Dark matter may be hitting the right note in small galaxies

Dark matter may be hitting the right note in small galaxies
Astronomers observed that the dark matter does not seem to clump very much in small galaxies, but their density peaks sharply in bigger systems such as clusters of galaxies. It has been a puzzle why different systems behave differently. Credit: Kavli IPMU - Kavli IPMU modified this figure based on the image credited by NASA, STScI

Dark matter particles may scatter against each other only when they hit the right energy, say researchers in Japan, Germany, and Austria in a new study. Their idea helps explain why galaxies from the smallest to the biggest have the shapes they do.

Dark is a mysterious and unknown form of matter that comprises more than 80 percent of matter in the universe today. Its nature is unknown, but physicists believe its gravity is responsible for forming stars and galaxies, which led to our existence.

"Dark matter is actually our mom, who gave birth to all of us. But we haven't met her; somehow, we got separated at birth. Who is she? That is the question we want to know," says paper author Hitoshi Murayama, a University of California Berkeley Professor and Kavli Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe principal investigator.

Astronomers have already found that dark matter does not seem to clump together as much as computer simulations suggest. If gravity is the only force that drives dark matter, only pulling and never pushing, then dark matter should become very dense toward the centers of galaxies. However, especially in small faint galaxies called dwarf spheroidals, dark matter does not seem to become as dense as expected toward galactic centers.

Dark matter may be hitting the right note in small galaxies
When two dark matter particles approach each other, then tend to simply pass each other. Credit: Kavli IPMU

This puzzle could be solved if dark matter scatters against itself like billiard balls, allowing particles to spread out more evenly after a collision. But one problem with this idea is that dark matter does seem to clump in bigger systems such as clusters of galaxies. What makes dark matter behave differently between dwarf spheroidals and clusters of galaxies? An international team of researchers has developed an explanation that could solve this riddle, and reveal what dark matter is.

"If dark matter scatters with each other only at a low but very special speed, it can happen often in dwarf spheroidals, where it is moving slowly, but it is rare in clusters of galaxies where it is moving fast. It needs to hit a resonance," says Chinese physicist Xiaoyong Chu, a postdoctoral researcher at the Austrian Academy of Sciences.

Resonance is a common phenomenon—swirling wine in a glass to expose it to oxygen and produce more aroma requires circling the glass at exactly the right speed. Old analog radios must be tuned to the right frequency. These are examples of resonance, and the team suspects that resonance may explain this dark matter puzzle.

Dark matter may be hitting the right note in small galaxies
But when they come at a special speed, they 'resonate' and stick with each other for a brief moment, and move out to different directions afterwards, causing them to scatter. This way, dark matter can spread out so that we can understand smooth profile in small galaxies. Credit: Kavli IPMU

"As far as we know, this is the simplest explanation to the puzzle. We are excited because we may know what dark matter is sometime soon," says Murayama.

However, the team was not convinced that such a simple idea would explain the data correctly. "First, we were a bit skeptical that this idea will explain the observational data; but once we tried it, it worked like a charm," says Colombian scientist Camilo Garcia Cely, a postdoctoral researcher at the Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron (DESY) in Germany.

Dark matter may be hitting the right note in small galaxies
Using the idea of resonance, the plot demonstrates that we can explain all systems at the same time. Credit: Xiaoyong Chu, Camilo Garcia Cely, Hitoshi Murayama

The team believes it is no accident that dark matter can hit the exact right note. "There are many other systems in nature that show similar accidents: in stars, hit a resonance of beryllium, which in turn hits a of carbon, producing the building blocks that gave rise to life on Earth. A similar process happens for a subatomic particle called phi," says Garcia Cely.

"It may also be a sign that our world has more dimensions than we see. If a particle moves in , it has energy. For humans, who don't see the extra dimension, we think the energy is actually mass, thanks to Einstein's E=mc2. Perhaps some particle moves twice as fast in extra dimension, making its mass precisely twice as much as the mass of dark matter," says Chu.

The team's next step will be to find observational data that backs their theory. "If this is true, future and more detailed observations of different will reveal that scattering of does, indeed, depend on its speed," says Murayama, who is also leading a separate international group that intends to conduct such research using the Prime Focus Spectrograph, now under construction. The US$80 million instrument will be mounted on the Subaru telescope atop Mauna Kea on Big Island, Hawaii, and will be capable of measuring the speeds of thousands of stars in dwarf spheroidals.

The team's paper was published online on 22 February by Physical Review Letters.


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More information: Xiaoyong Chu et al. Velocity Dependence from Resonant Self-Interacting Dark Matter, Physical Review Letters (2019). DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.122.071103
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Feb 28, 2019
Dark matter is a supersolid that fills 'empty' space, strongly interacts with ordinary matter and is displaced by ordinary matter. What is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the supersolid dark matter. The state of displacement of the supersolid dark matter is gravity.

The supersolid dark matter displaced by a galaxy pushes back, causing the stars in the outer arms of the galaxy to orbit the galactic center at the rate in which they do.

Displaced supersolid dark matter is curved spacetime.

In the Bullet Cluster collision the dark matter has not separated from the ordinary matter. The collision is analogous to two boats that collide, the boats slow down and their bow waves continue to propagate. The water has not separated from the boats, the bow waves have. In the Bullet Cluster collision the galaxy's dark matter displacement waves have separated from the colliding galaxies, causing the light to lense

Feb 28, 2019
When are they going to start or develop a more promising theory? For me, the very name was a dead end to the concept.

For me, using electromagnetic waves to determine the state of cosmological events requires knowledge of initial states in order to compensate for the dynamic nature of space time being modified by the consolidation of matter in clusters. Another words, the information coming out of a cluster will dynamically change as matter consolidates due to space time being modified by gravity. Why is not astronomy community not looking at this dynamically?

Feb 28, 2019
I am curious bob & ev, why post your findings to a pop-science forum? Seems rather pointless to me. Cause all everyone commenting will want to do is argue with you.

Which says nothing about the improbable quality & realistic value of your hypothesis.
Hell, you might even have a good idea or two there in your hypothesis.
& no pigs will have to die, trying to learn how to fly!

Even if, either or both of you managed to convince all the rest of us readers of your speculations? It wouldn't matter worth a damn, as none of us are in a position to be considered an authority.

You each need to make the effort to seek out those with the knowledge to judge your work & have the authority to support your effort being reviewed & published.

{t is not enough to claim that the Uranus Conspiracy is saboting public acknowledgement of your genius.
A working prototype of a device based on your theories, would go a long-way towards attracting the accolades & wealth you crave.

Feb 28, 2019
I am curious bob & ev, why ....


