China stealth-jet firm eyes US contracts: report

Feb 04, 2011

The maker of China's new stealth fighter plans to team up with a small California firm for what would seem like mission impossible: bidding for US defence contracts, a report said Friday.

China Corp, or AVIC, is in talks with US Aerospace Inc about joining forces to seek contracts for projects that could include supplying helicopters used by the US president, the Wall Street Journal said.

The report quoted unidentified sources close to the discussions.

The idea appears far-fetched. Previous Chinese moves to enter strategic US sectors have been thwarted after arousing intense political opposition.

That is sure to occur if any Chinese involvement in the defence industry is suggested, especially given growing US concern about China's expanding armed forces.

A prototype of China's first stealth fighter -- the AVIC-produced J-20 -- made its maiden flight last month, shocking observers and underlining the rapid development of China's military capability.

The plane, unveiled during a visit to by US Defense Secretary Robert Gates, is seen as a future rival to the US Air Force's F-22 Raptor, currently the world's only fully operational next-generation jet.

AVIC is discussing with US Aerospace the possibility of offering the AC-313 -- China's largest domestically produced helicopter -- for the next generation of aging Marine One helicopters, which are used to transport the president, the report quoted sources as saying.

They also may put forward AVIC's new L-15 training jet to replace the US Air Force's fleet of Northrop T-38s, it said.

The Pentagon is highly concerned about the possibility of China obtaining US military secrets.

Reports have suggested the Chinese stealth jet may have been made with technology from a US plane shot down in 1999 by Serbian forces during the Kosovo war, but a Chinese defence official has rejected that.

AVIC offices were closed Friday for the Lunar New Year holiday.

The Wall Street Journal said US Aerospace is best known for making an unsuccessful bid last year to enter cargo planes made by Antonov, a state-run Ukrainian company, in a competition to supply the US Air Force with a new aerial tanker.

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mosahlah
2 / 5 (4) Feb 04, 2011
I got this one. It goes like this. Chinese defense contractor offers joint bid with US contractor for stealth aircraft. Someone with a Chinese last name from California and reps from the interested defense firms are discovered to have made large contributions to Obama's reelection campaign. Then during a short lived flurry of controversy it is discovered that the Chinese stealth aircraft were initially technologically inert, but soon enough begin to appear with effective stealth using stolen American tech. Sound like fiction or history?
StarDust21
1 / 5 (2) Feb 04, 2011
lol wth? They rly think this is gonna happen? That would be funny.
gwrede
4.1 / 5 (10) Feb 04, 2011
I think the days of American supremacy (both military and economic) will be over within a generation or two.

Think about it, with hordes of people belonging to groups such as white trash, ethnic minorities, the obese, how many people are left to really contribute to the advancement of high tecnology and top industry? It doesn't take long before at least as many percent of the Chinese are working hard at it, and China being a few times bigger than the US, you do the math!

Where the British and French can barely afford to have one aircraft carrier in operation, the US has many, and they're much bigger. But if China wanted, they can afford to match and surpass the US already. Within a generation, they could easily have three times what the US has, and that wouldn't even make a big dent in their national budget. Not to mention, with their resources, that technology will be more advanced and modern.

This will be simply unfathomable for many Americans.
Arkaleus
3.2 / 5 (5) Feb 04, 2011
One of the greatest dangers of America's schizophrenic China policy: We seek to increase our dependency on Chinese manufacture to satisfy fifth-avenue's need for "consumer" spending, but the gains China receives from this scandalous trade go towards building a military designed to destroy ours.

Our leadership is plainly insane, and either plans to lead us into war, or hates our people so much that they have become irrational and genocidal.

Either way, I hope what Egypt has is catching.
Arkaleus
1 / 5 (1) Feb 04, 2011
Response to GWREDE:

The history book of America is far from over, and the pressures that cause great things to happen in societies still exist.

Our republic has fallen to factions of military and commerce, very similar to what happened to the Soviet Union. Fortunately, such rule is difficult and expensive to maintain, and without continual 1984-style warfare it will eventually fall too.

Because of their ineptitude and greed, their financial support system has already collapsed. Because of their violence and reliance upon psychotic and ineffective foreign policy, we will lose our positions overseas and arrive at a post-global empire stage, much like the UK.

However, the 21st century will see us resuming the South American adventure, pickup up where we left off because of the great wars of the 20th century. The likely trigger will be the inevitable loss of the "Chinese advantage" and the very real social dangers of a continued unregulated influx of immigrants.
Starbound
5 / 5 (3) Feb 04, 2011
One of the greatest dangers of America's schizophrenic China policy: We seek to increase our dependency on Chinese manufacture to satisfy fifth-avenue's need for "consumer" spending, but the gains China receives from this scandalous trade go towards building a military designed to destroy ours.

Our leadership is plainly insane, and either plans to lead us into war, or hates our people so much that they have become irrational and genocidal.

Either way, I hope what Egypt has is catching.


