'Christians airbrushed women out of history'

Aug 12, 2013

A band of forgotten women were hugely influential in the rise of Christianity, a five-year study has found.

But Professor Kate Cooper, from The University of Manchester, says their contribution has been neglected by the mainstream churches in a new book out this month.

The study identifies dozens of forgotten Christian who were influential in the first and second centuries, during a period when Christianity was - in some respects - more progressive towards women than today.

According to Professor Cooper, women played a central role in spreading the new Christian faith through informal friendship and family networks.

Their authority within Christian communities was earned through their role as parents, community organizers, and .

One, Lydia the Purple-seller of Philippi remembered in the Bible's Book of Acts, was the first person to sponsor St Paul.

Another woman, Perpetua, who lived in Carthage at the end of the second century, was famous at the time for refusing to denounce her faith, choosing martyrdom against her father's wishes.

Her diary, written while she awaited execution in prison, was a radical document which would be seen in today's world as extreme and very unlike the official Christian views of what the Christian woman should be, says Professor Cooper.

One of the most important, she says, is Thecla of Iconium, believed by second century Christians to have been one of St Paul's disciples.

Referring to the 'Acts of Paul and Thecla', an anonymous second century text, Professor Cooper shows how Thekla rebelled against her family to refuse marriage - an unthinkable act at the time.

"Though there is no certain evidence that Thecla existed, her story was hugely influential in the first few hundred years of early Christianity," said Professor Cooper.

"The influence of her story was far-reaching, in that it became the root of the Catholic theology of chastity and virginity.

"Every major Christian male writer in the fourth century had a sister, and these young women were encouraged to follow Thecla's example. Rather than criticizing her for disobeying her mother, the early Church celebrated her courage.

"Christianity was quite revolutionary in the way it treated its women, especially when you realise how sexist the ancient world was.

"So it's sad that Thecla and her contemporaries are not properly remembered and honoured today. They should be an inspiration: for example to the people campaigning for women bishops and priests."

Women, says Professor Cooper, regularly preached the gospel in the first two centuries of Christianity, and in some communities women carried out baptisms.

It wasn't until the Roman Emperor Constantine's conversion to Christianity, in around 313 AD, the religion became institutionalised: male bishops were now government officials and women came to be seen as players in the background rather than public figures.

Professor Cooper added: "These women – saints who had a radical and powerful presence in the early church – have been hidden in plain sight.

"Many Gospel stories, for example – such as the story of Mary and Martha in the Gospel of Luke – can tell us far more about women's role if we stop to pay close attention – something male writers have not done.

"The ancient sources mention the women, but over time less and less attention was given to their role. Really, they have been airbrushed out of history.

"It is quite sad that a religion which began with a mother and her wonderful baby should still have so much difficulty with remembering to honour the contribution of its women."

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Lurker2358
2.1 / 5 (21) Aug 12, 2013
People who actually read the Bible know this stuff, but you are correct, it is mostly ignored in church sermons and writings.

It's not all about sexism though.

You also left out Phoebe, who is described as being a "Deaconess"(Diakonia).

I think we should also point out that Constantine remained a pagan, or at least an idolator, even after his alleged conversion, which is as good a reason as any to consider that the Bible is not entirely authentic. For example, they basically took soemthing like a couple hundred books and letters, and threw away about half of them.

The least they could have done is keep them all just for record's sake, but there was probably some political agenda at stake anyway: keep what strengthens a politically controlled church, and throw away whatever may undermine or hinder the political system.

Since Rome and Greece were very much sexist, it makes sense that they ended up with keeping mostly sexist books, but that's not the authors' faults. Its hypocrisy.
orti
2.1 / 5 (20) Aug 12, 2013
It seems to me that the article struggles to find controversy where there is none. Women have always been prominent in both the old and new testaments – e.g. Ruth and Esther and Mary being the first to spread the Gospel (He is risen).
Only later when Christianity was institutionalized and converted to a quasi religion complete with statuary and priesthood hierarchy were some of Paul's writings misrepresented to suppress the role of women. In a way, similar to what is happening in academia, where Professor Cooper resides, today.
And, so, we have a tired victimology passed off by the professor and phys.org as academic study.
WendyLady
1.4 / 5 (22) Aug 12, 2013
In the Orthodox and Catholic faiths, women saints have certainly NOT been "hidden in plain sight", thank God. How sad that many of them have been forgotten by the Protestant mainstream!

As an Orthodox Christian, I am continually thankful that the women saints you mention (and many more) are emulated (by adults and children) in our church everyday! All of our saints - women and men - are each recognized on their own special "feast days".

Gillian Bradshaw has written several entertaining historical novels, set during the time of the early church and featuring strong women characters, if any of your readers are interested.

And in reply to the previous commenter: thank goodness for Constantine, St. Athanasius, and other early church fathers for fighting heresies and giving us the N.T. Canon of Scripture! Many were martyred - for Truth, not politics!!! You present a one-sided look at Constantine - try another from Fr. Alexander Schmemann's "Historical Road of Eastern Orthodoxy".
rug
1.1 / 5 (16) Aug 12, 2013
[qwhere Professor Cooper resides, today
Would that be Sheldon Cooper? Man I love that show!
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.9 / 5 (17) Aug 12, 2013
Constantine remained a pagan, or at least an idolator, even after his alleged conversion, which is as good a reason as any to consider that the Bible is not entirely authentic
IOW fudged, adulterated, cobbled together from the plagiarized, rehashed myths of precursor religions.

But it still claims to be absolute truth written by a perfect god. How can you possibly reconcile these things lurker? It SAYS it is the truth but it most obviously is not.

Re the article, the relegation of women to the sole purpose of making and raising children until it kills them is central to the strategy of outgrowing and overrunning your enemies and to replacing battle losses faster than they. This is why todays religions are the ones which survived. They are simply the most virulent, the most vicious, the most effective, the most well-Designed.

Islam is only the end result of this Evolution. Stripped of most of the superfluous judeo-xian crap, the beneficiary of a millenium of lessons learned.
codemith
1.9 / 5 (15) Aug 12, 2013
The "Eucharistic prayer" said at Roman Catholic masses has always remembered women. Including Perpetua, mentioned in the article. Quoting…

"For ourselves, too, we ask some share in the fellowship of your apostles and martyrs, with John the Baptist, Stephen, Matthias, Barnabas, Ignatius, Alexander, Marcellinus, Peter, Felicity, Perpetua, Agatha, Lucy, Agnes, Cecilia, Anastasia, and all the saints."

catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/RM3-EP1-4.htm
kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (16) Aug 13, 2013
gawd raping and impregnating underage Mary set the tone for christianity. That and retelling of the bloodletting fable from the Temple of Osiris, recast as a cannibalistic ritual. And WTF was this guy Joseph doing all the time? He's bested by some uber omnipotent adulterer, even while forced to never touch his wife's privates. What kind of marriage was that? That guy is the real airbrushing victim!
space music
1.6 / 5 (25) Aug 13, 2013
must be a slow news day....so pick on the Christians.......after all, the birth of our savior was through A WOMAN !.....NO MAN WAS INVOLVED PERIOD!...just a woman, and God.....and this is mentioned several times in the bible...so why should it mention obscure people who may or may not have existed.
mooster75
2.9 / 5 (15) Aug 13, 2013
must be a slow news day....so pick on the Christians.....

"Pick on Christians"? Your paranoia is showing...
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (15) Aug 13, 2013
Another opinion on the intended role of women in the church

"[mike]WALLACE: Have you heard it said, that the reason that the Church is against birth control is because they want more Catholics?

[margaret]SANGER: I've read it.

WALLACE: Do you believe it?

SANGER: Well, if you read their papers, where they point out Boston, that that's what had happened in Boston in Massachusetts. They had simply out-bred the Protestants and they're -- they -- in Boston in Massachusetts they have control. I read that in their own papers"
Osiris1
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 13, 2013
Then there is the post of 18Sep12 concerning the Wife of Yeshua (Jesus), Mary, alluded to in its own gospel, a fragment of which was found by a scholar. Go read it! Comments are closed to this clip, not that much intellectual content would be added by such as us, seeing as to some of the comment feuds on here. However, evidences are also found in the Cathedral of Rhenne La Chateau in the south of France. Jesus' emblem then was the white cross and Mary's the white star.
freethinking
1.4 / 5 (22) Aug 13, 2013
Christians airbrushed women out of history nothing but stupidity spoken by someone who failed comprehension of the bible.

http://christiana...men.html

I do agree with the statement "Christianity was quite revolutionary in the way it treated its women, especially when you realise how sexist the ancient world was."

hb_
1.5 / 5 (15) Aug 14, 2013
The authors seem to make the same classical mistake that permates studies of the history of women scientist, inventors and politicians: there are plenty of men of the same status that were "airbrushed out".

Not all inventors are remembered, nor all scientists. In fact, only the ones that either contributed in a major way, or were politically connected and could "sell" themselves are remembered. Compare, for instance, Tesla and Edison. You could argue that Tesla had a greater impact on the development of technology and even society.

The difference is that Edison was rich and a great self promotor, not that there was a hidden agenda to discriminate against Tesla. This is the way the game is played, and it has nothing to do with women versus men.
Ignatz
2.7 / 5 (7) Aug 14, 2013
Airbrushed out?

Perpetua is a mandatory memorial on the church Calendar (March 7). The Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity (and why did the author "airbrush out" Felicity?) is one of the best-known early extra-biblical Christian documents there is.

The Acts of Paul and Thecla is cited by the Christian Orthodox almost as often as a Biblical book. She's commemorated on September 24, and is called "Equal to the Apostles." That's "airbrushing out"?

I get the feeling that the author thinks there must be a conspiracy of silence simply because she, personally, has never heard of them.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.4 / 5 (14) Aug 14, 2013
Perpetua and Felicity
Yeah nice example.

"Ultimately, martyrdom symbolized obedience to the values represented by the church and reflected the belief that the church can fulfill and commend itself by self-sacrifice and death. As seen in the story of Perpetua and other North African females, martyrdom became a means of self-empowerment for women in Christian circles."

-In other words the church empowers women by encouraging them to commit suicide for jesus. Martyrdom is a most foul form of violence and xians revel in it.
Thecia
"...was a young noble virgin who listened to Paul's "discourse on virginity" and became Paul's follower. She was sentenced to be eaten by wild beasts, but was again saved by a series of miracles when the female beasts protected her against her male aggressors."

-Oh christ. Another fairy tale used to convince lesbians to join the nunhood. Like mary who could give birth without being sullied by the touch of a man.

The church EXPLOITS women.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 14, 2013
But then it exploits men as well so I guess its ok.

"12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it." mat19

Yeouch.
freethinking
1.4 / 5 (27) Aug 14, 2013
Otto, the reason you don't understand the Bible is that the bible is about Love. The best minds that Secular Humanist have created three different manifestos over 70 some odd years, of what secular humanist believe, each one growing longer and more complex, yet none of these have one word about love.

Why is it Otto that secular humanists don't talk about love? Could it be because secular humanist deal in hate?

Even if you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus, this simple Jewish carpenter of 2000 years ago is smarter and has more wisdom than the greatest Secular Humanist minds of the last 100 years. He summarized the whole bible and his whole philosophy as love your neighbor as yourself, and love God. One simple man makes more of a statement of how to live than the smartest group of secular humanists can ever can. How many words is the current (ever changing) manifesto now Otto, and why no mention of love?
verkle
1.3 / 5 (24) Aug 14, 2013
freethinking, you think well.
Cheryel
1 / 5 (10) Aug 14, 2013
The greatest job of airbrushing was on the Holy Spirit Herself. In Biblical Hebrew the names and attributes of the Holy Spirit are in the feminine. Only in Proverbs 1: 20 is Her true gender identity given. And Wisdom is one of the names of the Holy Spirit of God. In verse 23 She says "I will pour out my spirit unto you", a God action. And as a third of the Trinity, She is God Her/Himself. Chachmot, Ruach Hakodesh!
Lenfirewood
2.2 / 5 (13) Aug 15, 2013
Science and feminism make very poor bedfellows for it is difficult to extract the axe grinding from facts.
_ilbud
5 / 5 (4) Aug 15, 2013
What has this historical delusion got to do with reality and Physics?
BSD
2.4 / 5 (17) Aug 15, 2013
What has this historical delusion got to do with reality and Physics?


I suppose the reality is, women , as usual suffer because of religion of all types. One of many reasons why it should be wiped out of Australian society. The other reality is religion is full of poofters and paedophiles, has been since it started.

What has this got to do with Physics, absolutely fuck all.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (14) Aug 15, 2013
3 differebt manifestos over 70 years
Ahaahaaaaha how many sects and cults has xianity generated over the centuries, all claiming to know exactly what god wants, and all willing to kill each other, and to present themselves for killing, in order to prove it?? You moron.

Ask Warren jeffs about the proper role of (very young) women in the church.

And there is every indication by the way that your buddy Jesus was created by what you would call secular humanists, to make it easier to govern the people, because he is obviously a direct copy and a continuation of many previous godmen. Dionyses was the original lovegod did you know it?

