Click, print, shoot: Downloadable guns possible (Update)

Dec 21, 2012 by Jason Dearen

Downloading a gun's design plans to your computer, building it on a three-dimensional printer and firing it minutes later. No background checks, no questions asked.

Sound far-fetched? It's not. And that is disquieting for U.S. gun control advocates.

At least one group, called Defense Distributed, is claiming to have created downloadable weapon parts that can be built using the increasingly popular new generation of printer that uses plastics and other materials to create 3-D objects with moving parts.

University of Texas law student Cody Wilson, the 24-year-old "Wiki Weapons" project leader, says the group last month test fired a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle—one of the weapon types used in last week's Connecticut school massacre—which was built with some key parts created on a 3-D printer. The gun was fired six times before it broke.

Though no independent observer was there to verify the test, a short video clip showing the gun firing and breaking was posted to YouTube.

Federal firearms regulators said they are aware of the technology's gun-making potential but do not believe an entire weapon has yet been made.

Rep. Steven Israel said the prospect of such guns becoming reality is reason enough for the renewal of the Undetectable Firearms Act, which makes illegal the building of guns that can't be detected by X-ray or metallic scanners. That law expires at the end of 2013.

"What's chilling is that last month a group of kids used a 3-D printer to actually manufacture (key parts) of the AR-15 and fire six bullets," the Democrat said. "When the (act) was last renewed in 2003, a gun made by a 3-D printer was like a Star Trek episode, but now we know it's real."

Even with gun control pushed to the top of the national political conversation, Wilson is steadfast about reaching his goal of making a fully downloadable gun. This weekend, he and his partners plan to print four new lower receivers—the part of the gun that includes the trigger, magazine and grip. He keeps three of these AR-15 parts in his tidy student apartment in Austin, Texas.

While saddened by the Connecticut school killing, Wilson said Thursday that protecting the constitutional right to bear arms by giving everyone access to guns is more important in the long term than a single horrible crime.

"Clearly what happened in Connecticut was a tragedy," he told The Associated Press. "Still, by affording the Second Amendment protection, we understand events like these will happen."

He said he discussed with his partners whether they should suspend their effort, and they all decided it was too important to stop.

Wilson acknowledged there still are many technical hurdles to creating a complete gun from a 3-D printer and provided no estimate on when his goal might be reached.

Special Agent Helen Dunkel of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which helps enforce gun laws, said the agency is familiar with Wilson's project. She didn't offer an opinion but noted there is nothing illegal about making many types of guns at home. Exceptions would be high-powered weapons like machine guns and those not detectable by airport scanners.

3-D printing technology was developed for the automobile, aerospace and other industries to create product prototypes from the same hard plastics used in toys like Legos. Hobbyists mainly use the printers to design Christmas ornaments, toys and gadget accessories.

Prices on the machines have fallen as the consumer market grows, leading to a surge in interest from people in the so-called "maker" scene. Low-end 3-D printers can now be purchased online from between $1,500 and $4,000. The more high-end printers needed to make gun parts are still priced from $10,000 and up.

Stratasys Ltd. of Minnesota makes 3-D printers. Shane Glenn, director of investor relations, said gun-making was never something envisioned for the machines.

"The gun issue is something that the 3-D printing industry will have to address going forward," Glenn said.

Right now, most people interested in 3-D printing rent time on one. There are a number of businesses and co-ops in major cities that allow access to the machines for a nominal fee. At San Francisco's TechShop, which features a 3-D printer for its members, "assembling firearms is strictly prohibited and our staff is trained on that policy," company spokeswoman Carrie Motamedi said.

Wilson acknowledged his idea has met resistance from those active in 3-D printing.

"The early adopters of 3-D printing technology seem to be an educated, more liberal group who were against firearms to begin with," he said. Wilson said some are worried the gun project might spur regulations that will hurt or curtail their projects.

Early schematics created by Wilson's group were posted on Thingiverse, a New York-based website that serves as a hub for 3-D printing aficionados. After the school shooting, Thingiverse took down Wilson's links.

