India heatwave temperatures pass 50 Celsius

An Indian boy tries to cool off by dousing himself with water in New Delhi on May 29, 2019 during a heatwave
An Indian boy tries to cool off by dousing himself with water in New Delhi on May 29, 2019 during a heatwave

Temperatures passed 50 degrees Celsius (122 Fahrenheit) in northern India as an unrelenting heatwave triggered warnings of water shortages and heatstroke.

The thermometer hit 50.6 degrees Celsius (123 Fahrenheit) in the Rajasthan desert city of Churu on Saturday, the weather department said.

All of Rajasthan suffered in severe heat with several cities hitting above 47 Celsius.

In May 2016, Phalodi in Rajasthan recorded India's highest-ever of 51 Celsius (123.8 Fahrenheit).

The Indian Meteorological Department said severe heat could stay for up to a week across Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh states.

Several deaths from heatstroke have already been recorded.

A red alert severe heat warning has been issued in the capital New Delhi as temperatures passed 46 Celsius, and residents were advised not to go out during the hottest hours of the day.

Even in the hill state of Himachal Pradesh, where many wealthy Indians go to escape the summer heat, temperatures reached 44.9 Celsius in Una.

Several major cities, led by Chennai, have reported fears of water shortages as lakes and rivers start to dry up.

In the western state of Maharashtra, farmers struggled to find water for thirsty animals and crops.

"We have to source water tankers from nearby villages as water reserves, lakes and rivers have dried up," said Rajesh Chandrakant, a resident of Beed, one of the worst-hit districts.

"Farmers only get water every three days for their livestock."

Raghunath Tonde, a farmer with a family of seven, said the area has suffered worsening shortages for five years.

"There is no drinking water available for days on end and we get one tanker every three days for the entire village," Tonde told AFP.

"We are scared for our lives and livelihood," he added.

The Hindustan Times newspaper said many Beed residents had stopped washing and cleaning clothes due to the shortage.

More than 40 percent of India faces drought this year, experts from Gandhinagar city's Indian Institute of Technology, warned last month.

The annual monsoon—which normally brings much needed rain to South Asia—is running a week behind schedule and is only expected to hit India's southern tip on June 6, the weather department said.

And private forecaster Skymet has said there will be less rain than average this year.

The Indian peninsula has seen a drastic change in rainfall patterns over the past decade, marked by frequent droughts, floods and sudden storms.


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Jun 02, 2019
And then we actually still have skewed eyed Goons as politicians arguing global warming is not real. Born with an inability to understand reality.

Jun 02, 2019
Butbutbutttheresnoglobulwaruming /s


Jun 02, 2019
Good to see that the comments so far are at least not the old "but you can't conclude 'global warming' from isolated weather events" crap. The big point for me is this. Even if you deny the science - and don't believe the earth is warming - the reality is there are nearly 8 billion of us making this planet our home - and there is suffering. Our first priority should be a grand plan - to bring a basic quality of life (water, food, shelter, health care etc.) to all. We clearly have the resources - but are too busy squandering them on tribalism. Gretta Thunberg is right - our generation has failed - maybe the kids can do it better.

Jun 02, 2019
It's been hot in southern India since the end of the last glaciation.

Call me when we hit Holocene Climate Optimum.

Jun 02, 2019
It's been hot in southern India since the end of the last glaciation.

Call me when we hit Holocene Climate Optimum.
Cranks can't count.

Jun 02, 2019
Gr
Global warming isn't going to stop in the near future. growing food for the masses is using up all the ground water and from what I've read the Midwest will be out of water in a few years. I would like to see articles on sensible solutions not green new deals that for obvious reasons won't work. Even here in the US our footprint went down only because we shifted manufacturing to other countries. If there is something we can really do I'm willing to listen.
........midwest out of water?

Don't you read the weather headlines? All around where I live, it has rained/snowed almost everyday since the middle of last September, the ground water table has swollen to levels seldom seen but a few times in a lifetime. I'd suggest you try some different up to date reading material because the midwest aquifer is anything but almost empty of water.

Jun 02, 2019
@Benni didn't read the Wikipedia article before bloviating: https://en.wikipe..._Aquifer

Present-day recharge of the aquifer with fresh water occurs at an exceedingly slow rate, suggesting that much of the water in its pore spaces is paleowater, dating back to the most recent ice age and probably earlier.


You're lying again, @Benni.

Why do you even bother? Think no one will find out?

Jun 02, 2019
And now phys.org is making weather reports. Can they get any more irrelevant?

Jun 02, 2019
yeah benni. your canty keeps getting more & more irrelevant!
i'll betcha the weather is just fine there under your momma's bed where you are cowering.

As for the rest pf the world?

I understand that the term "Global Warming" is an easy soundbite.
& simple for the Public to visualize as measurable.
Well, that is for all but the most greedy stupid!

However, it is my opinion that using the term "Global Warming as a key meme is an error in strategic planning to save the Earth's biome.

What is actually happening is Global Climate Change, accelerated by Human abuses of the environment.

The denierbots have pirated the term GW as clickbait propaganda to prevent public consensus,
Disrupting publications of accumulating scientific evidence.
Agitating for, when not outright instigating vicious tribal conflicts, Globally.

the deniers will do anything for a buck,
guns, drugs, slaves.
these are the historical heritage of the altright fairytails.

Jun 02, 2019
It is happening. Here is another attribution (that need more work):

"The record-breaking 2018 summer heatwave in Japan in which more than 1,000 people died "could not have happened without human-induced global warming", a study finds."

"The study is "very interesting", but requires "further confirmation" before its conclusions can be fully accepted, a leading attribution scientist tells Carbon Brief."

"The chart shows that, in today's world, such a heatwave has around a one-in-five (19.9%) chance of happening. This rises to around a one-in-four chance (24.6%) when the chances of a two-tiered high-pressure weather system are also factored in.

The chances of such a heatwave happening a world without global warming are so small as to be almost negligible, the chart shows."

https://www.carbo...e-change

Guns are not killing people; people are. Fix your carbons!

Jun 02, 2019
India is indeed one of the harshest examples of desertification. But as this map shows: almost the whole western half of the USA is drying out and heating up, as is much of the middle east.

https://upload.wi..._map.png

Americas solution to this, is banning any state sponsored climate forecast beyond 2040 so they can keep burning fossil fuels !

Jun 02, 2019
And then we actually still have skewed eyed Goons as politicians arguing global warming is not real.

Oh, they'll come around. When that billion people in India (and a couple billion from elsewhere) suddenly stop buying their good and start moving to the US.

Jun 02, 2019
50C, Now that's HOT! But that's only the beginning of the next 1000 years or so.

Jun 02, 2019
Global Warming lays waste, it's really bad

Jun 02, 2019
The cockeyed goons responding precisely as predicted (well not surprisingly), it's real easy to fool these grunts, just tell them to look out the window, if it looks a little misty to them the whole world must be cold and misty and suddenly a frenzy of phantom freezing overwhelms their shallow perception of existence.

Jun 02, 2019
India is indeed one of the harshest examples of desertification. But as this map shows: almost the whole western half of the USA is drying out and heating up, as is much of the middle east.
......instead the N America is getting more & more of the rain they're NOT getting. Desertification is not happening on N America, just the opposite

Jun 02, 2019
@Benni.
instead the N America is getting more & more of the rain they're NOT getting. Desertification is not happening on N America, just the opposite.
Why do you keep missing the point, mate? Climate science has been predicting such climate pattern instability/shifts for decades...and you just agreed with them! :)

So why not go the full hog and agree that destabilised climate patterns, more extreme weather events, increasing damage/disease caused by same, are all trending scenarios predicted by climate scientists extrapolating AGW consequences from decades ago to present/future stages?

We're only in a transition stage now. But if we don't slow/stop that trending, we will soon see 'tipping point' stage; and exacerbated GW and Climate Extremes induced by vast releases of previously naturally long-sequestered Methane/CO2 from land/ocean Clathrates/Hydrates and burning Peat regions.

If you're a human being with a healthy brain-mind you should not miss this point, @Benni.

Jun 02, 2019
Why do you keep missing the point, mate? Climate science has been predicting such climate pattern instability/shifts for decades
.......this contradicts this:
all trending scenarios predicted by climate scientists extrapolating AGW consequences from decades ago to present/future stages?


.......not smart on your part because climate change history has recorded swings & shifts like the article describes since long before man ever showed his face here, the same with CO2 levels.

Jun 02, 2019
@Benni.
Why do you keep missing the point, mate? Climate science has been predicting such climate pattern instability/shifts for decades
this contradicts this:
all trending scenarios predicted by climate scientists extrapolating AGW consequences from decades ago to present/future stages?
not smart on your part because climate change history has recorded swings & shifts like the article describes since long before man ever showed his face here, the same with CO2 levels.
Why are you trying so hard to miss the salient point, @Benni?

The changes are more sudden globally than they were in geologic time periods of change.

Moreover these shifts/extremes/trends are indicators that we are affecting the global patterns due to AGW as already predicted over a much shorter span of time than natural/geologic changes of the past.

Here in Oz/all over the globe, we are witnessing detrimental shifts to patterns/damage/events which we are less and less able to recover from.

Jun 02, 2019
There are about 1 million cities in the world. There about 365 days in the year. I want to know if the 122 degree temperature exceeds 7 or 8 sigma, because that is about how many data points we get each year and therefore we have a very high chance of many areas exceeding 5 sigma limits each year. If the article was about science, it would discuss this problem, if it was about politics, it would not discuss these points.

Jun 02, 2019
I want to know if the 122 degree temperature exceeds 7 or 8 sigma
Why do you want to know that grandpa? Did you not read this?
All of Rajasthan suffered in severe heat with several cities hitting maximum temperatures above 47 Celsius
Obviously you don't care that thousands of people are dying. It is just easier to be a pretend scientist - and poo poo the suffering of others. https://gizmodo.c...09446172 So what is your explanation for the current warming trend grandpa? Give us some science to support your explanation.

Jun 02, 2019
Here in Oz/all over the globe, we are witnessing detrimental shifts to patterns/damage/events which we are less and less able to recover from.
.......when I read about your political leadership never grounding their jet planes like Al Gore never has, that to me is a strong clue AGW doesn't exist.

Jun 02, 2019
Benni
climate change history has recorded swings & shifts like the article describes since long before man ever showed his face here, the same with CO2 levels
Thanks captain obvious. And how do we know this? Oh right - the climate scientists have constructed proxy data. So are you familiar with Milankovich cycles? Look here at a graph of temps and C02 levels for the past 400,000 years. Do you understand how C02 and temperature are clearly related? Do you understand that relationship? So maybe you can explain what has caused C02 levels to be higher than any time in 800,000 years! https://www.clima...-dioxide
Please elaborate for us the implications of this reality on our planet - with some science to support it - not just your so profound opinion.

Jun 02, 2019
when I read about your political leadership never grounding their jet planes
You don't even understand the difference between science - and politics. How many times do you have to have that deficit pointed out to you - before you educate yourself?

Jun 02, 2019
India has normal weather === Moral Panic !

Jun 02, 2019
So what is your explanation for the current warming trend grandpa? Give us some science to support your explanation.
There is global warming, but the article is sensationalism about global warming. Records will always be set everywhere. If the world population rate were to grow at one percent per year for 6000 years, starting with 2 people, we would now have 1.01^6000=8.47701*10^25 people on earth now. Since one percent growth rate it totally reasonable, it means that there have always been millions of disasters of some type killing people and every other animal on earth. Are you going to claim global climate change for every disaster?

Jun 02, 2019
when I read about your political leadership never grounding their jet planes
You don't even understand the difference between science - and politics. How many times do you have to have that deficit pointed out to you - before you educate yourself?
says green o

Benni is correct. The very people who preach the sermons that everyone who is not them had better toe the line and obey the 'ruling class', which is those who have the money to fly everywhere in their jet planes loaded with fossil fuels.
I have yet to read about rich IPCC members traveling by sailboat and then hot-air balloon to attend the Climate summits so that they can talk about how all the rest of humanity is ruining the planet by trying to keep warm in winter and cool in hot summers. Rich hypocrites such as Al Gore and others such as politicians and Hollywood types are known for their extravagant styles of living, and they can afford to live well. But they also look down on the middle working-class.

Jun 02, 2019
-contd-
As to the difference between "science" and "politics", the only real difference is the money that is spent on funding and the lobbying efforts to get the desired legislation done to keep the funding coming. Scientists have to eat too, and if the IPCC tells them to show evidence of climate change anywhere in the world - they also have to toe the line whether they like it or not.

