Global warming may have fueled Somali drought

Mar 15, 2013 by Jason Straziuso
In this July 26, 2011 file photo, then seven month old Somali boy Minhaj Gedi Farah is treated in a field hospital of the International Rescue Committee (IRC) in Dadaab, Kenya. Human-induced climate change contributed to low rain levels in East Africa in 2011, making global warming one of the causes of Somalia's famine and the tens of thousands of deaths that followed, a new study has found. (AP Photo/Schalk van Zuydam, File)

Global warming may have contributed to low rain levels in Somalia in 2011 where tens of thousands died in a famine, research by British climate scientists suggests.

Scientists with Britain's weather service studied weather patterns in East Africa in 2010 and 2011 and found that yearly precipitation known as the short rains failed in late 2010 because of the natural effects of the weather pattern La Nina.

But the lack of the long rains in early 2011 was an effect of "the systematic warming due to influence on greenhouse gas concentrations," said Peter Stott of Britain's Met Office, speaking to The Associated Press in a phone interview.

The British government estimates that between 50,000 and 100,000 people died from the famine. But the new research doesn't mean global warming directly caused those deaths.

Ethiopia and Kenya were also affected by the lack of rains in 2011, but aid agencies were able to work more easily in those countries than in war-ravaged Somalia, where the al-Qaida-linked Islamic extremist group al-Shabab refused to allow food aid into the wide areas under its control.

In this Aug. 5, 2011 file photo, newly arrived Somali refugees wait outside a UNHCR processing center at the Ifo refugee camp outside Dadaab, eastern Kenya, 100 kilometers (62 miles) from the Somali border. Human-induced climate change contributed to low rain levels in East Africa in 2011, making global warming one of the causes of Somalia's famine and the tens of thousands of deaths that followed, a new study has found. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay, File)

The peer reviewed study will appear in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.

Senait Gebregziabher, the Somalia country director for the aid group Oxfam, said climate change is increasing humanitarian needs.

"In the coming decades, unless urgent action is taken to slash greenhouse gas emissions, temperatures in East Africa will continue to rise and rainfall patterns will change. This will create major problems for food production and availability," Gebregziabher said.

Stott said that the evidence is "very strong" that the planet is warming due to an increase in greenhouse gases. He noted that the study indicates that both natural causes—La Nina and the short rains—and man-made causes contributed to Somalia's drought.

The Met Office's computer modeling study found that between 24 percent and 99 percent of the cause of the failure of the 2011 rains can be attributed to the presence of man-made greenhouse gases, Stott said.

Global warming is caused by the burning of fossil fuels—coal, oil and natural gas—which sends heat-trapping gases, such as carbon dioxide, into the air, changing the climate, scientists say.

In this Aug. 7, 2011 file photo, Somali refugees herd their goats at the Ifo refugee camp outside Dadaab, eastern Kenya, 100 kilometers (62 miles) from the Somali border. Human-induced climate change contributed to low rain levels in East Africa in 2011, making global warming one of the causes of Somalia's famine and the tens of thousands of deaths that followed, a new study has found. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay, File)

Ahmed Awale works for the non-profit group Candlelight, which is dedicated to improving conservation and the environment. He believes Somalia's climate has been changing for many decades, with rainfall patterns becoming more erratic.

"If you miss one of the two rainy seasons we have a very severe drought. The other indicator is that there is a rise in temperature," he said, adding later: "This all negatively impacts the livelihood of the people. Most of Somalis depend mostly on pastoral production."

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antigoracle
2.6 / 5 (25) Mar 15, 2013
This is a new low from these Global Warming Alarmist Turds
Maggnus
3.3 / 5 (19) Mar 15, 2013
Not as low as your empty headed displays of moronicness.
Maggnus
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 15, 2013
Not withstanding againstseeing's tripe, the actions of the al-Shabab group are worthy of a crimes against humanity charge. To prevent the delivery of food aide to thousands in the name of religion is a crime worthy of action by the world bodies who claim to protect the innocent.

Want to reveal a conspiracy? Why does the world stand by and watch such a group condemn thousands to a horrible death?
antigoracle
2.1 / 5 (18) Mar 15, 2013
Not as low as your empty headed displays of moronicness.


Another 'brilliant' response from MagganusTurd
Maggnus
3.1 / 5 (15) Mar 15, 2013
Why thank you! Your appreciation of my brilliance is gratifying.
packrat
2 / 5 (16) Mar 15, 2013
They know they can't feed them but they keep right on popping them out on a regular basis. Add the idiot Islamist's to the mix and Africa should be ready for recolonization within about the next 10-20 years as there won't be anyone living in most of it by then.
VendicarE
2.7 / 5 (15) Mar 15, 2013
In the near future, the global warming denialists will be found hanging by their necks from tree limbs all over the nation.