Ask IRA members about loving protestants. Ask Xian Serbs about loving all the Moslems they've slaughtered. Ring up the grand inquisitor and inquire about his affection for cathars.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (14) Aug 15, 2013
Ask Hong Xiuquan about the best way of spreading the message of gods love in china. Ask Joseph kony about his love for the little children he conscripts into his army. Ask hitlers pope about the love he shared with the Nazis for all those dead Jews.

Ask those priests and ministers in Canada about their love for the hundreds of indigene children they stole from their families and then tortured, raped, and killed them in boarding schools.

Ft would say that these people just weren't doing it right. But the bible says they WERE.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (22) Aug 15, 2013
Otto: Anyone who does not follow Jesus' commands feel free to criticize I'll be right there with you.

But again why don't the best minds Secular Humanists Atheists can bring together talk about love in any of their three manifesto's? Is it because Secular Humanist Atheists don't believe in love? Why can a poor Jewish carpenter 2000 years ago out think not just one, but many of the best 20'th century Secular Humanist Atheist's Minds?

Could this be a sign and reason why Communist Atheists have killed the most people in the last 100 years, and why Secular Humanist airbush history to minimize the brutality, racism, bigotry of Atheists?

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (15) Aug 15, 2013
What you call secular humanists love their families and others as much as, if not more than, religionists who are commanded to love some nonexistent god more than anyone else.

They don't need a gods permission to do so. They're not afraid that they will lose this ability if they decide the god who gives it to them doesn't exist.

And they aren't forced to believe that this superhuman lovegiver would condemn their enemies to eternal torture for the sin of being reasonable.

The assertion that the ungodly cannot love and care for others is just one more of your despicable lies.

Godders love their lies. Godders covet and protect their lies because if they were ever able to admit that if even one of them were untrue, then they all must be. Because a perfect being does not lie does he?

If he lied about the exodus then he was probably lying about life after death and absolution of guilt. But he did, and so he was, and you all are just plumb out of luck.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 15, 2013
communist atheists have killed more
Another lie. It has been demonstrated to you time and again that communism is just another form of religion. Their literature of full of references to the soul and the spirit. The ideology is based on a chosen people, the worker, who has the divine right to rule.

Communists only reject all other religions, just as every other totalitarian theocracy has ever done. And these other theocracies have been just as efficient at killing. If there had been 6 million cathars in southern France, the crusaders would have killed them all, along with a sizable number of innocent xians. 'God knows his own' said the grand inquisitor.

The Taipei rebellion killed 20 million in china, a higher number per capita at the time than the chinese communist revolution. It was instigated by southern baptist missionaries from the US.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (23) Aug 15, 2013
Otto, what I have shown time and time again is definitions are important. Progressives change words to obscure what they mean. For example racist, racism, do not mean the same thing to a Progressives as it does to the common person.

Same thing goes with a secular humanist. What is your definition of love?

A secular humanist love for their children IS less than that of Disciples of Jesus. Secular Humanist believe in abortion, so.... a child is only important to them IF it is wanted, IF it is healthy, IF it is the right time for the Secular Humanist Parent to want them..... An Honest Secularist would say to their child, I love you b/c you were healthy, b/c it was the right time for us to have you.... Secular Humanist love is not Hesed Love as demonstrated by Jesus.

Also, if love is important to a Secular Humanists, why wouldn't wouldn't they consider it important enough for them to put it in one of their manifestos'.
freethinking
1.4 / 5 (21) Aug 15, 2013
Otto as a Secular Humanist.... you are now whitewashing the atrocities done by Atheists....Secular humanism is a religion you practice well.

http://americanvi...7OH.dpbs
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (13) Aug 15, 2013
Xian butchers showing love for Moslem children in Bosnia
http://www.youtub...a_player

"9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
    and dashes them against the rocks." Psm137

-What xians think children are good for:

"4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior
    are children born in one's youth.

5 Blessed is the man
    whose quiver is full of them.

They will not be put to shame
    when they meet their enemy at the gate." psm127

-Cannon fodder.

- I'm not a secular humanist. But you have proven yourself to be a compulsive liar under multiple sockpuppets.
rug
2.5 / 5 (16) Aug 15, 2013
Otto, the reason you don't understand the Bible is that the bible is about Love.


The Bible is not about love. It's about God. What God has done, what we did to God. And what God will do to us. It also covers How we should live. How we should feel. How we should think. How we should behave. Oh and my favorite, how we Should worship God.

Love is mentioned many times but so is murder, torture, and pain.
freethinking
1 / 5 (19) Aug 15, 2013
For all you Secular Humanists, I think this song defines you, when I hear this song I think of secular humanists asking Jesus the question.
https://www.youtu...Geq3_DtM

For those that want to know about Hesed Love which God shows:
http://www.sbts.e...-part-1/ At point 20 minutes Michael Card describes how he showed this to his Son.

freethinking
1.2 / 5 (22) Aug 15, 2013
Rug, I'm not sure if we disagree just on semantics, but God is Love.

If we don't have Love, the Bible is clear we have nothing:

https://www.youtu...dKOfbC9c
This song at the 2:20 mark is a verse taken from the Bible..... again showing the importance of Love.... Also, we need to remember that the definition of love in the Bible is very clearly given and is different than what popular culture now defines love as. 1 Corinthians talks all about love.

Secular Humanists purposely ignore any mention of love.
rug
2.4 / 5 (17) Aug 15, 2013
God is love? Hmmmmm then why is Wrath of God one of the most common topics to come up in the Bible? 12 Books different books talk about it. I find it interesting that something that IS love would have wrath.

Love - "An intense feeling of deep affection"
God - "the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

God is not love. The dictionary say so.

humanists - a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture
b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis on secular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance

I'm failing to see how you could possibly have an issue with either definition of the word Humanists. Here is an interesting thought. The God described in the bible would be a humanists per definition.

Good thing it's all just made up.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (22) Aug 15, 2013
Rug, secular humanist is what we are talking about they have three manifestos of what they believe in..... check them out.... and you'll see they don't mention love.
The definition of love in the bible is very different than the popular culture definition of Love.... check it out...
God is Love quote. 1 John 4:8

But if you are an Atheist, why worry at all what the Bible says, and why insist on twisting the words of what you don't believe? At least be honest about what you disagree with....

You Atheists will complain that a person who warn you not to drink poison is guilty of murder for pointing out the poison is poison. If God says how you can live forever, yet you choose to do otherwise, you cannot accuse him of condemning you. If you refuse to take the hand of the rescuer sent to save you, don't blame the rescuer when you suffer the consequences of that refusal.
rug
2.1 / 5 (15) Aug 15, 2013
On the topic of the article. I think it's safe to say that religion and bigotry have put women in a role and left them there without any say for many, many years. The women's rights movement has finally gotten women the rights the need in the US. Many other countries have as well. The rest of the world is still stuck in religion and bigotry. So women do not have the rights that they should. Even if you think women are free in your country think for just a moment what would happen if a woman was in a normally male role. Some places will be fine with that while others will be trying to kill her.
rug
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 15, 2013
I never said I was an Atheists. I have not attempted to argue with about what you believe. Thats your own choice. Whatever you believe is fine with me. Just don't push it on me just as I don't push my beliefs on you.

why worry at all what the Bible says, and why insist on twisting the words of what you don't believe?
Same thing can be said about you with humanist.
hopper
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 15, 2013
The greatest killers of the 20th century were stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot, saddam hussein. in roughly that order. What they all have in common were that they were all atheists. all but saddam hussein and hitler were communists. some of the nazis were also homosexuals.
rug
2.1 / 5 (14) Aug 15, 2013
hmmmmm NOPE

" Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church to his political associates, but remained a formal member of the Catholic church until his death, and even ordered his chief associates to remain members"

http://en.wikiped...f_Hitler
http://www.nobeli...ler1.htm
http://www.straig...hristian
http://atheism.ab...esus.htm
http://www.abc.ne...0312.htm

Think I've proved my point. Might want to look at the information before you go spouting off. The only group I found that claimed he wasn't a christian was the 700 club. Go figure
Tektrix
4.4 / 5 (7) Aug 15, 2013
"Love me or die." -male god

Love was co-opted to play the partner of Fear in this millennial soap-opera/fairy tale. To even suggest that you can say who loves more, or who loves best exemplifies a terribly distorted sense of humanity. Humans are the only ones who have helped other humans and humans are the only ones who have shown true love and affection towards each other. There is not a single, demonstrable example anywhere on the planet of your proposed "supernatural love." I can totally feel the love of humans, but love from supernatural beings? Not so much- in fact, not at all. That's the important difference- human love is actual, real, demonstrable love, coming from real individuals, with real compassion and real presence, not some sort of diluted wishful love by proxy.

And frankly, a dogmatist who has willfully surrendered their most valuable human faculty- the ability and desire to reason- to a tautological, bigoted, and baroque wishing-system, is hardly a free thinker.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (19) Aug 15, 2013
funny think... it is the Progressive Secular Humanist pushing their religion on the rest of us.

Secular Humanism is a religion, they even want chaplains in the military.

The reason Secular Humanist don't understand the Bible or Christianity is they have no understanding of LOVE.
freethinking
1 / 5 (19) Aug 15, 2013
Secular Humanist Atheists have given up their reasoning ability and accepted dogma.

A Secular Humanist Atheist, starts out with the dogma that there is no God. That there can be no God and that there can be no evidence of God. Frankly Secular humanists are the dogmatist who have willfully surrendered their most valuable human faculty- the ability and desire to reason- to a tautological, bigoted, and baroque wishing-system that there is no God. While a simple Jewish Carpenter 2000 years ago, shows more wisdom and understanding than even the smartest secular humanists and their multiple manifestos.

A Christian, is commanded to question all things. They have to evaluate the evidence and based on the evidence and yes faith make a personal judgement that their is a God.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (11) Aug 15, 2013
Atheists will complain that a person who warn you not to drink poison is guilty of murder for pointing out the poison is poison. If God says how you can live forever, yet you choose to do otherwise, you cannot accuse him of condemning you. If you refuse to take the hand of the rescuer sent to save you, don't blame the rescuer when you suffer the consequences of that refusal
More threats. 'Accept gods love or burn forever.' Coercion is not love.

Your 1 john 4 is an adulteration of John 3. It leaves out the important part:

"18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were EVIL. 20 Everyone who does EVIL hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed."

-IOW unbelievers are EVIL. This is not lov
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (19) Aug 15, 2013
Otto, you are like all Progressive Secular Atheists..... know nothing of Love. If you can't understand Love, you cant understand the bible.....
freethinking
1 / 5 (18) Aug 15, 2013
If you were God who would you let into heaven?
dtxx
2.4 / 5 (14) Aug 15, 2013
Otto, you are like all Progressive Secular Atheists..... know nothing of Love. If you can't understand Love, you cant understand the bible.....


If your definition of love is the way your godman treats people, I have no interest in knowing anything of it. Can you please make a single point, any point, that doesn't call on your subjective, amorphous, biblically righteous, and self-important definition of 'Love?"

For that matter, would you please enlighten all of us incorrigible and resentful atheists and humanists as to what, precisely, the definition of love you are using is?
animah
5 / 5 (3) Aug 15, 2013
Freethinking, your church praises your deity for perpetrating the genocide of the human race (the flood).

It teaches you should be eternally thankful for the coming genocide too (the Apocalypse).

Your god loves as Hitler loved Germains. That love IS the problem.

It is disappointing you do not grasp this.
freethinking
1 / 5 (18) Aug 15, 2013
If you allowed everyone, then those that kill and molest little children can enter... not fair and how can that be just.
Ah, you would only allow good people in. But that begs the definition of good.
Would an adulterer be allowed in that destroyed his family because of the adultery?
What about a rapist? What about a liar? What if this liar lied in court and an innocent man went to jail? What about someone who stole a loaf of bread? What about someone who stole a persons life savings? What about a racist? What about a slave owner? What about a slave who killed his masters children? What about the late term abortionist who held the baby he killed by shoving scissors into the babies brain? What about the prostitute? The druggie and drug dealer? If you are a druggie are you a druggie if you only use the easy stuff and only a few times?

Oh the choices.... So who would a Secular Humanist allow into Heaven?

Anim, so who wouldn't you let in?
freethinking
1 / 5 (18) Aug 15, 2013
1 Corinthian 13 :4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

John 15: 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

Romans 12 9 Love must be sincere.

freethinking
1 / 5 (17) Aug 15, 2013
anim, so what is your definition of Love? Why did the greatest minds secular humanists can bring together not even remember love in any of their three manifestos written over 70+ years?
Is love not important to a secular humanist, or just that secular humanists don't love?

Didn't the first manifesto needed to be changed because Hitler used it as an excuse for his extermination of the Jews?
freethinking
1 / 5 (17) Aug 15, 2013
1 Corinthian: 1 18-31 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
freethinking
1 / 5 (17) Aug 15, 2013
Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: "Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord."

You secular humanist think you are wise. But you don't even know what love is and can't define it. Simple Jews of 2000 years ago knew more about love, wisdom, compassion, caring, and could define it very clearly.

Why should anyone think a SH is wise, when they can't define or knowledge a simple thing like Love?
animah
4.2 / 5 (5) Aug 15, 2013
I am not a secular humanist and so have not read the related manifestos. You seem to have a very binary view of the world.