The site's spokeswoman, Jenifer Howard, said its focus is "to empower the creative process and make things for good." Howard said Thingiverse's terms of service state that users cannot use the site to share content that contributes to the creation of weapons.

Wilson said the group has already posted the links on its own website.

Paul Saffo, a Silicon Valley technology forecaster who teaches at Stanford University's engineering school, said Defense Distributed's work carries on a long tradition of tech geeks using innovation to make a political point, in this case on gun control and constitutional freedoms.

"If you want to get people's attention in Washington, you say something. If you want to do it in Silicon Valley, you make something," Saffo said.

He said the technology exists now for a highly motivated group to make a plastic gun on a 3-D printer that could avoid airport scanners. But the equipment is still too expensive for most people.

"Nobody right now needs to worry about the bright teenager making a gun on a printer in their bedroom," he said.

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tadchem
3.3 / 5 (23) Dec 21, 2012
"What's chilling is that last month a group of kids used a 3-D printer to actually manufacture (key parts) of the AR-15 and fire six bullets," (Rep. Steven Israel) said.
Will somebody please inform 'the Democrat' that a 24-year old is old enough to run for his seat in Congress in the next election?
As a law student he would not be unqualified.
Regarding 'gun control' it has failed in China, where they average 5-6 attacks on elementary student each year, by 'madmen' with knives, axes, hammers, cleavers, etc. - there was one in Henan province that wounded 23 children the same day that the Conneticut killings happened.
When Prevention fails ('when', not 'if') only Preparedness can protect us.
obama_socks
3.1 / 5 (21) Dec 21, 2012
A responsible citizen of any country who wishes only to defend and protect his/herself and family, private property, and even strangers who are in imminent danger of being murdered, has the MORAL responsibility to take down the criminal ASAP before, while in the process of, or directly after the criminal commits the murder. The great majority of gun owners are decent and law-abiding and have every right to owning their weapon(s).

Gun control advocates are mostly Liberal/Socialists or suffering from complete ignorance of the facts. They only react when a criminal/psychopath murders the innocent, but are not interested at all re: all the gun owners who SAVED lives by shooting the criminal(s) who have stolen guns or otherwise acquired them illegally.

3D printing of guns might eventually put gun manufacturers out of business, unless they adjust and take up the technology to augment their own technology. It is possible that there would be less jamming or misfiring with a uniform pattern.
eachus
3.6 / 5 (7) Dec 21, 2012
I feel that sensible contributions to the gun control debate require having personally sent several thousand rounds downrange from a number of weapons. If you make it to ten-thousand or so--and survive--weapons safety is not something you study or practice, it is a part of you. (Including staying away from ranges where poor firearms discipline is tolerated, and staying away from such shooters at other times, like hunting season.)

If I were an elementary or secondary school teacher, I would feel much safer with a baseball bat in the corner than an AR-15. Of course, I'm 6'3" and big, your weapon of choice might vary. ;-)

I've thought about making a (very non PC) game where you are an unarmed teacher or young student, and your goal on lower levels is just to survive an in school shooter. Higher levels would require incapacitating the shooter to advance. ;-)

The effect of such a game would be both to educate wrt strategies to stay alive, and for schools to eliminate bad floorplans.
EdMoore
3.8 / 5 (20) Dec 21, 2012
Just remember: the Obama administration is GUILTY of gun-running machine guns to Mexico in the infamous Gun-Walker "Fast and Furious" operation. They are hypocrites and impeachable to the n-th degree. (A little science lingo for this website.)
FrankHerbert
2.3 / 5 (27) Dec 21, 2012
there was one in Henan province that wounded 23 children the same day that the Conneticut killings happened.

Keyword: Wounded, not killed.

