'Junk DNA' uncovers the nature of our ancient ancestors

October 20, 2010

'Junk DNA' uncovers the nature of our ancient ancestors

The sea lamprey

The key to solving one of the great puzzles in evolutionary biology, the origin of vertebrates -- animals with an internal skeleton made of bone -- has been revealed in new research from Dartmouth College and the University of Bristol.

Vertebrates are the most anatomically and genetically complex of all organisms, but explaining how they achieved this complexity has vexed scientists. The study, published today [20 October] in claims to have solved this scientific riddle by analysing the genomics of primitive living fishes such as sharks and , and their spineless relatives such as sea squirts. 

Alysha Heimberg of Dartmouth College and colleagues studied the family relationships of primitive vertebrates. The team used microRNAs, a class of tiny molecules only recently discovered residing within what has usually been considered 'junk DNA', to show that lampreys and slime eels are distant relatives of jawed vertebrates.

Alysha said: “We learn from our results that lamprey and hagfish are equally related to jawed vertebrates and that hagfish are not representative of a more primitive vertebrate, which suggests that the ancestral vertebrate was more complex than anyone had previously thought.

“Vertebrates have been evolving for hundreds of millions of years but still express the same microRNA genes in the same organs as when they both first appeared.”

The team went on to test the idea that it was these same ‘junk DNA’ genes, microRNAs, which were responsible for the evolution origin of vertebrate anatomical features. They found that the same suite of microRNAs were expressed in the same organs and tissues, in lampreys and mice.

Co-author, Professor Philip Donoghue of the University of Bristol’s School of Earth Sciences, said: “The origin of and the origin of these genes is no coincidence.”

Professor Kevin Peterson of Dartmouth College said: “This study not only points the way to understanding the evolutionary origin of our own lineage, but it also helps us to understand how our own was assembled in deep time.”

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kevinrtrs
Oct 21, 2010

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Unfortunately the logic is flawed because it is heavily biased.

It is also equally probable that the said Micro RNAs have the exact same function in so-called primitives as it does in man. It is equally valid that it could be a common design feature and not a hereditary trait. The researcher does not explore this option because of his/her predisposition towards evolutionary thinking.

There is just no way of knowing how the skeleton evolved since there's no documentation that shows it evolved. The mystery might be solved for evolutionists because it presents them with a plausible scenario as to how it could have happened and because of that it will become an evolutionary truth - regardless of what actually might be the case [ e.g. a common design feature ].
kevinrtrs
Oct 21, 2010

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Upon delving deeper into the so-called junk DNA, more and more complex functionality and processing will be discovered which will simply thrash this theory. I doubt the evolutionists will retract this bit.
JRDarby
Oct 21, 2010

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What would it take to convince you, along with all the other creationists, that evolution qua natural/sexual selection occurs on what you call both the micro- and macro- (stupid distinction, by the way) scales? It's extremely obvious that you just *can't* accept evolution for what it is--or at least what other, more educated people accept it as.

If you're unwilling to be convinced why bother posting here? We want profitable, open discussion--not dogmatism like you're probably used to every Sunday morning.
Rohitasch
Oct 21, 2010

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Errr.., Documentation usually comes much later in the story of life as documenters would have to evolve to the point where they can document. And the process of documentation itself evolves as it takes all available paths as can be perceived by different branches of documenters who themselves branch off by branching the process of documentation, creating a positive feedback within their branches thus perpetuating the evolution of their branch.
DavidMcC
Oct 23, 2010

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If you forget bones for a minute, and look at eyes, you find that hagfish have the primitive form (a non-imaging, circadian "eye". This "eye" is similar to the larval lamprey's non-imaging eye, but the lamprey eye goes through a metamorphosis and becomes a fully functioning vertebrate eye. This may be related to the unusually long and complex larval development.
Thraxzer
Nov 12, 2010

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kevinrtrs,
Perhaps lampreys and hagfish were 'designed' to appear as relatives to vertebrates. The same way you were designed to seem related to your parents.
Besides, what is the problem with designed things being evolutionary? The computer used here is clearly both designed and evolutionary. There are only slight differences between this computer and a related 1 year older computer. Also between that computer and one 2 years old, and so on to the first digital computer, which had an eerily similar design to the non-digital computers before it. Engineers have just been designing components based on already working devices.
DavidMcC
Nov 13, 2010

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Further thoughts on the main thesis:
Alysha should ask herself whether there is such a thing as a "pseudo-micro-RNA", ie, is it possible that the micro-RNAs being studied are actually junk after all? If this is the case, then they are just little DNA clocks, and no conclusions can be drawn from their study concerning the sophistication or otherwise of the common ancestors of hagfish and lampreys.

Even if it is still possible to claim a sophisticated ancestor, without knowing the details of any effects of these micro-RNAs, the thesis remains vague. For example, is she arguing that hagfish circadian "eyes" are degenerate from imaging eyes, or not?
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