The point is that nobody likes hypocrisy. Now, if the public is expected to do the right thing, the the Al Gores and the whole IPCC should also comply 100%. If they are seen not complying, then there is no sense of urgency in the public eye.

Jun 03, 2019
@snoosebaum.
India has normal weather === Moral Panic !
Are you really this stupid....or just very inattentive...or maybe you're just 'very careless with the truth', mate? In any case, he whole point of the facts/reality just reported by the article for your information, is that it is NOT "normal weather". Get it yet, @snoose? :)

ps: The same applies Down Under (especially here in Oz); it has NOT been "normal weather" here for many years now. Our region and certain other regions in the world are effectively the "canaries in the coal mine" Early-Warning system for global warming trend. Pay attention instead of being stupid on the net like you have been for some time now, @snoose.

Good luck to us all. :)

Jun 03, 2019
somebody left the thermo-meter out in the sun

Jun 03, 2019
@S_E_U.
Benni is correct. The very people who preach the sermons that everyone who is not them had better toe the line and obey the 'ruling class', which is those who have the money to fly everywhere in their jet planes loaded with fossil fuels.
No he is not, mate; he is misguided as to opportunity costs situation of alternatives. If they had to travel by motor vehicle/train/ship their carbon footprint would be the same or worse...and less efficient/timely. Things have to be done/said all over the world for getting people's attention. The Internet isn't enough (especially as misused/abused by long-proven/exposed Russian/GOP/Fossil troll-factories), else we would all be further along by now.

Implementing renewables/battery energy alternatives for road/rail/ship transportation, and thus minimising coal/oil burning, means that Air Travel could remain as is, since planes' contribution to CO2 emissions would then be no problem once coal/oil burning is drastically curtailed.

Jun 03, 2019
@snoosebaum.
somebody left the thermo-meter out in the sun
Perhaps that explains it...someone left the "snoosebaum" out in the sun too long...and the result has been there for all to 'see' in your 'heat addled' trolls. Do/Be a better human being instead of a better idiot. mate. Good luck. :)

Jun 03, 2019
Antigoracle and his regular sockpuppets snoose loose ,beni, SEU, grandfart,benni, above as dumb as nuts when it comes to reality, looks like their having their daily chest thumping session up in the tree, O wait it's only him and his socks..lol Where's theredpill ? and Waterprophet ! Your clown party will be complete if you bring them along ;)

Jun 03, 2019
The boy in the picture who is dousing himself with a bucket of cool, refreshing water appears to be standing next to a well-pump, which is most likely where the bucket of water came out of. Not knowing when the picture was taken it is hard to know if there is a drought in the area since the field seems to be heavily laden with growing vegetation. But, at least some of the water faiiing from the boy will water a few of the plants near him.
In the time of a 'real drought', that boy would not likely be allowed to pour that much water on himself

Jun 03, 2019
The Idiot aka antigoracle sockpuppet SEU is basing his opinion about the weather in India on a picture of a boy with a bucket of water lol this concludes exactly my earlier post, to fool these clown deniers is very simple, show them a picture and without thinking, because of their inability to think, they make their definite conclusions about the reality they think is real globally. O man funnier than this it does not get.. :D

Jun 03, 2019
Antigoracle and his regular sockpuppets snoose loose ,beni, SEU, grandfart,benni, above as dumb as nuts when it comes to reality, looks like their having their daily chest thumping session up in the tree, O wait it's only him and his socks..lol Where's theredpill ? and Waterprophet ! Your clown party will be complete if you bring them along ;)
says goodbye menelo

I am not a sock. You have been reading SpookyOtto1923's LIES where his obvious mental illness causes him to imagine that I and others such as Benni, Snoosebaum and grandpa are sock puppets. I have read hundreds of past articles and those where Otto has commented proved the it is HE who had been using many alternate accounts to make fun of other commenters or use abusive and inappropriate language against these people. So I would advise you to straighten yourself out and quit savaging innocent people. Neither you OR Otto own this website, so stop acting like you do. Grow up and add something of value to the site, ok?

Jun 03, 2019
The Idiot aka antigoracle sockpuppet SEU is basing his opinion about the weather in India on a picture of a boy with a bucket of water lol this concludes exactly my earlier post, to fool these clown deniers is very simple, show them a picture and without thinking, because of their inability to think, they make their definite conclusions about the reality they think is real globally. O man funnier than this it does not get.. :D


If you had bothered to read my comment about the boy without a bias against what I had to say, you MIGHT have noticed that I did not say that the boy represents all of India. He is standing on a small patch of land pouring a bucket of water, and is not straddling across many regions.
I commented on the well-pump and that he would not have been allowed to waste water in a real drought crisis. Got it? Try to read slowly so that you can get the full meaning of the words, ok?

Jun 03, 2019
No you are ( AS Always) clearly trying to Avoid and Deny the Fact that the climate is changing due To Human Induced Causes, and this you have been doing for Years, trying to Deny any of this simply just adds self inflicted insult to your already beyond ridiculous reputation.

Antigoracle Sockpuppet SEU still typing from his mother's basement, forgetting to add his ask daddy sockpuppet and ask him what these big scientific words mean and how it describes reality, before you can post any real value dumbty, you first need grow out of your mother's basement, pass kindergarden, Then try to find someone that will teach you Science, (Good luck to the teacher) ;)

Jun 03, 2019
No you are ( AS Always) clearly trying to Avoid and Deny the Fact that the climate is changing due To Human Induced Causes, and this you have been doing for Years, trying to Deny any of this simply just adds self inflicted insult to your already beyond ridiculous reputation.

Antigoracle Sockpuppet SEU still typing from his mother's basement, forgetting to add his ask daddy sockpuppet and ask him what these big scientific words mean and how it describes reality, before you can post any real value dumbty, you first need grow out of your mother's basement, pass kindergarden, Then try to find someone that will teach you Science, (Good luck to the teacher) ;)


LOL You're nuttier than even Otto, and HE belongs in a straight jacket. Or you might even be Da Schneib in one of his disguises.
Yes. You talk like Da Schneib talks. So I will block you after reporting you. Have fun, idiot.

Jun 03, 2019
The Boy At The Well
The boy in the picture who is dousing himself with a bucket of cool, refreshing water appears to be standing next to a well-pump, which is most likely where the bucket of water came out of. Not knowing when the picture was taken it is hard to know if there is a drought in the area since the field seems to be heavily laden with growing vegetation. But, at least some of the water faiiing from the boy will water a few of the plants near him.
In the time of a 'real drought', that boy would not likely be allowed to pour that much water on himself

In this time of bountiful plenty
In these green and growing fields
Where for Aeons in these ancient farms
Farmers rely on their ancient wells
To water their crops in the heat of their ancient farming
To douse this annual heat of their ancient country
As their Children Play in this Bountiful Flowing Water
In this India
Brought to this Desert of East Anglia
Courtesy of this phys.org

Jun 03, 2019

LOL You're nuttier than even Otto, and HE belongs in a straight jacket. Or you might even be Da Schneib in one of his disguises.
Yes. You talk like Da Schneib talks. So I will block you after reporting you. Have fun, idiot.


We really don't care who you block, your views are irrelevant, we will however keep on exposing you because the truth is what matters, and for the years to come, your reputation will be engraved solid all by your own self inflicted ignorant shallow view, lying intentions and selfish outlook of your own world and reality.

Jun 03, 2019
Not much point, @Helo. They're all flood rope gang bait.

Jun 03, 2019
grandpa
There is global warming
Agreed. So what is your point about 7 or 8 sigma? We agree that there is global warming. Next we have to look into the driver of that warming. Any ideas?
Records will always be set everywhere
So what? In a world that was not warming - you would see record highs, and record lows - in about equal numbers. But we agree that the world is warming. So we see this - https://www.apnew...739c5da8
Consistent with a warming world - yes? So now what is your point grandpa? Mine is that the science says that the globe is warming (you agree on that) - that green house gases are the driver of that (you so far offer not explanation) - that much suffering is happening in our world (8 billion people is a lot) - and we would be smart to adopt the precautionary principle - and quit heating our climate (cuz the scientists are telling us.) No Benni is not right.

Jun 03, 2019
It was 15 degrees C warmer throughout most Earth's history: Cretaeous, Triassic, Jurassic, with plenty of life. A basic fact that they will deny, and insist 4 C increase is a catastrophe.

Jun 03, 2019
It was 15 degrees C warmer throughout most Earth's history: Cretaeous, Triassic, Jurassic, with plenty of life. A basic fact that they will deny, and insist 4 C increase is a catastrophe.

Science does not deny the truth, Clearly you have been misinformed with regards to what it actually means equating those times of steady-state high-CO2 to today's rapid increase in CO2 levels is irrelevant.

Those warm, high-CO2 eras lasted for millions of years. As a result, over those millions of years, the carbon cycle had access to the vast reservoirs of the deep ocean, sediments and rocks. This is a reservoir of some 100,000,000 petagrams of carbon.

There was no ocean-acidification/carbonate-crisis (and seashells did just fine) for the majority of the Cretaceous, Eocene and other steady-state greenhouse eras because carbonate saturation was high and decoupled from pH

Jun 03, 2019
Science does NOT deny The climate has changed throughout Earth's past, you are blatantly Lying saying it "denies" anything and CO2 has changed hand-in-hand with global temperatures. Stable, steady-state high CO2 times like the Cretaceous are not equivalent to today's rapid climate change because they were slow enough to access the vast carbon-cycle reservoirs of the deep ocean and sediments and were balanced by rock weathering.

Today's climate change is extremely rapid in geological terms, so is much more like events in Earth's past that triggered global warming, environmental stress, and sometimes caused mass extinctions.

Jun 03, 2019
Science does not deny the truth, Clearly you have been misinformed with regards to what it actually means equating those times of steady-state high-CO2 to today's rapid increase in CO2 levels is irrelevant.


Lol, Currently very low (400ppm) historic CO2 levels are irrelevant to stating the basic fact that temperatures have been much higher on Earth, typically. CO2 is a good thing, you're a brainwashed alarmist who's too smart for their own good.

Jun 03, 2019
Today's climate change is extremely rapid in geological terms, so is much more like events in Earth's past that triggered global warming, environmental stress, and sometimes caused mass extinctions.


This is a completely made up idea. You have no idea what you're talking about. How can you?
Let's spend trillions and cut back our life styles in this hell of a world, so you can theoretically save man.

Jun 03, 2019
Earth's past that triggered global warming, environmental stress, and sometimes caused mass extinctions.


Oh, extinctions from warming huh? LOL... nothing to do with asteriods or comets huh?
Dope.

Jun 03, 2019

Lol, Currently very low (400ppm) historic CO2 levels are irrelevant to stating the basic fact that temperatures have been much higher on Earth, typically. CO2 is a good thing, you're a brainwashed alarmist who's too smart for their own good.

And this right here yet again you did not even read the firt reply nor understand it, and just proves how little you actually do understand about science.

That value in itself was not unanticipated but, worryingly, it has come even sooner than expected, indicating that the rate of increase is rising. The urgent need to address carbon dioxide emissions, in order to avoid dangerous future climate change, is very clear

And No Typically too much CO2 can be disastrous, Again you don't understand the science, science don't brainwash, it tells the truth, YOU which is clearly a sockpuppet as stated on a previous post are a liar, misinformer and clearly uneducated in the field of climate science.

Jun 03, 2019

This is a completely made up idea. You have no idea what you're talking about. How can you?
Let's spend trillions and cut back our life styles in this hell of a world, so you can theoretically save man.

Lol made Up ? So if you don't understand the science you revert to saying it's made up,
Ludicrous beyond commenting on.

Oceans are acidifying now faster than any time in the last 56 million years (the time of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum or PETM). No rather lets all come together and don't try and deny the truth openly TOGETHER, and come up with solutions, but NO the deniers will keep on lying, mislead, falsify,pretend,deceive, be dumb and stupid before coming to a conclusion that not denying Human Induced Climate change is REAL.

Jun 03, 2019
Benni
climate change history has recorded swings & shifts like the article describes since long before man ever showed his face here, the same with CO2 levels


Look here at a graph of temps and C02 levels for the past 400,000 years. Do you understand how C02 and temperature are clearly related? Do you understand that relationship? So maybe you can explain what has caused C02 levels to be higher than any time in 800,000 years!
.......only 800k years? Why did you stop there? The planet is billions of years older than that.