Try committing mass murder with a knife.
packrat
3.7 / 5 (21) Dec 21, 2012
They can make plastic receivers all they want. Until someone figures out how to make barrels, hammers and springs this is no different that what you can already buy on the market without a problem. Anyone that tries to fire a shell out of a plastic barrel deserves the Darwin award they are going to get for it. You can go to any hardware store and buy the important bits to make a firearm. I guess they are going to want to ban small pipe fittings and nails next.
If someone really wants to try and commit mass murder they can go to the local grocery store and get enough stuff to accomplish it without a problem just by buying various cleaning stuff and doing a bit of mixing. You can't stop a crazy person or a criminal from doing what they want. You can only catch them afterward. They have more gun deaths in Chicago every year and they have some of the toughest gun laws around. Obama's hometown!
aaron1960
4.6 / 5 (18) Dec 21, 2012
It has nothing to do with gun control.

It has to do with the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody."
evropej
3.5 / 5 (16) Dec 21, 2012
When I hear people talk about banning guns, it makes a strong statement about their intelligence. 1500 people die of heart disease every day. Did they close McDonald's down? Did they ban tobacco products? Alcohol kills even more, did they ban that? No they did not. All of this is a political move by socialist to gain more control of society by fear mongering. Oklahoma bomber did not have a gun and neither did OJ. I will speculate this, what really scars me is the fact that if the intelligence of this country falls below a specific level, the ability of those individuals being capable of voting and creating laws because of democracy will destroy this country. That's more dangerous than a hydrogen bomb.

PS Since people are so afraid of printing guns, I wonder what they would think of websites explaining how a bomb works lol.
kochevnik
3.7 / 5 (18) Dec 21, 2012
Deer kill more Americans than mass-shootings. Shouldn't deer be eliminated so that Americans can feel safer?

there was one in Henan province that wounded 23 children the same day that the Conneticut killings happened.

Keyword: Wounded, not killed.

Try committing mass murder with a knife.
Juan Corona was a labor contractor who hired migrant workers for produce fields in California. In a murder spree lasting six weeks, he raped and murdered 25 men and buried their machete-hacked bodies in the orchards owned by local farmers.

Another murderer went slashing in LA at Union/6th killing several while re-enacting scenes from the machete movie.

Porn actor Stephen Clancy Hill went crazy with a sword killing five in Chatsworth in 2011
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (16) Dec 21, 2012
When I hear people talk about banning guns, it makes a strong statement about their intelligence. 1500 people die of heart disease every day. Did they close McDonald's down?

I'd gladly support insuring every child's health over providing armed guards or arming teachers at every school.

I'd support a war on influenza over a war on terror.

We can go on all day.

Oklahoma bomber did not have a gun and neither did OJ.

McVeigh was a conservative militia wingnut that thought the government was coming for his guns. OJ killed 2 people in their sleep, not 20 children in a school.

I will speculate this, what really scars me is the fact that if the intelligence of this country falls below a specific level, the ability of those individuals being capable of voting and creating laws because of democracy will destroy this country.

So people who disagree with you are naturally your inferiors? You're quite the ubermensch.
kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (15) Dec 21, 2012
I'd gladly support insuring every child's health over providing armed guards or arming teachers at every school.
Congratulations. That alone would have doubled school shooting deaths in the past two decades. Do you think the 33 dead students at Virgina Tech were happy that nobody was carrying while the shooter freely hunted them down? BTW ginger cures/prevents colds.
GSwift7
3.8 / 5 (16) Dec 21, 2012
This seems like a lot of worry about something that you can already do with metal. There's nothing preventing people from buying precision machine tools and making their own guns. If you can get the plans for making an AR-15, then you can make a real metal one in a machine shop.
FrankHerbert
2.3 / 5 (13) Dec 21, 2012
Hmm, regulating lab equipment makes it much harder to manufacture drugs. Log the sale of all machining equipment and require all machine shops to be inspected randomly. An illegally manufactured gun resulting in 20 years in prison sounds like an adequate deterrent.

Congratulations. That alone would have doubled school shooting deaths in the past two decades.
Huh? Last I checked we haven't had armed guards in all schools.

Anyway, insuring all children would save an order of magnitude more lives than allowing guns in schools.