You are correct, we are all arm chair scientists and also correct that this is not the channel for proper science. Bit it is a convenient place to read a variety of science articles and throw in a comment once in a while. And I never say anything in ill will and dont have any interest in engaging in arguments with people.

At the end of the day, we all have pit stops on the internet, and this is one for me.

Feb 28, 2019
ph dear doggerel, evropej. dontcha know? On this site,
"... never say anything in ill will and dont have any interest in engaging in arguments ..."

Thems theres fighting words, pardner!
"Duck! Yah gotta watch out for flying chairs."

Butt then, I am a satirists & take grievous pleasure in disconfounding the pompous egos of the wooloons & other vermin.

& there it is, for as little as it is valued.

Feb 28, 2019
Well now, they certainly appear to be desperately pushing this 'Dark Matter' unicorn farts theory as though it were real - where the photos only show that clouds of dust and gas surround each galaxy. That is - were it not for all of those clouds of gas and dust surrounding galaxies - there might not be Star formation at all. The dust and gas is what Stars coalesce and form from/out of, and without all of the clouds of dust and gas, what would Stars consume? Ahhh, unicorn farts, of course.

Feb 28, 2019
That was a complicated and seemingly finetuned model. Many and mundane models have been proposed [ https://en.wikipe..._problem ].

One recent, simple (likely) is non-interacting dark matter heating from star formation cores lowering the gravitational potential: "When stars form, strong winds can push gas and dust away from the heart of the galaxy. As a result, the galaxy's centre has less mass, which affects how much gravity is felt by the remaining dark matter. With less gravitational attraction, the dark matter gains energy and migrates away from the centre, an effect called 'dark matter heating'. ... The dark matter at the centres of the star-forming dwarfs appears to have been 'heated up' and pushed out." [ https://phys.org/...ark.html ]

On the discussion with crackpots: a press release channel is not actually a "pop-science forum", there are dedicated phys org discussion threads for that. And of course crackpottery is harmful!

Feb 28, 2019
Seems rather pointless to me. Cause all everyone commenting will want to do is argue with you.
.......well then, how about you set the example & stop posting you're STOP POSTING signs? About all you do is complain about the fact that people come here & COMMENT with their posts & this not being the right forum for that.

Tell us, when is the last time you produced a link to a picture of a black hole? Or the last time you produced a link to some scientist swirling a test tube full of dark matter before a camera? Right, never, so why don't you be the one to just shut up?

Ever noticed that Benni has NEVER insisted that anybody here EVER shut up for ANY reason? It's because the entertainment factor you provide is priceless, you know like your claims for the existence of infinite gravity on a finite body of mass called a BH that you can't produce pictures of.

Feb 28, 2019
"Dark matter is a mysterious and unknown form of matter that comprises more than 80 percent of matter in the universe today. Its nature is unknown, but physicists believe its gravity is responsible for forming stars and galaxies, which led to our existence.
"Dark matter is actually our mom, who gave birth to all of us. But we haven't met her; somehow, we got separated at birth. Who is she? That is the question we want to know,""


WHY do these scientists/researchers embarrass theirselves with these tall tales that are real ONLY in their obviously duped and discombobulated minds? It is also embarrassing to read such cow fluff and know that it is these physicists whom we depend on to pass on to us, the public, the Truthful information that is validatable evidence - not horse whoops.
"Physicists believe"? Totally wrong. Physicists are supposed to KNOW, otherwise they are believers in a religious cult. Similar to their "beliefs" in Black Holes without truthful images

Feb 28, 2019
The answer lies in scalar accretive properties of - gravity...
(not necessarily just the mass)

Feb 28, 2019
The answer lies in scalar accretive properties of - gravity...
(not necessarily just the mass)
.......elaborate on how gravity can accumulate mass in the absence of mass that must be present for gravity to have this "accretive property" in the first place?


Feb 28, 2019
it must be this winter summer that has shone some heat on this frigid earth

There is a quiescence to these boards of late
a kind of peace and quiet
that at any moment
there is this uneasy feeling this quiescence is to be prematurely shattered
but
as they say
while the sun shineth
take every golden shaft as though it is to be the last
so
to this digital world
where art and photography meet
becuase
in Castle Fine Art where the lions roam in The Lion Yard
artists have long since merged photography and art
that
so it seem that abstract science, abstraction Astronomy
is
seemingly increasingly difficult
to tell deep field view
and
digitally artistically doctored deep field views
that
requires the artistic handwork of artistic artistes
these digital photographs appear to be artistic interpretations
this why astronomers use positive prints
in black and white
where
The stars are black against a white background

Feb 28, 2019
The answer lies in scalar accretive properties of - gravity...
(not necessarily just the mass)
says Whyde

Are you saying "Dark Matter' is hiding within gravity? Doubt it. Gravity is a 'weak' Force
which depends on the availability/presence/closeness of Mass for it to produce its gravitational pull on that Mass. The closer the Mass, the stronger is the pull of gravity. Which is why the Sun has the biggest gravitational pull on planets in the Solar System because of its size/Mass. Notice that "Dark Matter" is nowhere to be found within OR without the Solar System. If DM were real, then it would be there right next to you near the space you occupy. It would be accreting and becoming visible as it grows in LEO. Where is it?

http://atropos.as...tem.html

Plain old Matter (dust and gas).

Feb 28, 2019
Recently two papers have been published. The first one deals with the measurement of the speed of rotation of galaxies and, in our view, closes the issue of the existence of dark matter. The second one argues that the expansion of the universe is not accelerating. However, this fact does not answer the question as to what in general is the cause of the universe's expansion and does not address the widespread opinion that 70% of the universe consists of dark energy.
https://www.acade...k_Energy

Feb 28, 2019
We are privileged to watch as the physics community grapples with a vastly important astronomical phenomenon that everyone still knows very little about. It's as though we were witnessing another Copernican period in the history of science.

Feb 28, 2019
What is the energy unit for faerie dust, also known as dark matter?

Feb 28, 2019
The answer lies in scalar accretive properties of - gravity...
(not necessarily just the mass)
.......elaborate on how gravity can accumulate mass in the absence of mass that must be present for gravity to have this "accretive property" in the first place?

Gravity doesn't 'accumulate' mass. It expresses itself differently on different scales of volume and relative speed of motion. We've only actually tested and measured it "locally" Our solar system for example). All grander predictions are maths based on our local observations.
"Dark matter" of an exotic nature has not been found or even described accurately, just it's effect. Ergo, not there.
Therefore it's time to re-visit those assumptions and see where there might be hidden variables.

Feb 28, 2019
What is the energy unit for faerie dust, also known as dark matter?