Please elaborate for us the implications of this reality on our planet - with some science to support it - not just your so profound opinion.
......sure, billions of years beyond your precious 800k, ever look at them?

Jun 03, 2019
Earth's past that triggered global warming, environmental stress, and sometimes caused mass extinctions.


Oh, extinctions from warming huh? LOL... nothing to do with asteriods or comets huh?
Dope.


Yes from warming, you are only confusing yourself.

Most scientists agree a giant asteroid impact wiped out the dinosaurs, an episode of strong global warming had already triggered a major extinction event just before the impact.

Jun 03, 2019
@S_E_U.
Benni is correct. The very people who preach the sermons that everyone who is not them had better toe the line and obey the 'ruling class', which is those who have the money to fly everywhere in their jet planes loaded with fossil fuels.


No he is not, mate; he is misguided as to opportunity costs situation of alternatives. If they had to travel by motor vehicle/train/ship their carbon footprint would be the same or worse...and less efficient/timely.
Implementing renewables/battery energy alternatives for road/rail/ship transportation, and thus minimising coal/oil burning, means that Air Travel could remain as is, since planes' contribution to CO2 emissions would then be no problem once coal/oil burning is drastically curtailed.
.....and I remind you that leadership comes by EXAMPLE. Those who willfully refuse to set the EXAMPLE should not expect others to follow.

Jun 03, 2019
Most scientists agree a giant asteroid impact wiped out the dinosaurs, an episode of strong global warming had already triggered a major extinction event just before the impact.
.....how convenient the two events coincided with each other? Who sent the message to the asteroid? Al Gore?

Jun 03, 2019
Most scientists agree a giant asteroid impact wiped out the dinosaurs, an episode of strong global warming had already triggered a major extinction event just before the impact.
.....how convenient the two events coincided with each other? Who sent the message to the asteroid? Al Gore?
How convenient to babble anything that is thumb sucked without providing any proof whatsoever. Real Science does not get influenced by lying politicians.

Jun 03, 2019
Most scientists agree a giant asteroid impact wiped out the dinosaurs, an episode of strong global warming had already triggered a major extinction event just before the impact.
.....how convenient the two events coincided with each other? Who sent the message to the asteroid? Al Gore?
How convenient to babble anything that is thumb sucked without providing any proof whatsoever. Real Science does not get influenced by lying politicians.
........put up some names.

Jun 03, 2019
Benni
......sure, billions of years beyond your precious 800k, ever look at them?
Not my precious 800k years Benni - but a very important 800k years. Why don't you actually look at them. You will see the temps oscillated - shifting between periods of warm, and cool. What caused those oscillations Benni? Can you even answer one simple question - rather than going off on other tangents? You have never heard of Milankovich cycles. You know nothing about the carbon cycle. You don't understand the relationship between temps and C02. But you do know - that scientists have studied the earth's geological history - and understand that temps have been higher in the past. Knowing that information - that same community of scientists is very concerned about today's warming trend. What is causing that warming Benni? You are like a baby - looking at a super comupter - and thinking you understand it - cuz there is a pretty light flashing on it.

Jun 03, 2019
Benni
.and I remind you that leadership comes by EXAMPLE. Those who willfully refuse to set the EXAMPLE should not expect others to follow.
Agreed. And that has nothing to do with a discussion of the science of climate.

Jun 03, 2019
Benni
and I remind you that leadership comes by EXAMPLE. Those who willfully refuse to set the EXAMPLE should not expect others to follow.
Agreed. And that has nothing to do with a discussion of the science of climate.
.....it does if the honesty of the leadership in the field is in question.

Jun 03, 2019
Benni
.it does if the honesty of the leadership in the field is in question
No it does not. There is no 'leadership' in science. Science is a vast community of people - all striving to reveal and understand our universe. What some 'leader' may say - does not influence the facts. And then you bring up Al Gore - trying to suggest he is a 'leader' in science. He is not a scientist - he is a politician. How many times do we have to address the same issues?

Jun 03, 2019
old code
temperatures have been much higher on Earth
What do you think it says about you - that you keep repeating irrelevant information? We know that the earth has been warmer. How do we know? Did you measure it? NO - scientists have studied it. Did you study it? NO. And the scientists who have done the millions of hours of complex research - to construct proxy data temperature reconstructions - tell us that we have a problem. But you just want to keep repeating one irrelevant fact - that we keep telling you that we know. The problem the scientists are warning us about - is that the current warming is caused by the build up of green house gasses - and there is a danger of creating run away warming. So you don't give a shit about the people in India - suffering the consequences of climate change. You sadly represent a group of really horrible people. People incapable of learning.

Jun 03, 2019
NO the deniers will keep on lying, mislead, falsify,pretend,deceive, be dumb and stupid before coming to a conclusion that not denying Human Induced Climate change is REAL.


You're a fool. Banks still give out 30 year mortgages in Miami.

And I never said climate change wasn't real you idiot.

Jun 03, 2019
old code
And I never said climate change wasn't real you idiot
But you keep repeating false arguments. You keep throwing up the same crap - no matter how many times people make the correction. We know the earth has been warmer. We know that because the scientists have studied it - and given us the temperature reconstructions. That is called science. We also know that the primary candidate for the driver of the current warming - is green house gases. If you want to posit a different driver - show us the evidence. Otherwise - what is your POINT? You suggest that the fact that banks in Florida still give out mortgages - actually disproves climate change? Come on - what really is you POINT.

Jun 03, 2019
Green onions,

Weather and all its affects are a dynamic, chaotic system. All scientists, who understand statistics, should realize that we cannot predict what a warming climate will do in any specific situation. There are too many variables. Any mass change we make to policy will have the same affect. We will not know, or be able to predict, what those mass changes will do.

Jun 03, 2019
we cannot predict what a warming climate will do in any specific situation
So what? We do have models - that have proven very robust - and warn us of increased chances of extreme events. Do you not think the fact that we are seeing hot temperature records broken at twice the rate of cold records - validates the reality that our world is warming? Do you not care about the people of India - who are suffering in the current heat wave? I just don't see you and old code making a point - other than "look at me, look at me - I am smarter than all the scientists - and I don't care if other people suffer - cuz my life is good." Surely employing the precautionary principle - and transitioning to cleaner/better energy sources - is just a smart insurance policy - pushes the human race forward in terms of shifting to a non polluting/sustainable energy system - and shows we give a shit.

Jun 03, 2019
[ "look at me, look at me - I am smarter than all the scientists - and I don't care if other people suffer - cuz my life is good." Surely employing the precautionary principle - and transitioning to cleaner/better energy sources - is just a smart insurance policy - pushes the human race forward in terms of shifting to a non polluting/sustainable energy system - and shows we give a shit.
First off, I do believe the earth is warming, but the charts clearly show that the weather is more chaotic with low carbon dioxide levels. More stable with high carbon dioxide levels. https://www.googl...U_R9kBM: There are many variables to weather, to shout global climate change everytime the weather is different, is not scientific, it is crying wolf and saying the sky is falling.

Jun 03, 2019

LOL You're nuttier than even Otto, and HE belongs in a straight jacket. Or you might even be Da Schneib in one of his disguises.
Yes. You talk like Da Schneib talks. So I will block you after reporting you. Have fun, idiot.


We really don't care who you block, your views are irrelevant, we will however keep on exposing you because the truth is what matters, and for the years to come, your reputation will be engraved solid all by your own self inflicted ignorant shallow view, lying intentions and selfish outlook of your own world and reality.


Exposing what? Your line of reasoning is vague and makes no sense whatsoever. You seem to have a need to victimise someone in a science website. And you never have submitted any kind of science opinion or fact. So I can only surmise that you and your gang of down voting sock puppets are either grade-schoolchildren, or you are yet another sock puppet of Otto's. Otto HATES competitive comments and resents real intelligence

Jun 03, 2019
@S_E_U.
Benni is correct. The very people who preach the sermons that everyone who is not them had better toe the line and obey the 'ruling class', which is those who have the money to fly everywhere in their jet planes loaded with fossil fuels.


No he is not, mate; he is misguided as to opportunity costs situation of alternatives. If they had to travel by motor vehicle/train/ship their carbon footprint would be the same or worse...
Implementing renewables/battery energy alternatives for road/rail/ship transportation, and thus minimising coal/oil burning, means that Air Travel could remain as is, since planes' contribution to CO2 emissions would then be no problem once coal/oil burning is drastically curtailed.
.....and I remind you that leadership comes by EXAMPLE. Those who willfully refuse to set the EXAMPLE should not expect others to follow.
says Benni

Absolutely. But the IPCC isn't interested in humanity.
--contd-

Jun 03, 2019
@Benni, et al

Do you REALLY BELIEVE that the IPCC is interested in the reduction of GHG for the sake of humanity?
The real objective is EUGENICS in as subtle ways as possible so as not to alarm the world's populations. There are almost 8 BILLION humans living on this planet and ALL of them are contributing in some way to AGW and climate changes and human-generated pollution of land, sea and air. This is intolerable and it is mostly caused by overpopulation of the Earth.
However, the western nations, particularly White folks are having fewer babies and adding to the populations. So how is it that humanity is approaching 8 billion souls now. WHO is doing this?

That is where EUGENICS comes in. The reduction of non-White populations who reproduce too often even if they can't afford to feed and raise them is the TRUE GOAL of the IPCC. BUT they don't dare reveal their true goal, as it is considered to be 'racist, bigoted, misogynist, homophobic, anti-Democratic, fascistic, and mean'.

Jun 03, 2019
@Benni, et al

Do you REALLY BELIEVE that the IPCC is interested in the reduction of GHG for the sake of humanity?

I do think the most radical global climate change people, are also the abortionists. I don't believe their argument about abortion, the my body, my choice, because if a child is born, the man has to use his body to make money to support the child, and he has no choice. I really believe that if society is to be a civilized society, it must protect the unborn just as much as it protects other stages of life.

Jun 03, 2019
@Benni, et al

So the IPCC has summit meetings while arriving in luxury aboard their air-polluting jet planes and petrol-filled automobiles just so that they can lambast their fellow humans for also seeking comfortable means. But they will NEVER tell non-Whites of the world to stop/cease having babies and large families because that is regarded as biased, racist, bigoted etc etc and will be heavily criticised as wanting to be the "master race". Yes, that again.

So the populations increase and the IPCC blames the AGW and climate warming/global change on the western nations who are already cutting back on baby-making or resorting to homosexuality to prevent baby-making. This is while non-Whites are extremely sexual and continually adding to populations.
And the IPCC and their constituents are still making their own pollution because they believe that they are exempt from taking part in reduction of GHGs due to their status.

Jun 03, 2019
@Benni, et al

Do you REALLY BELIEVE that the IPCC is interested in the reduction of GHG for the sake of humanity?

I do think the most radical global climate change people, are also the abortionists. I don't believe their argument about abortion, the my body, my choice, because if a child is born, the man has to use his body to make money to support the child, and he has no choice. I really believe that if society is to be a civilized society, it must protect the unborn just as much as it protects other stages of life.
says grandpa

One would think that a woman who is contemplating having an abortion for the second time would have learnt already to either 1) not have sex at all, or 2) use some form of birth control so that an abortion will not be necessary. But humans are driven by emotions and feelings and not much common sense, and most of all, the need for neuronal stimulations (because it FEELS SO GOOOD).
-contd-

Jun 03, 2019
-contd-
and when a baby winds up inside them, they run to Planned Parenthood so that someone can murder the baby after it's born already. Why? For convenience. IF the life of the 'mother' is in danger during the birth process, then the (manmade) Law deems it appropriate to kill the foetus or baby to save the woman's life. Who can argue with that?
But recently the politicians in New York have approved and applauded the murdering of a newly-born baby after it has already been born and outside of her if the 'mother' and her doctor want it done.
Infanticide and the 'taking of a life' is now the order of the day in certain US States such as in NY and Virginia. This is being done amongst so-called "CIVILISED Americans".
The Beast walks amongst us and encourages the murder of innocent babies. And women are not afraid of the Beast.

Jun 03, 2019
-contd-
So, if you folks honestly believe that the IPCC, climate scientists and politicians are really worried about the people in India dying of the heat, I've got a bridge to sell to you.
EUGENICS, you fools. The dying of humans in India, Asia and Africa is what eugenicists are looking forward to happening. Their deaths mean that much more room on the planet, and less pollution of land, sea and air so that 4 billion deaths is of no great consequence to them. Neither are newborn babies.