Some schools may benefit from having guards, but it doesn't follow that providing the same for all schools would be the best use of funds.
FrankHerbert
2.9 / 5 (16) Dec 21, 2012
BTW ginger cures/prevents colds.

There is no cure for the cold and influenza is not a cold. Influenza kills more than 10 times the number of people that died on 9/11 every year, just in the US.

If we hadn't wasted trillions of dollars in the Middle East we could be well on our way to eradicating influenza.

Eradicating influenza would also save more children than providing armed guards for every school.
FrankHerbert
2.4 / 5 (17) Dec 21, 2012
Do Armed Civilians Stop Mass Shooters? Actually, No.
...not one of the 62 mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years has been stopped this way. More broadly, attempts by armed civilians to intervene in shooting rampages are rare—and are successful even more rarely. (Two people who tried it in recent years were gravely wounded or killed.) And law enforcement overwhelmingly hates the idea.

http://www.mother...hootings

More Guns, More Mass Shootings—Coincidence?
America now has 300 million firearms, a barrage of NRA-backed gun laws—and record casualties from mass killers.
http://www.mother...tigation
evropej
2.3 / 5 (9) Dec 21, 2012
I motion to make it illegal if you are ignorant of facts and lacking of primitive intelligence! It doesn't matter if its right or wrong, as long as we get enough votes, it wil 1l pass lol.

PS Matches kill people with arson, cause forest fires - ban them?
kochevnik
2.3 / 5 (18) Dec 21, 2012
...not one of the 62 mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years has been stopped this way.
I've listed three stopped shootings and Claudius listed four more. That's just a bullshiyte cherry-picked propaganda piece without basis in reality. Exactly how do they account for 'stopped shootings?' Every day that goes by without incident is a 'stopped shooting' and testimony to the power of private carrying.
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (11) Dec 21, 2012
In the 1950s, New York City and surrounding boroughs had a situation where gangs of young thugs made homemade "pistols" called zip guns. These zip guns, when they worked, were used by the gang members to kill members of other gangs and threaten the police. The zip guns were easy to manufacture and were not too sophisticated, but in most cases were deadly...as well as easy to break down and dispose of, sometimes in the East River. The gang members were able to make these zip guns out of pipe and a few other parts that were readily available. They did a lot of damage and did not need to be registered, licensed or declared in any way.

NYC still has gangs, as does Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles. And they are still shooting each other, but with guns that are stolen from legal owners. I think the knowledge of zip guns has been forgotten as the former gang members have gotten old. But the technology of the guns still exists, and the cops know it. Gun laws don't mention zip guns, AFAIK.
obama_socks
2.6 / 5 (15) Dec 21, 2012
In order for "armed civilians" with Concealed Carry Permits in a "right to own" state to defend against criminals/psychopaths who are intent on murdering with a gun, the armed civilian must be within the vicinity of where crime is about to be, or has been committed. The armed citizen doesn't go looking for the criminal/psychopath, but if he or she finds one or more, then it behooves such an armed citizen to perform his/her moral obligation to defend and protect whomever is being victimized, threatened or beaten, whether the perpetrator is armed with a knife, gun or a vest full of hand grenades.

In a strict gun-law state such as Connecticut or New York, it is very likely that the armed citizen will be the one who is arrested and jailed for possession of a deadly weapon, even if he/she saved lives with that weapon.

IOW, the perpetrator in those states has the upper hand even if well armed himself, and it is the defender who has to face the full brunt of the anti-gun laws.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (12) Dec 21, 2012
I submitted this in another thread as an answer to FrankHerbert's assertion that Adam Lanza was taught by his mom to shoot guns IN CONNECTICUT.
In the state of Connecticut, a child who is a minor is NOT allowed to shoot a firearm, even for target practice. The person who told the Huffington Post that Adam's mom taught him how to shoot at a young age is a damn LIAR. His mom would have been arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Apparently, FrankHerbert BELIEVES everything he reads in the Huffington Post. THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT has some of the most stringent, strictest and strongest anti-gun laws in the nation. That boy could NOT have been shooting those guns as a minor legally, in the state of Connecticut.

