2010
If anyone is interested in a scientific poll, check out "Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated" By KATE ZERNIKE and MEGAN THEE-BRENAN of the New York Times. This is not a "friendly" poll, and I think the article has a decidedly negative spin. But at least it's TRYING to seem factual (are you willing to learn, JayK?)
My main problem with the story is that it implies that the Tea Party is against the poor and minorities. I know that I am NOT!!!
I believe that "You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich," and "You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred." I believe in showing respect and compassion to all who have not specifically and individually shown themselves unworthy. I believe that government handouts show neither virtue.
PinkElephant
4 / 5 (2) Apr 14, 2010
For all interested (including all of you "tea party", "libertarian", and "anarchist" types), I would implore you to check out this attempt at a fundamental reform movement:

http://www.swarmu...tent.php

It is non-partisan, policy-oriented, highly principled, extremely well-defined, and as far as I'm concerned: it's just what the doctor ordered for this country. Read about it, and join in! Disclosure: I'm a member.
marjon
1 / 5 (1) Apr 15, 2010
the Tea Party is against the poor and minorities

How does the government taking more money from the economy help to create more opportunities for all? (All includes minorities and poor.)
marjon
1 / 5 (2) Apr 15, 2010
Pinkie, the Swarm is very short on method, high on hype. Is it significant they choose a hive insect?
"The premise of Freedom's vision is to take back the money power and return it to the people and to Congress where it belongs. "
Do they support free market money? Couldn't tell.
I don't trust an organization that (1) a socialist like Pinkie supports, (2) that uses a hive insect as a their mascot and (3) is very short on detail and high on hype.
They could at least propose an amendment to end the Federal Reserve if they were serious.
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
@PE: They're effectively the same thing as the TEA party except their focus is on the banks while the TEA party focuses on political corruption.

Two halves of the same whole.
PinkElephant
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
@marjon,

You ought to read before you blurt. They do in fact propose getting rid of Federal Reserve. And they are all about market economy. It's astonishing you weren't able to find it, as it's prominent right on the front page, but here's the link to the short version of the platform:

http://www.swarmu...Nutshell

Follow the links therein for more in-depth exposition...

@Skeptic_Heretic,

Freedom's Vision includes anti-corruption measures as well. It does recognize that currently, the political infrastructure has been captured by out-of-control banking interests. Without addressing fiscal reform, you can't really fix the corruption problem: the two go hand-in-hand.

This group is considerably more inclusive than the TEA party. For example, it will support anyone who gets behind Freedom's Vision: be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, TEA, or whoever. It is not partisan by nature, and you can join it while keeping your party.
marjon
1 / 5 (1) Apr 15, 2010
political infrastructure has been captured by out-of-control banking interests.

The way to fix the corruption is to limit the power of the government. Swarm has no such platform nor does it advocate for a return to Constitutional government.
I don't trust them as there are ample opportunities for them to work with other groups to do what they claim.
marjon
1 / 5 (1) Apr 15, 2010
"RUDDERLESS "pursuit of happiness" has led to a nation lacking in national direction, one where greed and the pursuit of paper profits dominates over the quest for knowledge, social and economic advancement, the arts, and the ability to produce tangible technologies and products. "
http://www.swarmu...s-Vision
Reason not to trust. They use the bee for a reason. It has a leader, drones and workers, not free, independent individuals. Swarm does not want individuals. It was followers.
PinkElephant
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
You jump to fatuous conclusions with such hair-trigger gusto, I think for you a more suitable metaphor would be the flea.
JayK
1 / 5 (2) Apr 15, 2010
I read the poll, texasteabagger, and it comes to the same conclusion, against poor and minorities and decidedly white. That's what this poll determined as well, you just weren't able to read it because it had too many big words, I assume.

I find it hilarious that the "platforms" for these reformations are competing for memes, not for logic. No one is against the Constitution. No one will actually admit they are against equal rights. No one group is more "patriotic" than another, but the right code words are all used to denigrate others and create division between people that usually do share very common values. The Teabagging Party is just the latest to capitalize on a bad economic state by using the same tactics as Joe McCarthy (a great man, right marjoke?).

Have they done a poll on gun ownership of the tea party, yet? It wouldn't be surprising to anyone familiar with their brand of secessionist talk.
Javinator
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
American politics is definitely a spectator sport.