In the meantime, the homeless who live in the city of Los Angeles, California have been given a 'deal' by the city fathers to haul away the rat-infested furniture owned by the homeless, in exchange for about 8 city blocks of downtown L.A. real estate for the homeless to use.
There is a form of insanity that has stricken politicians of the Democrat Party in many parts of California. Don't go there unless you want to step on human feces on the streets and sidewalks.

Jun 03, 2019
Phoenix, AZ, only two days above 100 degrees prior to June 1st this year, no global warming there.

Jun 03, 2019
Well, it's amusing to read the Rightwing flakes and nuts carry-on about everything that doesn't relate to the article. (Rightwing flakes; take up your stuff on some dim-bulb, backwoods AM talk radio). You guys are nuts in believing all of your junk. Junk science, junk facts, junk information, junk news, junk politics, junk cars, junk house, junk families.... etc... etc... How can you guys just ignore the overwhelming 100% scientific consensus (ie, raw-data) on climate change?

Between the highest levels of methane recorded to record beaking CO2 levels with very accurate proxies going back nearly a million years, to the more re-occurring heat waves and brutal weather phenomena; it's all related to dangerously extreme AGW due to mankind's absurdly abnormal consumption of fossil fuels.


Jun 03, 2019
grandpa
but the charts clearly show that the weather is more chaotic with low carbon dioxide levels
But we are not talking about weather are we? Weather and climate are different. When you talk about a whole region - experiencing an extended heat wave - we are not talking about weather. The fact that you don't understand the very basics - and then want to throw around sigma 7 questions about individual cities - is staggering.
I do think the most radical global climate change people, are also the abortionists
Any support for that assertions grandpa? Now the mask really comes off doesn't it? We are arguing with a crank. Join the ranks of SEU. News flash - the SCIENCE of climate change - and people's views on abortion - are not related. You think that science and politics are the same thing don't you? What a whacked out world!

Jun 03, 2019
howhot
Well, it's amusing to read the Rightwing flakes and nuts carry-on about everything that doesn't relate to the article
Amusing is not the word I would choose. How does one live in a world - in which people seriously want to debate science topics such as climate change - and then show they know almost nothing about the subject - but believe that it is a grand conspiracy of 'abortionists?' I'm going to get a glass of wine - which of course makes me a deep state, communist, globalist, atheist. Ahhhhhhhh!

Jun 03, 2019
How can you guys just ignore the overwhelming 100% scientific consensus (ie, raw-data) on climate change?
......it's easy, we just take into account whose peddling it. Don't understand that do you? In other words, "You're known by the company you keep", capiche?

Jun 03, 2019
What the hell does abortion have to do with the temperature in India?

This is another nutjob. Ignore it.

Jun 03, 2019
What the hell does abortion have to do with the temperature in India?

This is another nutjob. Ignore it.
......we keep trying, but you keep coming back like an abortion gone bad, it lived.

Jun 03, 2019
Look, here's the deal: either you care about brown people dying on the other side of the world BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU, or you're a racist. Simple as that. And racists deserve to be ignored, if not worse.

And BTW they got nuclear weapons. Maybe you forgot.

Personally I'd be pretty pissed off if we got bombed because you can't keep your fucking racism to yourself.

There are brown people. They're people just like you. GET OVER IT.

Jun 03, 2019
And BTW, why exactly are the Chinese selling coal plants to India and Pakistan and Africa?

Because they're racists too. And that's why you'll find me beating up on them.

Eventually we're going to have to kill all the racists. It would be more merciful to train their children away from it; we tried that in the US and they all went to "home schooling" to keep the real people from "contaminating their minds" with anti-racism. Fine; shoot or hang them all, and take the babies away to be taught reality.

I'm getting really tired of watching this shit.

Racism should be a capital crime, and when I get the chance to vote on it I will.

Jun 03, 2019
@Old_C_Code.
It was 15 degrees C warmer throughout most Earth's history: Cretaeous, Triassic, Jurassic, with plenty of life. A basic fact that they will deny, and insist 4 C increase is a catastrophe....Currently very low (400ppm) historic CO2 levels are irrelevant to stating the basic fact that temperatures have been much higher on Earth, typically...
Do you really want to return to temp levels that suited the dinosaurs rather than humans?...Oh, and a fuller response to your above-repeated assertions is in thread:
https://phys.org/...lds.html

Let's spend trillions and cut back our life styles in this hell of a world, so you can theoretically save man.
Your/your progeny's "life styles" would be dire indeed (even non-existent) if we reach 'tipping point', @O_C_C.

Remember the old adage: A stitch in time saves nine!

So folk spend money on precautions to avoid future (costlier) fire; rather than spending it on 'life style'. Be sensible. :)

Jun 03, 2019
'' Eventually we're going to have to kill all the racists.''

LOL , starting with yourself i hope . A new level of insanity

Jun 03, 2019
Go fuck yourself in the heart, racist, You people are behind 90% of the suffering in this world. And your self-identified enemies have plenty of nuclear weapons, which the non-insane people will have to suffer right along with you before you die. I merely suggest that since you're going to die anyway, you might as well do it now.

Hating people for what color their skin is or what they believe is one thing; hating them for what they do is entirely another. And you do evil.

Jun 03, 2019
grandpa
but the charts clearly show that the weather is more chaotic with low carbon dioxide levels
But we are not talking about weather are we? Weather and climate are different. When you talk about a whole region - experiencing an extended heat wave - we are not talking about weather. The fact that you don't understand the very basics - and then want to throw around sigma 7 questions about individual cities - is staggering.
I do think the most radical global climate change people, are also the abortionists
Any support for that assertions grandpa? Now the mask really comes off doesn't it? We are arguing with a crank. Join the ranks of SEU. News flash - the SCIENCE of climate change - and people's views on abortion - are not related. You think that science and politics are the same thing don't you?
[/qsays g o

Populations is what is claimed to be driving AGW. It is the "Anthropogenic" in AGW that is causing it.

Jun 03, 2019
Populations is what is claimed to be driving AGW. It is the "Anthropogenic" in AGW that is causing it.
Yep, and there's two ways to deal with it: kill a lot of people (actually most people) or institute proper birth control. You choose.

And it doesn't matter if they're brown people; they're people and if you like killing most of them off you're a racist.

I can smell you people from a mile away.


Jun 03, 2019
Look, here's the deal: either you care about brown people dying on the other side of the world BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU, or you're a racist. Simple as that. And racists deserve to be ignored, if not worse.

And BTW they got nuclear weapons. Maybe you forgot.

Personally I'd be pretty pissed off if we got bombed because you can't keep your fucking racism to yourself.

There are brown people. They're people just like you. GET OVER IT.
says the mind-reading alien lizard

I have no problem with brown, black, yellow, white, grey or blue people. But it seems strange that you would bring up "race" just to get yourself off on the race subject to pretend how tolerant you think you are to the readers of this phorum. And besides, many Indians are White, in case you were not aware of it. And it's the hot weather that is the problem, not their "race".

Jun 03, 2019
@SEU, you're the person who claimed to be a mind-reading alien. You drove a good user off here because the mods wouldn't ban a psychotic. So your attempt to turn it around is obvious. Don't you have anything else? Everyone saw it and you have to know better than to challenge me to search it up.

Jun 03, 2019
Sorry you find brown people scary, @SEU, but don't you think you should consider the fact that it's you?

Jun 03, 2019
@SEU, you're the person who claimed to be a mind-reading alien. You drove a good user off here because the mods wouldn't ban a psychotic. So your attempt to turn it around is obvious. Don't you have anything else? Everyone saw it and you have to know better than to challenge me to search it up.
says Schneib, the mind-reading alien lizard nutjob

Nope, I never claimed to be an alien lizard OR mind-reading. But YOU started that whole business of accusing me of mind-reading and a lizard. And you kept doing it in every phorum your were in.
HOW you came to those conclusions must have been from your having a brain tumour that causes you to think strange thoughts. You should go for an MRI ASAP.

Jun 03, 2019
@Phyllis Harmonic would disagree with you, @SEU. She was quite clear about it. I don't blame her; you're obviously psychotic. Now fuck off, psychotic racist who claims to be a mind-reading alien.

Jun 03, 2019
howhot
Well, it's amusing to read the Rightwing flakes and nuts carry-on about everything that doesn't relate to the article
Amusing is not the word I would choose. How does one live in a world - in which people seriously want to debate science topics such as climate change - and then show they know almost nothing about the subject - but believe that it is a grand conspiracy of 'abortionists?' I'm going to get a glass of wine - which of course makes me a deep state, communist, globalist, atheist. Ahhhhhhhh!
says green 0

Eugenics was the word I spoke about. And Eugenics is the destruction of certain populations, particularly through Abortions. And the increase in population of Earth up to 8 BILLION people also increases that AGW problem that you insist is real. So, all 3 topics are pertinent to the topic in this phorum.
Eugenics
Populations (8 billion people)
AGW

Jun 03, 2019
Explain @Phyllis Harmonic @SEU. Now. Or admit your psychotic bullshit.

Jun 03, 2019
@Phyllis Harmonic would disagree with you, @SEU. She was quite clear about it. I don't blame her; you're obviously psychotic. Now fuck off, psychotic racist who claims to be a mind-reading alien.
says the LIAR Schneib

Reported for abusive and inappropriate language and unrepentant lying.

Jun 03, 2019
Sorry, @SEU, everyone here has seen you chasing @Phyllis Harmonic off this site with your psychotic bullshit. You are either an accomplished liar troll or a psychotic. Your choice. That's supposing they aren't the same thing which I think they are.

Explain the @Phyllis Harmonic incident or admit your true nature.

I'm right here right now. Do or die, dude.

Jun 03, 2019
@RealityCheck

So sorry to hear that the temperature is so high 'down under'. Is it Summer or Winter there in Australia now?

Jun 03, 2019
How about India, racist @SEU?

Maybe you forgot that's what the article is about.

Jun 03, 2019
How about India, racist @SEU?

Maybe you forgot that's what the article is about. [/q

LOL I love ALL races and ethnic groups. As I said before, I have no problem with race as YOU do.

Jun 03, 2019
Then why denigrate them for dying in a heat wave you won't admit, @SEU?

Never mind the floods and tornadoes you don't admit in the central and eastern US?

Not to mention claiming to be a mind reading alien.

Jun 03, 2019
Moving right along here, this was the link you posted: https://www.youtu...bv2ZKOto

At the end, she runs away after having read his mind. This is you.


Jun 03, 2019
Then why denigrate them for dying in a heat wave you won't admit, @SEU?

Never mind the floods and tornadoes you don't admit in the central and eastern US?

Not to mention claiming to be a mind reading alien.


Lizard. You forgot alien lizard.

:D

Jun 04, 2019
I never claimed you were an alien lizard. You did. Not my problem.

Jun 04, 2019
What do you think it says about you - that you keep repeating irrelevant information?


You dope. Earth 15 C warmer most it's history is EXTREMELY relevant.

Jun 04, 2019
You dope. Earth 15 C warmer most it's history is EXTREMELY relevant
No it is not - and that is what we keep telling you. We KNOW that the earth has been warmer. How do we know? Did you do the research? NO. We know because the scientists who study this stuff have done millions of hours of research - with ice cores, and sediments, and isotopes, and all the stuff they do. These people have revealed this information to us - that you think is so RELEVANT. And this body of scientists - are the ones also telling us that the earth is currently warming - that this warming is anomalous (never had humans burning all this carbon before), and that we have a problem. And no matter how many times we point out that we KNOW and UNDERSTAND a lot about past warming. You DOPES still pop up on every thread - and declare that you have revealed the holy grail.

Jun 04, 2019
How about India, racist @SEU?

Maybe you forgot that's what the article is about.


LOL I love ALL races and ethnic groups. As I said before, I have no problem with race as YOU do.


>Egg........race is always the argument of last resort when the positer realizes he/she has already lost the basis of the original argument.

Jun 04, 2019
No it is not - and that is what we keep telling you. We KNOW that the earth has been warmer. How do we know?
........that's right, and it didn't start a 100 years ago, try many different epochs of time over more than just the 800k years you are so fixated on, try billions of years.

Hey greeno, divide just the last 1 billion years by the 800k years you love to hang onto for your data of the many cycles of climate change & you get 1250 more cycles of climate change. Explain to us why the data must be faulty in light of the fact homo-sapiens weren't here?

