Milky Way stars move in mysterious ways
The Sun (in yellow) is located 25,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way. The stars whose velocities were measured by RAVE are shown in red. The arrows show the outward motion observed by the researchers at the Strasbourg Observatory and their colleagues. Credit: Gal Matijevic, Ljubljana University
Rather than moving in circles around the center of the Milky Way, all the stars in our Galaxy are travelling along different paths, moving away from the Galactic center. This has just been evidenced by Arnaud Siebert and Benoit Famaey, astronomers at the Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory, and by their colleagues in other countries. This strange behavior may be due to perturbation caused by the central bar and spiral arms of our Galaxy, forcing stars to leave their normal circular course and take an outward path.
Most galaxies, including our own Milky Way, are spiral-shaped and stars are distributed in a thin disk rotating around the galactic center, with areas divided into spiral arms or elliptical regions such as the central bar. Due to gravity, the spiral arms move through the disk in the form of density waves. For over twenty years, scientists believed that the potential impact of these density waves on stellar velocities in the Milky Way was insignificant in comparison with the circular motion of the stars in the galactic disk. This belief has now been blatantly proved wrong by an international team including several researchers from the Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory: near the Earth, stars move towards the exterior of the Galaxy at an average speed of around 10 kilometers per second, which is considerably faster than previously thought.
To reach this conclusion, the team systematically analyzed the velocities of over two hundred thousand stars located within a radius of a little over six thousand light years around the Sun. Using data from the major star survey RAVE (RAdial Velocity Experiment) collected since 2003 by the Australian Astronomical Observatory's Schmidt telescope, they were able to measure for the first time the radial velocities of hundreds of thousands of stars and determine whether they were moving towards or away from us.
The researchers were thus able to ascertain that the average speed of stars towards the exterior of the Galaxy increases with their distance from the Sun in the direction of the Galactic center, reaching 10 kilometers per second at a distance of 6,000 light years from us (in other words, 19,000 light years from the Galactic center). This result was completely unexpected and all the more surprising as it appeared to mainly affect old stars, several billion years old. Until now, it was thought that the spiral arms mostly affected the dynamics of young stars (only a few tens-of-million-years old). However, theoretical study of the combined effect of the spiral arms and the central bar, both within and outside the plane of the Galaxy, could explain the strange distortions of stellar motion observed by the astronomers in the RAVE team. Watch this space!
More information: Detection of a radial velocity gradient in the extended local disc with RAVE, Arnaud Siebert, et al., to be published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomy Society.
The RAVE experiment: http://rave-survey.org/
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Are the other stars moving away, or is the solar system being "recalled" to the galactic centre?
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How the hell is anyone clinging to anything here? If that were the case, these results would have been swept under the rug. You are not succesfully making any sort of argument against science when you say that it changes its beliefs to match observations. That's the point, really.
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LaViolette predicted this outcome in 2003.
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I would say that you criticism is correct to some degree. The copernican principle is a really, really big assumption. But, science adequately addresses this by specifically looking for disproof of the accepted norms. Any scientist would be thrilled to show, for example, laws of thermodynamics do not apply on certain scales. We're talking nobel prize minimum there.
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Neutron repulsion. The energy source that powers the Sun and cosmos. The energy source that causes heavy nuclei to fission, stars to explode, and galactic centers to fragment.
www.youtube.com/w...yLYSiPO0
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There is no gravity at all.
I mean drawing force.
nucleus of atoms expanding all a time. Nucleus of atoms absorbs more and more en energy all a time and same time expanding nucleus of atoms emit energywaves who have a nature of electrons and particle like photons, if outside coming some energy who interactive with that energy what nucleus of atoms emit.
galaxys born to inside to outside. All stars energy are from galaxy centre huge energyconcentrations who expanding and emit energywaves who have nature of atoms and nature of stars.
Onesimpleprinciple
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As opposed to models that are unconstrained by physical laws and observational knowledge?
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Whatever, the data looks good enough to renew their grant and look a little further...
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as above, so below
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In SQK, photons do loose energy in the inter-galactic void through an underlying etheric self-sustaining reaction process, that forms the basis of all matter. Depends on local mass density.
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You mean aether theory?
Caught.
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Yeah, but this is LaViolettes personal 'Sub Quantum Kinetics' *theory* that can state, with a straight face "Special and general relativity are disproven by the Sagnac, Silvertooth, and Ampere force law experiments." See other comparisons here: http://www.etheri...K-c.html
More of this goofiness here: http://www.physor...firstCmt
It appears to be nothing more than science by pictures (all his pictures confirm his theories and predictions, of course). Try googling "Paul LaViolette crackpot" for a better look at this guy.