Their crime is treason against nature, the human race, and their own nation.

Have your freedom lists ready people.
deepsand
2.6 / 5 (20) Mar 15, 2013
This is a new low from these Global Warming Alarmist Turds

Another steaming heap from AnalOrifice.
Howhot
3.1 / 5 (15) Mar 16, 2013
This is a new low from these Global Warming Alarmist Turds

Typical republican statement (TRS).
ubavontuba
2.5 / 5 (16) Mar 16, 2013
Global warming may have fueled Somali drought
...or not.

And to use this humanitarian disaster to sell "Climate Change" is despicable, beyond words.

Sean_W
3.2 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2013
This is a new low from these Global Warming Alarmist Turds


This is beyond a new low. These hateful cultists need to take a step back and ask themselves at what point they decided to abandon every shred of:
reason
logic
decency
ethics
character
shame
sense
sanity
humanity
honesty
perspective
deepsand
2.6 / 5 (18) Mar 16, 2013
Global warming may have fueled Somali drought
...or not.

And to use this humanitarian disaster to sell "Climate Change" is despicable, beyond words.

What is truly despicable is your egregious duplicity.
ubavontuba
2.1 / 5 (17) Mar 16, 2013
What is truly despicable is your egregious duplicity.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ― Socrates

Why can't you honestly discuss the science?

deepsand
2.6 / 5 (17) Mar 16, 2013
What is truly despicable is your egregious duplicity.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ― Socrates

Why can't you honestly discuss the science?

Let us know when you know of a worthy opponent. Sophists like you need not apply.
Ojorf
3.3 / 5 (14) Mar 16, 2013
Why can't you honestly discuss the science?


Difficult with someone who has not a shred of: reason, logic, decency, ethics, character, shame, sense, sanity, humanity, honesty or perspective.

Thanks Sean
Maggnus
3.2 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
Global warming may have fueled Somali drought
...or not.

And to use this humanitarian disaster to sell "Climate Change" is despicable, beyond words.



To pretend that anyone is "selling" climate change is despicable. Your conspiracy claims are failing Uba, the only people left listening are too busy hiding in their bunkers. Better hurry back into yours, some jack-booted gun stealer might mistake you for human and rat out your position to the Zeta-Reticulan Occupation Forces.
Maggnus
2.8 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2013
This is beyond a new low. These hateful cultists need to take a step back and ask themselves at what point they decided to abandon every shred of: blah blah blah


What, and let ourselves sink to your level? Did you even read the article? Are you so caught up in promoting your nebulous conspiracy that you have become callous to the real human suffering that has begun?

Rhetorical questions I know.

"And when confronted by the truth of the tragedies that global warming would foist upon the people of the world, the climate change denialists averted their eyes, slammed shut the doors of their bunkers and yelled "it isn't really happening!" "
Maggnus
3.2 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2013
Why can't you honestly discuss the science?


It's been discussed. You were just so busy promoting your particular brand of the conspiracy that you missed it.

Now that the debate has passed you by, you are desperately trying to rekindle some degree of respectability for a position that has been left in the dust of history. Which is why you can mistake the reporting of the start of the tragedies to come as "selling". You simply cannot face that you were mistaken.
ubavontuba
1.9 / 5 (12) Mar 16, 2013
What is truly despicable is your egregious duplicity.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ― Socrates

Why can't you honestly discuss the science?

Let us know when you know of a worthy opponent. Sophists like you need not apply.
This just serves to exemplify your own fraudulence.

ubavontuba
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
Why can't you honestly discuss the science?
Difficult with someone who has not a shred of: reason, logic, decency, ethics, character, shame, sense, sanity, humanity, honesty or perspective.
Indeed. ...as you've just exemplified.
ubavontuba
2 / 5 (12) Mar 16, 2013
Global warming may have fueled Somali drought
...or not.

And to use this humanitarian disaster to sell "Climate Change" is despicable, beyond words.
To pretend that anyone is "selling" climate change is despicable.
Whether you realize it or not, that's what you're doing. The fact is the globe hasn't been warming for quite some time now. Why are you denying the fact, if it isn't to sell a falsehood?

http://www.woodfo...98/trend

ubavontuba
1.6 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
This is beyond a new low. These hateful cultists need to take a step back and ask themselves at what point they decided to abandon every shred of: blah blah blah


What, and let ourselves sink to your level? Did you even read the article? Are you so caught up in promoting your nebulous conspiracy that you have become callous to the real human suffering that has begun?
Despicable. Absolutely despicable.

