CIA co-sponsoring geoengineering study to look at reversing global warming options

Jul 22, 2013 by Bob Yirka weblog
The CIA headquarters lobby is pictured in Langley, Virginia, in 2008.

The CIA along with NASA and NOAA is reportedly funding a National Academy of Sciences (NAS) project whose goal is to study several geoengineering options aimed at reversing global warming. Dana Liebelson and Chris Mooney have written an article which has been printed in both Slate and MotherJones claiming that William Kearney, a spokesman for NAS told them that the CIA is the "US intelligence community" member identified on the NAS web site describing the project.

Geoengineering projects are any attempts to alter the way the planet or its weather systems operate. The project at NAS is not to conduct any such engineering but to study several options that have been suggested by people in the geoengineering community as a means of reversing . Such options include sending particles into the atmosphere to reflect back some of the sun's heat, or building a machine that could suck carbon out of the atmosphere and sequester it somewhere. NAS has been given $630,000 to conduct the study which is to last 21 months.

More specifically, the project goals are to study ways in which weather patterns might be artificially influenced, assess possible negative impacts of doing so and to try to determine national security issues related to global warming or trying to reverse it. The CIA has previously looked into the issue of global warming as it applies to national security and even had a research center dedicated to its efforts. That center was closed down last year, however, after members of the U.S. Congress objected to the agency's involvement in such activities. It's not yet known how government officials will respond to this new initiative or whether private entities (conspiracy theorists) will consider such funding part of a larger effort by the agency to exert control over the rest of the world.

To date, there have already been attempts to alter the weather—the U.S. military (carrying out a CIA plan) famously tried to make it rain more during the Vietnam War to bog down enemy supply lines. More recently, China tried seeding clouds prior to the Summer Olympics hoping to cause rain to fall before reaching Beijing. A private company also recently seeded a portion of the ocean off the coast of Canada with the idea of igniting plankton growth that would suck carbon out of the air. Unfortunately, testing whether any such efforts have actually worked has proven difficult, if not impossible—how can you determine if the amount of rain that fell after cloud seeding, was more than it would have been otherwise?

Due to its efforts, it's clear the CIA is taking the issue of global warning very seriously. Changes in geography, could for example, cause wars. If snow pack melts, more land becomes available, also new shipping lanes will open up—both could become zones of contention. There is also the possibility of strife as some areas receive more rainfall and others less.

For its part, NAS will be building on research that has already been conducted by other groups. The U.K.'s Royal Society, for example, conducted a similar study back in 2009. The academy insists that it will make all findings public once the study is complete.

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Egleton
3.3 / 5 (26) Jul 22, 2013
Wait for it, here it comes.
"It's a Boondogle."
"A waste of taxpayers money." (Give the money to me, I know how to spend it.)
"It's world government."
"It's an Illuminati conspiracy to starve the people of the world."
"Drill, Baby, Drill."
Have I left anything out?
Ah yes. Something sarcastic about my wit.
I leave the floor to you.
antialias_physorg
3.7 / 5 (11) Jul 22, 2013
Have I left anything out?

How about: "Why in the blue blazes is the CIA in on this?"

The article says that it had its own think tank with regards to climate/security issues (which is already pretty far fetched - and no wonder that it got shut down). But them sponsoring a think tank on potential geoengineering methods is just the same under a different name.

Geoengineering itself is an iffy proposition at best - but if someone wants to look into it (in an abstract way): fine. But the CIA footing the bill is absurd.
Flash Fill Foto
1.9 / 5 (15) Jul 22, 2013
Why exactly is the CIA involved in this? Does it have anything to do with the supposed "HAARP" shutdown recently? How long has this been going on? What are the going to spray? Aluminium oxide? This is a massive red flag IMO.
Grallen
3.9 / 5 (7) Jul 22, 2013
The CIA funding Geo-Engineering research put a sinking feeling in my stomach. I was already concerned, but this make me worry that the threat could be more immediate and pressing that we are led to believe.
natello
Jul 22, 2013
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axemaster
4 / 5 (8) Jul 22, 2013
Ah yes, geoengineering, the one topic that probably scares scientists the most. That sinking feeling in your gut is trying to warn you about the risks of geoengineering, some of which are:

1. The fact that the results will be very hard to predict, since unlike CO2 we don't have long, detailed records to calibrate our models.
2. The fact that most geoengineering schemes involve dumping huge quantities of chemicals into the ocean or atmosphere. The chemicals are short-lived, meaning that if we stop, the full effects of global warming resume almost immediately. And the CO2 levels keep on rising throughout the whole fiasco.
3. The salivating energy and chemical companies who just can't wait for the world to get locked-in on their particular "solution".
4. The billions upon billions of dollars those companies have waiting in the wings, just waiting for the right time to start a massive lobbying and advertising campaign to persuade our corrupt government to go along with it.
krundoloss
3.1 / 5 (15) Jul 22, 2013
If anything is to be done, it needs to be slow, reversible, and mimicking nature as close as possible. Carbon sequestration would be good, but trying to alter other things on a planetary scale is extremely dangerous. We cannot predict the damage we could cause by going against nature at such a scale! The planet has been around for billions of years, it will recover from humanity, but we could get ourselves in a bind and cause our own extinction by trying to alter the planet. God help us if we kill the plankton...
rug
1 / 5 (9) Jul 22, 2013
@krundoloss Oh killing plankton would be great. Means crabby patties for everyone. lol Ok, maybe I watch to much tv with my kids.
aroc91
5 / 5 (13) Jul 22, 2013
In dense aether model every group of people - no matter how noble their intentions originaly were - will start to follow their own interests when the concentration of money will exceed certain critical level - until it doesn't change into sociological/political black hole separated from reality by the event horizon of its own ideology.


So now, dense aether theory encompasses sociology and psychology? Jesus Christ.
eric_in_chicago
Jul 22, 2013
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eric_in_chicago
1 / 5 (17) Jul 22, 2013
...dunce-eater-tea-ring...
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.8 / 5 (18) Jul 22, 2013
were never build for global benefit
Of COURSE they were. Sometimes actions which are of vital import must of necessity be kept secret because the general public would never agree to them.

In other words, sometimes there are things which absolutely MUST be done even if the vast majority of people would object.

The majority are often suicidal. Look at detroit. People consistently elected leaders who promised the people things which ended up destroying the city.

People will most always vote in their own self-interest and for the short term. And so they must not be allowed to decide the most important things.

If AGW requires that the majority must suffer and sacrifice to preserve all that is vital, then that decision must be made beyond the purview of the people. Necessity trumps freedom, every time. Best that they are not aware of this fact yes?

This includes destabilizing tech, population growth manipulation, and war. The govts we see are NOT the ones that Lead.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (15) Jul 22, 2013
The planet has been around for billions of years, it will recover from humanity
But will humanity recover from it? 99% of the species which ever existed, did not. Our survival is our first priority.

We may be the ONLY intelligent species in the universe. If the earth needs to die for us to live then so be it.

Not the first egg cracked to make an omelet.
But the CIA footing the bill is absurd
Destabilization and economic collapse are issues of national security. Of course the defense industry will be involved.
rug
2.2 / 5 (10) Jul 22, 2013
I don't know about you, but that is not the kind of history I want the future to have.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (17) Jul 22, 2013
I don't know about you, but that is not the kind of history I want the future to have.
Too bad. It is not your decision to make.
Egleton
3.1 / 5 (15) Jul 22, 2013
This would be an experiment to counter the results of an experiment.
Telekinetic
2 / 5 (21) Jul 22, 2013


"If AGW requires that the majority must suffer and sacrifice to preserve all that is vital, then that decision must be made beyond the purview of the people. Necessity trumps freedom, every time. Best that they are not aware of this fact yes?" -GhostofHimmler

Spoken like the true Nazi that you are. Only a bootlicker like you opts for authoritarian control over the democratic input of citizens and scientists who had to fight this government to accept that global warming was legitimate in the first place. Hitler is dead- stop trying to resurrect him.
Shakescene21
1.8 / 5 (6) Jul 22, 2013
Do we know what "geoengineering options" NAS will be studying?
My experience with NAS is that they will focus on a few options that the principal researchers know about. They tend to have some hare-brained ideas which they push to the exclusion of topics outside of their specialties.

At this stage there should be an across-the-board survey of all the geoengineering options, with input from the public invited. Fat chance of that...
vlaaing peerd
5 / 5 (1) Jul 23, 2013
I don't know about you, but that is not the kind of history I want the future to have.
Too bad. It is not your decision to make.


albeit not him alone, it should be.

You have just reduced the people to "too dumb to know what's good for them" so let uncle CIA decide it for you. Have the state failed to educate the people or didn't they have the intention to leave responsible decisions to the people in the first place?

We have the public domain (researchers, scientists, specialists) to check for us what is good for us, we have the government to follow up on our democratic decisions.

All too much I see scientific research (especially regarding subjects as GW) being degraded as a political choice rather than a fact. Have you more faith in your politicians than independent scientists?

Because I do not and I bitterly conclude the resemblance with dictatorial and communist states/ countries where governments indeed act as if they know what is best for the people.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (4) Jul 23, 2013
I don't know about you, but that is not the kind of history I want the future to have.
Too bad. It is not your decision to make.

