Nearby planet-forming disk holds water for thousands of oceans
This is an illustration depicting the sprawling cloud of cold water vapor that astronomers have detected around the burgeoning solar system at the nearby star TW Hydrae. The cold water vapor could could eventually deliver oceans to dry planets that are forming in the system. Credit: Credit: Tim Pyle, Spitzer Science Center, CalTech
(PhysOrg.com) -- For the first time, astronomers have detected around a burgeoning solar system a sprawling cloud of water vapor that's cold enough to form comets, which could eventually deliver oceans to dry planets.
Water is an essential ingredient for life. Scientists have found thousands of Earth-oceans' worth of it within the planet-forming disk surrounding the star TW Hydrae. TW Hydrae is 176 light years away in the constellation Hydra and is the closest solar-system-to-be.
University of Michigan astronomy professor Ted Bergin is a co-author of a paper on the findings published in the Oct. 21 edition of Science.
The researchers used the Heterodyne Instrument for the Far-Infrared (HIFI) on the orbiting Hershel Space Observatory to detect the chemical signature of water.
"This tells us that the key materials that life needs are present in a system before planets are born," said Bergin, a HIFI co-investigator. "We expected this to be the case, but now we know it is because have directly detected it. We can see it."
Scientists had previously found warm water vapor in planet-forming disks close to the central star. But until now, evidence for vast quantities of water extending into the cooler, far reaches of disks where comets and giant planets take shape had not emerged. The more water available in disks for icy comets to form, the greater the chances that large amounts will eventually reach new planets through impacts.
"The detection of water sticking to dust grains throughout the planet-forming disk would be similar to events in our own solar system's evolution, where over millions of years, these dust grains would then coalesce to form comets. These would be a prime delivery mechanism for water on planetary bodies," said principal investigator Michiel Hogerheijde of Leiden University in the Netherlands.
This image shows an artist's impression of the icy protoplanetary disc around the young star TW Hydrae (upper panel) and the spectrum of the disc as obtained using the HIFI spectrometer on ESA's Herschel Space Observatory (lower panel). By analysing the spectrum, astronomers have detected the emission from cold water vapour in the planet-forming disc. The vapour arises when highly energetic radiation from the central star interacts with icy grains in the disc. The detection thus hints at a copious and otherwise undetectable supply of water ice hidden in the disc's deeper and colder layers. The graph in the lower panel shows the spectral signature of water vapour in the disc. Water molecules come in two "spin" forms, called ortho and para, in which the two spins of the hydrogen nuclei have different orientations. By comparing the relative amounts of ortho and para water, astronomers can determine the temperatures under which the water formed. Lower ratios indicate cooler temperatures, though in practice the analysis is much more complicated. The ratio of ortho to para water observed in TW Hydrae's protoplanetary disc is low enough to point to the presence of cold water vapour. Credits: ESA/NASA/JPL-Caltech/M. Hogerheijde (Leiden Observatory)
Other recent findings from HIFI support the theory that comets delivered a significant portion of Earth's oceans. Researchers found that the ice on a comet called Hartley 2 has the same chemical composition as our oceans.HIFI is helping astronomers gain a better understanding of how water comes to terrestrial planets---Earth and beyond. If TW Hydrae and its icy disk are representative of many other young star systems, as researchers think they are, then the process for creating planets around numerous stars with abundant water throughout the universe appears to be in place, NASA officials say.
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Oct 21, 2011
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1. Just how does water vapor and dust coalesce into a comet, all on its own, without some outside interference? If you think it only takes time, please explain the physics involved.
2. Given that all the basic ingredients will be in place, just how does life suddenly get started all on it's own, without any outside interference? How does cell membranes form and stay in place at the right temperatures, all by themselves? How does the ports in the cell-wall get to form with the right signalling pathways - all by itself. Come to think of it, those ports consists of some amino acids - just where do those come from all on their own?
How does the horrendously complex DNA and RNA molecules get started, all on their own without some outside protection or manipulation? Say nothing about the enzymes required to perform the vital functions of life. Oh, and so by the way, those need the DNA and RNA to exist - bummer! How to gen. the right chirality?
Oct 21, 2011
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Just curious.
Oct 21, 2011
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2. Given that all the basic ingredients will be in place, just how does any physical process whatsoever get started all on it's (sic) own, without any outside interference?
All that complex biochemistry you're referring to, was EVOLVED. Modern, sophisticated cells didn't just pop into existence ex nihilo, replete with RNA, DNA, cell walls, ion channels, signalling pathways, enzymes, and all manner of organelles. What you fail to understand (because you fail to perceive basic facts due to your chronic state of denial) is that it took life about 3 Billion years of evolution to progress to a point where the first primitive multi-cellular organisms could emerge. That's 3 Billion years of simply building up single-celled sophistication. How many generations does that amount to?
Oct 21, 2011
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Water consists of two elements, H and O, that are dominant in the outer and inner layers of supernova debris.
That is why the outer and inner parts of the solar system are made of
a.) Outer Layer: H, He, C, N made giant gaseous planets and carbonaceous inclusions of diamonds.
b.) Inner Layer: Fe, O, Ni, Si, S, Mg and Ca made inner planets, FeS inclusions of meteorites, and Sun's iron-rich mantle.
These two layers were not completely separate, but water consists of elements from each.
See: www.omatumr.com/Origin.htm
"Terrestial-type xenon in meteoritic troilite",
Nature 299, 807-810 (1982)
Terrestrial-type xenon in sulfides of the Allende meteorite",
Geochemical Journal 30, 17-30 (1996)
www.terrapub.co.j...0017.PDF
O. Manuel
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http://dl.dropbox...reer.pdf
www.nature.com/na...7a0.html
Oct 21, 2011
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No. Kevin isn't really interested in the answers to these questions, he just wants to stick his desert God in there and be done with it.