Did you even read the article? This suffering was the ressult of human conflict, not climate.

Rhetorical questions I know.

"And when confronted by the truth of the tragedies that global warming would foist upon the people of the world, the climate change denialists averted their eyes, slammed shut the doors of their bunkers and yelled "it isn't really happening!" "
Don't be an idiot. The deniers are the one's refusing to discuss the actual, observed science. ...like you.

ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2013
Why can't you honestly discuss the science?
It's been discussed. You were just so busy promoting your particular brand of the conspiracy that you missed it.

Now that the debate has passed you by, you are desperately trying to rekindle some degree of respectability for a position that has been left in the dust of history. Which is why you can mistake the reporting of the start of the tragedies to come as "selling". You simply cannot face that you were mistaken.

This just serves to exemplify your own fraudulence.

Maggnus
3.5 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2013
Whether you realize it or not, that's what you're doing. The fact is the globe hasn't been warming for quite some time now. Why are you denying the fact, if it isn't to sell a falsehood?


No, no one is trying to 'sell" anything because, although it is beyond the simplistic mind of the typical conspiracist to comprehend, no one who can think beyond their own horizon takes those few remaining bunker-ensconced pretend prophets seriously. There's no "selling" in the manner you are trying to intimate because the authors of these studys do not know about, nor care about, the few remaining fools who stand naked in the street screaming about the beauty of their robes. The SCIENCE "sells" itself.
Maggnus
3.7 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2013
Did you even read the article? This suffering was the ressult of human conflict, not climate.


A typical misrepresentation of the facts. Conflict was ONE of the MULTIPLE causes. You really should learn to read the whole article Uba, without bleeping over those parts that you don't like.
ubavontuba
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
Whether you realize it or not, that's what you're doing. The fact is the globe hasn't been warming for quite some time now. Why are you denying the fact, if it isn't to sell a falsehood?
No, no one is trying to 'sell" anything because, although it is beyond the simplistic mind of the typical conspiracist to comprehend, no one who can think beyond their own horizon takes those few remaining bunker-ensconced pretend prophets seriously. There's no "selling" in the manner you are trying to intimate because the authors of these studys do not know about, nor care about, the few remaining fools who stand naked in the street screaming about the beauty of their robes.


"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

― Socrates

The SCIENCE "sells" itself.
Indeed. You should try it sometime.

http://www.woodfo...98/trend

ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2013
Did you even read the article? This suffering was the ressult of human conflict, not climate.
A typical misrepresentation of the facts. Conflict was ONE of the MULTIPLE causes. You really should learn to read the whole article Uba, without bleeping over those parts that you don't like.
Your perfidy knows no bounds. This appears to be your problem.

It's clearly indicated in the article that the drought (a normal occurence in semi-arid climate, by the way) effected a wide region, but the humanitarian crisis was the result of conflict in a specific country.

ubavontuba
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
Here's why AGWites refuse to discuss the science. It's because their "science" works against their own arguments.

http://www.scienc...5354.htm

"In the past decade, the easternmost region of Africa has gotten drier, yet general circulation climate models predict that the region will become wetter in response to global warming."

Maggnus
3.7 / 5 (9) Mar 16, 2013
Your perfidy knows no bounds. This appears to be your problem.

It's clearly indicated in the article that the drought (a normal occurence in semi-arid climate, by the way) effected a wide region, but the humanitarian crisis was the result of conflict in a specific country.



My perfidy you say? This coming from a person who excels in promoting misconception, misrepresentation and deceit in an ill-considered attempt to sow fear and ignorance in the promotion of some nebulous conspiracy! Might want to take a minute and consider the meaning of the big word you toss in so carelessly.

And how, pray tell Mr Perfidy. does your next paragraph change my contention the drought arose from multiple causes? Does the exaggerbation of the crisis by the actions of one group mean none of the other factors needs be considered?

Don't bother, you answer will just be more of the same misdirection and conspiratorial allegations of malevolent intent.
mukulium
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2013
"Global warming may have fueled Somali drought"

Unikorn urine may have fueled Indian monsoon.
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2013
My perfidy you say?
Indeed.

This coming from a person who excels in promoting misconception, misrepresentation and deceit in an ill-considered attempt to sow fear and ignorance in the promotion of some nebulous conspiracy!
Slander and lies are all you have?

