Wind of change: Aussie 'farting camels' cull under attack
The world's association of camel scientists has fought back angrily over Australian plans to kill wild dromedaries on the grounds that their flatulence adds to global warming. The idea is "false and stupid... a scientific aberration", the International Society of Camelid Research and Development (ISOCARD) charged, saying camels were being made culprits for a man-made problem.
The world's association of camel scientists fought back angrily on Monday over Australian plans to kill wild dromedaries on the grounds that their flatulence adds to global warming.
The idea is "false and stupid... a scientific aberration", the International Society of Camelid Research and Development (ISOCARD) charged, saying camels were being made culprits for a man-made problem.
"We believe that the good-hearted people and innovating nation of Australia can come up with better and smarter solutions than eradicating camels in inhumane ways," it said.
The kill-a-camel suggestion is floated in a paper distributed by Australia's Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, as part of consultations for reducing the country's carbon footprint.
The scheme is the brainchild of an Adelaide-based commercial company, Northwest Carbon, a land and animal management consultancy, which proposes whacking feral camels in exchange for carbon credits.
Camels were introduced to the Outback in the 19th century to help early settlers cope with hot, arid conditions.
Now they number around 1.2 million and, say some, are a pest because of the damage they inflict to vegetation and their intestinal gases.
Each camel, according to the champions of a cull, emits 45 kilos (99 pounds) of methane, the equivalent of one tonne a year in carbon dioxide (CO2), the main warming gas.
Northwest Carbon says it would shoot the camels from helicopters or corral them before sending them to an abattoir for eating by humans or pets.
But ISOCARD, an association of more than 300 researchers headquartered at al Ain University in the United Arab Emirates (UAE), said the calculations were absurd.
"The estimation of methane emission by camels is based on cattle data extrapolation," it said in a press release.
"The metabolic efficiency of camel is higher than that of cattle, (...) camels are able to produce 20-percent more milk by eating 20-percent less food, they have different digestive system and are more efficient in the utilization of poor quality roughages," it noted.
In addition, the bacterial flora of camel intestines means their digestion is closer to that of monogastric animals, such as pigs, rather than as cattle and sheep, said ISOCARD.
"Therefore, the estimation of camel methane emission is quite debatable, as well as the estimated feral population."
The 28 million camels in the world represent less than one percent of all vegetation-eating biomass, and their emissions are just a tiny fraction of those made by cattle, it argued.
"The feral dromedary camels should be seen as an incomparable resource in arid environments," the group said. "They can and should be exploited for food (meat and milk), skin and hides, tourism etcetera."
Australia is heavily reliant on coal-fired power and mining exports and has one of the highest per-capita carbon levels in the world.
The government plans to tax the nation's 1,000 biggest polluters for carbon emissions from mid-2012, with a fixed price giving way to a cap-and-trade scheme within five years.
To offset their emissions, polluters could buy carbon credits -- CO2 or other greenhouse gases that are avoided through other schemes.
(c) 2011 AFP
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I request a moratorium on additional dire climate forecasts by those receiving government research funds.
The key issue is just this, and nothing else:
Do we face "An Inconvenient Truth" or
"A Convenient Untruth" for politicians?
That is the question.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
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On this 235th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, let's celebrate the way to avoid such madness:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
www.archives.gov/...ipt.html
Oliver K. Manuel
Jul 04, 2011
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Promoting and encouraging Editorial threats of tattooing or gassing Skeptics, then pretending it was a joke, just like the 10.10 video showing ultra-Violence by blowing up children and skeptic's who are indifferent to the greens demands, it was obviously a project thought up by the criminally insane.
The latest one is killing Camels because they fart CO2 Gas, it's just the next nail in the Eco fascist green dreams.
Madness is an inability to rationalize good from bad this is the greens biggest failure.
Keep it up you are helping to drive rational people away for you cause!
Jul 04, 2011
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Just don't touch my beef!