"schneibos"

Feb 28, 2019
The answer lies in scalar accretive properties of - gravity...
(not necessarily just the mass)
......elaborate on how gravity can accumulate mass in the absence of mass that must be present for gravity to have this "accretive property" in the first place?


Gravity doesn't 'accumulate' mass. It expresses itself differently on different scales of volume and relative speed of motion. We've only actually tested and measured it "locally" Our solar system for example). All grander predictions are maths based on our local observations.
"Dark matter" of an exotic nature has not been found or even described accurately, just it's effect. Ergo, not there.
Therefore it's time to re-visit those assumptions and see where there might be hidden variables.


Well taken, don't know what it was you said & I doubt that you do.

Feb 28, 2019
The answer lies in scalar accretive properties of - gravity...
(not necessarily just the mass)
......elaborate on how gravity can accumulate mass in the absence of mass that must be present for gravity to have this "accretive property" in the first place?


Gravity doesn't 'accumulate' mass. It expresses itself differently on different scales of volume and relative speed of motion.
...
Therefore it's time to re-visit those assumptions and see where there might be hidden variables.


Well taken, don't know what it was you said & I doubt that you do.

I know what I said, just not how to accomplish.
And let's call it accumulation vs accretion. The Universe only adds...

Feb 28, 2019
Discussion of this interesting paper has now officially been turned into another "there is no dark matter" trainwreck thread. The main cause of this, as it is usually, is @Benni lying about what people said.

No one claims we know for sure dark matter is particles, much less what kind; but we know there is something there, because we can see it acting but we can't see anything that accounts for the action. It may be particles; it may be a flaw under extreme conditions in relativity; it may be something else we haven't thought of yet. But to deny the effects is not to deny theory; it's to deny evidence, and the evidence is comprehensive and compelling. That you are innumerate and incapable of understanding this evidence is only proof of your inadequacy to discuss the matter, thus the trolling and the trainwreck.

Feb 28, 2019
What causes a faerie dust particle, er, eh, dark matter particle to vibrate?

Feb 28, 2019
No one has said here that dark matter is particles.

You are just lying, @cantthink. Just like @Benni. This kind of dishonesty does nothing for your credibility and everyone can see it.

If you claim that someone has said "dark matter is particles," quote it and link it so we can all see.

Like most trolls, of course, you won't.

Feb 28, 2019
And let's call it accumulation vs accretion. The Universe only adds...
.....what?

Feb 28, 2019
"Dark matter particles may scatter against each other only when they hit the right energy, say researchers in Japan, Germany, and Austria in a new study."

If you claim that someone has said "dark matter is particles," quote it and link it so we can all see.


No need to even link it, it's the first paragraph of the article......but I guess you didn't read it did you?

Feb 28, 2019
Still waiting for you to support your claims that people asserted singularities and particle dark matter, @Benni.

Sorry, @Benni, the word "may" in your quote proves you're just a troll.

That you cannot provide evidence better than "may" proves you're lying. You're a troll.

Feb 28, 2019
@Benni and Whyde

Here is another example of science searching for cow fluff in the cosmos, as well as in boreholes.
Operation Desperation:

https://www.abc.n...10845884

Feb 28, 2019
And still no evidence anyone here has ever asserted singularities or particle dark matter.

Still lying, still trolling.

The more you lie and troll, the worse your cred gets and the lower your ratings go.

Feb 28, 2019
If it isn't a particle, how does it resonate? And how does a particle (or otherwise) resonate when the only force it experiences is in one vector?

And BTW, the idea of DM being a particle is the basis of this "interesting paper".

Feb 28, 2019
And still no evidence anyone here has ever asserted singularities or particle dark matter.

Still lying, still trolling.

The more you lie and troll, the worse your cred gets and the lower your ratings go.

Read more at: https://phys.org/...html#jCp

Feb 28, 2019
If it isn't a particle, how does it resonate? And how does a particle (or otherwise) resonate when the only force it experiences is in one vector?

And BTW, the idea of DM being a particle is the basis of this "interesting paper".
says CD85

It doesn't because it doesn't exist, CD. DM is a made-up story full of holes, which is why they can't find it. They needed something to explain why there is much more Space than there is Matter/Mass. The Space is said to be expanding but the amount of Mass stays the same. This is because all of the Mass that was ever created is still there, where some of it is in the form of Energy. Remember - Matter/Energy are interchangeable - back and forth. If it isn't in one form, it's in the other. Matter/Energy cannot be destroyed. So while Space is expanding/stretching, they are thinking that there has to be more Matter that can be seen somewhere by some means.
They are deluded.

Feb 28, 2019
@SRU lies again too.

When will you ever learn that lying about science makes you look bad?

They needed something to explain why there is much more Space than there is Matter/Mass.
Direct lie. Extraordinary claim with no evidence at all.

Feb 28, 2019
Putting Da Schniebo aka Da Pussy on ignore. I suggest everyone should do the same.

Feb 28, 2019
So a 1 vote now means you have no evidence at all, don't want to admit it, and are changing the subject.

Noted.

Basically you've just said you won't downvote me any more. I'll be watching for your sockpuppets.

Mar 01, 2019
So a 1 vote now means you have no evidence at all, don't want to admit it, and are changing the subject.

Noted.

DS,
the 1 vote from Benni or SEU is simply anger on their part for not being included in a group they desperately(seem to) want to be accepted by. It's a practice usually engaged in by middle and high school students.
For example, I was downvoted for saying I don't believe DM exists in a particulate form...
Exactly what they want to hear...
Hmmmm…

Mar 01, 2019
The magic of fairy dust in faerie land
cantdrive85> What causes a faerie dust particle, er, eh, dark matter particle to vibrate?

Cantdrive85
..................When in the twilight of the skyes
there is magic afoot
as the sun sets below the horizon
in between the trees and flowers
if you look closely, cantdrive85
you will see glowing golden lights a flickering
this is the Leprechauns
and
their pots of gold
moving under safety of darkness
to safer hidey holes
because
cantdrive85, if you are fortunate to have a wilderness back garden
these little Leprechauns
make their home your back garden
and
for that privilege
they let you share in their pot of gold
but, cantdrive85
there is a proviso
You have to believe in the world of Faeries!

Mar 01, 2019
So a 1 vote now means you have no evidence at all, don't want to admit it, and are changing the subject.

the 1 vote from Benni or SEU is simply anger on their part for not being included in a group they desperately(seem to) want to be accepted by. It's a practice usually engaged in by middle and high school students.
For example, I was downvoted for saying I don't believe DM exists in a particulate form...Exactly what they want to hear


It's a chuckle vote on my part, it means Benni acknowledges your educational ability to write, but not necessarily that 20% of what you write is found within the Immutable Laws of Physics. For example Schneibo's Black Hole Math conjured up from the aether theories of the 19th Century as an example for subjecting an electro-magnetic wave to the Escape Velocity of kinetic energy equations & the Zwicky debacle of Tired Light Theory.