Would you address the issue of the endorsement of genocide "for the right reasons" please?

You see there is a reason dictators identify with and try to become Gods. It's because the way the image of God was constructed allows them to do so.

Human evil exists regardless. But these God attributes, particularly the right to kill any of His children for Any Reason, set the stage for the justification of the most epic human evil, you know, "for the right reasons".
rug
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 15, 2013
I just have one thing to say about God/love thing.....The Dark Ages.....Thanks I'm done now. Nothing more needs to be said.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (8) Aug 16, 2013
who would you let into heaven
Well certainly not lying flooders who ignore evidence and post under multiple idiot sockpuppets like yourself.
those that kill and molest children can enter
Well they can. Those priests did what they did because your god promises to forgive anything if they just ask. This is why you feel free to lie and flood and deny evidence here because your god tells you will go to heaven.

Priests by and large believe that they were born saved. They received gods grace at birth, which is what compelled them to become priests in the first place. And so with gods permission they lie and abuse with abandon.

In other words god relieves believers of responsibility for their actions. It enables them to kill and steal and lie with a clear conscience. Another way in which religion corrupts. Another reason why religions are evil.
Hitler used it as an excuse
No he was following joshuas explicit instructions on how to exterminate canaanites and murder heretics.
freethinking
1 / 5 (16) Aug 16, 2013
Amusing, Sock Puppet Master Otto accusing me of being a sockpuppet.

Rug, you ignorance of the Dark Ages actually know as the Early Middle Ages is as bad as your ignorance of the Bible... is this by design or are you just the result of outcome based education?.... http://listverse....ot-dark/ nuff said

Genocide and Love..... yea Only Ignorant Progressives can link those two.....

TheGhostofOtto1923
2.1 / 5 (11) Aug 16, 2013
You don't even know what love is
We know damn well what it is NOT. Love is NOT threatening someone with eternal torture to get it. Love is NOT declaring that all who do not love you are evil. Love is not declaring that all who do not live you CANNOT be good or honest.

That is simply not true. Religions pervert concepts like love and decency and respect. Which is why they are evil.
Brothers and sisters think of what you were
Religions have had a few millenia to perfect their spiel. They picked the very best buzzwords and catchphrases, the ones most effective in enticing people and obscuring their artifice.

They kept what worked and discarded what didn't, a distinctly evolutionary process. If you believers bothered to read the holybooks from the other religions you would realize that they say exactly the same things as you, using the same comfy phrases to elicit the same thrills.
Genocide and love
READ your fucking BOOK. Joshua and Gideon sought to EXTERMINATE.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (8) Aug 16, 2013
Sockpuppet master otto
Sorry I've never used sockpuppets to seriously pretend to be a nurse or a farmer or an engineer or a psychiatrist in a science forum full of such people. I am not that dishonest nor disrespectful and I am certainly not that STUPID.

But there is at least one pious Xian on this site who is all these things and she is a spectacular credit to her religion.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 16, 2013
Otto, you and your kind think the notion of saving someone is hate, and letting someone die is love.

I've read the other books, and only Anesthetists and fools think they are the same. Easy way to tell, is to make a list of the attributes of each god and see if they are the same as the God of the bible. But then again, Otto sock puppet master and his sock puppets, do not have the intellect to even define what love is.

That to me is as Perverted as supporting the killing of half born babies by holding them (feeling them move/breath), then shoving scissors into their brains. You do know secular humanist and Progressive support this in the United Stated.
rug
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 16, 2013
Do not have the intellect to even define what love is.


I'm so glad you were not talking about me here. As I gave you THE definition of the word love and you outright rejected it as the truth. The only thing you are will to accept as truth is your bible. Therefore, you have no business being on a science site to begin with.

Go crawl back into your cave. Since there's exactly where you would be without science.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (12) Aug 16, 2013
I've read the other books, and only Anesthetists and fools think they are the same. Easy way to tell, is to make a list of the attributes
A list.

All gods claim that they
-created the universe and everything in it
-grant the exclusive right to believers to inhabit the world
-are the exclusive source of all that is good and true
-will grant all wishes to believers
-will give believers eternal life
-will absolve believers of guilt
-will punish enemies and unbelievers with eternal torture

The details are IMMATERIAL. They all justify these claims in the context of unsubstantiated miracles and superhuman prophets and easily-disproven events, as described in books which are easily shown to be written by LIARS and FORGERS and PLAGIARISTS.

You religionists are all willing and eager to claim that these fundamental aspects of all the other religions are ridiculous and false, but are unwilling to recognize that in all these respects your religion is IDENTICAL to theirs.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 16, 2013
difference between the god of Islam and God of the bible:
http://www.answer.../god.htm

Differences between Christianity and other religions: http://www.answer...ent.html

Lies exposed of similarities between other gods and Jesus:
http://beginninga...an-gods/

Come on you Atheist Progressive Secular Humanist. Can't define love, can't come up with arguments that haven't been debunked many times, as I've said many times, I've been asked better questions, more in-depth questions from8-11 year olds ....
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 16, 2013
Otto, you and your kind think the notion of saving someone is hate, and letting someone die is love.

I've read the other books, and only Anesthetists and fools think they are the same. Easy way to tell, is to make a list of the attributes of each god and see if they are the same as the God of the bible. But then again, Otto sock puppet master and his sock puppets, do not have the intellect to even define what love is.

That to me is as Perverted as supporting the killing of half born babies by holding them (feeling them move/breath), then shoving scissors into their brains. You do know secular humanist and Progressive support this in the United Stated.
-free

LOL @ freethinking. I'm 99% certain that you actually meant to say "Atheists", rather than Anesthetists. Please try to be more accurate. Even though I agree with you on most of your religious views, I take a different view on many aspects of Biblical lore.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 16, 2013
I've been asked better questions, more in-depth questions from8-11 year olds ....
And I am sure you lied to them as well.

The details are IMMATERIAL. They all justify these claims in the context of unsubstantiated miracles and superhuman prophets and easily-disproven events, as described in books which are easily shown to be written by LIARS and FORGERS and PLAGIARISTS.

What does it matter if jesus or mohammud or buddha are god or not, if they can grant all your wishes and make you immortal and rid you of all that guilt?

IT DOESNT.

What does it matter if you love your enemies or not, if you are willing to kill them for your god?

IT DOESNT.

And what does it matter if you are smiling or frowning while you are killing them, or dutifully presenting yourself and your family for killing?

IT DOESNT.

What religion SAYS is immaterial. What it makes people DO is all that matters.
Empire_man_otto
1 / 5 (11) Aug 16, 2013
LOL @ freethinking. I'm 99% certain that you actually meant to say "Atheists", rather than Anesthetists. Please try to be more accurate. Even though I agree with you on most of your religious views, I take a different view on many aspects of Biblical lore

Yeah and speaking of lying, flooding, religionist imbeciles...

So what are you pretending to be today? Black racist psychiatrist? Lying lion tamer? Choochoo train engineer? What?

You_fucking_moron
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 16, 2013
@freethinking

I'm surprised that you still seem to be pursuing Theghostofotto1923/Blotto to convince him as to the many truths that are written in the Old and New Testament so that his Soul might be saved.

Don't you understand yet from reading thousands of Blotto's posts that he is "possessed" by demonic influences that cause him to make so many sockpuppets to 'house' his demons so that he can converse with it or them? He may not even be AWARE of what his demons are doing to him. The internet is the perfect medium for demons to convince people that evil is good and lies are truth.

Blotto's sockpuppetry is not normal. I myself have created 2 sockpuppets to use in this Phys.org and I don't even have the time to use them.
It is also not merely a medical/ psychosis issue. All the signs are there in everything that Blotto says, that he is possessed by demonic inluence. Not all demonic possession results in scenes as in "The Exorcist". With the advent of the internet, demons haveit easy
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 16, 2013
@freethinking

You are wasting your time trying to prove to Blotto and his demons that the Bible is the word of God. Let him and other Atheists, anti-religionists, criminal minds and every other type of God-haters condemn themselves. Their self-condemnation will prove their undoing when they die and each one's Soul is forced to remain in the body and can FEEL the agonies of being part of a rotting corpse.

The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words and deeds that it had while it lived.

The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 16, 2013
Theghostofotto1923 and its demons housed in Blotto's sockpuppets can vilify, rant,and stamp their virtual feet and call me all kinds of names. It doesn't bother me one bit because I KNOW that as Blotto's death approaches, he will continue with his war against God, and God's justice will be served upon Blotto's immortal evil Soul, as well as the demons that he has willingly taken into himself.

God has combined Science and Spirituality - matter and energy - creating everything in the Universe and making it so that mankind, other animals, and plants could evolve because God causes the Earth and other worlds to evolve. As we are made of matter, so our bodies are destined to die and become one again with matter. This is planned by God because He made us imperfect for good reason. Our Souls are on trial already as we live. Most people cannot believe that we are on trial whether we do evil or good.
But it's at the end of the trial period where we find out our punishment or reward.
Q-Star
2.8 / 5 (11) Aug 16, 2013
NO MAN WAS INVOLVED PERIOD!.


Since this is a science site, could I get ya to tell us just how that works? And since it is supposed to have only happened ONCE, two millennia ago, ya could expect that anyone could believe that it was anything but a case of premarital shenanigans that have been going on since O'Adam fell out of his tree?
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 16, 2013
@freethinking

I know that you're concerned about foetuses and babies that are aborted, and I too, feel sad that babies and children die before their time. But know this...that an aborted baby's Soul is taken from the body and given another chance later to be born and live and then die, as it was meant to do. The child as it grows to adulthood until the time of its death, is on trial. The trial period is to prove that its Soul is worthy of a place in God's Kingdom of Heaven or Paradise. Men and women are all on trial. Were it not to be so, the immortal Soul would have no reason to exist...and therefore, mankind would have no reason to exist.

Science has no way of proving the existence of the Soul because Science is concerned with matter and energy and exploring and explaining the various Laws of Nature. It cannot explore and explain the Laws and Nature of God because God causes the existence of matter/energy but does not live in matter/energy.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 16, 2013
NO MAN WAS INVOLVED PERIOD!.


Since this is a science site, could I get ya to tell us just how that works? And since it is supposed to have only happened ONCE, two millennia ago, ya could expect that anyone could believe that it was anything but a case of premarital shenanigans that have been going on since O'Adam fell out of his tree?
-Q-Star

I've had a problem with that also in my youth. But I firmly believe that Joseph had carnal knowledge of Mary and it was HIS sperm that caused her pregnancy. THAT is the matter part. But after she conceived baby Yeshua, God caused the Soul of that which had been foretold to be the coming Savior of mankind to be placed in the growing baby when Mary became pregnant. THAT is the Spiritual part.

Matter/energy is exchangeable and converts back and forth as the conditions arise. But the Spirit is of a different 'dimension' and thus not subject to matter/energy changes, although Spirit can and does affect matter/energy at will.
rug
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 16, 2013
Interesting that a religious person would believe something completely outside the bible. Sounds like you think the bible has a lie in it. That is a first.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 16, 2013
@Q-Star
It is evident that the ascetic early Church Fathers (aka Clergy) had a problem with sexual contact between men and women. It seems that their highly idealized version of Mary's conception and pregnancy precluded a loving sexual relationship between Mary and Joseph. Of course, in those days, the Church was not aware of sperm and egg to combine to make a baby, so they went with what they thought most appropriate for such a Spiritually-inspired pregnancy. They thought it more appropriate for lay people to believe that a sexless conception had taken place for the obvious purpose of giving a better flavor to celibacy as they taught celibacy as a virtue and expected many young recruits to follow suit.
freethinking
1 / 5 (19) Aug 16, 2013
RUG, religious people can disagree on religion. I have friends of other religions and we discuss our differences. However since they are not Progressives nor Secular Humanist Atheists, I can accept that they think I'm wrong , and they can accept that I think they are wrong, without any of us being offended or resorting to childish swearing and ranting.

Progressives and Secular Humanist Atheists for some reason are not mature enough to be disagreed with, without them being offended and resorting to childish swearing and ranting.
rug
2.1 / 5 (14) Aug 16, 2013
I can accept that they think I'm wrong , and they can accept that I think they are wrong, without any of us being offended or resorting to childish swearing and ranting.


You might not be swearing but everything I've seen you post has been a rant about something.

Here is the way I see it. If you think science/scientist are evil, don't go to a science websites. If you don't believe in God, don't go to church.

Whatever you believe in doesn't matter to me. The only thing I have ever asked was don't put it in my face. You start telling me my beliefs are wrong and we will go round and round. I'm sure you feel the same way.

So here it is pretty simply. GET OFF A SCIENCE WEB SITE IF YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCIENCE. DUH

Other than that, enjoy your life. Believe what you want to believe and don't bother people that don't.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 16, 2013
@rug

I like to think out-of-the-box but I search for the truth in everything. I don't try to make it fit into my version or someone else's version of the truth, such as with many obvious mistakes and outright lies and misinterpretations in the Bible. The truth is "stand-alone" and cannot be hidden for too long. The original contents of both Old and New Testaments may have been redacted and improvised to suit the changing times and the powers that were.
If there is such a thing as the original contents, I think it must be in an airtight cave somewhere in the Middle East, possibly guarded by descendants of the original authors. I hope this is the case.