Jul 04, 2011
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Hey Ollie? No-where in there is mentioned camels....
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Agreed. There is a difference between them and us: We are sentient. From and intelligence level, camels are more closely related to corn stalks than to us.
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How many feral kangaroos are there in Australia?
How has the population grown in recent years?
What is considered, by experts, to be a population number that is sufficient to allow their survival?
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Good to see some humour here for a change.
and FYI - Kangaroos dont generally fart and even the tiny outgassing that can occur contains little or no methane. Good thing too cause theres over 50 million of them.
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In the US, we have wild horses that are periodically culled because the range won't support them all. By culled, I don't mean hunted. They are captured and either put up for adoption or euthanized. I seriously doubt that Aussies will be willing to take in all those camels.
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An an Australian I find your attitude condescending.
You appear to believe that the United States of America has done such a good job of protecting the rights and liberties of ALL US Citizens, performed so well at conservation and land management that its citizens have the right to judge other nations.
Wrong!
Don't misunderstand me I love Americans, married one in fact but PLEASE stop this sermonising to the rest of the world.
We'll back you in wars and shed blood beside you when it's called for, trade with you and back you in the UN but you're not our parents or our older sibling.
Keep talk about the USA Declaration of Independence to USA domestic issues please as it's not relevant in other countries.
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How many political parties does Australia have?
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The real problem is habitat devastation wreaked by a non-indigenous species, not the farting (which is more of a humorous adjunct, rather rather the focus).
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Your suggestion that habit devastation is a real problem with Camels that survive in desert conditions is a bit far fetched and is argument off subject. Aside from a bit of straggly bush and a few dirty water holes exactly what habitat are these horrid invading camels destroying?
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Nope.
I know that. My response was relevant to the previous article (as I referred to in my post) which played up the GHG angle amongst the real problem, which this article refutes. But by refuting just the GHG angle (which was tantamount to a joke in the original article) and by leaving out the real reason for the proposed cull, this follow-up piece is nothing more than a beat up.
How about the fact that camels eat 80% or more of the available plant species in fragile ecosystems? They have a noticeable impact on salt lake ecosystems, waterholes and damage dune crests which leads to erosion. They also have an impact on indigenous populations, see Docker River, for example.
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It's not only suspect, it's ridiculous. And that's my point. This article practically guarantees such as response, while the previous one presented the broader issues and not just the fluff.
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I wonder just how much CO2 the helicopters will emit whilst doing this?
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I know of another species in Australia that causes the same problem only orders of magnitude worse. Time to 'cul' that species.
J.
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Only 1.2 million to dispose of, thats nothing compared to industrial emission needs.
On the other hand should we "manage" the culling and let the number recover before we cull again, then it is of no help to carbon reduction. It becomes a game to fool the system. Create a problem, keep it going and rip the benefit from temporary measures.
So what's next when the number runs dry?
Since Kangaroos have little fart, how about cattle? Now we can sell the cattle twice, one for meat and the other for carbon credit. Magic show......
Jul 06, 2011
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When the heck will the stupid right-wing-nuts stop futzing about and reduce their excessive use of fossil fuels, which is the problem, or at least about 99.5% of it?
Disclaimer: I'm not 100% convinced that experimentally increasing earth atmosphere's loading of GHG's MUST cause serious problems, especially for many developing countries already working with marginal resources of rainfall, croplands and other inputs. HOWEVER, I'm certain that there is a fairly high probability of that, and consider this present experiment supreme stupidity, which could only be justified by certainties ranging near 100% that it WON'T, which scientists have CLEARLY ruled out.
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If the camels need to be culled for legitimate ecological reasons, then that should be a separate decision.
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You stated my feelings exactly. That would solve a considerable number of problems.
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Yes let's keep the camels but eradicate the rabbits because they're smaller and their farts are higher-pitched.
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http://www.nytime...ish.html
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