You want to go on?

Mar 01, 2019
.....because we can see it acting but we can't see anything that accounts for the action. It may be particles; it may be a flaw under extreme conditions in relativity; it may be something else we haven't thought of yet. But to deny the effects is not to deny theory


Hey, schneibo........what "effects"?

I know you want to say INFERRED GRAVITY, right? But what that ignores is the definition of the word INFER, you should look it up & when you do & the real definition of the word matriculates through all the brain plaque you've accumulated over the past 100 years, what you will discover is that the word INFER cannot pertain to that which is KNOWN to exist, ie gravity, therefore it must be DARK MATTER that is inferred because that is what has never been discovered, gravity was discovered a long time ago in case you didn't know.

Mar 01, 2019
Putting Da Schniebo aka Da Pussy on ignore. I suggest everyone should do the same.


I don't know about this Egg.......it has been so much fun & entertainment watching him go off on so many cockamamie & screwy ideas with his 19th Century black hole math attempting prove Einstein's 1939 paper was "erroneous".

It is his screwy concepts of Physics that has it's way into Trekkie science fiction movies that the gullible actually believe to be REAL. I just keep coming here for the sole purpose of tweeking the diminutive mindset that has become pervasive within the culture of Pop-Cosmology fantasy & all the psycho-babble semantics it engenders, then watching the idiots descend into their usual pattern of name calling rants.

RNP
Mar 01, 2019
As usual, Benni gets all tied up by his own lack of understanding of the physics and then tries to blame the science rather than recognize his own ignorance. It's getting monotonous isn't it?

Mar 01, 2019
As usual, Benni gets all tied up by his own lack of understanding of the physics and then tries to blame the science rather than recognize his own ignorance. It's getting monotonous isn't it?
.....then in your own words, explain a SINGULARITY..........schneibo can't except to say Einstein's 1939 paper on the subject was "erroneous", maybe YOU can do better?

RNP
Mar 01, 2019
@Benni
You want me to do this AGAIN!

No bloody way!

You never listen!

Look at my previous posts if you actually want to learn something. Alternatively see the explanations of Da Schneib or antialias_physorg or jonesdave or ........... the list goes on and on and on. You never listen to anybody, and proudly proclaim that you do not read any of the references they give you. For whatever demented reasons, you are determined to stick to your misconceptions. So trying to explain things to you is pointless.

Mar 01, 2019
@Benni
You want me to do this AGAIN!

No bloody way!

You never listen!

Look at my previous posts if you actually want to learn something. Alternatively see the explanations of Da Schneib or antialias_physorg or jonesdave or ........... the list goes on and on and on. You never listen to anybody, and proudly proclaim that you do not read any of the references they give you. For whatever demented reasons, you are determined to stick to your misconceptions. So trying to explain things to you is pointless.


I don't have any interest in your previous posts, all any of them have ever proven is that you're an idiot freelance journalist who has never seen a Differential Equation you could solve.

Mar 01, 2019
Hey, schneibo........what "effects"?
Oh, you know, gravity and stuff.

Hey, @Benni, have you ever seen gravity?

Mar 01, 2019
@Benni forgot there's no real singularities again.

Mar 01, 2019
Hey, @Benni, have you ever seen gravity?
.......you ever seen a black hole?

Mar 01, 2019
I asked first.

You avoided the question.

The three-year-old is caught with the shirt full of cookie crumbs again.

Mar 01, 2019
Ever seen gravity, @Benni? Simple question. This is like watching you try to figure out

2 + 2 / 2 =?

again. You're afraid to answer.

Mar 01, 2019
@RNP.
@Benni

You want me to do this AGAIN! No bloody way! You never listen! Look at my previous posts if you actually want to learn something....You never listen....and proudly proclaim that you do not read....
I know the feeling well, mate..(welcome to my CS-world!) :)

Anyhow, what do you think of Da Schneib's attempt to pretend he didn't make a faux pas against @Benni, by pretending the "may" in the first line of this article applied to the "DM particle" FORM rather than to said particles BEHAVIOUR? It's pretty obvious that @Benni was perfectly in order to claim that the relevant physicists treat DM as "particles" having certain particulate properties/interactions. It's silly for DS to start another insults/diversions series of posts just to attempt to 'save face' on this one. As a friend of his, perhaps you should advise DS to just apologise to @Benni for calling him a liar just because @Benni pointed out that physicists treat DM as "particles". Good luck, mate. :)

Mar 01, 2019
2 + 2 / 2 =?

again. You're afraid to answer.

I think I saw this as being answered. It is da schnied's IQ, a big 'ol whopping 3!

Mar 01, 2019
This puzzle could be solved if dark matter scatters against itself like billiard balls, allowing particles to spread out more evenly after a collision. But one problem with this idea is that dark matter does seem to clump in bigger systems such as clusters of galaxies................
"If dark matter scatters with each other only at a low but very special speed, it can happen often in dwarf spheroidals, where it is moving slowly, but it is rare in clusters of galaxies where it is moving fast. It needs to hit a resonance"

Some other, possible, problems with their theory.
-- Wouldn't energy be released from these collisions?
-- Wouldn't the particles slow down i.e. lose that resonant speed and eventually, clump?

Mar 01, 2019
Has any of the trolls seen gravity?

Mar 01, 2019
Dungeon master rolls a d20, knocks 10 points off the intelligence of anyone reading this comment thread. Can't do anything about your charisma scores, sorry.

Mar 01, 2019
DM rolls a 20 on a d20, knocks 15 points off the intelligence of anyone who says they've "seen gravity." Can't help your math skillz, sorry.

Mar 01, 2019
Has any of the trolls seen gravity?

Da Schitts, the "meat" loving, knob gobbler, brays.
Has his boyfriend ever hit that "sweet" spot in his rectum?
Obviously, NOT.

Mar 01, 2019
So, @algore. can you see gravity?

Mar 01, 2019
So, @algore. can you see gravity?


Have you ever seen the brain inside your head? Nope, must be "inferred".

Mar 01, 2019
what is so sad about auntieoral , benni & the other lunatux?
Is that he/she/it really does hallucinate seeing gravity.
& air
& wind
& ghosts
& welcoming smiles
& altright virtues
& trumpsterfires innocence
& .... well, we could go on all days of auntieorals delusions, cant we?