But I take certain parts of the O.T. with a grain of salt, and other parts I enthusiastically support. I also feel that the sands of time and weather, earthquakes and flooding have obscured much of the evidence of ancient cities of the Kings, as well as the burial places of the prophets and the apostles.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 16, 2013
@Rug...this is a Science site, this is true. But always check the title of the article and its category (Social Sciences) before you go off on someone who is ON TOPIC. Don't embarrass yourself.

freethinking has good ideas and so do you. I want to read all of those ideas whether I agree with them or not.
freethinking
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 16, 2013
Rug, funny thing about Progressives saying not putting things in their face.

What Progressives and Secular Humanist Atheist mean by that statement is, bend to their will, don't dare question their religious orthodoxy or defend yourself from their vile demeaning attacks, nor mention what you believe and why.

In simple terms, Progressives and Secular Humanist Atheists want to prohibit or limit public discourse and the market place of ideas, for any religious ideas that they don't agree with.

Rule people need to learn. You need to force Progressives to define what they mean. They define things differently. Progressives and Secular Humanist Atheist never say what they mean and you need to force them define almost each word they say to really know what them mean. Remember it depends what the definition of is IS?
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 16, 2013
Personally, with the exception of God the Creator, and the life of Yeshua the Christ, I object to all the feast days and prayers to saints - both male and female - whom the Christian church have beatified and glorified so much while encouraging young and old to pray to these "saints" as though they were equal to the Divinity of Yeshua the Christ and to God the Creator.

They are not, and it is unseemly to give such saints a status of Divine Holiness as they are neither Holy NOR Divine, but only mortals who were said to lead exemplary lives of self-sacrifice and service to their fellow man. For such service to God, it is most likely that these saints have found a choice niche in God's Kingdom. But it is doubtful that it is they that have the ability to answer prayers and cure the sick. God's Angels are the only ones who are able to petition God the Creator in behalf of mortal man, and it is God who sends such Angels to intercede in human affairs.
rug
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 17, 2013
@Rug...this is a Science site, this is true. But always check the title of the article and its category (Social Sciences) before you go off on someone who is ON TOPIC. Don't embarrass yourself.

Religion is not science, never has been, never will be. This entire article was not about religion. It was about what religion has done to women. That is a social science. So how about you not make a fool of your self? Oh wait, to late.
rug
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 17, 2013
@ freethinking - I have never had an atheist show up at my door or stop me in the street to start preaching to me. The only time I have EVER had an atheist start preaching to me is when I ask about their beliefs. They don't demand you believe the same as them. Christians such as yourself have came to my door, stopped me in the street, called me a sinner, said I'm damned to go to hell, and all kinds of other things. Without even taking a second to ask what I believe. They never have any idea how I live my life or my beliefs they just assume.

You don't see atheists going to christian sites and bashing your beliefs. Only when you start preaching someplace it doesn't belong. Then you hear from them.

Living in a country with religious freedom can be a real pain in the ass when you are always preached to. So I say, don't preach. If people want to know they will ask. What's wrong with waiting until they ask?
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 17, 2013
I have to agree that religious fundamentalists, depending on the sect, can be irritating and bothersome when they decide to proselytize to those who don't want it. Religion is a very personal thing and shouldn't be used to annoy people.

As to your comment about atheists not going to Christian sites, etc., you may not realize that when a bunch of atheists get together as a group, they can be very militant towards religionists, and they somehow manage, at times, to seek legislation or judgement to have Christian symbols like a creche removed around the Christmas holiday because it is in plain sight of everyone passing by, and it offends them. A family of atheists might be the ONLY ones in a town, but they will do everything possible to inconvenience the rest of the townspeople who are Christian and who consider such symbols as meaningful.

Atheists are guilty of intolerance also which almost amounts to mischief in their demand to ruin the Christian holiday for those who are believers.
katesisco
1.5 / 5 (15) Aug 17, 2013
All this amazing insight and no one can change this outcome or any other outcome.
Without women the ships that sailed the world wouldn't. The made the sails possible but history omits these women sail makers. Same as for China's world exploration fleet--silk sails?

I always though the most contemporaneous expression of this greed was upon the execution of Joan of Arc, her top lieutenant Jacob Riis was forced to say he consorted with the Devil to save his family. All of his wealth was confiscated.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 17, 2013
the evil persons Soul
Pussytard. Look at my profile page. Did you say all those things and tell all those lies? Did you? And that is just a compilation of only 1 of your sockpuppets. Pirouette, Ritchieguy, russkiye, and pussycat_eyes would have an equally long list of lies and ignorance.

Your god does not like liars, and imbeciles make him sad. Do you really think for a minute that he will let you into heaven with the good, honest, and reasonably intelligent people? Not a chance.

Pussytard is a stellar example of the typical xian who thinks they can get away with anything because their god forgives all sins. Sin all day, pray all night, wake up with a clear conscience.

The people who dreamed this all up are now sitting in that eternal lake of fire and you WILL soon join them because you are a liar, and a phony, and an imbecile.

Sleep tight pussytard.
obama_socks
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 17, 2013
LOL...there is no pussytard. It is all in the insane mind of Theghostofblotto1923 and his demons. Blotto thinks that God forgives ALL sins. No, it is Yeshua that does the forgiving IF the sin is forgivable. But Blotto doesn't BELIEVE in God or the Ten Commandments, one of which is Do NOT take the name of the Lord in vain. Blotto doesn't believe, but Blotto loves to quote Biblical passages to reinforce his disbelief and to discourage others from believing in God and Yeshua. This is known as propagandizing with the intention of drawing people away from the Powers of Good, so that they will not love God, but instead love Evil.

It is evident that Blotto's demons have him in their power, as he makes sockpuppets to house each one of his demons to converse with them outside of his mind.

Blotto assigns blame to me and many others who have preceded me, for the fact that he is now a pariah on Phys.org and very few pay attention to him.
obama_socks
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 17, 2013
Theghostofotto1923 and all of his demons are destined to burn in the fires of Hell for their sins against God. Blotto wishes to take as many people with him as he can, which is why he encourages atheists to be unbelievers and to pretend to be good people while doing evil thoughts, words and deeds as the evil sock puppeteer likes to do. I came to the conclusion several months ago that Blotto isn't just insane, but has all the earmarks of demonic possession.

Now Blotto, the one who doesn't believe in God and punishment, is telling ME about burning in some lake of fire that he doesn't believe in.

Blotto condemns his Soul to that lake of fire for eternity and seems to be unconcerned about it. Instead, he searches for PussyCat_Eyes and all the rest because THEY have escaped his evil attentions.

Blotto looks for more victims, and he will find them in this website and anywhere else his demons want to go. He goes into all of the "religious" threads in order to spread his lies and snares
obama_socks
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 17, 2013
Blotto claims to be an "anti-religionist" rather than atheist, but while atheists have no belief in any god(s) at all, Blotto has a hatred of all RELIGIONS, no matter of what persuasion. Therefore, it is evident that Blotto hates religion because religions teach the existence of God, and Blotto and his demons are constantly at war with God.

But God prevails every time, and Blotto and his demons hate Him so much that they will do anything to prevent mankind from believing in God the Creator and Yeshua the Christ.

Atheists play right into the snares of the Evil one, thinking that it is a sign of maturity to place their faith and belief in the non-existence of God the Creator. But they too, may find themselves condemned by their own hand, just as Blotto is condemning himself to the lake of fire to burn for all eternity. They all have the free will to believe in God or not to believe.

The Bible is not only a history of the Jews, but it is also a Book of Instructions of how to live.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 17, 2013
Blotto doesn't like the Bible as a Book of instructions and, instead, emphasizes to one and all the evils that the Jews did during their history. Blotto doesn't understand that the Jews were a secular people who were steeped in immorality until Moses brought the Ten Commandments to them and tried to make them understand those Laws. They were imperfect just as Adam was imperfect, and each one condemned themselves to wandering in the desert so as to learn the lessons of the Wrath of God the Creator.

But they still did not learn and kept on sinning. The leaders of the Jews are said to have required them to murder the innocent villagers that they came upon like a hungry pack of wolves. Blotto refuses to understand that that behavior was the way of the people of the Middle East in those times, and that behavior is still prevalent in the Middle East now. Killing is ingrained into the Psyche of the people of the Middle East, with few exceptions, from ancient times.

obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 17, 2013
All this amazing insight and no one can change this outcome or any other outcome.
Without women the ships that sailed the world wouldn't. The made the sails possible but history omits these women sail makers. Same as for China's world exploration fleet--silk sails?

I always though the most contemporaneous expression of this greed was upon the execution of Joan of Arc, her top lieutenant Jacob Riis was forced to say he consorted with the Devil to save his family. All of his wealth was confiscated.
-katesisco

In many cultures, women and girls are not held in importance as much as men and boys. It's even far less than on a "separate but equal" basis. Modern women seem to think that the answer to that is to become "militant feminists" in order to be in control of their own destiny. That's fine for lesbians, control freaks, and those whose ambition is to break that glass ceiling. But men (like me) are an ornery lot and view such women as very UNfeminine and comical.
BAKOON
2.6 / 5 (15) Aug 17, 2013
The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
What a prolifically idiotic mind you have Obama_socks.

But men (like me) are an ornery lot and view such women as very UNfeminine and comical.
Because you are as much sexist as racist. That is to say, quite a bit.
BAKOON
2.3 / 5 (15) Aug 17, 2013
If anybody agrees that Obama_socks is an idiot, simply post "Idiot." and nothing more. Like so:

Idiot.
Kiweenie
2.4 / 5 (14) Aug 17, 2013
Idiot.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 17, 2013
As to the women who were responsible for making sails in China, most women are quite adept at sewing, arts and crafts, and raising children. These are all noble areas of accomplishments. But due to physical requirements in a war, with few exceptions, women do poorly in hand-to-hand combat against an enemy. If the enemy were all women also, then the rules of engagement change and is more or less equal.

But women are a valuable part of our existence. They are our mothers, aunts, sisters and daughters, and Grandma makes a mean apple pie. OK, that's a bit domestic, so I apologize.

A woman who is called upon by God the Creator to bear a child who will become the "hope of the world", is truly blessed and exalted by many, and deservedly so.
But she is STILL a woman, and was expected through tradition and culture to bear one or more babies, as women are well-equipped physically for the task. She could continue having kids until her quota of ova runs out and she can no longer conceive.
GrndCntrlToMrjDong
2.3 / 5 (12) Aug 17, 2013
Idiot.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 17, 2013
LOL...Theghostofotto1923 trots out his demons in the form of sockpuppets rather than his primary name to pretend that there are others who agree with his stupid opinions of my posts.
Blotto...talking to yourself again? Go take your meds.
Army_Mom
2.6 / 5 (10) Aug 17, 2013
Idiot.
Gmr
2.5 / 5 (13) Aug 17, 2013
Idiot.
Ralp
3.3 / 5 (7) Aug 17, 2013
Idiot.
arctific
1.5 / 5 (15) Aug 17, 2013
It think the article has it backward. Christians air brushed women into history. The advance of women's rights occur in Christian influenced lands above those of other context. Given the surrounding cultural and global context for women, it is extremely easy to see that respect for iconic women found in Christianity has been just cause for elevating the dignity of women rather than marginalizing them.

We see that Christianity was also influential in the foundation of the concept of Human Rights. Eventually, it was able to use that concept to reduce and occasionally eliminate slavery over time. Similarly, even a simple consideration of the Virgin Mary provides motive for Christians to show kindness for women who's situations of pregnancy are not easy to explain, who's marital status is not clear, and who's educated role in raising the next generation could prove pivotal to the events of history. Even the Christian foundation of Human Rights found in Genesis 1:27 include women.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (5) Aug 17, 2013
LOL...Theghostofotto1923 trots out his demons in the form of sockpuppets
Sorry none of those are me.
Theghostofotto1923 and all of his demons are destined to burn in the fires of Hell
Pussytard. Look at my profile page. Did you say all those things and tell all those lies? DID YOU??

Didnt you pretend to be a NASA engineer who doesnt know that the WEBB is a satellite? And didnt you just pretend to be a black male psychiatrist who tried to convince an anonymous poster in a public forum that they should be institutionalized?
http://phys.org/n...ism.html

Pros wouldnt demean their professions in such a way. But lying, flooding phonies like yourself would, and would actually think no one could tell the difference.

Idiot.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 17, 2013
Christians air brushed women into history. The advance of women's rights occur in Christian influenced lands above those of other context. Given the surrounding cultural and global context for women, it is extremely easy to see that respect for iconic women found in Christianity has been just cause for elevating the dignity of women rather than marginalizing them
I see youre one more believer who doesnt read his own book. Back when xianity held political power in the west, women were treated the way the book says they were supposed to be treated.
http://www.evilbi...orah.htm

-The emancipation of women began during the Enlightenment as the church began to lose its hold over society. The less power that religion has over society, the more freedom women have.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (6) Aug 17, 2013
Christianity was also influential in the foundation of the concept of Human Rights.
No, your book says that people can only be allowed to be free if they believe in your god. The first 3 commandments require a person to believe. And if you dont, you are incapable of following the rest. And so you cannot be trusted.