Once again, FrankHerbert proves his meathead status.
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (15) Dec 21, 2012
You want to know what is wrong with American children these days that make them go psycho? HERE is a good example of the Liberal/Socialist attempt to remove the masculinity from young boys and turn them all into SISSIES.

http://phys.org/n...oys.html

American boys are no longer allowed TO BE BOYS and do what normal boys do. Instead, American boys are expected to imitate girls and suppress their natural testosterone levels. IOW, boys are encouraged to be homosexual. Parents are to blame in many cases, and psychologists and educators are to blame in ALL cases. These people all conspire to CONFUSE American children, specifically boys, as to their natural proclivity of being WHO THEY ARE. If the boys don't want to play with dolls but act a little rambunctious, they get drugged with mind-altering medications and get diagnosed with ADD and ADHD, et al...just because boys are basically balking at attempts to gender-bend them.

packrat
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 21, 2012
Hmm, regulating lab equipment makes it much harder to manufacture drugs. Log the sale of all machining equipment and require all machine shops to be inspected randomly. An illegally manufactured gun resulting in 20 years in prison sounds like an adequate deterrent.


It would be a total waste of money since guns are not normally made in a commercial machine shop. There are any number of people like me that have a lathe and milling machine at home. Actually though you don't need those either. A hacksaw and a set of files will do the job with a bit of patience. Ask all the people in Afganistan that build and rebuild guns for sale to anyone that has money and you will see it doesn't take much. You going to register files and hacksaws too?
How about this approach - anyone committing a crime using a gun gets a mandatory 20 year (day by day) sentence of hard labor plus whatever time from other charges and spend their time making little rocks out of big rocks with a sledge hammer.
zz6549
4 / 5 (2) Dec 21, 2012
When the (act) was last renewed in 2003, a gun made by a 3-D printer was like a Star Trek episode, but now we know it's real


I remember that one, it was a good episode.
DavidW
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 22, 2012
You want to know what is wrong with American children these days that make them go psycho?


You asked the question. The answer is children are taught to ignore the truth that the most important thing in life is life. They are almost never reminded they are important and far less are they reminded exactly why: They are alive and life IS important, per the truth.

It's one thing to kill because of hunger and only another animal is avaialble to eat. It's murder to kill animals for taste, as unnecessary killing is exactly what murder is. Yet, we encourge ignoring the truth and teach the children that murder is a happy meal. Push the lie for $, taste, ego, etc. and people no longer have a truthful foundation to fall back on in difficult times.
Feldagast
3 / 5 (6) Dec 22, 2012
Frank Herbert said
McVeigh was a conservative militia wingnut that thought the government was coming for his guns. OJ killed 2 people in their sleep, not 20 children in a school.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...html#jCp

They were not sleeping.
FrankHerbert
2.2 / 5 (17) Dec 22, 2012
They were in bed, close enough.

Funny you aren't disputing the McVeigh tidbit.

And the fact remains that Adam Lanza's mother, a crazy gun-toting survivalist, taught him how to shoot and provided the guns he REQUIRED for his killing spree.

Those children would be alive if guns were illegal.
Lurker2358
2.1 / 5 (8) Dec 22, 2012
Rep. Steven Israel said the prospect of such guns becoming reality is reason enough for the renewal of the Undetectable Firearms Act, which makes illegal the building of guns that can't be detected by X-ray or metallic scanners. That law expires at the end of 2013.


Dummies.

This law is useless since the 4th amendment makes it illegal for the government to look for evidence unless they already have evidence.

Since getting 75% of Americans to vote yes to an amendment is nearly impossible, particularly something in the "Bill of Rights" this probably will never change.

"*Gasp*! An amendment to the Bill of Rights! They're trying to take away our Rights! Vote No!"-idiot commentator.

*Meanwhile* - murderers run rampant everywhere with weapons of every type, which they have a "right" to have under the 2nd and 4th amendment.