But what would be the point? I'm sure the asylum already has a long lis of his/her/its ravings.

Mar 01, 2019
what is so sad about auntieoral , benni & the other lunatux?
Is that he/she/it really does hallucinate seeing gravity.
& air
& wind
& ghosts
& welcoming smiles
& altright virtues
& trumpsterfires innocence
& .... well, we could go on all days of auntieorals delusions, cant we?

But what would be the point? I'm sure the asylum already has a long lis of his/her/its ravings.

Everything you write is always about your opinion of others. I take it you don't know how to get beyond that?

Mar 01, 2019
So a 1 vote now means you have no evidence at all, don't want to admit it, and are changing the subject.

Noted.

DS,
the 1 vote from Benni or SEU is simply anger on their part for not being included in a group they desperately(seem to) want to be accepted by. It's a practice usually engaged in by middle and high school students.
For example, I was downvoted for saying I don't believe DM exists in a particulate form...
Exactly what they want to hear...
Hmmmm…
says Whyde

I understand your trepidations that the 5-Star Club membership that lives to give 1-Star ratings in these physorg phorums may turn on you one day, where you will find all 1-Stars from them and their Sox that would cause you much fear and anguish, especially since you have given them so much of your private & pubiic info that may be used against you.
Da Schnitzophrenic consistently rates my comments all "1s" and trolls me into other phorums to tell lies about me, Benni and RC. So what?

Mar 01, 2019
the 1 vote from Benni or SEU is simply anger on their part for not being included in a group they desperately(seem to) want to be accepted by. It's a practice usually engaged in by middle and high school students.


WhyGuy........all you do is swing a blowtorch around all day long bending metal to whatever contorted fantasy suits you. Now tell me, do you seriously think I'm after stars from you? Someone who can add nothing to my paycheck? Star ratings in this chatroom have no spending power.

Mar 01, 2019
what is so sad about auntieoral , benni & the other lunatux?
Is that he/she/it really does hallucinate seeing gravity.
& air
& wind
& ghosts
& welcoming smiles
& altright virtues
& trumpsterfires innocence
& .... well, we could go on all days of auntieorals delusions, cant we?

But what would be the point? I'm sure the asylum already has a long lis of his/her/its ravings.

LMAO.
And so, the rrwillsj jackass, brays so little, while braying so much.
It's obviously, very lonely in the stables, where you have been brought in for protection from thee. After all, out in the pasture, untold perils await an ignorant jackass, as thyself.

Mar 02, 2019
Unbelievable. Desperation to be proven right is setting in with the religious cult of/for Dark Matter. Next, they will burn at the stake anyone who dares to confer ridicule on their DM propositions.

"It may also be a sign that our world has more dimensions than we see. If a particle moves in extra dimensions, it has energy. For humans, who don't see the extra dimension, we think the energy is actually mass, thanks to Einstein's E=mc2. Perhaps some particle moves twice as fast in extra dimension, making its mass precisely twice as much as the mass of dark matter," says Chu."

Man oh man oh man - now they think they're seeing multiple dimensions in this world.
Oh wait. instead of saying "people", they are referring to "humans" like I do. Hmmm I wonder now, could it be??
No. it's impossible - or is it.
All Particles have Energy, and don't need "extra dimensions" to move in. And "extra dimensions" are only postulated, not proven.

Mar 02, 2019
Just pointing out the local trolls' illogical arguments.

They don't like it much.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Diddums stub its widdle toesies on the nasty evul logic thingie?

The clown car rides again.

Mar 02, 2019
See, the thing is, you're stuck either way.

Yes you can see gravity: Great, well, we can see dark matter and black holes the same way.

No, you can't see gravity: Great, well, do you believe it's not there? Go jump out of a high window. If you can fly like Superman then you win. Otherwise, splat.

This is what is commonly known as a dilemma.

Troll harder.

Mar 02, 2019
Having an aneurysm yet, trolls?

Teh stoopit, it burnz.

Great stuff.

Mar 02, 2019
Have you ever seen the brain inside your head?
Yes, actually. There's this brand new thing called a PET scan. Maybe you've heard of them.

Nothing like trolling trolls with their own faulty logic. Comedy gold.

Mar 02, 2019
So, @algore. can you see gravity?


Have you ever seen the brain inside your head? Nope, must be "inferred".
says Benni

Are you sure he even has a brain? Seems more like the walking-typing brain-dead who can't help having to say something - ANY thing - without really having something to say that's pertinent to the discourse. More like the graffiti boys painting symbols on a wall who always have a need to show the world that they matter - that is, in their own mind.

Actually, we can see the effects of Gravity on objects, such as Mass being attracted to each other to form larger and larger clumps. Gravity builds planets.

Mar 02, 2019
Seems to work better than yours since you can't answer "can you see gravity" either yes or no.

You know, just like you couldn't answer

2 + 2 / 2 = ?

Teh stoopit, it burnz.

I mean, just sayin'.

Mar 02, 2019
Couldn't even make it 24 hours, couldja?

I win.

Mar 02, 2019
Seems to work better than yours since you can't answer "can you see gravity" either yes or no.

You know, just like you couldn't answer

2 + 2 / 2 = ?

Teh stoopit, it burnz.

I mean, just sayin'.
.....we get it schneibo, you're still having basic math solving skills which is why you keep coming here asking us for help. We keep telling you it's your IQ but you'll never know what that is until you figure out how to do this 6th grade math problem, I guess for you ignorance is bliss.

Mar 02, 2019
Hey, you guys are the ones who screwed math up; it all started with you trying to make up a fairy tale about half-life, and refusing to admit you'd made a mistake in the basic math. Typical troll. It's amusing to watch you tangle your feet because you're trying to walk and chew gum at the same time.

And it's 4th grade math. Apparently you were in the class for the slow learners.

Mar 02, 2019
So the Louis-Victor De Broglie hypothesis works also on long distance objects which al have unique wave properties?

Mar 02, 2019
Not sure I follow your logic, @Dobbel. Please explain further and in more detail. De Broglie had many hypotheses, and some of them turned out to be really important. But I wouldn't call any of them "the" de Broglie hypothesis.

Mar 02, 2019
"The concept that matter behaves like a wave was proposed by Louis de Broglie (/dəˈbrɔɪ/) in 1924. It is also referred to as the de Broglie hypothesis.[1] Matter waves are referred to as de Broglie waves."
source: wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter_wave
It is suggested that it works on black holes as well or in fact on any mass.

Mar 02, 2019
Thanks, @Dobbel. But I don't see what that has to do with long distance.