Depending on just how devout your neighbors are, they will shun you, refuse to do business with you, persecute you, and drive you out of town. This is happening in many religionist communities today, and it is condoned and required by your BOOK.
Eventually, it was able to use that concept to reduce and occasionally eliminate slavery over time
A lie. And a favorite of you xians.

"The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves."
http://www.evilbi...very.htm

-Secularists ended slavery. Stop lying about it.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (6) Aug 17, 2013
Genesis 1:27 include women
Yes and do you see the contradiction? Gen1 has them created together but gen2 has adam created first and eve added as an afterthought. A helper. A servant. And then god proceeds to blame HER for the original sin and the subsequent fall of humankind:

"16 To the woman he said,
"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will RULE OVER YOU."
17 To Adam he said, "BECAUSE YOU LISTENED TO YOUR WIFE and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you...etc." gen2

-and so condemned all women in a very basic and vile way. This is similar to the way that the gospel of john specifically blamed all jews for the death of christ, thereby predetermining their debased stature throughout christendom.

This is how women became strictly baby makers and jews became bankers. Clever eh?
obama_socks
1 / 5 (13) Aug 17, 2013
I think the article has it backward. Christians air brushed women into history. The advance of women's rights occur in Christian influenced lands above those of other context. Given the surrounding cultural and global context for women, it is extremely easy to see that respect for iconic women found in Christianity has been just cause for elevating the dignity of women rather than marginalizing them.

We see that Christianity was also influential in the foundation of the concept of Human Rights. Eventually, it was able to use that concept to reduce and occasionally eliminate slavery over time. Similarly, even a simple consideration of the Virgin Mary provides motive for Christians to show kindness for women...
-arctific

What you say is true. To simplify it, the hand that rocks the cradle is also the hand that gives the men a gentle push for a kinder, gentler society. It was good Christians who were the abolitionists and it was their wives who spoke out against slavery
obama_socks
1 / 5 (12) Aug 17, 2013
LOL...Theghostofotto1923 trots out his demons in the form of sockpuppets
Sorry none of those are me.
Theghostofotto1923 and all of his demons are destined to burn in the fires of Hell
Pussytard. Look at my profile page. Did you say all those things and tell all those lies? DID YOU??

Didnt you pretend to be a NASA engineer who doesnt know that the WEBB is a satellite? And didnt you just pretend to be a black male psychiatrist who tried to convince an anonymous poster in a public forum that they should be institutionalized?
http://phys.org/n...ism.html

Pros wouldnt demean their professions in such a way. But lying, flooding phonies like yourself would, and would actually think no one could tell the difference.

Idiot.
-Blotto

Nope, most of what you have on your profile page are not me. The ones that I have said, you have taken out of context and/or twisted my comments to suit your insanity. And no, those others are not me.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (12) Aug 17, 2013
LOL...a Black male psychiatrist? Are you nuts? Hmmm, that's right, you ARE nuts, and that's the least of your mental problems.

I've never been a NASA engineer. I work for a major aerospace company and the rest of my personal information is none of your fucking business.

Blotto/Theghostofotto1923 (ghost of the Nazi Otto Skorzeny who was the bodyguard of Adolph Hitler) and who pretends to be all-knowing about the Old and New Testaments, and who only quotes the Biblical passages that describes the Jews as a murderous and uncivilized band of roving nomads who never built cities and infrastructure because Archaeologists haven't been able to find the evidence for those Bible stories, and because Blotto says so. Blotto knows these things for a fact, so he claims. As I've said before, Blott's war against God will be his undoing upon his death.
See Theghostofotto1932
obama_socks
1 / 5 (12) Aug 17, 2013
@Blotto/theghostofotto1923

You have been calling me pussytard for months now. What is this thing you have about pussies?
Did your mother show you her pussy at some point in your life? I have told you repeatedly that I am NOT Pussycat_Eyes and never have been. But you persist in calling me that in every thread.

Everyone knows by now that you are a hater of women, so it must be that you are calling me 'pussy' because in your insanity, you think I am a woman. I am not female and never have been as I have already told you many times and yet you continue with it while thinking it is degrading to me. And your disgusting knocking about of the word pussy to assign a label to the female genitalia and then going into this thread with your stupidity and your suckpuppets for downrating proves that you are a simple-minded moron.

You go into each and every thread to espouse your hatred of religion even when the thread is ABOUT religion. You know NOTHING about true Christianity. NOTHING

obama_socks
1 / 5 (13) Aug 17, 2013
Let's see....Army_Mom, GrndCntrlToMrjDong, Gmr, and Ralp and Kiweenie...new sockpuppets in Theghostofotto1923's menagerie, it seems. I will add them to my list.

Oh wait...I remember Gmr is an atheist, isn't that right, Gmr?

Why would an atheist want to be in a thread that is all about religious Christian women? Isn't that strange. Wow
FainAvis
3.7 / 5 (9) Aug 17, 2013
obama_socks and TheGhostofOtto1923

Your feud spoils any chance that the rest of us can discuss the article rationally.
Both of you: Please go somewhere else to hiss and rant at each other.
djr
5 / 5 (1) Aug 18, 2013
rug: "Whatever you believe in doesn't matter to me."

I have to differ with you on that one rug. Here is the point for me. We are making a lot of progress scientifically (see any given day on physorg), and if you follow the curve - we will one day eradicate all disease and ageing, and accomplish immortality. The progress is actually slow - compared to what it could be. Imagine if every one had a Phd in some field of science, and we converted every penny spent on the military, police, security, lawyers, welfare, 95% of government, etc. etc. to science. There would be an explosion. Look now at countries like Afghastinan. Beating women for wanting to read a book. To me - the greatest force holding back our world is religion. Free and Sox and Rygg come to this kind of site to promote this religion. Look at this one quote from Free - "Otto, you are like all Progressive Secular Atheists" Look at the unscientific nonsense (all secular atheists are the same???) cont.
djr
5 / 5 (3) Aug 18, 2013
Free preaches about love - at the same time on another thread - Free, and Sox, and Ryggy have triple teamed me for pointing out that Rygg is posting racism on a science web site. The three of them thought it was cute to call me a violent, hateful, racist, bigot, for trying to point out Rygg's racism. Sox - knowing NOTHING about my wife - calls her an innefective teacher, and a racist. And then Free preaches about love??? come on!! So I do care about what others believe - when it holds us in chains as a species - and I may not get to see the moment of immortality - because of their ignorance. Dialogue is worthless with these guys - but maybe pointing their ignorance out to the world will do some good.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Aug 18, 2013
most on your profile page is not me
But it is very EASY to see that you are LYING by dropping these quotes into google and finding exactly where and when you SAID them.

No engineer would say the stupid things you said, which are on that long list on my profile page. Many people here have told you this. Why is it that you think you can continue to lie and get away with it?

And you did claim to be a black male psychiatrist as racistblackguy. What MD would ever use such a nick? What MD would downrate myself and others over the last year and a half, which you have obviously done with your racistblackguy sockpuppet?

Just how ignorant ARE you pussytard? Why do you insult the community like this?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (4) Aug 18, 2013
Your feud spoils any chance
The person currentlyposting as Obama_socks pretends to be professionals like doctors and engineers and farmers and nurses, and then floods these threads with inane bullshit that some naive individuals might regard as fact.

You have no problem with this behavior, but you have a problem with others when they rightly take issue with it?

Why is that?

It is not possible to 'go somewhere else'. This person posts their crap HERE. I and others will continue to object to it HERE, whenever it appears.

Do you understand?
djr
4 / 5 (4) Aug 18, 2013
" I and others will continue to object to it HERE,"

I think it is good that people draw our attention to some of the bullshit like sockpuppets, and crazy posters etc. Nick recently linked to some good information on Vendi - and it seems to have served to cut down the death threats etc. The problem as FainAvis points out is that the threads can become overwhelmed with the off topic stuff. I would encourage you to keep us informed about the crazy shit Otto - but not to engage Sox in protracted pissing matches - believe me I know how easy it is to get pulled in to these spats - but just post your truth, and move on. My vote is as much as possible to keep the comments about the science.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (5) Aug 18, 2013
but not to engage Sox in protracted pissing matches
Without my commentary you would still see protracted flooding of incredicle bullshit from this person, and it would go unanswered. What's the difference?
some good information on vendi
Vendicar is a harmless charicature who doesn't pretend to be a professional. Obama_sox pretends to be an engineer, a nurse, a psychiatrist. Out in the world this can be a felony. Here at physorg it is merely an insult to all the professionals who have worked very hard to get where they are and who resent this affront.

The mods apparently think it's ok for people to pretend to be pros but in all fairness I suppose it is hard to verify. Myself and many others however think it is unacceptable, and will continue to express our outrage.

BTW pussytard is what vendicar used to call pussycat_eyes. It stuck, and it suits.
djr
5 / 5 (2) Aug 18, 2013
Otto: "Without my commentary you would still see protracted flooding of incredicle bullshit from this person, and it would go unanswered. What's the difference?"

I guess the difference might be there would be a little less of it. You obviously know that I am one of the most gullible in terms of getting drawn in to protracted spats - that clearly accomplish nothing. I am going to try to cut back - and just point the bullshit out - without spending my whole weekend staring at a computer screen. Wish me luck.

"Vendicar is a harmless charicature" - Vendi becomes problematic for me when veering in to death threats etc. Sadly - Vendi appears to have a good grounding in science - so at least has something substantive and constructive to offer.

I guess we each have to find our own balance.

Cheers.

freethinking
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 18, 2013
Getting back on point to show that the Bible does not airbush women out, consider:

Elizabeth and Mary (not Zachariah and Joseph) were the first to receive the news of the coming Messiah. They were also the first to prophesy about the Christ child.

The prophetess Anna helped pave the way for the coming of the Messiah, preparing those who were waiting for His arrival.

Jesus came into the world through the womb of a woman. For this reason Mary, the mother of Jesus, is among the most beloved, honored, and respected women who ever lived. She shows us just how vital women are to God's eternal plan.

It was unheard of for women to be listed in a Jewish genealogy. But the Gospels add women in the genealogy of Jesus.

Jesus was introduced to Israel by John the Baptist as "the bridegroom." God, therefore, chose a woman – a bride — to depict that which Jesus came to the earth to die for.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 18, 2013
Jesus spoke to a Samaritan woman in public and told her some of the most amazing things about God that He ever shared with anyone. The disciples were shocked that He spoke to her in public. Not just because she was a woman, but because she was a Samaritan. Jews weren't supposed to speak to Samaritans.

Jesus often used women in His parables and made them heroes. Think of the widow and her mite, the woman and the lost coin, the persistent widow and the unjust judge, the ten virgins with oil in their lamps, etc.

Jesus allowed a "sinful woman" (which many believe to have been a prostitute) to kiss His feet. She also unbound her hair which was a scandalous gesture in that day. Yet Jesus allowed her to love Him extravagantly in the house of a Pharisee.

Jesus allowed an unclean woman to touch Him. As a result, she was healed.

Jesus became the defense attorney to a woman caught in the act of adultery. As a result, her life was saved.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 18, 2013
Jesus healed the daughter of a persistent Gentile woman and gave her one of the highest compliments He paid anyone. Her faith was peerless in His eyes.

Jesus is said to have "loved" two women who lived in the little village of Bethany (Mary and Martha) along with their brother Lazarus. Mary and Martha were among Jesus' closest disciples and were probably the most prominent women in His life, next to His mother.
Jesus entered into a woman's home (Martha) and taught another woman (Mary) specifically, along with His other disciples. For a Jewish teacher to come into a woman's house to teach was unheard of.

Jesus allowed a woman (Mary of Bethany) to sit at His feet and learn from Him. To sit at a person's feet was to take the posture of a disciple. So Jesus allowed Mary to learn from Him the same way that He allowed His male disciples to learn from Him. Jesus allowed Mary to take up the space that was only designated for men (this is why Martha objected so strongly).
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 18, 2013
Jesus said that Mary of Bethany would be mentioned and remembered wherever the gospel would be preached. An amazing honor. This was after Mary anointed His body for burial with a rare and expensive perfume.

Jesus defended a woman on two occasions when her act of love and devotion were ridiculed and rebuked. Mary of Bethany was rebuked by her sister Martha and later by Judas and the other disciples. In both cases, Jesus rose to Mary's defense.

A group of women followed Jesus along with the Twelve. They also took care of His needs out of their substance. This group of female disciples are called "the women" by Luke in the Gospels and in Acts. Jesus was the first Jewish teacher to have women disciples. And for a Jewish woman to leave her home and travel with a Jewish teacher was not only exotically rare, but it was considered scandalous.

Jesus spent His last week on earth (before His resurrection) in the home of a woman. He stayed with Mary, Martha, and Lazarus in Martha's home.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 18, 2013
Jesus' female disciples stayed with Jesus during His death, proving themselves to be more faithful than most of His male disciples. With the exception of John, Jesus' male disciples deserted Him during His darkest hour.
Jesus' female disciples were the first to show up at His tomb to care for His body.
The first eyes that witnessed the resurrected Christ were the eyes of a woman (Mary Magdalene). Ironically, during the first century, a woman's testimony was of no use in a court of law. Yet God in His wisdom allowed a woman to be the first witness to the greatest miracle ever accomplished.