Oct 21, 2011
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See: www.omatumr.com/Origin.htm
and www.omatumr.com/D...Data.htm
"Terrestial-type xenon in meteoritic troilite",
Nature 299, 807-810 (1982)
www.nature.com/na...7a0.html
Oct 21, 2011
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Oct 21, 2011
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Water is an essential ingredient for life --> as we know it <--
Apart from that this nicely amends this theory: http://www.physor...ike.html
Oct 21, 2011
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Sure does , eg: how does a faux-intellectual such as yourself manage to slither your way (with your religious views) into a SCIENCE site?
Oct 21, 2011
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Oct 21, 2011
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In other words what they are observing is happening NOW not millions or billions of years ago as is the case with most of such observations.
Oct 21, 2011
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Raises some interesting questions, doesn't it:
1. Just how does the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit coalesce into a single god, all on its own, without some outside interference? If you think it only takes time, please explain the physics involved.
2. Given that all the three basic god ingredients will be in place, just how does life suddenly get started all on its own, without any outside interference?
How does the horrendous god of the bible get started, without some outside protection or manipulation? Answer: it doesn't - it's a manipulation by ignorant insiders under protection by organized religion.
Say nothing about the magic required to create life and the world in its current form 6000 years ago. Oh, and so by the way, those need magic to exist - bummer!
Oct 22, 2011
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If God created everything, what created God in the first place? Did he just spontaneously pop into existence? If he just existed forever, please explain the physics involved.
Why is hypothesizing an infinite God and infinite time a simpler answer than having life start spontaneously and evolve as all scientific evidence points to? Do you think science is the work of the devil trying to convince people that your so called creator is superstitious nonsense?
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Ethelred
Oct 23, 2011
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One-hundred and fifty-seven Trillion, six-hundred and eighty Billion. Assuming a ten minute reproduction speed.
If I tapped Mt. Everest with a pin and chipped off a cubic grain measuring six micrometers in one dimension (naked eye can't see anything smaller than 30m); I would have completely removed Mt. Everest after this many taps.
Oct 23, 2011
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One-hundred and fifty-seven Trillion, six-hundred and eighty Billion. Assuming a ten minute reproduction speed.
If I tapped Mt. Everest with a pin, once an hour, and chipped off a cubic grain measuring six micrometers in one dimension (naked eye can't see anything smaller than 30um); I would have completely removed Mt. Everest after this many years.
Please delete my previous post.
Oct 23, 2011
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On the amino acids, 'left-handed' chirality seems to be the default in nature. ('Right-hand' chirality on the other hand, is founded in artificiality. Mankind synthesizes all kinds of molecules with 'right-handed' chirality).
Amino acids and their building blocks have been detected in space. This is very old news which has been substantiated by additional and recent observations. Comets have been detected as having them as well so the mechanism for getting the amino acids to earth (or, whatever other planet lucky enough to get pelted with them) along with water finds expression in comets as well.
Oct 23, 2011
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I don't know if I'm phrasing this correctly.
T0 ethelred: Thanks for the lesson in chemical reaction.
Oct 23, 2011
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Outer Layer contained "strange" xenon, Xe-2
Inner Layer contained "normal" xenon, Xe-1
www.omatumr.com/D...Data.htm
www.omatumr.com/D...Data.htm
This video shows the chemical layers with Xe-1 and Xe-2 labeled
www.youtube.com/w...QSSHIe6k
O. Manuel
Oct 24, 2011
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How early in the Earth's history AND where the heck is it going to boil away too? If it boiled, which means vaporized, it would still have to reach escape velocity to leave the Earth.
Don't know where you are trying to go on this.
I entered college as a chem major. Turned out I don't really like chemistry. Too many, what I call, Millard Filmore's Birthday Rules. I only took the first year of it.
Ethelred
Oct 24, 2011
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No. But hydrogen and Helium don't hang around in inner solar systems after the new star lights up.
Utter nonsense. Those made up most of the inner planets material because they can form solids in the inner solar system unlike hydrogen and helium. The oxygen is only there because it can bond with the other elements or it two would only have been in the outer system.>>
Oct 24, 2011
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Its about time you started dealing with my questions.
How do the supernova debris remain in the Solar System? No observed supernova fits your theory.
What separates Neutron Repulsion from the Pauli Exclusion Principle? Keeping in mind that there is no evidence for a long range force which WOULD separate it from the PEP, but such evidence does not exist.>>
Oct 24, 2011
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Please explain how these gravity formed bodies could form if Neutron Repulsion is what you claim. Magical passes of hands need not apply as this is physorg and not the Harry Houdini site.
Ethelred
Oct 25, 2011
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This was first observed as the depletion of the lightweight noble gases, He and Ne, from heavier noble gases (Ar, Kr, Xe) in the interior of a star.
The experimental data are shown in these manuscripts:
"Strange xenon, extinct superheavy elements and the solar neutrino puzzle", Science 195, 208-209 (1977)
www.omatumr.com/a...enon.pdf
"Noble gas anomalies and synthesis of the chemical elements", Meteoritics 15, 117-138 (1980)
www.omatumr.com/a...lies.pdf
"Composition of the solar interior," ESA SP-517 SOHO/GONG, 345-348 (2003)
http://arxiv.org/...410717v1
"Origin and operation of the Sun", AIP Proceedings 822, 206-225 (2006)
http://xxx.lanl.g.../0510001
Oct 25, 2011
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So how does neutron repulsion cause the expansion of the universe if its not strong enough to overcome the charge between simple light elements?
Oct 27, 2011
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