Kind of reminds me of the Opium Wars, though I think it is myopia and greed that direct our country's leaders.
Arkaleus
2.4 / 5 (5) Feb 04, 2011
An interesting parallel is the reliance of the waning British empire on narcotics to fund its ruling classes, and the behavior of America during the Iran Contra period. It seems Bush Sr. introduced America to the same necrotic addiction of human disease and destruction to fund his secret wars and complete his plans for a secret empire and a hidden factional government.

Now we see the mature phase of the Petroleum and Narcotic dependency of the American empire, with the invasions of Afghanistan (The capital of opiates) and Iraq (The only region with enough oil AND political justification to invade).

It seems the psychotic rulers are literally more addled on dope and oil than the populations they need to suppress in order to rule.

I look forward to the end of the reign of these creatures from the 1960's, and hope to avoid the pieces of their retarded empire as it quantitatively eases itself down about their heads.
baudrunner
not rated yet Feb 04, 2011
Yes, Arkaleus. But what of we of the 2010's? Some things are still so 70's, I doubt that will change. How, then, do we unretard the empire? Change it so that it stays the same?
Nartoon
5 / 5 (1) Feb 05, 2011
Don't enter into any joint ventures with the Chinese, they'll steal your product and then undercut you and drive you out of business.
luggite
not rated yet Feb 05, 2011
@Arkaleus, @Nartoon

I know it's difficult to not be paranoid, but let's be reasonable here:

US GDP: ~$11 Trillion
China GDP: ~$6 Trillion

The biggest difference between American and Chinese business practices is intellectual property. The US has a legal structure that rewards invention and creation via patents and copyright. China doesn't have or respect any such things. The current US president recognizes this difference and the fact that China isn't "playing fair".

It is my opinion that the greatest strength of the US economy is the ability to invent. So long as China seeks to imitate and replace, the US has little to worry about.
TabulaMentis
5 / 5 (1) Feb 05, 2011
It is my opinion that the greatest strength of the US economy is the ability to invent. So long as China seeks to imitate and replace, the US has little to worry about.
With the national debt around $14 trillion the USA is soon going to have a difficult time doing anything because in ten years the US debt will triple to about $35 trillion.

See the following article titled: China catching EU on innovation, amid industrial espionage scandals.

(omit)euobserver.com/19/31733

plasticpower
4 / 5 (2) Feb 05, 2011
It's not that far fetched as people think. 30 years ago nobody was going to expect the Russians and Americans cooperating in Afganistan, and Russian helicopters and heavy cargo planes shuffling US military tech and people around. The Chinese are smart. They historically don't start wars and military conflicts. What they're doing is trying to get their hands in every niche of the world economy so they can call the shots. They've already more or less succeeded at it..
TabulaMentis
not rated yet Feb 06, 2011
The Chinese are smart. They historically don't start wars and military conflicts.
If that is true, then explain why the Chinese are in Tibet?
frajo
5 / 5 (1) Feb 06, 2011
The Chinese are smart. They historically don't start wars and military conflicts.
If that is true, then explain why the Chinese are in Tibet?
Because Tibet is as Chinese as Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and Texas are US American, Euskadi is Spanish, Gibraltar, Northern Ireland, and the Falklands are British, les Départements d’outre-mer are French, the West Bank and Jerusalem are illegally occupied by Israel, Abkhazia and South Ossetia are claimed by Georgia ...
The Tibet region is interwoven with Chinese history since vastly more than three centuries ago when the Native Americans were being killed by European invaders.
maxcypher
not rated yet Feb 06, 2011
That is an interesting parallel: How the Chinese treated/treat Tibet and how Americans treated/treat Native Americans. We're not all that different, are we? Another thought that I've had about the Chinese is the speculation that many of the ruling classes around the world must admire how the Chinese gov't is able to manage such a huge population so efficiently.
Arkaleus
1 / 5 (1) Feb 08, 2011
Luggite:

Comparing GDP figures is almost meaningless without the context of how the GDP is produced. Wealth generation is a simple formula - Have more producers than consumers. Because China has become a producer economy and ours has been bushwacked into a consumer economy, the flow of wealth will go to the producer.

Because our "leaders" are obsessed with diverting our domestic talents into the military complex, our private industries stagnate and fail and our natural talents are never allowed to contribute to the rest of us. Instead of new factories, we have nonsense fluff like Google, Facebook and similar non-productive hype and spiffy new combat drones. The problem is America is that we aren't generating real wealth because we aren't creating and building things to generate it. We are fooling ourselves with lies and printing money to keep the Emerald City green.
Mesafina
not rated yet Feb 12, 2011
@arkaleus While I agree that the US is losing it's edge in many respects in engineering and manufacturing, I disagree with your assertion that Google is nonsense fluff. Google provides a real and valuable commercial service (access to information). Facebooks value is far more questionable, but Google (and all companies which provide web indexing) are fast becoming an integral part of the business process.

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