In the whole of Jesus' public ministry there was nothing in His words or deeds that indicated any concern to airbush women out.
freethinking
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 18, 2013
Hypocrisy:
djr attacking others for racism when he himself is inherently a racist.
Otto attacking others for imagined sockpuppets, when he has admitted to using sockpuppets.

Well, each to his own.... right? One day Secular Progressive Humanist Atheists may find out what Love is and follow the path of Love. On that day, they will no longer be Secular Progressive Humanist Atheist.

djr
3 / 5 (2) Aug 18, 2013
"One day Secular Progressive Humanist Atheists may find out what Love is and follow the path of Love."

I thought free wanted to get back on topic. I wonder if the path of love includes accusing others of things like racism - with no supporting evidence. I wonder if free can tell us about the source of this little gem 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' Oh that's right - free gets to preach to everyone else - but does not have to take any responsibility him/herself. My interest is not in following the path of 'love'. My interest is in the path of knowledge - which is why I read a science site.

freethinking
1.3 / 5 (14) Aug 18, 2013
djr, which is why you read an article about how supposedly Christians Airbrushed women out of History, yea right!

djr, why are you so offended about being accused of being a racist? I'll take back me calling you a racist if you agree that:

1. All people should be treated equally regardless of "race" and none should be given special treatment by government or the media. Meaning it's ok to criticize Obama without being called a racist. It's ok to be white (or half white) and defend oneself from a black thug without being called a racist. (of course the other way around too.)
2. All people should be judged by their character and not the color of their skin.
3. If it is ok to criticize a white man for something, it is ok to use that same criticism against a black man.
4. Use of the N word is not acceptable by either white or black skinned people.
5. Racial Quota's, or race based admissions or assistance is wrong.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Aug 18, 2013
What's the difference between a racist and a bigot? A racist thinks that people of other races cannot be as good and decent and honorable as them. A bigot thinks that people of other religions cannot be as good and decent and honorable as them.

And further, bigots have books written by gods which TELL them this. In order to convince others to be bigots, all they have to do is open these books and read a few passages to them. AND if you accept this bullshit you get to live forever in s very nice place.

Religions bribe and coerce people to become bigots.

John 3:16 - the hook
John 3:18-21 - the sinker (If you don't believe, these bigots will think YOU are evil)

Jesus is a jealous god. 'No other gods before me' he says. And he means it.
djr
not rated yet Aug 18, 2013
free - I agree to all five of your points. Understand that I did not call Ryggy a racist because Ryggy criticized the President. I called Ryggy a racist - because in dissing the president (saying he is incompetent, and went to a moslem school, and is destroying America etc.) Ryggy happened to mention that the President's father is from Africa. That was racist - as there was no relevance to the conversation at hand - it was simply a way of slurring the president - by associating him with Africa - looky looky - his daddy is from Africa.

Now - answer me a question. What sense would you make of this reality. As an atheist - interested in the new atheist movement - one of the things we are having a lot of dialogue about is tolerance. Trying to prevent our movement from getting caught up in intolerant behaviors such as racism, sexism, homophobia etc. There are some very unsavory folks associating themselves with the atheist movement - who are engaging in unimaginably (cont.)
djr
5 / 5 (1) Aug 18, 2013
(cont.) vile, misogynistic behavior towards women in the movement. So there is a lot of discussion of the whole issue of making sure we purge this scourge from our organizations. I resolved to be willing to stand against such things as racism, and homophobia if I saw them - which is why I called Ryggy out - cuz I do not want Physorg to be a harbor for that kind of garbage. So - in taking a stand against something I believe is morally wrong - I am ganged up on by the three people on this site who are identified as 'Christians'. Understand - I have two good friends who are church pastors - and are very active in terms of being inclusive and tolerant people - so i am not for a minute lumping all Christians into one group. However, I am called 'hateful, racist, violent bigot' - for trying to take a stand against racism. What sense would you make of that scenario if in my position? Isn't bearing false witness one of your no no's?
kochevnik
1.6 / 5 (7) Aug 18, 2013
'Christians airbrushed women out of history'

This presumes that xtians have any attachment whatsoever to actual history. As expected they only finished half the job!
dtxx
1 / 5 (9) Aug 18, 2013
I've never been a NASA engineer. I work for a major aerospace company and the rest of my personal information is none of your fucking business.


Most of the people in my family work in aerospace. Trust me, your HR department would love to know about the insane shit you are posting online. People in aerospace have been fired for much, much less posted to facebook or wherever. So, where exactly do you work and what is your badge #? Don't worry, I'll find the HR department's phone # myself.

What do you have to worry about by giving me the info? Almighty righteous god himself will shield a true believer and vainglorious soul such as yourself from any worldy consequences.
obama_socks
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
Free preaches about love - at the same time on another thread - Free, and Sox, and Ryggy have triple teamed me for pointing out that Rygg is posting racism on a science web site. The three of them thought it was cute to call me a violent, hateful, racist, bigot, for trying to point out Rygg's racism. Sox - knowing NOTHING about my wife - calls her an innefective teacher, and a racist. And then Free preaches about love??? come on!! So I do care about what others believe - when it holds us in chains as a species - and I may not get to see the moment of immortality - because of their ignorance. Dialogue is worthless with these guys - but maybe pointing their ignorance out to the world will do some good.
-djr

You are OFF-TOPIC. Perhaps you wish to follow in the footsteps of TheghostofTheNaziOttoSkorzeny who ALWAYS goes into a thread with OFF TOPIC garbage to berate those who want to be ON TOPIC.

For shame, djr

obama_socks
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
" I and others will continue to object to it HERE,"

I think it is good that people draw our attention to some of the bullshit like sockpuppets, and crazy posters etc. Nick recently linked to some good information on Vendi - and it seems to have served to cut down the death threats etc. The problem as FainAvis points out is that the threads can become overwhelmed with the off topic stuff. I would encourage you to keep us informed about the crazy shit Otto - but not to engage Sox in protracted pissing matches - believe me I know how easy it is to get pulled in to these spats - but just post your truth, and move on. My vote is as much as possible to keep the comments about the science.
-djr

Perhaps you still don't understand that TheghostofBlotto1923 is the grandmaster of sockpuppetry in Physorg and houses his demons in those so that he can converse with them, causing others to think that Blotto has a big following of fans.

djr is too smart to fall for Blotto's lies.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 19, 2013
I've never been a NASA engineer. I work for a major aerospace company and the rest of my personal information is none of your fucking business.


Most of the people in my family work in aerospace. Trust me, your HR department would love to know about the insane shit you are posting online. People in aerospace have been fired for much, much less posted to facebook or wherever. So, where exactly do you work and what is your badge #? Don't worry, I'll find the HR department's phone # myself.

What do you have to worry about by giving me the info? Almighty righteous god himself will shield a true believer and vainglorious soul such as yourself from any worldy consequences.
-dtxx

Trust me, HR Departments are not interested in personal affairs unless it affects company policy or shows evidence of illegal drug use, or proves animosity or sexual harassment from an employee toward another employee. Buzz off.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (16) Aug 19, 2013
This study seems to be exclusive to religious women in the first and second centuries rather than those women in the Bible. Parents, community organizers, and small business owners? Such women don't really relate to the women of the Bible, who were influential in certain ways, but not much in a political sense or in commerce and trade. Those were basically male dominated.
In Genesis, we have the very first created woman, Lilith, followed by Eve as a helpmate to Adam. Lilith was banished to the land of Nod, supposedly the same place where Cain went after murdering his brother, Abel. It makes sense to me that Cain went there to find a wife, since the only other females available would have been a sister or his mother, Eve.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
most on your profile page is not me
But it is very EASY to see that you are LYING by dropping these quotes into google and finding exactly where and when you SAID them.

No engineer would say the stupid things you said, which are on that long list on my profile page. Many people here have told you this. Why is it that you think you can continue to lie and get away with it?

And you did claim to be a black male psychiatrist as racistblackguy. What MD would ever use such a nick? What MD would downrate myself and others over the last year and a half, which you have obviously done with your racistblackguy sockpuppet?

Just how ignorant ARE you pussytard? Why do you insult the community like this?
TheghostofOttoSkorzenyTheNazi

But it is very easy to see that you seek attention and great ratings by telling lies about many others whom you have intimidated for their failure to seek information from either Wiki or you. I have read all of your posts since you started posting.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
As far as being a Black psychiatrist, I have been a White man employed by an aerospace company in the capacity of an Engineer with many degrees.

What degrees and in what profession(s) can TheghostofOttoSkorzenyTheNazi claim to have been employed? Blotto has never mentioned his job. I think we would all like to know.

Perhaps TheghostofOttoSkorzenyTheNazi is most proficient as a story teller at a mental hospital library? Or perhaps TheGhostofOttoSkorzenyTheBodyguardOfAdolphHitler is a great floor polisher and has degrees in cleaning toilet bowls?

In his spare time, which is most of the time, Blotto chases after me, Estevan57 and others to intimidate us into quitting Phys.org in disgust so that Blotto can be, as he has mentioned several times in the past, "KING OF PHYSORG" through his sockpuppet, FrankHerbert.

Now why would someone go through such mental contortions just to feel the power of having control over who comes and goes in a science website? Probably to feel powerful.
djr
3.7 / 5 (3) Aug 19, 2013
Sox: " those who want to be ON TOPIC."

This is an article about women being airbrushed out of history.

Here is a quote from Sox in the comments section of said article.

"The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words and deeds that it had while it lived."

Let me repeat the first line of this post.

Sox: " those who want to be ON TOPIC."

rug
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 19, 2013
Dialogue is worthless with these guys - but maybe pointing their ignorance out to the world will do some good. -djr

No, sadly it will not. The only hope we truly have is not allowing people like this to put us back in the dark ages. Maybe getting to a point were anyone that has a scientific mind and wishes to go can go live on another world. A science colony so to speak. Where there is no religion and science can thrive. Sometimes, the best thing you can do is just leave people behind.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 19, 2013
"Free preaches about love - at the same time on another thread - Free, and Sox, and Ryggy have triple teamed me for pointing out that Rygg is posting racism on a science web site. The three of them thought it was cute to call me a violent, hateful, racist, bigot, for trying to point out Rygg's racism. Sox - knowing NOTHING about my wife - calls her an innefective teacher, and a racist..."
-djr

Since djr chooses to be OFF TOPIC with the above comment, for MY part I will point out that I have never referred to djr as violent, hateful, or a bigot. djr conveniently forgets what I said in the other thread, choosing to malign me in this one.
I called him a racist Progressive and I pointed out to djr the basic difference between "ineffective" and "incompetent" with regard to his teacher wife.

djr is oblivious to those differences and then lies about me calling him violent, hateful and bigoted.
That is pure Progressive bs, which is to lie about those who take issue with you.
FastEddy
1.9 / 5 (14) Aug 19, 2013
What in the name of Jesus is this article doing in a Physics journal??
obama_socks
1.2 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
Sox: " those who want to be ON TOPIC."

This is an article about women being airbrushed out of history.

Here is a quote from Sox in the comments section of said article.

"The Soul of an evil person will feel all the pains of a hellish existence as it is placed in the ground in darkness that is blacker than night. It has time for reflection of its evil ways and evil thoughts, words and deeds that it had while it lived."

Let me repeat the first line of this post.

Sox: " those who want to be ON TOPIC."

-djr

Yes, I said it and there are others who believe it also. My post is consistent with a thread that has a religious theme.
Atheists and other unbelievers are afraid of the truth and will go to their death believing that there is nothing else, only to open the eyes of their Soul and see only the horrible blackness as they lay there unable to get out of their body. You have condemned yourselves and your sins are written on your Soul. Yeshua only has to read what is writ
rug
1.6 / 5 (13) Aug 19, 2013
Nothing good apparently.
rug
1.9 / 5 (14) Aug 19, 2013
Atheists and other unbelievers are afraid of the truth and will go to their death believing that there is nothing else, only to open the eyes of their Soul and see only the horrible blackness as they lay there unable to get out of their body. You have condemned yourselves and your sins are written on your Soul. Yeshua only has to read what is writ


Yup, just the kind of crap that doesn't need to be posted. This is exactly the pig headed, no brain, NONSCIENTIFIC, doesn't have a clue, kick your ass if you show up at my house talking like that kind of crap I'm against.

You think I'm going to hell just because I don't believe what you do? Fine, keep it to yourself! Cause I don't give a crap what you believe.
BAKOON
1.4 / 5 (11) Aug 19, 2013
Speaking of hell...
The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say.
-Obama_socks

What a goddamned retard.
rug
1 / 5 (11) Aug 19, 2013
@obama_socks - just to put it in terms of your beliefs. You are just a man. You are not God, St Peter, or other saint. You are just a man. So who are you to say anyone is going to hell? If you think you know who is going to hell and who isn't I think you just might be breaking the first commandment. By your own religion doesn't this mean you are going to hell? I don't claim to know cause I'm not God.
obama_socks
1.3 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
"The Bible is not only a history of the Jews, but it is also a Book of Instructions of how to live."