Mar 02, 2019
@Da, the double slit experiment is a short distance experiment and proved the wave character for photons and electrons as well as other particles at quantum level. Long distance is the whole universe where the same thing happens according to De Broglie, with any existing mass, that might oscillate at certain frequency, clear enough now?

Mar 02, 2019
@Benni,

In case you haven't noticed (actually, it's obvious you haven't noticed), all we know about gravity is its effects. We don't know what it is, or how it works, or anything else about it -- only its effects.

That means it's inferred. End of story.

Does that make you doubt its existence?

Precisely those same effects are used to infer black holes.

You don't have to actually see something with electromagnetic radiation to know it's there. Do you think think scanning electron microscopes and PET scanners are faking their results? They don't use electromagnetic radiation. Your "gravimeter" doesn't use electromagnetic radiation, yet you don't seem to doubt it.

So, what's your problem with inference?

Mar 02, 2019
That means it's inferred. End of story.
....it's not inferred if I can measure it, what no one has yet done is MEASURE a black hole, that's why the article refers to it as "inferred", it does not refer to gravity as being "inferred". Stop being so hard of reading.

Mar 02, 2019
That means it's inferred. End of story.
....it's not inferred if I can measure it, what no one has yet done is MEASURE a black hole, that's why the article refers to it as "inferred", it does not refer to gravity as being "inferred". Stop being so hard of reading.


Yes they have. Read the article. There is a mass of 30 000 Sun's acting on that cloud. Perhaps you'd like to explain to everybody what could possibly have that mass, other than a black hole?

Mar 02, 2019
well sillyegghead.
If Gravity can "build" planets?
What is there to stop Gravity from even greater achievements in assembling mass? Such as a Stygian Oubliette?

Your disapproval?

There you are to be found again.
Up in your tree. Shaking your mighty thunderstick at the sky. Screeching your indignation that once again the Cosmos not only disregards your looney chatter but is coldly indifferent to your existence.

Better luck in your next incarnation.
Maybe you'll luck out & find yourself in your magical faerieland universe.

Remember, trope springs infernal!

Mar 02, 2019
That means it's inferred. End of story.
....it's not inferred if I can measure it, what no one has yet done is MEASURE a black hole, that's why the article refers to it as "inferred", it does not refer to gravity as being "inferred". Stop being so hard of reading.

Yes they have. Read the article. There is a mass of 30 000 Sun's acting on that cloud. Perhaps you'd like to explain to everybody what could possibly have that mass, other than a black hole?
........30k more stars that can't be seen due to commonly existing dust found everywhere in the Universe & especially at galactic cores.

Mar 02, 2019
@rrwilliejoe
Everything that you come up with is a clear indication that your Mum dropped you on your head as a baby. Do you also walk around in circles? You do talk around in circles here in physorg. I shouldn't have interfered when SpookyOtto was harassing you on a daily basis when I thought that you were a normal person. Now I have seen the light, but it's too late.

Mar 02, 2019
@Dobbel, ummmm, not really. What "same thing?" That matter and energy have wavelength at the quantum scale? Sure, but why does it matter?

Mar 02, 2019
@Benni, the orbits of stars are meters. The orbits of dust and gas are meters. The accretion disk is a meter. The emissions of X-rays, radio waves, and infrared are meters. So, if you say that the ability to measure something makes it not an inference, then we have measured black holes and they are not an inference any more than gravity is an inference.

Meanwhile, I can measure time. So it's not an inference either. Hear that, @SRU? @Benni now says you're wrong about time. It's a measurable dimension, just like length or height or width or depth or distance. It's not inferred, i.e. not a "construct of the human mind," any more than length or height or width or depth or distance.

You can't have it both ways.

Mar 02, 2019
Classic stuff. Watching the bitch of trolls tangle their feet and fall on their noses is comedy gold.

Mar 03, 2019
That means it's inferred. End of story.
....it's not inferred if I can measure it, what no one has yet done is MEASURE a black hole, that's why the article refers to it as "inferred", it does not refer to gravity as being "inferred". Stop being so hard of reading.


Yes they have. Read the article. There is a mass of 30 000 Sun's acting on that cloud. Perhaps you'd like to explain to everybody what could possibly have that mass, other than a black hole?
........30k more stars that can't be seen due to commonly existing dust found everywhere in the Universe & especially at galactic cores.


Total nonsense. If stars approaching to within approx. 100 AU of the radio source at the galactic centre can be seen, why can't we see the missing 4 million stars that need to be there? I'm afraid that you appear to have little to no grasp of the subject area. Possibly best to stop commenting on things with which you have no familiarity.

Mar 03, 2019
Here's my answer.
The est. of 4 mega stars is based on the ludicrous speed achieved by the material of the accretion disk. As it orbits the BH/Stygian Oubliette.

On how much energy it would take to accelerate the debris to that velocity.

Just like your car insurance adjuster does figuring out how fast you were traveling when you failed to make the curve.
That's not a happy look on his face as he watches a Sheriff's Deputy fill a trash bag with all the empty beer cans out of your vehicle.

The est. 4 mega stars are NOT missing. Those are gone forever. BhuBye!

Over billions of years those were swallowed by the Sag*a BH/SO. Shredded down to constituent Planck foundational gravitrons & now make up the mass of whateverinthehell is occurring on the other side of the Event Horizon.

Where everything goes in & nothing comes out except the gravitational attraction of the amalgamated mass of stars.

Only visible as waves in the gases clouds of the accretion disk.

Mar 03, 2019
That means it's inferred. End of story.
....it's not inferred if I can measure it, what no one has yet done is MEASURE a black hole, that's why the article refers to it as "inferred", it does not refer to gravity as being "inferred". Stop being so hard of reading.


There is a mass of 30 000 Sun's acting on that cloud. Perhaps you'd like to explain to everybody what could possibly have that mass, other than a black hole?
........30k more stars that can't be seen due to commonly existing dust found everywhere in the Universe & especially at galactic cores.
says Benni

And then Da Scheide says:

"Meanwhile, I can measure time. So it's not an inference either. Hear that, @SRU? @Benni now says you're wrong about time. It's a measurable dimension, just like length or height or width or depth or distance. It's not inferred,"

Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise.

Mar 03, 2019
So you deny that time can be measured, contradicting your butt buddy @Benni?

OK.

Looks like you guys got some stuff to work out. Maybe you should do that instead of having a public bitch fight on physorg.

Mar 03, 2019
This one over here says "We can measure gravity so we can see it!"

That one over there says "We can measure time but we can't see it!"

Get your shit together guys. 'Cause right now your shit is weak.