The fact of the matter is that you don't care about making data relevant, you just want the issue because you need something to talk about inside your cloistered little coffee clatch.

I remember the first time I ever read anything you wrote here about all these solar panels you were gonna install, that had to be at least ten years ago, and you're STILL talking about installing them. What's the holdup?

Jun 04, 2019
Explain the @Phyllis Harmonic incident or admit your true nature.

I'm right here right now. Do or die, dude.
.....of course you're here, as an embedded Pysorg Moderator it is your retirement career, otherwise you wouldn't know what else to do with your time as a retired old technology computer programmer who never sat in college classroom with a physics book in front of you.

You've been learning almost all of your Physics by your presence in this chatroom while reading Benni's Comments as I have been prodding your foul mouth & sorry ass into the world of Real Science, like introducing you to the Inverse Square Law for the first time in your life.

Jun 04, 2019
And BTW, why exactly are the Chinese selling coal plants to India and Pakistan and Africa?

Because they're racists too. And that's why you'll find me beating up on them.

Eventually we're going to have to kill all the racists...


What, Chinese too? All of them?
I guess this one gets filled under "genocidal, but otherwise well meaning" by the site moderators.

Jun 04, 2019
And BTW, why exactly are the Chinese selling coal plants to India and Pakistan and Africa?

Because they're racists too. And that's why you'll find me beating up on them.

Eventually we're going to have to kill all the racists...


What, Chinese too? All of them?
I guess this one gets filled under "genocidal, but otherwise well meaning" by the site moderators.
......Da Schneibo is one of the Physorg site Moderators, you'd think the administrators of this site would have a better screening policy for Moderators than what they have presently. He's simply a cyberbully getting away with indecency just because he can & has all the time in the world for doing so.

Jun 04, 2019
benni
........that's right, and it didn't start a 100 years ago
No Benni - but the current warming trend did start a little over 100 years ago - https://en.wikipe...ison.png
So what is the driver of that warming trend Benni? With supporting evidence of course. What is the driver of that warming Benni? Come on - take your best shot. Scientists understand much about those past warming periods. You know Milankovich cycles, C02 feed back loops, all complex stuff - way over your head.
All that personal shit you want to bring up - just shows what a man baby you are.

Jun 04, 2019
Scientists understand much about those past warming periods. You know Milankovich cycles
.......then why don't neophytes like you take a lesson from the pages of historical records that scientists already know about when you admit that the current warming started over 100 years ago?

Jun 04, 2019
.then why don't neophytes like you ...
Because it does not matter what I admit, or believe, or advocate. It is not about me. That is the part that man babies cannot understand. It is about science. And the science says that C02 levels started to increase about 200 years ago - and guess what? Temps started to increase about the same time. https://www.bbc.c...vision/4

So what's you point Benni? Still waiting for your explanation of current warming trend - being that you personally know better than all the science.

Jun 04, 2019
I never claimed you were an alien lizard. You did. Not my problem.
says Da Scheide

Of course you did. YOU were the first to claim that I am an alien lizard, and can read minds.
Stop backtracking your previous lies and own up to your sins. Do you really think that all or most of the other commentators here in physorg are unaware that YOU are a SUPREMO LIAR OF THE FIRST ORDER? They already know all about you and what kind of lying creature you are. That's why most of them don't even talk to you. Which is why you had to make sock puppets so that you could agree with yourself. LOL
I would have NEVER thought of calling myself a "lizard", but YOU thought of it and said it - over and over in many phorums.
I can copy and paste the instances when you began calling me an alien lizard - along with the link.
What is said in physorg, STAYS in physorg.

Jun 04, 2019
Some people are saying the people of India are suffering because of hot temperatures. I think the best measure of suffering is life expectancy. If life expectancy is high then there was overall less suffering. The world, since CO2 emissions have been increasing, have gone through the most incredible increase in life expectancy the last 200 years. Of course, I attribute a lot of this to advance in science, but all this advance, to be implemented over large populations needed energy, ie fossil fuels. So I think, to use isolated incidences of suffering in one place, is just not science. The following chart shows the increase in worldwide life expectancy. https://www.googl...15701171

Jun 04, 2019
.then why don't neophytes like you ...
Because it does not matter what I admit, or believe, or advocate. It is not about me. That is the part that man babies cannot understand. It is about science. And the science says that C02 levels started to increase about 200 years ago - and guess what? Temps started to increase about the same time. https://www.bbc.c...vision/4

So what's you point Benni? Still waiting for your explanation of current warming trend - being that you personally know better than all the science.
says green onions

There it is. YOU said it yourself, that "CO2 levels started to increase about 200 years ago."
That right there is a condemnation of manmade 'technology' and sources of energy.
The first railroad trains that burnt wood for locomotion and then coal; the wood & coal burnt for home-heating and cooking; then the use of petrol and gas fields for transportation, etc. These are all manmade things out of technolo

Jun 04, 2019
-contd-
@green 0

Your 200 years of CO2 manmade global warming are a direct result of technological advances with regard to science and engineering, creating those improvements in human lives. Domestic and transportation technology for the BENEFIT OF MANKIND, greeno.
And now you and others are of the opinion that those tech advancements for the benefit of humans are what is driving the warming of the planet and must be stopped.
And what are your alternatives to all that tech that served humanity for 200 years?
Battery powered vehicles that require recharging on the road from electric stations that get THEIR electricity from fission, coal and oil-fired facilities?

Yes. Technology made it possible for the IPCC to call on countries like India and Australia to show what CO2 is doing to their people. But they are ALL STILL USING the technology. Should they quit buying and using computers, TVs, refrigerator/freezers, automobiles, airplanes, buses and trains?
What do you want, g o?

Jun 04, 2019
How can you guys just ignore the overwhelming 100% scientific consensus (ie, raw-data) on climate change?
......it's easy, we just take into account whose peddling it. Don't understand that do you? In other words, "You're known by the company you keep", capiche?
Capiche T.H.I.S! Beavus. The company I keep is with scientists and they'll smoke you to toast on the road with just a two or three brain cells activated. Besides, if you want cool science... just drop in here...

https://earth.nullschool.net

Ohhh look beavis .... a new toy.

Jun 04, 2019
SEU
And what are your alternatives to all that tech that served humanity for 200 years?
These are not MY alternatives SEU. But being that you are obviously ignorant of the world of technology - I will be happy to list a few for you.
Wind turbines.
Solar panels.
CSP
Nuclear power.
Geothermal.
Wave power.
Tidal power.
OTEC.
Ocean current.
Hydro.
Electric cars/trains/planes/boats
Bio fuel.
Storage using CAES, batteries (many different technologies), hydro, hydrogen, concrete blocks etc. etc. etc.
As to what I want - SEU - I want to see the human race use it's intelligence to create a world that works for all. A world where everyone has at least a minimum quality of life (water, food, shelter, healthcare etc.) We have the potential - but we are trapped in loops of stupidity - led by idiot deniers like yourself.

Jun 04, 2019
And what are your alternatives to all that tech that served humanity for 200 years?
Current society has really developed with the invention of electricity, AC distribution of power, methods of generating electric potential and distributing it. Indeed the societal status of an area can be correlated to the area's electric production capabilities. Coal, Oil, gas cannot survive forever. 1) they are killing the PLANET, 2) They pollute the PLANET, 3) there is not much left of it still in the ground. When was "Peak oil"? Given the fight on oil, the SUN already provides 100's of Tetrawatts of power in solar for free globally, which nature uses to grow plants, make sugar... the whole bio thing. But also wind, hydro and other tricks can make solar power into forms we can provide the grid. It's no big deal tech-wise. Just people doing the right thing would help.

Jun 04, 2019
If people just did the right thing there would be so many fewer problems in this world. Instead, I read some of the posts here that have more if a right-wing slant and wonder about the motives of the writers. When I see fiction posted as fact, I wonder about the source of that information and is it compromised by political motivation. Obviously, some people can believe and foolish things and they will be the media AM "talk" radio, Fox News or any number of right-wing propaganda sources.

Jun 04, 2019
If people just did the right thing there would be so many fewer problems in this world. Instead, I read some of the posts here that have more if a right-wing slant and wonder about the motives of the writers. When I see fiction posted as fact, I wonder about the source of that information and is it compromised by political motivation. Obviously, some people can believe and foolish things and they will be the media AM "talk" radio, Fox News or any number of right-wing propaganda sources.
says howhot

Since you brought up 'politics', I have to say that YOU sound like a Socialist like the leaders in Venezuela who hate the US. Tell us HOW you are goin to MAKE people do the 'right thing'. Will you legislate to force humans to stop polluting? I would like to see that. Humans will do as they wish. Some will be conscientious about their role in doing the 'right thing', while others, such as the homeless who defecate daily on the streets of California cities, will not. Make them.

Jun 04, 2019
says green onions:

Wind turbines. = only while the wind blows
Solar panels. = only while the sun shines
CSP = ? Is that Concentrated solar power?
Nuclear power. = Fusion still not accomplished; Fission too dirty; cold fusion LOL
Geothermal. = fine if you live in Iceland or near the Ring of Fire
Wave power. = has potential
Tidal power. = same as wave power
OTEC. = cooler deep and warmer shallow sea water for heat exchanger
Ocean current. = drifting power lines; snags on bottom and fishing boats
Hydro. = depending on the season for fast flowing water
Electric cars/trains/planes/boats = still depends on the grid for recharging
Bio fuel. = a good use of 'red tide' algae?
Storage using CAES, batteries (many different technologies), hydro, hydrogen, concrete blocks etc. etc. etc.
Hydrogen = too dangerous; remember the Hindenburg?

Jun 04, 2019
SEU
Will you legislate to force humans to stop polluting? I would like to see that
Oh no - that would never work would it?
The Clean Air Act, signed into law in1970 and strengthened in 1990, gave the federal government the authority to enforce regulations that limit air pollution
We have come a long way since the catastrophic Donora Smog. We know that levels of air pollution below current standards are unhealthy, particularly for vulnerable populations...

https://www.ncbi....4133758/

Jun 04, 2019
says green onions...
So what is your point SEU? Our world is transitioning to renewable energy. Just for example - the UK is closing all of it's coal plants - and should be coal free by 2025 - and running on renewables by 2050. So you asked me for the alternatives - and I listed some of them. There will be more. And despite the fact that you were obviously completely ignorant of the potential technologies - now all of a sudden you are an expert - and can comment on each one with great eloquence. But what is your point?

Jun 04, 2019
SEU
Will you legislate to force humans to stop polluting? I would like to see that
Oh no - that would never work would it?
The Clean Air Act, signed into law in1970 and strengthened in 1990, gave the federal government the authority to enforce regulations that limit air pollution
We have come a long way since the catastrophic Donora Smog. We know that levels of air pollution below current standards are unhealthy, particularly for vulnerable populations...

https://www.ncbi....4133758/
says green o

That's fine if you can catch them in the act of polluting the air. The one(s) who set fire to the forests in California were never caught, were they. Some people and wild forest animals died in those fires. Created a lot of air pollution too. How do you prevent that? Legislating didn't seem to help. It may have been just carelessness, or it was deliberately set. Possibly some homeless person. But the Law can't watch over everyone

Jun 04, 2019
says green onions...
So what is your point SEU? Our world is transitioning to renewable energy. Just for example - the UK is closing all of it's coal plants - and should be coal free by 2025 - and running on renewables by 2050. So you asked me for the alternatives - and I listed some of them. There will be more. And despite the fact that you were obviously completely ignorant of the potential technologies - now all of a sudden you are an expert - and can comment on each one with great eloquence. But what is your point?
says g o

I never claimed to be an 'expert'. You listed some technology and I gave my opinion on them. I had read about those that you listed, so why do you think I was completely ignorant of them when you didn't bother to ask me first if I had any knowledge of them. Yes, there are many possibilities, but do all of them work well enough to be efficient and inexpensive enough that everyone can afford them? Still many unanswered questions.

Jun 04, 2019
Our world is transitioning to renewable energy. Just for example - the UK is closing all of it's coal plants - and should be coal free by 2025 - and running on renewables by 2050. So you asked me for the alternatives
.....so what "alternatives" have you accomplished?

I remember about a year ago you said you'd be installing solar just as soon as you could afford it, that's after ten years of being in this chatroom saying the same thing & still doing nothing. It really sounds like you're more concerned about others doing it than doing it yourself, infamous Al Gore stunt.