I should have been more explicit, to say, "…it is also a Book of Instructions of HOW TO CONDUCT ONE'S LIFE"
That would be more accurate.
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 19, 2013
Obama_socks has also called those that disagree with him "demons" and "ghosts". This asshole has serious mental problems. It actually believes his sockpuppets are real people. My friend, a Kenyan psychiatrist, says it most likely suffers from SCHIZOPHRENIA and DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER.
djr
5 / 5 (4) Aug 19, 2013
rug "Yup, just the kind of crap that doesn't need to be posted. This is exactly the pig headed, no brain, NONSCIENTIFIC, doesn't have a clue, kick your ass if you show up at my house talking like that kind of crap I'm against."

Tell us what you really think rug (-: The sad thing is that the take away from all of this - is that there are folks out there like sox and free who want to turn a science board into their own private forum for pushing wacko beliefs - and there aint much we can do - cuz sox certainly seems to inhabit an alternate universe. Up is down, black is white, - so you just get tied up chasing your tail. Point out some truth or another - and you are a racist liar. Dialogue is definitely out of the question - you try to be reasonable - and accusations of liar and whatever else sox wants to say start flying - and you just tie yourself up in pretzels. It is sure a weird experience - but good to come out knowing not to waste your time - I think I am there now......
obama_socks
1 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
It is quite evident that the religious women of the first and second century conducted their lives according to the Instructions in the Bible, having ignored the violent history of the Jewish people in the O.T., but took into consideration the Instructions which the Jews failed to heed. Those women didn't just BELIEVE in Yeshua the Savior of Souls, but followed His Rules for achieving everlasting life. This is the difference between simply 'believing' and 'following'. It is belief in God the Creator and His Instructions and the following of those Instructions that makes the difference between the life or death of the Soul.

As I've already stated, the Souls of the evil departed, will remain in their bodies until Judgement day. It is easy to see that atheists and other unbelievers refuse to understand that the Soul is part of the flesh, because they regard it as an intrusion into their freedom to make the decision to choose between right and wrong, good and evil, and hate and love.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
There are those who believe that "everlasting life" means that the physical body will rise up to be judged on Judgement day.
That is untrue. The physical mortal body is matter/energy and remains in the ground and cannot rise up. It is the Soul that will rise from beneath the ground to separate from its atoms that will be called to rise up to be judged. These in the ground are not the righteous and good; these who remained in their bodies after death are the ones who made war on Yeshua and on God the Creator and did not see fit to follow the Instructions written in the Bible.

They made their bed and they lie in it. The religious women knew this. They knew that only Yeshua had the ability to rise from death physically, because He was no longer mortal and his body had transmuted from fully human to Spiritual. This simple truth was indisputable to the women of the Bible and the Apostles.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Aug 19, 2013
The very bright and well-respected NASA (not really) asstronastical engineer has this to say:
The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova and envelopes and draws the Earth into it.
When this happens, all evil Souls, including demons, will burn for eternity.
I say it again what it I believe to be true in spite of what preachers say
-Burn for eternity or until the sun burns itself out, right? Most NASA people including those who work in the lunch line down in the cafeteria know that stars do not last forever, so I am sure you must either be mistaken or you are a lying FREAK from HELL.
rug
2.1 / 5 (14) Aug 19, 2013
@TheGhostofOtto1923 - I think maybe he doesn't know that our sun will not go supernova. It will have a nova event but not a supernova. It's so small for such a thing. Plus with no companion star it's never going to happen.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 19, 2013
Yeshua. aka Jesus (Greek) or Joshua (Hebrew) was born human as fulfillment of an ancient prophecy that a Savior of mankind would be born of flesh. It is particularly interesting to note that it is the women of the Bible who are most sympathetic, caring and displayed love and affection for the man who was born to die for their sins. The women who came later for whom this thread is dedicated, all had the foresight and the comprehension of what had happened to Yeshua the Christ and also what was to be. They were not aware of the time when Yeshua was to return, but they knew enough to prepare themselves for what was to come.

@rug and djr

Your presence in this particular thread and your attempts to shut down the discussion that is pertinent to the topic of this particular article...is laughable. You have made the decision to join in Theghostofottoskorzeny's religion-bashing that is most prevalent in all of its posts.

Nobody cares what you believe or don't. It is none of my concern.
rug
2.3 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
Then stop preaching on science sites dumbass
TheGhostofOtto1923
1.5 / 5 (8) Aug 19, 2013
The physical mortal body is matter/energy and remains in the ground and cannot rise up
Obama_socks aka pussytard (Sicko) or racistblackguy (Sicko) doesnt care what is in the real bible for she has written a much better and more excellent one in her own mind. All xians do this.

"The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, he will physically raise all those who have died, giving them back the bodies they lost at death.

These will be the same bodies people had in earthly life..."

"...I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen"
Plus with no companion star it's never going to happen
With god all things are possible my son. If pussytard says it is going to blow up then it is damn well going to blow up.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
It is not my role to convert anyone of you to Christianity. Whether you do or not is your decision to make, no one else can make up your mind. Do continue on with the path of life that you have chosen. It is not God nor Yeshua who will condemn you for your sins, it is YOU who condemn yourselves. Your sins are written on your immortal Soul and it remains there when you die and are buried in the ground.
Nova or supernova is irrelevant. The burning of evil Souls will happen as the Sun explodes and envelopes the Earth and the inner planets. This is not a probability or likelihood - it is fact. Eventually, the evil Souls will be burned and cease to exist.

Perhaps you thought that the 'lake of fire' cannot go on for all eternity? Perhaps you thought that the burning will be quenched at some point and your evil Souls will be freed to live again? Nope, it won't happen that way.
There is a demarcation point between the Physical matter/energy and Spiritual matter/energy.
rug
2.3 / 5 (12) Aug 19, 2013
Oh I'm so tired of reading your crap. So I simply won't anymore. I do want to point out though that the sun will not explode, a nova is not an explosion. Only a supernova is.
djr
5 / 5 (4) Aug 19, 2013
Sox - "Do continue on with the path of life that you have chosen."I

Wow - for a while there I thought I was not going to get permission - and I would have to follow a different path - chosen for me by another. I am so relieved. All hail the great Sox....
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 19, 2013
My Kenyan psychiatrist friend also says wishing for everyone you disagree with to burn in the heart of the sun is a strong indicator of PSYCHOPATHY and means Obama_socks is a dangerous individual. Take care to hide your true identities from it or it may attempt to harm you. He has at least enough knowledge of computers to program an autosockpuppeting application. Keep in mind he literally thinks we are all demon-ghosts.

Did anyone read about the guy that murdered his wife and immediately posted pictures of it on Facebook recently? He believed in demon-ghosts too.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 19, 2013
As I have said, the "lake of fire" that burns evil Souls is within the Physical and is initially dependent on the Sun's explosion. But the burning continues in the Spiritual dimension in which the evil Souls are confined, and it is in the confines of the Spiritual where the burning continues for all eternity AFTER the physical 'lake of fire'. The evil Soul FEELS the agonies of the corruption of its physical human body as it returns to the Earth. It then must wait for the next phase. On Judgement day it is the evil Soul that will be called up to rise from the ground. It is NOT the physical body that emerges from the ground, as THAT has corrupted and rotted away previously. Only the evil Soul remains attached to the physical atoms.of its body after death, just as it had while it lived.

I have already commented that the Bible has some mistakes in it. One of those mistakes is what I have referred to in the previous paragraph.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
Then stop preaching on science sites dumbass
-rug

LOL...you STILL can't comprehend that the TITLE of this thread is "Christians airbrushed women out of history". What part of the term "Christian" are you unable to comprehend?
BAKOON
1.7 / 5 (11) Aug 19, 2013
My psychiatrist friend from Kenya just sent me this:

"Hi guys, this is Bakoon's psychiatrist friend. I want to warn everyone to take great care in dealing with obama_socks. He is clearly a schizophrenic and delusional individual. His perversions of religion are a classical symptom of schizophrenia. His violent wishes lead me to believe he is also a psychopath and would not hesitate to harm any of you if presented with the opportunity. Please be careful."

Obama_socks is a SCHIZOPHRENIC PSYCHOPATH. Do not feed his delusions. Simply tell him to seek help, as that is the kindest option available.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 19, 2013
LOL...That is like TheghostofBlotto's failure to comprehend that my gender is MALE, and continues to refer to me as "she" and "her". Is it any wonder that Blotto is regarded as the Physorg retard?
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (6) Aug 19, 2013
the evil Souls will be burned and cease to exist
Nope. You are going to burn forever. In part because
I have already commented that the Bible has some mistakes in it
-you have the AUDACITY to question the WORD of GOD.

"it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the ETERNAL fire," (Matt. 18:8).1

"And these will go away into ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46

"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of ETERNAL fire" (Jude 7)

-And as for your particular affliction:

"...all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death." rev21:8

"Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive."

-Hell is for liars pussytard. Repent. Confess your sins.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (6) Aug 19, 2013
My psychiatrist friend from Kenya just sent me this:

"Hi guys, this is Bakoon's psychiatrist friend. I want to warn everyone to take great care in dealing with obama_socks. He is clearly a schizophrenic and delusional individual. His perversions of religion are a classical symptom of schizophrenia. His violent wishes lead me to believe he is also a psychopath and would not hesitate to harm any of you if presented with the opportunity. Please be careful."

Obama_socks is a SCHIZOPHRENIC PSYCHOPATH. Do not feed his delusions. Simply tell him to seek help, as that is the kindest option available.
Ahaahaaaa dr Vinny Goombats. Highly recommended by witch doctors.

Heres pussytard and her black male psychiatrist sitting in purgatory.
http://www.youtub...-5-I5iBo
obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
The physical mortal body is matter/energy and remains in the ground and cannot rise up
Obama_socks aka pussytard (Sicko) or racistblackguy (Sicko) doesnt care what is in the real bible for she has written a much better and more excellent one in her own mind. All xians do this.

"The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, he will physically raise all those who have died, giving them back the bodies they lost at death.
-TheghostofBlottoSkorzeny 1923

LOL...another reminder of Blotto's failure at comprehension.

Those Souls who were righteous and good and believed in God and followed His specific Instructions that are written in the Bible, will have their bodies back AFTER Judgement day so that they will live forever if God wills it so.

Those evil Souls such as Blotto's will never get their body back because their bodies will be corrupted and cannot rise again. Only their Souls remain in the ground and will be cast into the lake of fire when the Sun explodes.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
Yeshua will not raise the bodies of the evil ones like TheghostofBlotto1923, those Souls will not deserve to live in those bodies ever again. THAT is one of the biggest mistakes in the Bible and was written by those who believed that to draw converts, it would be necessary to provide for the rising of the physical body. This is not possible, nor would Yeshua want for evil Souls to rejoin their body as though they had never done evil in their lifetime.

Evidently, Blotto loves his body and fears its corruption. That is the hallmark of the Atheist who is so attached to its physical body and cannot stand the thought of no longer having it. The atheist and other unbelievers who make war with God simply do not understand that it is God who gives and takes away, and mortal man has no say in God's decisions.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (16) Aug 19, 2013
"you have the AUDACITY to question the WORD of GOD." -Blotto the Nazi

I have the AUDACITY to question the words of men who MISUNDERSTOOD the WORD of GOD.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
My Kenyan psychiatrist friend also says wishing for everyone you disagree with to burn in the heart of the sun is a strong indicator of PSYCHOPATHY and means Obama_socks is a dangerous individual. Take care to hide your true identities from it or it may attempt to harm you. He has at least enough knowledge of computers to program an autosockpuppeting application. Keep in mind he literally thinks we are all demon-ghosts.

Did anyone read about the guy that murdered his wife and immediately posted pictures of it on Facebook recently? He believed in demon-ghosts too.
-BAKOON/BABOON

LOL...well at least BABOON gets my gender right, even if nothing else.

Oh yes, demons do exist. They are influencing your thoughts as well as Blotto's to tell lies about me and others. If you don't believe in God's existence, then you have opened the portal of hell by your evil words, thoughts and deeds and have allowed the demons in to influence you.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (17) Aug 19, 2013
I never said that I wish for anyone to burn or go to hell. I have stated that it is anyone's evil thoughts, words and deeds that will cause their Souls to burn in the lake of fire, both physically and Spiritually. You will never understand the danger you place yourself in, and what you do your immortal Soul is none of my concern. But I will continue to say what I know, in this thread and other threads with a religious theme.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Aug 19, 2013
I never said that I wish for anyone to burn or go to hell. I have stated that it is anyone's evil thoughts, words and deeds that will cause their Souls to burn in the lake of fire, both physically and Spiritually. You will never understand the danger you place yourself in, and what you do your immortal Soul is none of my concern. But I will continue to say what I know, in this thread and other threads with a religious theme.
Hell is for liars pussytard. Repent. Confess your sins.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (13) Aug 19, 2013
The Sun WILL explode. That is a fact. It will explode because it and all the planets and moons in the Solar system were created by God expressly for the purpose of making a home for His other creations. Every living thing that ever lived was created by God and allowed to evolve on Earth. Evolution is a process that God provided so that change could occur over billions of years that would result in the birds of the air, the fish in the sea, and all land animals. All these creatures existed before God created Adam and his first wife, Lilith.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 19, 2013
The Evolution from one-celled creatures all the way to the ones who live now, are ALL God's creations from that early time when He caused changes in the Earth, the waters and the air so that His creatures could evolve and and continue to grow. It isn't an accident that the atmosphere that was filled with noxious gases that were poison to life became gradually able to support life. Without God's decision to make Earth habitable, the atmosphere would have remained toxic as other poisonous gases emerged also from the Earth.