Mar 03, 2019
End of story.
....it's not inferred if I can measure it, what no one has yet done is MEASURE a black hole, that's why the article refers to it as "inferred", it does not refer to gravity as being "inferred". Stop being


Yes they have.There is a mass of 30 000 Sun's acting on that cloud. Perhaps you'd like to explain to everybody what could possibly have that mass, other than a black hole?
........30k more stars that can't be seen due to commonly existing dust found everywhere in the Universe & especially at galactic cores.


Total nonsense. If stars approaching to within approx. 100 AU of the radio source at the galactic centre can be seen, why can't we see the missing 4 million stars that need to be there? I'm afraid
Yes, you should be afraid.

The mass equivalent of 30.000 Suns doesn't need to be a BH. It could be the earliest level at which a new solar system is forming with all the gas/dust in that region.

Mar 03, 2019
Make up your itty bitty mind.

Either we can measure it therefore we can see it, or measuring things doesn't mean we can see them.

It's quite simple, but then again you can't do 4th grade math so you're still trolling.

Oh and BTW if you change your stories then I will taunt you with that too.

Clown car rides again.

Mar 03, 2019
Benni and I both agree that - we can measure gravity by its effects on mass according to altitude, direction and velocity; and
we can measure the time by reading the increments on a digital or Caesium clock.

And as I've already said:
Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and that it can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise while measuring that event with a timepiece, or measuring the Length/Duration of other Events.

Isn't that right, Benni?


Mar 03, 2019
If you don't accept that time is a dimension, you deny Einstein (1905). See section 3 of the paper.

@Benni asserts it.

Like I said, go fight your bitch fight someplace else unless you want us all to laugh at it.

Typical troll bitch fight noted.

Meanwhile, gravity doesn't exist and can only be measured by @Benni's "gravitymeters."

Not to mention your own duplicity regarding rulers and clocks.

Mar 03, 2019
I mean, seriously, you accept gravity but don't accept black holes, and you accept space but can't accept time?

Teh stoopit it burnz.

Mar 04, 2019
LOL I don't see any 'troll bitch fight' whatever that's supposed to be. I think you're imagining things - as usual. You really need to see a good psychiatrist to see why you are imagining imaginary fights in a science phorum.
Poor Da Schneide is so unable to face reality that he has to make up shit. Take your meds, Da Scheide.

Mar 04, 2019
And then Da Scheide says:

"Meanwhile, I can measure time. So it's not an inference either. Hear that, @SRU? @Benni now says you're wrong about time. It's a measurable dimension, just like length or height or width or depth or distance. It's not inferred,"

Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise.

Or by watching your kids grow up and leave home and then watching your self grow older and weaker till that one day when you say - I got other stuff to do....
What causes THAT, SEU?

Mar 04, 2019
And then Da Scheide says:

"Meanwhile, I can measure time. So it's not an inference either. Hear that, @SRU? @Benni now says you're wrong about time. It's a measurable dimension, just like length or height or width or depth or distance. It's not inferred,"

Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise.

Or by watching your kids grow up and leave home and then watching your self grow older and weaker till that one day when you say - I got other stuff to do....
What causes THAT, SEU?
says Whyde

Have you ever noticed how a piece of iron bar left out in the weather will rust away if not protected with some type of oil? That is a chemical change, same as getting old means that cells are aging and dying. Getting weaker - chemical changes in the body. It is the passage of Events Nothing to do with the concept of time, although your MIND is aware of that passage. Getting old is an Event

Mar 04, 2019
@Whyde
Are you afraid of death and getting weak? You don't need to be afraid, as it is a natural Event where the trillions of cells in your body are not as spry as when you were young(er). If you believe that your Soul lives on after your trillions of cells are exhausted and they all die, then you need to understand that there is the corporeal body, and there is the other. That other is of a spiritual nature that is just as real as the corporeal body - except that it can't die. It isn't made of Matter/Energy where M can convert to Energy and Energy back to Matter. Spirits live on unencumbered by physical, material issues.
However, if you don't believe that you have a Soul - or even want to have one - then I am not going to try to convince you otherwise. It's your choice.

Mar 04, 2019
Hey, you're the ones saying stuff that's opposite to each other.

I'm just watching the flaming zeppelin.

Mar 04, 2019
So, which is it?

is stuff we can measure real or not?

Inquiring minds etc.

Mar 04, 2019
Meanwhile, @Benni admits black holes and dark matter exist because we can measure them:

https://phys.org/...ter.html

Mar 04, 2019
Benni and I both agree that - we can measure gravity by its effects on mass according to altitude, direction and velocity; and
we can measure the time by reading the increments on a digital or Caesium clock.

And as I've already said:
Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and that it can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise while measuring that event with a timepiece, or measuring the Length/Duration of other Events.

Isn't that right, Benni?



Asking Benni anything would appear to be pointless, as he seems to have no scientific understanding whatsoever, and lies to try to make his assertions. I would suggest linking to actual science to back up your own falsehoods.

Mar 04, 2019
Benni and I both agree that - we can measure gravity by its effects on mass according to altitude, direction and velocity; and
we can measure the time by reading the increments on a digital or Caesium clock.

And as I've already said:
Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and that it can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise while measuring that event with a timepiece, or measuring the Length/Duration of other Events.

Isn't that right, Benni?
.......on the money

Mar 04, 2019
And then Da Scheide says:

"Meanwhile, I can measure time. So it's not an inference either. Hear that, @SRU? @Benni now says you're wrong about time. It's a measurable dimension, just like length or height or width or depth or distance. It's not inferred,"

Da Scheide still can't accept that Time is NOT a dimension, and can ONLY be measured by clocks, or watching the sunrise.

Or by watching your kids grow up and leave home and then watching your self grow older and weaker till that one day when you say - I got other stuff to do....
What causes THAT, SEU?


.......except for YOU WhyGuy. I distinctly remember several years ago that you stated your age as 65, then a couple months ago you repeated it.


Mar 04, 2019
But gee, @Benni, I thought if you could measure it, it's real. And I can sure measure time.

Mar 04, 2019
Surrounding galaxies are the star forming clouds

Rotating with galaxy
where their circular motion
with the field aligned Birkeland currants
form
current sheets
in the plasmatic clouds
the magnetic field of the galaxy emanates from
the individual stars
where
in the planets of these star
according to every ones favourite source without which the universe comes crashing down

Birkeland current are currents that flow along geomagnetic field lines connecting the Earth's magnetosphere to the Earth's ionosphere in the Earth's magnetosphere the currents are driven by the solar wind and interplanetary magnetic field and by bulk motions of plasma through the magnetosphere

so what is good for the goose
is good for the gander

if planets have field aligned Birkeland currants
stars can have field aligned Birkeland currants
So can galaxies
https://upload.wi...tems.png

Mar 04, 2019
if planets have field aligned Birkeland currants
stars can have field aligned Birkeland currants
So can galaxies


Complete nonsense.