Might want to take a minute and consider the meaning of the big word you toss in so carelessly.
If the shoe fits...

And how, pray tell Mr Perfidy. does your next paragraph change my contention the drought arose from multiple causes? Does the exaggerbation of the crisis by the actions of one group mean none of the other factors needs be considered?
Nice feint there, but we're not discussing the drought, but rather the associated humanitarian disaster.

Don't bother, you answer will just be more of the same misdirection and conspiratorial allegations of malevolent intent.
Don't look now, but your perfidy is showing.

Maggnus
4 / 5 (8) Mar 16, 2013
Nice feint there, but we're not discussing the drought, but rather the associated humanitarian disaster.


Only someone as utterly morally corrupt and odious as you would try to make such a distinction.
kochevnik
3.5 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
@ubavontuba It's clearly indicated in the article that the drought (a normal occurence in semi-arid climate, by the way) effected a wide region, but the humanitarian crisis was the result of conflict in a specific country.
Even a child knows that war follows long drought
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2013
Nice feint there, but we're not discussing the drought, but rather the associated humanitarian disaster.


Only someone as utterly morally corrupt and odious as you would try to make such a distinction.
Now you would seek to ignore the humanitarian disaster? This just serves to exemplify your callous perfidy.

ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 16, 2013
Even a child knows that war follows long drought
Even a child knows that war is the result of evil intentions, intolerance, and stupidity. The drought had nothing to do with it.
kochevnik
3.8 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
Even a child knows that war follows long drought
Even a child knows that war is the result of evil intentions, intolerance, and stupidity. The drought had nothing to do with it.
The outcome in Somalia is a tapestry of factors woven together. Claiming drought isn't the main thread in the fabric is abject stupidity. And stop insulting children. Ignorance as yours must be acquired
ubavontuba
1.5 / 5 (11) Mar 16, 2013
Even a child knows that war follows long drought
Even a child knows that war is the result of evil intentions, intolerance, and stupidity. The drought had nothing to do with it.
The outcome in Somalia is a tapestry of factors woven together. Claiming drought isn't the main thread in the fabric is abject stupidity. And stop insulting children. Ignorance as yours must be acquired
Since when has drought ever picked up a gun?
deepsand
2.5 / 5 (13) Mar 17, 2013
What is truly despicable is your egregious duplicity.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." ― Socrates

Why can't you honestly discuss the science?

Let us know when you know of a worthy opponent. Sophists like you need not apply.
This just serves to exemplify your own fraudulence.

Non sequitur, as is to be expected from a sophist such as yourself.
Parsec
4 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2013
The denialists on the one side hurling insults to scientists on the the other, and then scientists using the name calling to hurl insults right back... Its quite unproductive.

I think its fair to say that almost everyone, on both sides of the climate change divide can agree that human beings are doing great damage to our planet. This is in the form of pollution, environmental degradation, overpopulation, ignorance, etc. And the effects kill a lot of people, and will continue to kill more of them in the future.

Working together to reduce man's negative impact should be the goal of all right thinking beings.
Eugene
2.6 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2013
It seems the climate monitoring system in Somalia has largely been destroyed by civil war that began in 1990. According to this report from 2007(copy and paste, sorry no html tags)"http://www.faoswa...ia.pdf". The rainfall in Somalia is variable from year to year, location to location. It seems that taking a localized effect and using it as an example is suspect.
deepsand
2.2 / 5 (13) Mar 17, 2013
It seems the climate monitoring system in Somalia has largely been destroyed by civil war that began in 1990. According to this report from 2007(copy and paste, sorry no html tags)"http://www.faoswa...ia.pdf". The rainfall in Somalia is variable from year to year, location to location. It seems that taking a localized effect and using it as an example is suspect.

Setting aside the fact that the cited work is 5 years old, and that it gives evidence of the data collection system already then being well on its way to being rebuilt, the study here under discussion does not draw conclusions based on either a "localized effect" or on a sparse data set collected in Somalia.
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2013
Let us know when you know of a worthy opponent.
You're certainly not worthy.

ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2013
The denialists on the one side hurling insults to scientists on the the other, and then scientists using the name calling to hurl insults right back... Its quite unproductive.
LOL. So just WHO do you think is a scientist here?

I think its fair to say that almost everyone, on both sides of the climate change divide can agree that human beings are doing great damage to our planet. This is in the form of pollution, environmental degradation, overpopulation, ignorance, etc.
And I would venture to bet that I'm the only one working professionally in an environmental protection capacity.

And the effects kill a lot of people, and will continue to kill more of them in the future.
Surprisngly, this isn't true. Mankind is living longer and healthier lives than ever.