Jun 04, 2019
But, as I said earlier, it is science and engineering that provided the means of AGW pollution that you (and others) are accusing aii humans of being guilty of. Early humans had no such technology, but there was still some pollution nevertheless. Mostly from volcanic ash and forest wildfires, I'd imagine.
So STEM has some good and some bad points. But now humans cannot live without STEM as it is too ingrained.

Jun 04, 2019
@green onions

LOL I just noticed that Schneib received 15 plus votes for saying:

Da Schneib
Jun 02, 2019
Butbutbutttheresnoglobulwaruming /s

15
Quote Report Block

That is so weird. Can't tell who they were, but it is laughable.

Jun 05, 2019
So it's OK with you if brown people die of heat.

And it's OK with you if white people in the central US die of floods.

And it's OK with you if people's houses get flooded with sewage.

Great. We'll keep that in mind while we're dealing with you people.

Fine, then it'll be OK if you die hung by your heels drowning in sewage as the tide comes in after the rope gangs find you.

I'll help them.

Assholes.

Jun 05, 2019
@S_E_U.

I think what DS is trying (not so tactfully) to point out is: Karma can be a bitch. In short, if you/others denying/trolling to obfuscate the seriousness of AGW trend/consequences to those whom you don't care about, then when the time comes that those multitudes who had to suffer what could otherwise have been avoided if not for your/others denials/obfuscation which delayed urgent action when it was critical (ie, now), then don't be surprised if those affected whom you didn't care about then turn on you because they don't care about you/others who made a bad situation worse for all concerned. Take heed of DS's (admittedly not so tender) reminder/warning about 'comeuppance' at the hands of those that your/others denials/sabotage and politically/mercenarily motivated 'delay/confuse' campaign affected most adversely. Big Tobacco tried it and was eventually exposed. Don't be part of a similar deceit which cares more about profits than people now/future generations. :)

Jun 05, 2019
I am by no means a master of tact nor have I often made efforts in that direction. I have found that the only thing the assholes believe is force and they'll deny it until they are overwhelmed.

Jun 05, 2019
Having fought (and won) against a software engineer who thought 30-year-old software engineering texts knew more about time than modern astrophysics books, I have seen the power of facts against mythology and the use of force required to beat down the mythologists. She actually cried when it was obvious that she was wrong.

I was conciliatory; it would be dishonorable to be otherwise. She did her best with the best sources she had. It's not her fault they were wrong. But it was a long hard battle. I never expect anything else.

What crushed her was the additional second. Look it up on google. Maybe you'll learn something.

Jun 05, 2019
SEU
so why do you think I was completely ignorant of them
Because you asked
And what are your alternatives to all that tech that served humanity for 200 years?
Which clearly tells us you are not aware of the fact that there are multiple technologies - that are being adopted around the world - and that we are in the process of transitioning to low carbon energy. Perhaps each of these technologies alone will not be sufficient to run out world, but put together - they will (proven by countries that are far along on their journey).
So here is my point. Science is telling us that climate change is real - and will create major problems for future generations. The India heatwave (plus the Australian one last year etc.) represent accumulating evidence that the scientists are getting it right. Idioit deniers who hate science - are blocking our progress on this issue. We have to stand up to you guys.

Jun 05, 2019
Benni
I remember about a year ago...
As usual - man baby wants to make a discussion of science - personal. Good old Trump like tactic. 'I am wrong on the facts - so let me distract with personal attacks.' I am doing what I am doing Benni. We all have to live our own lives - and be responsible for our own decisions. It does not change the facts of the science - if I am 100% off grid - making my own clothes from cotton I grow in my yard etc. Or if I choose a different journey. Not your business. You conservatives love to tear into people personally - cuz the science is clear. Does growing your own food get points for you Benni? How about being a vegan? etc. etc. etc. Not your business. I am here to talk about the science. You can't do that.

Jun 05, 2019
I am here to talk about the science.
.....you are not here talking about science.

You are only here talking about what you want other people to do while exempting yourself from the things you criticize other people for not doing. For example all that bluster you've put up over the years about all these solar panels that you will install to get yourself off the grid & then you never do it but continue the drumbeat that people like me are not doing what you are preaching.

Who was that other guy, gkam or something like that, doing the same thing as you until I did that calculation on his house here in the Comments & pointed out to the chatroom he was still at least 90% on the grid at a time he was claiming he was almost 100% off.

It's people like you & gkam that causes people to be wary of your apocalyptic doomsday claims when your actions belie your claims.

Jun 05, 2019
Whatever @greenos has or hasn't done, you're lying on the Internet about global climate change, @Benni, and that's worse than the worst @greenos could ever do.

You're a lying stinking sack of liquid shit, @Benni.

Jun 05, 2019
Benni
you are not here talking about science
Yes I am.

You are only here talking about what you want other people to do
And what have I told other people to do? recently SEU asked what it is I want - and here is my response
I want to see the human race use it's intelligence to create a world that works for all. A world where everyone has at least a minimum quality of life (water, food, shelter, healthcare etc.) We have the potential - but we are trapped in loops of stupidity - led by idiot deniers like yourself
So what exactly are you accusing me of telling other people to do? And please give one example of an "apocalyptic doomsday claim" - that I have made. As usual - you just make shit up.

Jun 05, 2019
I want to see the human race use it's intelligence to create a world that works for all. A world where everyone has at least a minimum quality of life (water, food, shelter, healthcare etc.) We have the potential - but we are trapped in loops of stupidity
........yeah, sure, we know.........and then you come on here shooting off your mouth about what people ought to do about being green in energy but you do none of it yourself. Don't you think that after you've preached that same sermon about what YOU want people to do & then you NEVER do it yourself, that the congregation you have been preaching has figured out what a phony you are & packed up & left?

So tell us, when are those solar panels going up so you can get off the grid? Just remember that I've already informed you about a year ago that you do not have enough roof area to install enough solar panels to get you off the grid. What you need is a bigger house than that 1/4 acre plantation you live on.

Jun 05, 2019
@Benni.

If we do what is possible on the large scale for renewables/battery etc green energy substitution for coal/oil, then we are well on the way to solving the problem of AGW. It's the delays/sabotage and confusion brought by you/others (as exampled in your above half-cocked 'understandings misfires' and baits/trolls against those who know more than you about the science and solutions required) that is obscuring the problem/solutions. I already pointed out that if we do the necessary on the large scale, then air travel and other lesser scale CO2 emitting activities will be NO problem at all, and easily absorbed/cycled by Earth's system as it did before the Industrial revolution and later escalation of coal/oil burning emissions started us on the problematic AGW trajectory we find ourselves in now.

FYI: on-GROUND installations of solar panels also works; so please stop making ignorance-based baits/insults against those who know the science/subject matter better than you. :)

Jun 05, 2019
Benni
and then you come on here shooting off your mouth about what people ought to do about being green in energy but you do none of it yourself
I asked you to list one thing that I have told people to do - and you can't. Because I have not told any one to do anything. I am excited about renewable energy - and the transition that is happening. I have never told anyone to do anything - other than to be willing to tell the truth.
you do not have enough roof area to install enough solar panels to get you off the grid
What do you know about my roof area? Why are you raising that subject? We are talking about climate change - and the heat wave in India.

Look at you - making really stupid accusations - and when asked to name just one thing that I have told others to do - you can't. Try reading Reality's post above - it is on target.

Jun 05, 2019
Benni, solar panels are not the only green tech to look at. Solar by itself won't get us out of the approaching apocalypse. Today I was reading a very convincing article on the potential for civilizations collapse from global warming by the year 2050. That's a 30-year forward prediction of when mass migrations of people getting away from droughts Heat and unlivable conditions begin to happen. That's an event that is just not apocalyptic but it's going to happen and it's scary. Mass migrations of people trying to escape unsurvivable conditions due to greenhouse gas created global warming are going to create difficult stresses on all the less affected countries. Even St. Petersburg will have many Arabs escaping brutal conditions migrating there.

Jun 05, 2019
What do you know about my roof area?
.....because you told us a year ago. Don't remember huh? Yeah, that was at the same time I got into it with gkam & you came to his rescue announcing it would be five more years before you could get your project off the ground due to cost.

Why are you raising that subject?
......because you keep telling us what WE should do by following your example that you have yet to set. Am I reminded here of your leader Al Gore?

Ok, so update us, how far along is your solar project? Still thinking about it I imagine?

Jun 05, 2019
You should have listened to Al Gore 10 years ago. Just go and listen to and watch all of the suggestions he had in 'An Inconvenient Truth'. Most of the technology exists and there is enough social tech to stop diesel smoke attacks on Teslas when driving down the road following a pickup truck.

Jun 05, 2019
Benni, solar panels are not the only green tech to look at. Solar by itself won't get us out of the approaching apocalypse.I was reading a very convincing article on the potential for civilizations collapse from global warming by the year 2050. That's a 30-year forward prediction of when mass migrations of people getting away from droughts Heat and unlivable conditions begin to happen. That's an event that is just not apocalyptic but it's going to happen and it's scary. Mass migrations of people trying to escape unsurvivable conditions due to greenhouse gas created global warming are going to create difficult stresses on all the less affected countries.


Hard to predict what 4 billion years worth of climate change will bring in the next 30, probably far less than most think, at least that's been the evidence since 1998 the year of the Holy Hockey Stick when Mann said in 20 more years the coastal cities will be under several feet of water, buoy markers have yet to change.

Jun 05, 2019
Benni
because you keep telling us what WE should do by following your example that you have yet to set
No I don't. I keep challenging you to show one example - in which I have told your royal WE what you should do. You can't. So - you are a liar.

On the roof issue - my house is 2,300 square ft. Last 12 months - I used 5,684 Kwh of electricity. Let's say you only use the west slope of the house - that is about 1,500 sq ft. A 230 watt panel is about 18 sq ft - which gives about .08 sq ft per watt. I heat with gas - so let's be real generous - and double the Kwh for the furnace and water tank. That gives you about 11,368 Kwh. Panels run about 20% capacity factor in OK. So 10k of panels would generate 10k x 8760(hours in year) X 20% = 17,520 Kwh in a year. So even using extremely conservative numbers - I would need around 800 sq ft. I have double that. See Benni - you don't know what you are talking about. cont.

Jun 05, 2019
Problem Benni is that Human's didn't have an impact on climate until about 200 years ago, and things have been constant for the past million years or so (in CO2, Methane, and all of the greenhouse gasses). That's far longer than your lifetime or that of your extended family combined and the multiplied by 10.

This is something I don't understand about the position you and several of the climate deniers hold. How can you be so against the welfare of mankind? Are you one of the Russian spin doctors sent in to just make noise and stir trouble?

Jun 05, 2019
This web site will give you calculations that will support the calculations that I just did - and actually show you that I was way conservative - and would in reality not need nearly 800 sq ft. https://www.solar...-produce

Bottom line Benni - you lie, you make shit up, and you and people like SEU are very much part of the problem of obfuscation for the purpose of holding the human race back from making the progress we have the potential to acheive - but cannot acheive - due to being stuck in a massive loop of stupid. Yes Benni - you and shootist, and SEU, and antigoracle - are anti science luddites. History will judge you badly.

Jun 06, 2019
@S_E_U.

I think what DS is trying (not so tactfully) to point out is: Karma can be a bitch. In short, if you/others denying/trolling to obfuscate the seriousness of AGW trend/consequences to those whom you don't care about, then when the time comes that those multitudes who had to suffer what could otherwise have been avoided if not for your/others denials/obfuscation which delayed urgent action when it was critical (ie, now), :)
says RC

Stop sucking up to Schneib by attacking me, RC. You are starting to sound like a 'yes-man'. Where do you get the idea that I am denying that the climate is warming? The climate is ALWAYS warming AND cooling. The cycles of warming and cooling happen over and over and no amount of denying or agreeing is going to change that fact.
I and all others have NO CONTROL over the weather/climate. This planet is on automatic. It is a super-dynamo that obeys Mother Nature where one part of Earth has an effect on another part.

Jun 06, 2019
-contd-
@RC

It doesn't matter if 'we' agree with AGW or not. Neither denying nor agreeing will change even 1 degree of temperature, so what you and Schneib and green onions see as a denial doesn't mean diddly-squat. We are doing our part to help alleviate the situation, but the situation is NOT going to stop just because we are recycling trash and driving Tesla that has to be recharged from the grid which still uses fossil fuels anyway and defeats the purpose of buying an EV.
In essence, RC, you and your cohorts are barking up the wrong tree. We are laughing at your measly and emotional attempts to lower the temps by attacking those of us who KNOW DAMN WELL that if the world heats up, what can we do to STOP that heating up.
Do you really think that the IPCC and their well-paid climate scientists give a damn about you folks and your concerns? THEY are comfortable with their own high tech to stay cool. THEY KNOW that humans are helpless creatures.