Our civilization is insane.

P.S. I warned about the dangers of 3-d printing and nano-manufactured weapons a few years ago. Pretty sure I got negative feedback
Lurker2358
1.9 / 5 (10) Dec 22, 2012
You can't stop a crazy person or a criminal from doing what they want. You can only catch them afterward.

Technically, it is physically possible to stop these crimes, just not under the existing legal framework.

If you abolish the second amendment, and make some adjustments to the 4th amendment, surveillance would make it possible to prevent virtually all of these crimes.
dav_daddy
2 / 5 (8) Dec 22, 2012

Keyword: Wounded, not killed.

Try committing mass murder with a knife.


Why don't you go to Oklahoma City and tell all Mcveigh's victims family's how you can't commit mass murderer without a gun?

Then you can go tell the Goldman and Brown families how keeping Nicole and Ron from owning a firearm kept them safe.
evropej
1.2 / 5 (6) Dec 23, 2012
I am starting to realize that for some people, giving them information is like giving illiterates books. they are used to being spoon fed by higher order and will not accept reason or common sense. Like I have said in a previous post, we will be screwed if the majority of the population becomes like this with democracy at play. Our grandfathers were truly visionaries when they created the constitution knowing that some time in the future the people who benefit from such laws might use the very system to give up the same laws which got them there in the first place. We might pay a high price in the future by not using natural selection for re-procreation.
Osiris1
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 23, 2012
Gotta love the packrat. Gotta love Chicago and Detroit where the rivers are so polluted that a real bad terrorist could simply pull the cork under a ferry boat and kill hundreds...points need for cork control.
Then there was Jack the Ripper...now we have knive control in Britain. Unpublished is the fact that hundreds of knifeless brits die choking on large chunks of uncut steak, and flank steak is their favorite...points need for politician control BTW, Jack was found to be relative of brit royals....points need for royal family genitals control.
Detroit wuz where Mike Tyson...da mad cannibal..was mugged. Not long after Rosa Parks was also mugged. So the 'liberals and the animals are in the same bit of hell where gun control means the crooks control YOU with THEIR guns.
Osiris1
1 / 5 (3) Dec 23, 2012
Jason Dearen is an alarmist crepehanger. Any fool knows that barrels and breaches are the parts that make a weapon functional, and you will never be able to make them on a glorified ink jet printer! ....to any precision!

However, take this to its conclusion. My printer is made in China!, like all the printers of all my friends I know, and they know. Everyone knows that NO one has the 'divisions and armies' to occupy China, but China who now seeks to make the basic law of the sea a dead letter by claiming hundreds of thousands of open ocean in the South China Sea as ..theirs by force of threat. USA impotent to control source of supply so must accept it!

What is really sought for control here is 'knowledge control'. Keep the mind in the dark and we all are sheep. Verrry docile sheep indeed. That is why the pressure by microsoft to stop the real programmers who use linux...by pressuring schools to only teach microsoft 'office', and why chemistry classes no longer have labs.
aaron1960
3.7 / 5 (6) Dec 23, 2012
In Jamaica gun crime was very low before gun control. After gun control laws passed it became the world capital of gun violence and gun related death per capita. The only cause for the gun crime was the fact that it became almost impossible to legally own or keep a gun in the country. Criminals and Crazies do not abide by gun laws in any way.
Anda
2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 23, 2012
Ahahahahah what a joke. You americans have weapons everywhere and are worried about printing them?
zaxxon451
3 / 5 (4) Dec 24, 2012
"LaPierre offers a vision of American society as one unending replay of the worst scenes in Charles Bronson's 1974 vigilante classic, "Death Wish.""