Working together to reduce man's negative impact should be the goal of all right thinking beings.
Certainly.

deepsand
2.3 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2013
Let us know when you know of a worthy opponent.
You're certainly not worthy.

Nevertheless, you remain a puerile sophist.
ubavontuba
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 17, 2013
Nevertheless, you remain a puerile sophist.
LOL. It looks like the puerile (childish) one is you, as exemplified by your incessant name-calling.

And as far as being a sophist (paid commentator), please, tell me how I might get paid for this. Are you being paid for this? Who's paying?

deepsand
2.4 / 5 (14) Mar 17, 2013
And I would venture to bet that I'm the only one working professionally in an environmental protection capacity.

Doesn't mean shit to a tree. I can show you maintenance & repair supervisors and managers who don't know the difference between a box wrench and an open end wrench.

Mankind is living longer and healthier lives than ever.

Neither mankind's health nor longevity are universally increasing.

Given your self-acclaimed intellect, it should have been child's play for you to have done some research so as to avoid having made such false claims.
ubavontuba
1.7 / 5 (11) Mar 17, 2013
And I would venture to bet that I'm the only one working professionally in an environmental protection capacity.
Doesn't mean shit to a tree. I can show you maintenance & repair supervisors and managers who don't know the difference between a box wrench and an open end wrench.
So you're an auto mechanic?

Mankind is living longer and healthier lives than ever.
Neither mankind's health nor longevity are universally increasing.
Generally speaking, sure they are. But I'm not surprised you didn't know the science:

http://www.scienc...s_easier

Given your self-acclaimed intellect, it should have been child's play for you to have done some research so as to avoid having made such false claims.
LOL. Apparently you should follow your own advice, before spouting off.

deepsand
2.2 / 5 (13) Mar 17, 2013
Nevertheless, you remain a puerile sophist.
LOL. It looks like the puerile (childish) one is you, as exemplified by your incessant name-calling.

And as far as being a sophist (paid commentator), please, tell me how I might get paid for this. Are you being paid for this? Who's paying?

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
ubavontuba
2.1 / 5 (11) Mar 17, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

deepsand = loser.

deepsand
2 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2013
And I would venture to bet that I'm the only one working professionally in an environmental protection capacity.
Doesn't mean shit to a tree. I can show you maintenance & repair supervisors and managers who don't know the difference between a box wrench and an open end wrench.
So you're an auto mechanic?

Mankind is living longer and healthier lives than ever.
Neither mankind's health nor longevity are universally increasing.
Generally speaking, sure they are. But I'm not surprised you didn't know the science:

http://www.scienc...s_easier

Given your self-acclaimed intellect, it should have been child's play for you to have done some research so as to avoid having made such false claims.
LOL. Apparently you should follow your own advice, before spouting off.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
ubavontuba
1.7 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
Reported for POINTLESS VERBIAGE.
deepsand
2.5 / 5 (13) Mar 17, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

deepsand = loser.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (10) Mar 17, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
Reported for POINTLESS VERBIAGE.

It appears deepsand has gone off the deep end.
deepsand
2.5 / 5 (13) Mar 17, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
Reported for POINTLESS VERBIAGE.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
deepsand
2.5 / 5 (13) Mar 17, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
Reported for POINTLESS VERBIAGE.

It appears deepsand has gone off the deep end.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
arq
3.9 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2013
@ubavontuda, Lung cancer is caused by other means too and not just cigarettes. It doesnt mean cigarattes dont cause or contribute to lung cancer. Similarly droughts can be caused by other means too, that doesnt mean global warming doesnt contribute to droughts.

And in this case they increased the severity of the drought.
Lurker2358
2.8 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2013
[quote]where the al-Qaida-linked Islamic extremist group al-Shabab refused to allow food aid into the wide areas under its control.[/quote]

Why don't we hold trials for crimes against humanity, like Nuremberg?

It seems the biggest difference between Nazis and Muslims is that we don't punish the Muslims when they commit atrocities.

I bet if there was an oil refinery nearby we'd find some excuse to get involved.
Maggnus
4.1 / 5 (7) Mar 17, 2013
The demonizing of a group does not further the ends you seek. To decry the actions of al-Shabab is one thing; to demonize an entire religion based on the actions of a single group is racism.

To call the Nazi`s monsters doesn`t change the fact they were also Christians. By your reasoning here, all Christians should have been charged for their actions.