Jun 06, 2019
Benni, solar panels are not the only green tech to look at. Solar by itself won't get us out of the approaching apocalypse. Today I was reading a very convincing article on the potential for civilizations collapse from global warming by the year 2050. That's a 30-year forward prediction of when mass migrations of people getting away from droughts Heat and unlivable conditions begin to happen. That's an event that is just not apocalyptic but it's going to happen and it's scary. Mass migrations of people trying to escape unsurvivable conditions due to greenhouse gas created global warming are going to create difficult stresses on all the less affected countries. Even St. Petersburg will have many Arabs escaping brutal conditions migrating there.

says howhot3

Immigration, mostly illegal is happening now in the US for other reasons than AGW. Almost all of Central America and Mexico are pushing their way into the US. Same has been happening in Europe with Muslims.

Jun 06, 2019
Climate cranks always change the subject when they get pw0nZ0rd.

Jun 06, 2019
SEU
Do you really think that the IPCC and their well-paid climate scientists give a damn about you folks and your concerns?
I certainly believe that the scientific community - is a community of smart, dedicated, honest, and yes very concerned folks. I think that they are totally genuine in their concern regarding climate change, and what it means for the future of our planet.
How much we can affect/control the climate is of course a very open question. It is clear that we currently are affecting the climate - and the precautionary principle makes sense to me - that we stop affecting the climate if possible - by switching to a carbon free energy system. This is possible - and we are currently in the early phase of that transition. There are multiple benefits to that transition. Deniers are puposely hindering that transition - much of that is of course about being financially/emotionally invested in a broken sytem - but one that benefits some - at the expense of others.

Jun 06, 2019
"well-paid climate scientists" @SEU is lying again.

Jun 06, 2019
On the roof issue - my house is 2,300 square ft. Last 12 months - I used 5,684 Kwh of electricity. Let's say you only use the west slope of the house - that is about 1,500 sq ft. A 230 watt panel is about 18 sq ft - which gives about .08 sq ft per watt.
......your house is 2300 ft² & just the west slope of the roof is 1500? Is this one or two stories? When was your house built that the 1500 west slope of the roof alone can cover most of that 2300 ft²? An oddly shaped house that just one side of the roof covers 1500/2300= 65%.

Knock off the bullshit & just tell us what the TOTAL roof area is. Sounds more to me like it's 1500 ft², or less if it's a two story house.

In all your bullshit numbers you still haven't told us when these save the planet panels will be installed just so you can have some credibility for doing your part to save the planet, GOOD INTENTIONS are not the same as ACTION. At the time I built the house I live in, it was already more green than yours.

Jun 06, 2019
@Benni is trying to change the subject again.

The cure is not solar panels in a Western nation. It's stopping the Chinese from building more coal plants.

And that's what it's all about.

So, @Benni, are you Chinese? Just askin'.

Jun 06, 2019
Deniers are puposely hindering that transition - much of that is of course about being financially/emotionally invested in a broken sytem - but one that benefits some - at the expense of others.
......."deniers" as a derogatory quip of yours huh? Then why is your house presently way less GREEN than the one I built with my own two hands & way bigger than your 2300 as well?

So here you are greeno, after all these years of running your mouth here in this chatroom giving lectures about being green & you're still doing NONE of it yourself. Following the examples of your greeno leaders like Al Gore.

I ask you again, when are those solar panels going up? Don't like the idea of answering that question do you? You don't answer it because you NEVER PLAN to put them up, you just like to prattle on about your GOOD INTENTIONS so as to think you can fool those of us who know better.

Jun 06, 2019
Then why is your house presently way less GREEN than the one I built with my own two hands
I guess because you live your life, and I live mine. And contrary to your lies - I do not tell other people what to do with their lives. You are just a liar - and that becomes pretty clear when you are asked again and again to justify a lie - and you change the subject.

The measurements I gave you about my house are accurate. It is a single story house - with 2 car garage. Way more than the 800 sq ft. of west facing roof slope to supply enough panels. So you look like a fool - trying to dictate that I would not have enough roof space to go off grid. I would have plenty. But that is just a distraction. Fact is - India is having a heat wave - which supports the model predictions of a warming climate. That is the issue of today's article - and yes - you are a denier.

Jun 06, 2019
"well-paid climate scientists" @SEU is lying again.


A troll must troll (lie for provocation). And he or she is religious (creationist) IIRC, in which case astrology/religion type deluded to boot.

But I am glad that the first couple of comments were on topic before the usual hijack by ill meaning citizens. We have a decade to prevent these deaths to grow much, let us get to it - we are already responsible for too many deaths.

Jun 06, 2019
Deniers are puposely hindering that transition - much of that is of course about being financially/emotionally invested in a broken sytem -
......."deniers" as a derogatory quip of yours huh? Then why is your house presently way less GREEN than the one I built with my own two hands & way bigger than your 2300 as well?

So here you are greeno, after all these years & you're still doing NONE of it yourself. Following the examples of your greeno leaders like Al Gore.

I ask you again, when are those solar panels going up? Don't like the idea of answering that question do you? You don't answer it because you NEVER PLAN to put them up, you just like to prattle on about your GOOD INTENTIONS so as to think you can fool those of us who know better.
says Benni

Even if g o had solar panels on his roof, he would still require a wall of recharged batteries for nighttime use. Either that or still be connected to the grid at night if he doesn't have those batteries.

Jun 06, 2019
For all these Migrant Indians coming to these shores

50 degrees Centigrade is coming to this British Isle
For in these Shires
These recent years are years of records to be broken
For this past year hit 40 Centigrade
For this year of our lord hit 20 Centigrade in the middle of February
In not so many weeks hit 25 Centigrade
For not the other day the glass rose to 33 Centigrade
That is 7 degrees shy of last year's record 40 Centitgrade
These temperatures are not as persistent as last year hence
The record of 2018 looks safe
This 40 degrees in theses Shires looks not to be broken
But we must never give up hope
To get 40 degrees in this desert of East Anglia is there to be broken
For in India this 50 degree Centigrade record
Never in a million years would it be spoken
This 40 degree shire record could be broken with 50 degrees
In this British Isle

Jun 06, 2019
How about India, racist @SEU?

Maybe you forgot that's what the article is about.


LOL I love ALL races and ethnic groups. As I said before, I have no problem with race as YOU do.


>Egg........race is always the argument of last resort when the positer realizes he/she has already lost the basis of the original argument.
says Benni

Accusations of racial hatred, misogyny, ethnic intolerance, homophobia, and many other kinds of phobia and/or intolerance are a favourite ploy of Socialists. Such accusations are for the purpose of intimidation and embarrassment of the accused even when unwarranted.
Schneib is a Socialist, as well as Torbjorn (Swedes are known for Socialism), as are green onions, rrwillsj, antialias, and several others who are hate mongers of Free Enterprise, Market Capitalism and Nationalism. There is a 'science' to such accusations of which Socialists are well aware. Socialism has been taught and expounded on by public school teachers.

Jun 06, 2019
Way more than the 800 sq ft. of west facing roof slope to supply enough panels.
......ok, you think so.

The question you still won't answer is when are those panels going in? You've been here for years prattling on about your GOOD INTENTIONS, stop talking & writing and start DOING.

Jun 06, 2019
hate mongers of Free Enterprise, Market Capitalism and Nationalism.
......it's the system of economics that has given rise to the highest living standards wherever it is practiced. It bankrupted the Soviet Union, the largest Communist system ever conceived, and that's what the "hate mongers" hate about the U.S. & it's history, we correct our wrongs &learn from them, socialist systems don't & that's why the world ends up with oil rich slums like Venezuela.

Jun 06, 2019
-contd-
@Benni

For many decades, Socialism has been taught in American schools and Universities to depose the normal Free Enterprise, Free Market Capitalism and Nationalism/pride in one's nation and to suppress them by encouraging such things as Free College education; a paid income whether working or not; forced removal of religion and its values; absolute conformity to the new Socialist Thought and Ideals; policing of social media for comments disapproved by Socialist science. And many others. In this Socialist scenario, there will be less and less freedom allowed and the young generations will applaud/approve of it. They will continue to be educated in Socialist values and will expect their elders to conform also. A Brave New World is coming, Benni and we cannot stop it. But when that Socialist world becomes fully communist, you will hear a lot of howling in anger and resentment from those who had fallen for Socialism and welcomed it.
Isn't that right, Schneib?

Jun 06, 2019
says Benni

Even if g o had solar panels on his roof, he would still require a wall of recharged batteries for nighttime use. Either that or still be connected to the grid at night if he doesn't have those batteries.
.....I pointed all this stuff out to him & even gave him & gkam the REAL cost for all his GOOD INTENTIONS, then I contrasted that with the cost he's paying for electrical energy off the grid, t was stark to say the least, that there would be no payback for him in his lifetime......now you know why he won't tell us what his schedule is for getting those panels installed.

The total costs I tabulated for him & gkam was around $25k as I remember ( gotta remember to pay the guys for their labor). 25000/130 average US electric bill=192 months payback rate, 16 years. Then there will be maintenance costs, tack on a couple more thousand for that. Then there are the financing costs on the home equity loan which will be ?.

Jun 06, 2019
In These Shires

For as you talk of Communists, Socialists
These texts flow while I am watching horse jumping, the National Cup
For in these Shires
These strange ideologies
Do not exist
Along the tree lined hedges
The crops ripening in the fields
The holy hocks flowering in these Cottage gardens
These Shires inhabit this normal world, SEU and Benni
As this is where they have stayed these thousand years

Jun 06, 2019
In These Shires

For as you talk of Communists, Socialists
These texts flow while I am watching horse jumping, the National Cup
For in these Shires
These strange ideologies
Do not exist
Along the tree lined hedges
The crops ripening in the fields
The holy hocks flowering in these Cottage gardens
These Shires inhabit this normal world, SEU and Benni
As this is where they have stayed these thousand years


You're describing my living standard & the country hillside acreage I live on. With my own two hands I built the place I live in, it's a way different house than what Greeno described as being his, but I'm a different kind of person, I don't look for handouts or good luck.

When I was 10 years old I told myself that I was gonna build the house I live out my life in, no suburban America for me, that was for my parents when I was growing up.

Jun 06, 2019
The truth is that the people of southern India and Bangladesh are used to such hot weather. But what it is that they are NOT used to is Drought - a lack of water for drinking and bathing. Some might travel to bathe in the Ganges and drink its water and get sick. But it's not the heat - they need hydration to cool internally and sweat, which promotes cooling. Unless these Indians are working outdoors, there is no reason for them to sit out under the hot sun. There is also a method of cooling the indoors by the use of large "cut and trimmed" plastic soda bottles in a window to bring a flow of cooled air indoors. There are ways to alleviate the problem.
Bath water can be used for watering the vegetable gardens. Humans can adapt to situations if they are willing.

Jun 06, 2019
@S_E_U.
Stop sucking up to Schneib by attacking me, RC. You are starting to sound like a 'yes-man'.
Just being strictly impartial, independent, objective researcher and commenter on all subjects I post on, regardless of which person or 'side' I happen to agree/disagree with. Please read my fuller response to you re your similar assertion in thread:

https://phys.org/...ark.html

Where do you get the idea that I am denying that the climate is warming? The climate is ALWAYS warming AND cooling. The cycles of warming and cooling happen over and over and no amount of denying or agreeing is going to change that fact.
No. You are denying that human activity caused increased CO2 adds to greenhouse gas effect.

I and all others have NO CONTROL over the weather/climate. This planet is on automatic....
We've been adversely affecting LOTS of 'natural' systems/balances since Industrial Revolution, mate. Read more widely. :)

Jun 06, 2019
In These Shires

For as you talk of Communists, Socialists
These texts flow while I am watching horse jumping, the National Cup
For in these Shires
These strange ideologies
Do not exist
Along the tree lined hedges
The crops ripening in the fields
The holy hocks flowering in these Cottage gardens
These Shires inhabit this normal world, SEU and Benni
As this is where they have stayed these thousand years
says granville

Tis a far cry from the haste and the buskers of dear old London. The Shires that you speak of are a whole world away from the modernist society.
Are you aware that the original Witches of England and Europe were actually transmuted Angels who had been naughty and were condemned to an existence on Earth for their misbehaviour? Humans were in awe of them due to certain of their powers which were then called "Magick". They were the Alchemists of old, and it was they who encouraged Science and Discovery.