*munches on popcorn*
texanteatotaller
3 / 5 (2) Apr 15, 2010
JayK: I reject the conclusion that the Tea Party is "against poor and minorities." I plead guilty to being "decidedly white" myself (but I welcome anyone who shares the American Dream). How you can stretch that criticism to "imminently violent and terminally stupid" racists is amzing to me, and destroys any credibility you might have had.
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
Ok, JayK

Let's look at your evidence:

"Candidates have sent and received racist emails"
"People may or may not have used racial slurs, (and there's no evidence of it)"
"Everyone who I listen to says you are"

Yep, that's some really strong logic.

@PE
This group is considerably more inclusive than the TEA party. For example, it will support anyone who gets behind Freedom's Vision: be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, TEA, or whoever. It is not partisan by nature, and you can join it while keeping your party.

TEA Party includes all comers, which is probably where the perception of racism is comming from.

41% of TEA partiers are Independent or Democrat. It's wholly representative of the populace at large in that regard when it comes to percentages.

They're both after the same things, the focus is only slightly shifted.
marjon
1 / 5 (1) Apr 15, 2010
You jump to fatuous conclusions with such hair-trigger gusto, I think for you a more suitable metaphor would be the flea.

Trust but verify. No verification, no trust.
PinkElephant
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
@Skeptic_Heretic,
41% of TEA partiers are Independent or Democrat. It's wholly representative of the populace at large
You're being mislead, not surprisingly. See here:

http://thehill.co...or-indie

Quoting:
The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic
That isn't "wholly representative" at all.

They're also strongly partisan. For instance, they profess powerful anti-Obama/anti-Democrat feelings. Sarah Palin speaks routinely at their conventions, but not any liberal speakers as far as I'm aware. They're being lavishly covered and even coordinated by some clearly right-wing players, not least FOX and its various talking heads.

By contrast, the American Party PAC is a PAC, not a party. Some of its goals may be similar to TEA party platform, to some extent, but I wouldn't say it's all the same thing.
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
The TEA party isn't a party either as there's no leadership, no organization, no primary. It's a PAC.

As for the division of the country by political ideology 40% consider themselves conservative, 20% consider themselves liberal, 36% independent. Pretty close when you consider ideology to party stance.

As for their speakers, Yesterday, Libertarian Todd Feinberg was their biggest ticket speaker other than Palin. Most of the speakers are Paul style republicans or independents. Palin and Bachmann are just the two most closely followed by the press.
PinkElephant
not rated yet Apr 15, 2010
I wouldn't confuse Democrats with liberals. Of the 13% in the TEA party that are Democrats, I'd wager far less than 20% are liberal -- for a total liberal quotient of somewhere under 2.5%... Among Independents, again I'll guess the vast majority are disenchanted former Republicans, who disassociated themselves from the party when Bush spread his wings. This is my impression, since from what media reports I've seen, the prevailing TEA sentiment is to support the Republican party, if only the RINOs were kicked off to the curb. IOW, TEA party is dominated by old-style Republican purists, in the vein of Ross Perot.

But anyway, the AP PAC would happily invite and ally with any other group, partisan or not, as long as they support the Freedom's Vision platform. It is an attempt to transcend partisanship and cut through the BS, to address the underlying and worsening problems with the power structure and policy direction in this country.
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Apr 16, 2010
I think you're confusing a few things.

You're not seperating state capitalists from the respective parties.

The Republicans in congress are not republicans, they're state capitalists. Our current democrats in office are largely also state capitalists.

Most individuals in this country are not state capitalists, the TEA party is anti state capitalist, and anticorporatist (the business backed state capitalist machine). TEA and AP PAC would get along quite well.
marjon
1 / 5 (1) Apr 17, 2010
The TEA party isn't a party either as there's no leadership, no organization, no primary. It's a PAC.

As for the division of the country by political ideology 40% consider themselves conservative, 20% consider themselves liberal, 36% independent. Pretty close when you consider ideology to party stance.

As for their speakers, Yesterday, Libertarian Todd Feinberg was their biggest ticket speaker other than Palin. Most of the speakers are Paul style republicans or independents. Palin and Bachmann are just the two most closely followed by the press.

Feinberg has a great radio show every morning on WRKO with a JFK democrat who is a former MA speaker of the house and a convicted felon.