The problem is not Muslims. The problem is al-Shabab. Focus on the problem.
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 17, 2013
@ubavontuda, Lung cancer is caused by other means too and not just cigarettes. It doesnt mean cigarattes dont cause or contribute to lung cancer. Similarly droughts can be caused by other means too, that doesnt mean global warming doesnt contribute to droughts.
Drought in this semi-arid region is normal.

And in this case they increased the severity of the drought.
Show me your evidence.

ubavontuba
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 17, 2013
The demonizing of a group does not further the ends you seek. To decry the actions of al-Shabab is one thing; to demonize an entire religion based on the actions of a single group is racism.

To call the Nazi`s monsters doesn`t change the fact they were also Christians.
Surprisingly, this isn't exactly true. The Nazis officially had their own religion/cult (although most Germans self-identified with the Protestant or Catholic churches).

http://en.wikiped...f_Nazism

By your reasoning here, all Christians should have been charged for their actions.

The problem is not Muslims. The problem is al-Shabab. Focus on the problem.
Good point.
deepsand
2.3 / 5 (12) Mar 17, 2013
@ubavontuda, Lung cancer is caused by other means too and not just cigarettes. It doesnt mean cigarattes dont cause or contribute to lung cancer. Similarly droughts can be caused by other means too, that doesnt mean global warming doesnt contribute to droughts.
Drought in this semi-arid region is normal.

And in this case they increased the severity of the drought.
Show me your evidence.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
VendicarE
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 18, 2013
"Debating UbvonTard on the topic of Climate Change is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." -- paraphrased from Scott D. Weitzenhoffer
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
LOL. deepend is throwing a temper tantrum. Maybe the crybaby needs his diaper changed. LOL.

ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2013
"Debating Uba on the topic of Climate Change is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." -- paraphrased from Scott D. Weitzenhoffer
LOL. Vendispambot is so stupid it doesn't even know "it's" is a word! LOL.

deepsand
2.2 / 5 (10) Mar 18, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
LOL. deepend is throwing a temper tantrum. Maybe the crybaby needs his diaper changed. LOL.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
deepsand
2.1 / 5 (11) Mar 18, 2013
"Debating Uba on the topic of Climate Change is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." -- paraphrased from Scott D. Weitzenhoffer
LOL. Vendispambot is so stupid it doesn't even know "it's" is a word! LOL.

ubavontuba is so stupid that he/she/it can't even read correctly.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
ubavontuba
1.4 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2013
ubavontuba is so stupid that he/she/it can't even read correctly.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
LOL. deepend is throwing a temper tantrum. Maybe the crybaby needs his diaper changed. LOL

kochevnik
2.8 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2013
If websites had odor, the conervaturds here would make it smell like a septic tank
ubavontuba
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2013
If websites had odor, the conervaturds here would make it smell like a septic tank
I used to think conservatives tended to be less aware, and probably less intelligent than the seemingly more "enlightened" liberals. ...But then I came here.

Sinister1811
2.3 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2013
ubavontuba is so stupid that he/she/it can't even read correctly.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.


Come on, that's a bit unfair. And also, it's just plain wrong. His problem is that he specializes in being a fucking idiot. i.e. in this statement.

LOL. Vendispambot is so stupid it doesn't even know "it's" is a word! LOL.


You do realize that "it's" is an abbreviation for "it is" and therefore if Vendicar were to use it in that quote it wouldn't make sense. The majority of your comments are pointless verbiage, or senseless ramblings, and thus, deserve no more than 1 stars.
ubavontuba
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2013
Come on, that's a bit unfair. And also, it's just plain wrong. His problem is that he specializes in being a fucking idiot. i.e. in this statement.
Sinister1811 is a cyberbully who complains about cyberbullying. Can you say hypocrite?

LOL. Vendispambot is so stupid it doesn't even know "it's" is a word! LOL.
You do realize that "it's" is an abbreviation for "it is" and therefore if Vendicar were to use it in that quote it wouldn't make sense. The majority of your comments are pointless verbiage, or senseless ramblings, and thus, deserve no more than 1 stars.
Vendispambot not knowing "it's" is a word had nothing to do with that post. Rather, Vendispambot has previously stated that "it's" is not a valid word.

Sinister1811
2.2 / 5 (9) Mar 18, 2013
And also, human conflict isn't responsible for the lack of food and/or water in Somalia - there was a drought as the article clearly states.
ubavontuba
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2013
And also, human conflict isn't responsible for the lack of food and/or water in Somalia - there was a drought as the article clearly states.
Apparently you can't read.

From the article:

"the al-Qaida-linked Islamic extremist group al-Shabab refused to allow food aid into the wide areas under its control."