Mar 04, 2019
The Galaxy is the sum of its Stars

In a typical star
the heliospheric current sheet
is the surface
within the Solar System
where the polarity of the Sun's magnetic field changes from north to south
this field
extends throughout the Sun's equatorial plane in the heliosphere
the shape of the current sheet
results
from the influence of the Sun's rotating magnetic field
on
the plasma in the interplanetary medium
a small electrical current flows within the sheet
the thickness of the current sheet
is 10,000 km near the orbit of the Earth

This theory
equally applies to the galaxy as a whole
because
as the stars accumulate their magnetic fields
their fields increase in strength
and
there influence flows into the plasmatic
star forming clouds
surrounding the galaxy
where
Birkeland current currents flow along galactic magnetic field lines connecting the galactic magnetosphere to the stars

RNP
Mar 04, 2019
@granny
if planets have field aligned Birkeland currants
stars can have field aligned Birkeland currants


Why do planets and stars align dried fruit? Can you give references?
..........Or, did you mean "currents"?

Mar 04, 2019
How's the finrot progressing?
if planets have field aligned Birkeland currants
stars can have field aligned Birkeland currants
So can galaxies

Castrogiovanni> Complete nonsense.

Has this winter summer of 20°C
worked its miraculous cure
or
Are these winds of March about to take their toll?

p.s. Oh, by the way, welcome back, we all missed you

Mar 04, 2019
Birkeland current currents flow along galactic magnetic field lines connecting the galactic magnetosphere to the stars


Complete bunk. Galactic fields are tiny.


Mar 04, 2019
"Who put the 'straw' in strawberries?"
"Uhhhh, nature did."
"OK, who put the 'ape' in apricots?"
"Uhhhhhhhhh, nature did."
"That's right, Now listen carefully: who put the 'freak' in french fries?"
"Uhhhhh, there ain't no 'freak' in french fries."
"That's what I been tryin' ta tell ya, butt-breath! There ain't no freakin' french fries!"

Mar 04, 2019
The Currant Bun Dilemma
@granny
if planets have field aligned Birkeland currants
stars can have field aligned Birkeland currants


RNP> Why do planets and stars align dried fruit? Can you give references?
..........Or, did you mean "currents"?

You have to watch the currants
when munching on currant scones with lashings of butter
they are more electrifying
than
the currents in Birkeland currents
usually its Castrogiovanni who keeps an eye on my spelling
Well spotted, RNP


Mar 04, 2019
After reading all these off-topic comments, I can understand that SETI looks for intelligent life somewhere else :-) . Have fun guys, I am out of here.

Mar 04, 2019
Complete bunk. Galactic fields are tiny.

That's one of thems oxymorons, written by a moron.

Mar 04, 2019
Complete bunk. Galactic fields are tiny.

That's one of thems oxymorons, written by a moron.


Huh? What are you talking about? What are the measured magnetic fields of galaxies? Please refer to the scientific literature for guidance.

Mar 04, 2019
What, without even explaining what de Broglie's matter waves have to do with black holes? I was really looking forward to that. :D

Mar 04, 2019
It makes me feel sad for the reputations of Birkeland, Alfven & the other Reasearchers being smeared by filthy woomongers of anti-science.

The frauds of quackery hijacking the efforts of Real Scientists. Whose dedicated output of is blatantly plagiarized & corrupted by looneytoons.

Who are incompetent to produce any peer-reviewed publications, as incapable of original, creative thought.
The dim bulbs who cannot even invent a working device from their fakir gibberish. Without resorting to cheap video-editing & +stage-illusionist trickery.

The problem started with Birkeland & Alfven being decent guys. Which made them easy victims for the charlatans & mountebanks.

With a complete lack of moral character the looneytoons steal unashamed & without remorse.

Since there is no Laws to protect Scientist from such felonious behavior?

The best we can hope for is if the Professional Stage Illusionists realize that their copyrights & patents are being stolen by criminals.

Mar 04, 2019
The best we can hope for is if the Professional Stage Illusionists realize that their copyrights & patents are being stolen by criminals.

Criminals indeed, Sidney Chapman derided and ridiculed Birkeland's and Alfvén's hypotheses regarding auroral mechanisms for 50-years, only to claim them as his own when they were proven correct. He was laughed off the stage at a conference when he tried his thievery, obviously lost on morons such as yourselves.

Mar 04, 2019
What causes THAT, SEU?
says Whyde

Have you ever noticed how a piece of iron bar left out in the weather will rust away if not protected with some type of oil? That is a chemical change, same as getting old means that cells are aging and dying. Getting weaker - chemical changes in the body. It is the passage of Events Nothing to do with the concept of time, although your MIND is aware of that passage. Getting old is an Event

And. how does change occur without duration?
And, what is it a duration of?
And… Getting old is a SERIES of events...
.

Mar 04, 2019
Or by watching your kids grow up and leave home and then watching your self grow older and weaker till that one day when you say - I got other stuff to do....
What causes THAT, SEU?


.......except for YOU WhyGuy. I distinctly remember several years ago that you stated your age as 65, then a couple months ago you repeated it.

Apparently your "distinct" remembrance ain't what it used to be, as I am 64 for another 6 months...
Hey - and she still needs me and feeds me.... :-)
Since I've jammed a lot of living into that 64 years, I'm (relatively) only 54...
It DOES dilate!

Mar 04, 2019
cant raving of his innocence,
confesses a subconscious admission of deeply-rooted feelings of guilt.
You really do need to use an editor to prevent you from trumptweeting. Or at least keep an attorney on retainer.

The criminal whining to the judge "Your Honor that other guy was a bigger crook than I am."

"You are the defendant before this court, today."

cant babbles "Sidney Chapman derided and ridiculed Birkeland's and Alfvén's hypotheses"

The Prosecutor interjects "Your Honor, the prosecution points out that the defendant is failing to defend his own criminal behavior."

The Judge coldly asks cant. "Do you have any defense exhibit against the charges against you? Of plagiarism, copyright infringement & theft of original research material NOT created by you? Anything at all. An invention? An original research program conducted by you? Any peer-reviewed publications?

cant is stricken stammering out excises.as the audience of fellow looneys wail their distress.

Mar 04, 2019
Oh, you were falsely accusing me. I was only pointing out the real fraudsters that you were talking about.

Mar 04, 2019
@cantthink comes up with another lie. Typical troll.

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