God has locked those poison gases into the Earth so that His creatures could live and procreate. God saw that it was good, and He decided to create a man and a woman from the same "clay". They were made in God's image and were immortal. But Lilith, Adam's first wife insisted on being Adam's equal because there created together. And when Adam rejected that idea, she left him and refused to return to him.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 19, 2013
When Adam's first wife left him, she, being immortal became an evil spirit - a succubus and a killer of babies. She was also the first demon.

Adam was lonely and when God saw Adam's loneliness, He brought many of his creations to Adam so that Adam could choose a companion. But Adam was unhappy and did not choose.
While Adam slept, God took one of Adam's ribs and formed it into a woman, and when Adam woke, he was happy with his new wife. Both Adam and his wife, Eve were immortal. But Lilith tempted Eve with the fruit of the tree of knowledge and she ate the fruit and gave some to Adam. At that moment, they were no longer immortal and they were driven from the Garden of Eden because they had become mortal and were destined to return to the Earth from whence they were created. That was the beginning of the descent of man into death and the rotting of his corpse.
rug
1.8 / 5 (15) Aug 19, 2013
Religion + knowledge = evil (obama_socks just said so)
Science+ knowledge = Every advancement we have made.

Lets start a vote, anyone that thinks socks here should delete his account and go join some people that think the same why he does comment Yes. For those of you that agree with him and wish I would shut up. Comment No.

My bet is we will have more yes then no. However, if we have more no I will shut up and move on.
kochevnik
1.4 / 5 (9) Aug 19, 2013
My bet is we will have more yes then no. However, if we have more no I will shut up and move on.
You should not use the population bomb employed by xtians as a gauge. As more proof emerges that their imaginary skyfairy doesn't consider this universe his abode, xtians must create dumber humans to replenish their stock of blind believers. A study this week already concludes that dogs are smarter than 20% of humans
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (7) Aug 20, 2013
The sun WILL explode. This is a fact.
An aeronautical engineer said this.

Pussytard thinks that physorg is a toilet and that she can come here and drop a load anytime she wants to. She has no respect for the people who post here or the professionals she pretends to be. She doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself.

More reasons why you are going to hell pussytard. This is a fact.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (13) Aug 20, 2013
Yes, the Sun WILL explode in the time after the Judgement of all evil Souls. Their Souls will burn when the Earth becomes one with the Sun. They will continue burning even after the fires go out in the physical reality. But in the Spiritual reality, they will continue to burn forever with no hope of redemption.

Evil men are unconcerned for their Soul because they don't believe in its existence, and likewise are those who have turned away from God even while believing that they are good, decent and honest men who can't possibly be regarded as a sinner.

Those who spend a lot of their time repudiating God and His son, Yeshua, with false accusations and mindless idiocy, and who choose to bear false witness against people like myself will have those sins (and possibly others) written ON their immortal Soul.

Death draws near to many and there will be no chance for redemption soon. You can believe or not believe. You have free will that God gave you. I have no pity for stupid unbelievers.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (13) Aug 20, 2013
@kochevnik

God the Creator, through His creative works with matter and energy, is responsible for all the Laws of Physics, ie, everything in the Universe. What you call Science is simply the ability of man to seek out evidence through methodical research and attempt to solve the mysteries of the Universe which God is already vastly familiar with, because it is HE who made all things possible.

You see only what is in front of your eyes. That is because you are human and imperfect. You cannot see the wider spectrum of everything in the Universe and all it holds because you are limited by your technology. Even in a billion years, mankind will still not have been able to KNOW everything. The Tree of Knowledge gave us only basic knowledge, but the One who planted that tree limited what it could provide to the imperfect Adam and Eve. We are between 2 "worlds", one is physical and the other is Spiritual. We lost our immortality due to the "first sin".
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 20, 2013
There are those who fear to be alone in their hatred of God, and so, they are doing and saying everything possible to be in company with others, even perfect strangers in a website where they will feel most comfortable and secure that they cannot be the only one to be held liable for their evil thoughts, words and deeds. This is the herding mentality and is largely a human trait.

But when each of us go to our death and eventual Judgement, we are very much alone. Because our sins are already written on the Soul of each one of us.

For example: Theghostofotto1923, along with his demonic sockpuppets, bears false witness against me, Estevan57, Pussycat_Eyes, MaiionBihjon, noumenon and so many others from the past. He has even accused me of being a Black psychiatrist who downrates him. LOL
Others have said that Blotto is just plain insane. But I personally believe that Blotto has opened a portal to hell and is possessed by demons who are speaking through his sockpuppets.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 20, 2013
@kochevnik

God the Creator is not going to appear suddenly in front of our eyes, unless He chooses to do so. And I doubt there is any reason for Him to appear no matter how hard we wish.

He made us imperfect and gave us free will because each one of us is "on trial". This trial period is the length of a lifetime, and all that we do and say is recorded and written on each Soul. He has already given mankind a Book of Instructions on how to conduct our lives. The instructions which commanded the Jews to kill and destroy were not instructions from God the Creator. Those were either misunderstandings by the original writers, or they were written to take advantage of the people through pretending that those were God's words.

But the other parts of the Book of Instructions (Bible) not only were good, but made great sense.
God didn't give us instructions to make us unhappy, miserable, reliant on government or a tyrant, or to hate one another. In the N.T.we are advised to LOVE one another.
BSD
1.7 / 5 (12) Aug 24, 2013
Progressives and Secular Humanist Atheists for some reason are not mature enough to be disagreed with, without them being offended and resorting to childish swearing and ranting.


You've got to hand it to [ freethinking] for his/her irony.

Your ID is ironic since you are a conservative bible basher and live your life by a book of make believe and preached by a fuckwit who lives his life by the same bullshit.

You also believe in a make believe figure called god that doesn't exist, never existed and by all accounts will never exist. You shitheads have never proven anything of the sort exists because god simply doesn't.

Kids have make believe figures they talk to. The irony here is, paedo palaces, better known as churches, are full of supposed adults all engaging in the same childish activity. Talking to a make believe figure, singing to it and making offerings to it.

If there is childishness anywhere in society, I can't think of a better example than you religious fuckheads.
BSD
1.4 / 5 (10) Aug 24, 2013
Fucking religious shits,

The only good ones are dead ones.

Pity there is no virus that can wipe out religious types, the world wouldn't have the population problem we have now.

I'm not an atheist or a humanist, I am a religion (bullshit) hater.

As an atheist, I would have to acknowledge the existence of this thing called theism. Since I know god doesn't exist, there is no such thing as theism.

This thing called religion is an alternate word for bullshit, since that is all it is.
Captain Stumpy
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 29, 2013
IMHO-the real killer is RELIGION. when dogma replaces logic, then it becomes dangerous, no matter if said philosophy is religious in nature, or pseudoscientific. if it refuses to stand up to scrutiny, and cannot accept empirical data, then it is no longer beneficial, and becomes nothing more than a cult.
but not all religious people are bad... or will drag us back to the dark ages. i think some people just need something to believe... something to give them hope. some use science, some use religion.
i dont know. i am trying to be optimistic, i guess. i dont see a problem letting people believe in anything they wish as long as it does not interfere with their ability to produce replicable results that can withstand scrutiny.
perhaps there is a lesson there in how the human brain works... belief in something can be extremely powerful, and can be used as a tool for good or ill.
BAKOON
1.8 / 5 (10) Aug 29, 2013
Hey, Obama_socks (Captain Stumpy) said something not idiotic! Too bad it didn't mean it.
Gmr
2.5 / 5 (8) Aug 29, 2013
I prefer to look at it in the light of 'meme' concepts. A meta-meme such as a religious organization instead "exists" as a concept capable of controlling and directing the behavior of more resources than an idea could restricted to one individual. As an aggregate pseudo-organism, it is beholden to it to maintain its resource base (individuals), so behaviors that avoid the chance that individuals could be recruited to other ideas are encouraged.

The problem is many of these anti-recruitment behaviors (isolation, xenophobia, purging other ideas) are antithetical to growth as well as adoption of any new survival behavior.

To defend against other ideas, the core ideas are declared to be inviolable, beyond change. As such, they eventually have to either completely control the environment to stop change, or change - or pass away.

They are unsupportable when subject to scrutiny, because they only exist to be efficient organizers of people into groups
Captain Stumpy
1 / 5 (13) Aug 29, 2013
bakoon- you don't know me. and I am not Obama_socks. troll.

Gmr - Meme concept- interesting way of putting it. something to chew on for a while. thanks.
freethinking
1 / 5 (15) Aug 29, 2013
BSD, you need to be able to do some Free Thinking for yourself. You just repeat the hate taught to you by your teachers.

I'm free thinking enough to believe in the possibility that there may not be a God. You are closed minded because you believe there IS no possibility that there could be a God.

I'm free thinking enough to say I WILL stop being a disciple of Jesus IF anyone can present a reasonable explanation of where his dead body is.

I'm free thinking enough to question ALL beliefs ALL dogma..... but smart enough to hold fast that which is proved to be true.

I don't believe you don't believe in God. I believe you Hate God because you know who He is and who you are. I don't hate a person or a belief that says I'm going to hell. Why? Because I don't believe it, so why should I be offended. You on the other hand believe and Hate.

http://www.youtub...dded#t=0
Gmr
1.7 / 5 (6) Aug 29, 2013
Freethinking, I have a pretty good idea of what god is. Real in the sense that exerts influence through human agents, but not supernatural. To hate something like that would be to presume it had motivation other than raw survival. I cant hate god any more than I can hate a bee or an ant that might bite or sting. It is capable of harm, but not actual ill intent. God the concept is beyond morality in the same way so many other unthinking creatures are.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2013
I'm free thinking enough to say I WILL stop being a disciple of Jesus IF anyone can present a reasonable explanation of where his dead body is
Why not something a lot less preposterous and a lot more convincing?

"Tel Aviv University archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog wrote in the Haaretz newspaper:

"This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom. And it will come as an unpleasant shock to many that the God of Israel, YHWH, had a female consort and that the early Israelite religion adopted monotheism only in the waning period of the monarchy and not at Mount Sinai."

-Oh and just so you know, there IS no mt sinai.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.1 / 5 (7) Aug 29, 2013
You on the other hand believe and Hate
Your video says that the fossil record is not sufficient evidence for evolution, even though it accurately and coherently records things which we cannot observe directly.

YOUR BOOK is the only evidence you have for this godman of yours. That of course and the warm fuzzy feeling you get when contemplating all the not-dying and wish-granting that it promises you.

But the book was also written long long ago about things which we cannot observe directly. And it is undependable as evidence because it is full of lies and mistakes which are very easy to expose.

Your evidence is dismissible and, unfortunately, ITS ALL YOUVE GOT. The bible is the ONLY SOURCE of any info whatsoever for the existence of your god, or the fantastical promises it makes.
You on the other hand believe and Hate
I hate lies and liars. I think it is a moral imperative to expose lies whenever and wherever they emerge.
freethinking
1.5 / 5 (17) Aug 29, 2013
Otto, admittedly you are one of the biggest liars around.....your self hatred explains your anger.
JohnGee
2.3 / 5 (9) Aug 29, 2013
It doesn't say much about the bible that Otto is right. If Otto can realize something is wrong, it must be pretty horrific.
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 31, 2013
It doesn't say much about the bible that Otto is right. If Otto can realize something is wrong, it must be pretty horrific.
-says TheghostofOtto's sockpuppet, JohnGee
obama_socks
1 / 5 (14) Aug 31, 2013
Thegoatofottoskorzeny claims to hate lies and liars...but consistently tells lies about others. Blotto thinks that everyone uses sockpuppets as he/it does.

Repent and ask God to forgive your sins, Blotto. If you get cancer and you're dying, will you still continue your war with God? Hah, I'll bet you will.
rug
1.9 / 5 (13) Aug 31, 2013
WHy don't you two just kiss and make up or at least argue via PM....CAUSE NO ONE CARES!!!!
Captain Stumpy
1.3 / 5 (13) Aug 31, 2013
WHy don't you two just kiss and make up or at least argue via PM....CAUSE NO ONE CARES!!!!


LMFAO! sorry! too funny, but a good idea !
it tend to get irritating when the thread s hijacked for a flame war, especially when the replies might be getting good... or when innocents are called sock-puppets because they don't agree with a certain persons dogma... this happens too often, third parties called into question.
BAKOON
1 / 5 (7) Sep 26, 2013
Bumped for posterity. Just look at the sheer idiocy of the religious morons in this thread. Email physorg and tell them to ban the offenders, particularly Obama_socks and freethinking.

http://phys.org/help/feedback/

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