---------------

Try again, only this time, turn on your brain.

Sinister1811
2 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2013
Yes, but it also says this.

Global warming may have contributed to low rain levels in Somalia in 2011


And this.

"If you miss one of the two rainy seasons we have a very severe drought. The other indicator is that there is a rise in temperature,"


Keywords: Low rain levels. What does that mean to you? As far as I know, that could be considered a drought.
ubavontuba
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 18, 2013
Yes, but it also says this.

Global warming may have contributed to low rain levels in Somalia in 2011
Keywords: Low rain levels. What does that mean to you? As far as I know, that could be considered a drought.
Irrelevant to the discussion. As I've previously stated, the humanitarian disaster was a result of conflict.

And the proper keywords are: "may have"

i.e. It's merely conjectured that the drought has any tie-ins with AGW.

And, as I pointed out earlier, climate models suggest the opposite of drought should occur in this region, as a result of AGW.

Therefore, the whole article is a load of crap, and a despicable use of human suffering, devised for the purpose of "selling" AGW.

deepsand
2 / 5 (12) Mar 18, 2013
ubavontuba is so stupid that he/she/it can't even read correctly.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
LOL. deepend is throwing a temper tantrum. Maybe the crybaby needs his diaper changed. LOL

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
deepsand
1.9 / 5 (13) Mar 18, 2013
If websites had odor, the conervaturds here would make it smell like a septic tank
I used to think conservatives tended to be less aware, and probably less intelligent than the seemingly more "enlightened" liberals. ...But then I came here.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
deepsand
1.8 / 5 (13) Mar 18, 2013
Come on, that's a bit unfair. And also, it's just plain wrong. His problem is that he specializes in being a fucking idiot. i.e. in this statement.
Sinister1811 is a cyberbully who complains about cyberbullying. Can you say hypocrite?

LOL. Vendispambot is so stupid it doesn't even know "it's" is a word! LOL.
You do realize that "it's" is an abbreviation for "it is" and therefore if Vendicar were to use it in that quote it wouldn't make sense. The majority of your comments are pointless verbiage, or senseless ramblings, and thus, deserve no more than 1 stars.
Vendispambot not knowing "it's" is a word had nothing to do with that post. Rather, Vendispambot has previously stated that "it's" is not a valid word.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
deepsand
2 / 5 (12) Mar 18, 2013
And also, human conflict isn't responsible for the lack of food and/or water in Somalia - there was a drought as the article clearly states.
Apparently you can't read.

From the article:

"the al-Qaida-linked Islamic extremist group al-Shabab refused to allow food aid into the wide areas under its control."

---------------

Try again, only this time, turn on your brain.

ubavontuba either doesn't have a brain or doesn't know how to use it.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
deepsand
1.9 / 5 (12) Mar 18, 2013
Yes, but it also says this.

Global warming may have contributed to low rain levels in Somalia in 2011
Keywords: Low rain levels. What does that mean to you? As far as I know, that could be considered a drought.
Irrelevant to the discussion. As I've previously stated, the humanitarian disaster was a result of conflict.

And the proper keywords are: "may have"

i.e. It's merely conjectured that the drought has any tie-ins with AGW.

And, as I pointed out earlier, climate models suggest the opposite of drought should occur in this region, as a result of AGW.

Therefore, the whole article is a load of crap, and a despicable use of human suffering, devised for the purpose of "selling" AGW.

ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
arq
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 19, 2013
@ubavontoda, drought is normal, but increased frequency, severity and duration is not normal.

You want evidence? there area million papers, journals, websites that say this.

And when you are saying it isnt so, give us evidence that it isnt so.
arq
4 / 5 (5) Mar 19, 2013
@ubavontoda, You are a bright guy, from what i have gathered from your arguments. So instead of using your brain to convince yourself that it isnt happening inspite of majority scientists saying that it is, do some research!

arq
3.5 / 5 (6) Mar 19, 2013
@ubavontoda, and if you are opposing it just because of ideological reasons thinking that it belongs to liberals or democrats or obama, then let me tell you that they dont have a copyright on that concept. Scientists have been talking about it,even before liberals have started talking about it.

And rememebr its only in the states that its a political/ideological issue. Most political parties, groups in most countries have accepted that its happening regards of where their political beliefs stand. I am not an american too.

So take ideology out of your mind(if thats the basis of your opposition) and do some real research from a 'wide variety' of trusted sources and not from tin foil websites.
arq
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 19, 2013
@ubavontoda, alqaeda exacerbated the crisis, but it would not have had happened if the drought hadnt taken place.