Jun 06, 2019
With these record temperatures in India
One would have thought
All these photons
Would generate electricity
As there is plenty of cheap labour
What with all these manipulating Socialists
In it for a quick rupee for themselves
There is just one niggling thought
These Socialists have over looked
It is so hot in India
All that environmentally friendly heat is going to produce cool refreshing refrigerated air
As
Only the English go out in the midday sun

p.s. these down trodden masses, these Indians working on less than nothing wages
working in unbearable conditions
going home in abject poverty
unable to rub two rupees together
to turn the heat of photons into refrigerated air
Its enough to make these sun drenched Indians move to the North Pole

The wind chill alone, is a cool -60 degrees on its own

Jun 06, 2019
SEU and Benni liar
Even if g o had solar panels on his roof, he would still require a wall of recharged batteries for nighttime use.
And what is your point? What does this have to do with the reality of climate change - and a heat wave in India? None of your made up shit - justifies this lie
you do not have enough roof area to install enough solar panels to get you off the grid.
That is a straight quote from you Benni liar. And it is a lie. It shows you do not know what you are talking about. But despite clear evidence that you are a liar - you just keep right on telling lies. Strange pathology that one.

Jun 06, 2019
For in this land a long time ago
The majority of the population lived in villages
Working on the farms

And Humans were in awe of them
Due to certain of their powers
Which were then called "Magick"
For they were the Alchemists of old
And so it was they who encouraged Science and Discovery.

And did forth come from these witchcraft Shires
The modern scientists from the alchemists of old
For in the Abby of St Edmunds
The monks worked their skill
In mixing healing potions from the science of plants
As monks were learned souls doing good work in St Edmunds Bury

Jun 06, 2019
@RC

I and all others have NO CONTROL over the weather/climate. This planet is on automatic....
We've been adversely affecting LOTS of 'natural' systems/balances since Industrial Revolution, mate'
says RC

Adversely affected by Fossil Fuels, eh? And yet, it was and is those same fossilised coal, gases and petrols that have given humans their creature comforts and helped to bring them out of the 'iron age' and into the 'nuclear and space age'.

Neither denying nor agreeing does us any good wrt AGW. China is still polluting the air; Africa is still burning wood for fuel; forest fires in places like California; facilities generating electricity are still using coal,, patrol or gas for the grid. I am but a mere scholar and an interested observer and I don't wish to get beaten half to death by flying to Africa to tell them to quit burning wood; or arrested in China for telling them that they are doing wrong.
What YOU and greeno need to do is to convince scientists

Jun 06, 2019
@RC

Convince scientists/engineers (not climate scientists) to build the structures that don't run on fossil fuels ASAP. You and the others are wasting your time arguing the semantics of global warming with us. DO something if you're that worried.

Jun 06, 2019
And what is your point? What does this have to do with the reality of climate change
....because it's about you & your obnoxious mouth giving lectures to people about things YOU NEVER DO yourself. I don't care one whit about climate change in India, but if you want to care about it so much then use that $25k you'll need to put out for all those solar panels & send it to India so that someone you percieve as being in more dire circumstances than yourself can be the beneficiary. Deal?

Jun 06, 2019
For in this land a long time ago
The majority of the population lived in villages
Working on the farms

And Humans were in awe of them
Due to certain of their powers
Which were then called "Magick"
For they were the Alchemists of old
And so it was they who encouraged Science and Discovery.

And did forth come from these witchcraft Shires
The modern scientists from the alchemists of old
For in the Abby of St Edmunds
The monks worked their skill
In mixing healing potions from the science of plants
As monks were learned souls doing good work in St Edmunds Bury
says granville

Yes. They were the new scientists long before anyone had heard the word, "science". These men of the cloth had learnt their vocation from those Earth-bound Ones who knew of many things and whose aim was to 'teach' the secrets to better mankind. There were some women who gravitated to the "arts", but most were men of the cloth who remained unmarried and dedicated to their vocation.

Jun 06, 2019
RealityCheck versus Surveillance_Egg_Unit
RC versus SEU
At times
Your roles intermingle
In the things that hide under rocks
That hide in plain sight
That are only perceived
to exist
As this is where these two roles differ
These two roles separate
For on side it separates into our spiritualism
whereas RCs side into the evil within under foot
As this RC versus SEU is where your two roles are linked
SEU and RC both deal with these monsters under foot
These ghostly monsters
That SEU hath kept these monsters at bay
Where as
RC hath let his imagination wonder too much to what he thinks exist
But does not in fact exist
Though to be fair to RC of late
RC has not required the meditation of his bridge of late
So there we have it
Are new Cox and Box RC and SEU
More than two ships that pass in the night
As RC from those lazy-hazy days when only monsters existed under rocks
To this year of our Lord this June 2019
For this day RC&SEU these monster are forever dwindling underfoot

Jun 06, 2019
For in the Abby of St Edmunds

To this very day
The monastic monastery gardeners
Plant and tend these Abby gardens
For bury St Edmunds gardens
Simply Bury gardens within these ancient ruin walls these gardens still exist
As they all ways have
For Bury St Edmunds cathedral still exist fully restored
Among the old canon ball strewn Abby of old
Through the still standing Great Abby Gates

Jun 06, 2019
RealityCheck versus Surveillance_Egg_Unit
RC versus SEU
At times
Your roles intermingle
In the things that hide under rocks
That hide in plain sight
That are only perceived
to exist
As this is where these two roles differ
These two roles separate
For on side it separates into our spiritualism
whereas RCs side into the evil within under foot
As this RC versus SEU is where your two roles are linked
SEU and RC both deal with these monsters under foot
These ghostly monsters
That SEU hath kept these monsters at bay

RC hath let his imagination wonder too much to what he thinks exist
But does not in fact exist

So there we have it
Are new Cox and Box RC and SEU

More than two ships that pass in the night
As RC from those lazy-hazy days when only monsters existed under rocks
To this year of our Lord this June 6, 2019
For this day RC&SEU these monster are forever dwindling underfoot
says granville

It is now RC's Penelope, not mine. I lay no claim to it.

Jun 06, 2019
No one else can see these monsters

There is evil work underfoot
That I know not of
That this magic is winkling out from underfoot
That what it is not need been known
As it need only be another monster under yet another stone
For RC hath shown
If you truly believe
Under every stone
A monster exists
This monster truly exists
Even though in all reality
No monster actually exist
Because
This monster was created in your imagination
For if you truly believe
Then your imagination is truly real
But
Be warned
No one else can see these monsters

Jun 06, 2019
No one else can see these monsters
......ghosty1923.

Jun 06, 2019
Benni
...because it's about you & your obnoxious mouth giving lectures to people about things YOU NEVER DO yourself
Well - for me it is about the science. Today's article is about a heat wave in India. Not about if one individual has solar panels on their roof. Like I say - you make lots of accusations - but when asked to provide evidence of those accusations - you just change the subject. Your accusations are lies. I have not lectured people about what to do with their lives - I just defend science - cuz I think it is our best hope of collectively responding to the current situation. So go ahead and lie all you want Benni - it does not change the science.

Jun 06, 2019
Benni
I don't care one whit about climate change in India
So I am guessing you are a Republican. It is good to see the mask come off anyway.

Jun 06, 2019
Immigration, mostly illegal is happening now in the US for other reasons than AGW. Almost all of Central America and Mexico are pushing their way into the US. Same has been happening in Europe with Muslims.

Desperation and nothing left to lose. Just change shoes and what would you do?

Jun 07, 2019
Just change shoes and what would you do?
Not a thought that even enters their head howhot. Just look at this statement - and let it sink in for a minute.
I don't care one whit about climate change in India
Interesting point here - Benni attacks me - saying that I tell run my mouth - and tell other people how to live their lives. I don't see that I do that - and that I leave it totally up to others - in terms of how they individually respond to the reality of the science. What I do lecture about - is the underlying approach. In other words - do we 'care' about the suffering of others. The specifics of how to show that caring, are not the point. But the willingness to care - are the point. Maybe that confuses a narcissist. Perhaps they can't even understand the idea - of putting yourself in someone else's shoes - and actually caring.

Jun 07, 2019
I don't care one whit about climate change in India
So I am guessing you are a Republican. It is good to see the mask come off anyway.
....... for sure your "mask" is off, powers of government taking someone else's money & giving it to people unwilling to work to raise their standards of living, like they do in that oil rich slum called Venezuela.
I just defend science - cuz I think it is our best hope of collectively responding to the current situation.
......so, implement some & get those solar panels installed instead of continuing to talk about it.

I'm a Constitutionalist. Yeah, a believer that the U.S. Constitution is the greatest & single most anti-anarchist document ever written since man took his first step on planet Earth. I don't care about ANY other kind of governing philosophy because all of them have already been tried & the end results are always TYRANNY, I'll go with what has proven to work.

Jun 07, 2019
@Benni doesn't care about anything but its own self-aggrandizement. Otherwise it wouldn't brag about being able to solve differential equations when it can't.

∂²Ψ/∂x² + ∂²Ψ/∂y² + ∂²Ψ/∂z² = ?

Jun 07, 2019
Benni
for sure your "mask" is off, powers of government taking someone else's money ...
More distraction and strawmen. Just distracts from the reality that you say stupid shit - like
you do not have enough roof area to install enough solar panels to get you off the grid
So you spout lies - and then when those lies are pointed out - you just keep on distracting - with more layers of rubbish.

Jun 07, 2019
@S_E_U.
@RC, I and all others have NO CONTROL over the weather/climate. This planet is on automatic..
We've been adversely affecting LOTS of 'natural' systems/balances since Industrial Revolution, mate.
...And yet, it was and is those same fossilised coal, gases and petrols that have given humans their creature comforts and helped to bring them out of the 'iron age' and into the 'nuclear and space age'.
Before the Industrial Revolution and vast extraction/burning of previously naturally sequestered Coal/Oil, it was Slave/Horse power that underpinned many countries/tyrannies.

See, @S_E_U...by your above logic, you would have resisted abolishing Slavery and preferred to retain industrial scale exploitation/maltreatment of slaves/horses despite coal/oil power/engines being available.

So now Renewables Era power/engines are available, it is intelligent and pragmatic to move away from (now problematic due to CO2) coal/oil based energy/engine tech/power. :)

Jun 07, 2019
@Benni doesn't care about anything but its own self-aggrandizement. Otherwise it wouldn't brag about being able to solve differential equations when it can't.

∂²Ψ/∂x² + ∂²Ψ/∂y² + ∂²Ψ/∂z² = ?


I am about to make you look bad Bennie-Skippy.

− [(px²py²+pz²)/h²]ψ

Jun 07, 2019
@S_E_U.
China is still polluting the air; Africa is still burning wood for fuel; forest fires in places like California; facilities generating electricity are still using coal,, patrol or gas for the grid.
You miss the whole point of acting in our OWN best interests by converting to mostly renewables, mate. It's safer, cheaper, cleaner and indefinitely sustainable without destroying/polluting our water/air which sustains us. Once we demonstrate that it is possible/preferable to coal/oil dependent economy, then it will be a doddle to convince the rest of the developing world, especially if we assist them with the tech and financing to ease the transition to renewables from which the whole world will benefit by avoiding 'tipping point' greenhouse effect disaster brought about by increased CO2. That is why the confusion/delay/sabotage campaigns from GOP politicians and their fellow criminal 'fossil/political mafias' in Russia, China and other geo-political players is so EVIL.

Jun 07, 2019
@S_E_U.
@granville...Yes. They were the new scientists long before anyone had heard the word, "science". These men of the cloth had learnt their vocation from those Earth-bound Ones who knew of many things and whose aim was to 'teach' the secrets to better mankind. There were some women who gravitated to the "arts", but most were men of the cloth who remained unmarried and dedicated to their vocation.
FYI, mate, there were great mathematicians and scientists long before Christianity/Muslim Religions came along. And when those religions DID arise they became THE STATE INSTITUTIONS to which EVERYONE had to bow or be jailed; or, if a term of imprisonment wasn't persuasive enough, tortured and burnt as a heretic (just ask Galileo Galilei, Giordano Bruno and any one of the numerous victims of the Inquisition). In any case, any person wanting an education or a living from study etc HAD to approach and be approved by the church-state who controlled/allocated resources. Ok? :)

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