Democracy, remember? I know you have a hard time with the concept. Especially with the "one man - one vote" part.

If enough people think like him (and it seems that enough do) then it IS their decision to make.
rug
2.8 / 5 (11) Jul 23, 2013
Too bad. It is not your decision to make.

In a way it is. The decisions of every person every day make the world what it is today and what it will be in the future. I know at some point Earth will become uninhabitable to the human race. This is completely unavoidable because of natural processes. However, if humankind comes together we could at least prevent being the ones do destroy it.

I agree we need to expand into the cosmos for our own survival but I would prefer to not become like locus. Jumping from planet to planet killing them all along the way.

I would really hate for Agent Smith to be correct about us.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.7 / 5 (14) Jul 23, 2013
Democracy remember?
You and the tinhat-wearing Tk often mistake fairy tales for reality. You both think that by denouncing reality and promoting fantasy you can actually make it so. History shows us that this is never the case.

I describe things as they obviously ARE, not as I might want them to be. I would love to ride the rides at eurodisney all day long. I would love to be able to leave my doors unlocked as I tend to lose my keys.

Detroit is in the toilet because for the last 50 years the PEOPLE have consistently voted crooks and scoundrels into office. Why? Because they promised to give them things they COULD NOT AFFORD. The people preferred fantasy to reality, just like you 2.

Look around you. It is the same in Greece, Spain, Italy, and anywhere that crooks are VOTED into office.

So obviously, for the very most important issues, the people CANNOT be allowed to decide. And they aren't. And they never HAVE been. And it does not matter what songs you sing.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.5 / 5 (16) Jul 23, 2013
In Detroit, crooks and scoundrels are still convincing the people that bankruptcy is not necessary. They are saying that it is the creditors fault for wanting to be paid. They are telling the people to ignore the 13 billion dollar debt because parks and insolvent schools NEED to remain open and pensioners NEED to be paid.

And yet they refused to cede belle isle to the state because it is part of the 'spirit' of the city, even though it will now fill up with garbage because they can't afford to take care of it. And they are going to lose it anyway.

You can't have people like kwamee kilpatrick running the world even though this is what the people WANT. They WANTED adolph hitler didn't they?
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (19) Jul 24, 2013
Wait for it, here it comes.
"It's a Boondogle."
"A waste of taxpayers money." (Give the money to me, I know how to spend it.)
"It's world government."
"It's an Illuminati conspiracy to starve the people of the world."
"Drill, Baby, Drill."
Have I left anything out?
Ah yes. Something sarcastic about my wit.
I leave the floor to you.

Have you left anything out?
NOPE, that captured your stupidity quite comprehensively.
deepsand
2.8 / 5 (20) Jul 24, 2013
Wait for it, here it comes.
"It's a Boondogle."
"A waste of taxpayers money." (Give the money to me, I know how to spend it.)
"It's world government."
"It's an Illuminati conspiracy to starve the people of the world."
"Drill, Baby, Drill."
Have I left anything out?
Ah yes. Something sarcastic about my wit.
I leave the floor to you.

Have you left anything out?
NOPE, that captured your stupidity quite comprehensively.

You lack the humour to be entertaining, the knowledge to be informative, and have all the charm and attraction of a deceased rat which suffered from leprosy and incontinence.
julianpenrod
1 / 5 (19) Jul 27, 2013
All the comments, for an against the idea of the geoengineering the CIA is purportedly examining, all have one thing in common.
They take it for granted it can be done.
And garner high favorable rankings.
I point out that weather control chemicals have been dumped in the atmosphere causing non dissipating non contrail vapor lanes called chemtrails, and that chemtrails are the cause of climate change, and I am attacked and the sick cadre to destroy rankings get together to flood me with 1's, not because they agree with only part of what I say, but to dilute the effect of genuine higher rankings.
A reflection of the craven nature of "science" devotees.
adam_russell_9615
2.3 / 5 (3) Jul 27, 2013
Soon to be a made for tv movie on Syfy.
CapitalismPrevails
1 / 5 (15) Jul 28, 2013
Maybe the CIA wants some kind of cover story for HAARP.
deepsand
2.7 / 5 (14) Jul 30, 2013
Someone seems to have no clue as to what HAARP is.
grosyhpgrosyhpgrosyhp
1 / 5 (4) Aug 03, 2013
So many GE haters...
Yes, there are risks, but we have no other option. Only geoengineering can effectively mitigate effects of global warming and revert it. We can't stop global warming even if we cut ALL со2 emissions to zero. Too late.
Some form of GE is urgently needed. And it's inevitable, because countries like China can (and will) start it unilaterally.

Actually, we already make (uncontrollable) GE by means of co2 emissions. Why not to do it in organized and wholesome way?