Causing and exacerbated are used interchangebly. For eg: it is said that obesity causes diabetes. It is also said that obesity exacerbates diabetes. In reality both are correct because obesity increases the risk of diabetes. So it can be seen as causing or exacerbating.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (7) Mar 25, 2013
@ubavontoda, drought is normal, but increased frequency, severity and duration is not normal.
This isn't true.

You want evidence? there area million papers, journals, websites that say this.
Hand-waving, without any of the proclaimed poof. How typical.

And when you are saying it isnt so, give us evidence that it isnt so.
Okay.

http://www.nature...575.html

ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Mar 25, 2013
@ubavontoda, You are a bright guy, from what i have gathered from your arguments. So instead of using your brain to convince yourself that it isnt happening inspite of majority scientists saying that it is, do some research!
I have. This is why I say it hasn't significantly warmed in more than a decade and a half.

However, I'm not saying warming won't resume.

And thank you for the compliment.


ubavontuba
1.3 / 5 (8) Mar 25, 2013
@ubavontoda, and if you are opposing it just because of ideological reasons thinking that it belongs to liberals or democrats or obama, then let me tell you that they dont have a copyright on that concept. Scientists have been talking about it,even before liberals have started talking about it.

And rememebr its only in the states that its a political/ideological issue. Most political parties, groups in most countries have accepted that its happening regards of where their political beliefs stand. I am not an american too.

So take ideology out of your mind(if thats the basis of your opposition) and do some real research from a 'wide variety' of trusted sources and not from tin foil websites.
Not that it matters to the science, but for the record, I am a lifelong Democrat and also an Obama supporter. And, I vote regularly.

ubavontuba
1 / 5 (7) Mar 25, 2013
@ubavontoda, alqaeda exacerbated the crisis, but it would not have had happened if the drought hadnt taken place.
Apparently you don't understand the concept of food distribution.

Causing and exacerbated are used interchangebly.
Sorry, no.

For eg: it is said that obesity causes diabetes. It is also said that obesity exacerbates diabetes. In reality both are correct because obesity increases the risk of diabetes. So it can be seen as causing or exacerbating.
This is correct, but irrelevant to this discussion. The humanitarian crisis was purely caused by human conflict. Without the human conflict, food would have been available in abundance.

Maggnus
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 25, 2013
Uba has already been shown to be a conspiracist and a liar as it relates to climate change. He can't help himself, he can only see the conspiracy he thinks is out there. His words on the subject carry no meaning.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Mar 25, 2013
Uba has already been shown to be a conspiracist and a liar. His words carry no meaning.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

Ergo: Maggnus = loser.

deepsand
2.1 / 5 (11) Mar 25, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Mar 25, 2013
ubavontuba specializes in pigeon chess.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

Ergo: deepsand = loser.
Howhot
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2013
Uba says:
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

... Mumble mumble .. and then " Ergo: deepsand = loser."

Guess it takes one to know one? Aye Ubatubby?
deepsand
2.2 / 5 (10) Mar 26, 2013
ubavontuba either cannot distinguish between fact and slander, or refuses to accept that the former stands as defense against charges of the latter.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2013
... Mumble mumble .. and then " Ergo: deepsand = loser."

Guess it takes one to know one? Aye Ubatubby?
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

Ergo: Howhot = loser.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Mar 26, 2013
ubavontuba either cannot distinguish between fact and slander, or refuses to accept that the former stands as defense against charges of the latter.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

Ergo: deepsand = loser.
Howhot
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 26, 2013
Ubba says:
Ergo: Howhot = loser.

That's not what your mother said the other night.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (7) Mar 27, 2013
Ubba says:
Ergo: Howhot = loser.

That's not what your mother said the other night.
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates

Ergo: Howhot = loser.

Howhot
4.2 / 5 (5) Apr 02, 2013
Ubba again asserts
Ergo: Howhot = loser.

You know Ubba, you can assert a false statement over and over and its still false. You and your kind of anti-environmental anti-climate change losers are clueless as to what damage your denial is causing mankind. When temps are 10F higher globally, how do you propose to reduce it?
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (6) Apr 03, 2013
Ubba again asserts
Ergo: Howhot = loser.
You know Ubba, you can assert a false statement over and over and its still false. You and your kind of anti-environmental anti-climate change losers are clueless as to what damage your denial is causing mankind. When temps are 10F higher globally, how do you propose to reduce it?
Sounds delightful. Piña Coladas for everyone!

But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. The IPCC predictions have already failed.