The people most victimized by this nightmare vision end up being the people who believe it -- and who carry the weapons that kill or maim their neighbors, their relatives, their spouses, and random passersby." -- David Frum, conservative Republican, special assistant to George W. Bush.

http://www.cnn.co...t=hp_bn7

There is no such thing as a dichotomy of "good" guys and "bad" guys, as the NRA wants to promote. The motivations of people are far too complex to be addressed by one-dimensional solutions like those of the NRA.
Roland
1.7 / 5 (6) Dec 25, 2012
Forget gun control, that battle is lost. There are no constitutional issues with regulation of ammunition. Let's concentrate on that.
zaxxon451
5 / 5 (2) Dec 25, 2012
Forget gun control, that battle is lost. There are no constitutional issues with regulation of ammunition. Let's concentrate on that.


Bullet control. $5000.00 per bullet
http://www.youtub...Y4qIZ4PA
NOM
4 / 5 (2) Dec 25, 2012
From the article:
Early schematics created by Wilson's group were posted on Thingiverse, a New York-based website that serves as a hub for 3-D printing aficionados. After the school shooting, Thingiverse took down Wilson's links.
The Thingiverse TOS forbids waepons. So they would have taken it down as soon as they were aware of it, not as a reaction to any shooting.
kochevnik
2.5 / 5 (4) Dec 25, 2012
@zaxxon451 Bullet control. $5000.00 per bullet
Are you aware of the bullet-reloading industry? Many reload casings with lead from car batteries or shooting ranges
Jo01
3 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2012
Nothing new. I made fully functional guns with electronic ignition when I was 14 or so.
And that was in 1980.
No 3D printer needed, not even a lathe, just some inventiveness and determination.
It will make a difference ofcourse when lots of people have easy access to 3D printing and the printers can make metal parts.
It's easy access that makes all the difference, so the fewer people with access to guns the better.
It really makes no difference how "qualified" someone is handling a gun, police and army men kill just the same when in relational problems and toddlers kill themselves or others because the gun is lingering around, regardless of the owner type.
So if someone must have a gun, a police officer or someone in the army, he must never take his weapon home, as is the case in Holland. No access means no unneeded killings, because most killings happen in the spur of the moment and would not on second thought. Availability is the killer.

J.
Modernmystic
2 / 5 (4) Dec 26, 2012
Those children would be alive if guns were illegal.


And if wishes were fishes we'd all cast nets. You can insert virtually anything you want in place of guns in that sentence and it would be true.

The fact is that you have a problem with guns qua guns, like they are some kind of animistic supernatural evil group of artifacts conjured up by a malevolent deity to plague mankind. We have guns, we will have guns until we find a replacement or HOPEFULLY people actually start talking about the real PROBLEM and our CULTURE changes to the point where no one feels like they want or need them. You will have as much luck writing a law to reduce the pull of gravity to tackle the obesity problem in this country as you will a ban on guns. Good luck with that, and I hope it makes you feel better pushing that completely unrealistic agenda, meanwhile adults will actually be working on the problem...

If you REALLY want to help start talking about the problem, guns are a symptom.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (15) Dec 26, 2012
You americans have weapons everywhere
You may be able to print hardware but not the chemistry to create ammo. Or bulletproof vests.
Are you aware of the bullet-reloading industry? Many reload casings with lead from car batteries or shooting ranges
One can make classic gunpowder which is tedious but does not work in modern weapons which need smokeless powder as well as primers.
Bullet control.
The problem again is creating a lucrative market for contraband. Organized crime on both sides of the Mex border are eager for gun control so they can begin importing full-auto AKMs now sitting in third world warehouses. Millions of them. And kilotons of ammo.

Organized crime loves gun control. Defenseless victims and lucrative markets. They will bribe politicians and media pundits. They will even stage atrocities to generate support. Because they're criminals you know?

I wonder who the fireman assassin met in prison, and what pacts he may have made in return for protection.
rfw
5 / 5 (2) Dec 26, 2012
The Gun That Does Not Exist Cannot Be Used To Kill People.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (14) Dec 26, 2012
The Gun That Does Not Exist Cannot Be Used To Kill People.
So maybe if you wish/pray real hard they will all disappear. And then It Will Only Be Clubs and Knives which Will be Used to Kill People. And then the Bigger and Nastier People will Own the Smaller and more Defenseless People.

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