Galaxy NGC 3256 contains substantial amounts of dark matter, study suggests

October 11, 2018 by Tomasz Nowakowski, Phys.org report
Galaxy NGC 3256 contains substantial amounts of dark matter, study suggests
Integrated intensity (mom0) map of the CO(1-0) line emission in the central region of NGC 3256. Credit: Ali et al., 2018.

A new research recently carried out by astronomers suggests that the galaxy NGC 3256 has substantial amounts of dark matter in its central region. The finding, presented in a paper published October 2 on arXiv.org, might pose a challenge to the modified Newtonian dynamics theory.

Located some 114 million light years away in the Hydra-Centaurus supercluster complex, NGC 3256 is a luminous infrared galaxy (LIRG). It is one of the brightest nearby galaxies and the most luminous galaxy in infrared located within redshift of 0.01 from the Earth.

NGC 3256 was formed as a result of a merger of two gas-rich disk galaxies and has a nearly face-on orientation. Such properties make it an excellent target for studying in LIRGs.

Given that LIRGs like NGC 3256 are usually merging galaxies regulated by dark- halo merging, astronomers try to determine if a significant amount of dark matter can be identified in central regions of such galaxies, whose dynamical masses usually seem to be dominated by molecular masses.

With this aim in mind, a team of researchers led by Israa Abdulqasim Mohammed Ali of the University of Malaya in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, has recently studied NGC 3256 using data from the Atacama Large Millimeter and sub-millimeter Array (ALMA) and the Two Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS).

"We investigated the central distribution of the luminous infrared galaxy NGC 3256 at a distance of 35 Mpc by using CO(1-0) observations of the Atacama Large Millimeter and sub-millimeter Array (ALMA) and near-IR data of the Two Micron Sky Survey (2MASS)," the scientists wrote in the paper.

The analysis of the available data allowed the team to determine the mass distribution in NGC 3256. They found that there is a significant amount of invisible dynamical mass (around 48 billion solar masses) in the central region of the galaxy. The fraction of the invisible mass was calculated to be about 87 percent of the dynamical mass.

According to the authors of the paper, such huge amount of invisible mass, cannot be explained by the molecular mass and the stellar mass within the central region. Therefore, they suggest that invisible mass is likely caused by dark matter.

"The amount of dark matter is about 4.84 ± 0.42 × 1010 solar masses, which is significantly larger than the stellar mass. It is clear that even the velocity was not circular, the dynamical mass that would be required to account for the observed velocity dispersion is still much larger than the baryonic mass, and thus the existence of a huge amount of dark matter in the central region of the galaxy is necessary," the researchers concluded.

Dark matter in central regions of galaxies is still relatively unexplored. Astronomers generally agree that dark matter usually dominates in the outer regions of galaxies but is not considered as an important mass component in the innermost regions of . Hence, the authors of the study noted that their discovery might have a significant impact on modified Newtonian dynamics theory, which was proposed to explain the "missing mass problem" without using dark matter.

"What is more important is that this missing mass problem cannot be explained with the traditional MOND [modified Newtonian dynamics] theory because of strong acceleration in the central region of the galaxy. Since most of the dark matter phenomena at galactic scales can usually be explained by the MOND theory very well, this discovery thus poses a significant challenge to the traditional MOND models," the paper reads.

Explore further: Cosmic collision lights up the darkness

More information: Dark Matter in the Central Region of NGC 3256, arXiv:1810.00374 [astro-ph.GA] arxiv.org/abs/1810.00374

Israa Abdulqasim Mohammed Ali et al. Dark Matter in the Central Region of NGC 3256, Sains Malaysiana (2018). DOI: 10.17576/jsm-2018-4706-20

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theredpill
1.8 / 5 (15) Oct 11, 2018
"NGC 3256 has substantial amounts of dark matter in its central region."

No, it doesn't. because space works like this: In space everything is weightless, so if you take two permanent magnets and try to push them together but leave one floating...it shoots away. This principle of magnetic repulsion applies to ALL BODIES. All stars have an external field of flux, voyager flew into our suns. That increase in flux density is the only way to explain the increase in particle velocity and density it measured where it did. At that distance, the flux density indicates the field extends deep into interstellar space... just like every stars field must. So we have a bunch of bodies with external fields that push against each other, that are weightless... but not totally because they are also gravitationally attracted to each other... now, isn't it pretty clear why nobody can find DM?

Every stellar mass in the universe is "almost" weightless due to the distances between them.
Bob West
1 / 5 (13) Oct 11, 2018
Dark matter is a supersolid that fills 'empty' space, strongly interacts with ordinary matter and is displaced by ordinary matter. What is referred to geometrically as curved spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the supersolid dark matter. The state of displacement of the supersolid dark matter is gravity.

The supersolid dark matter displaced by a galaxy pushes back, causing the stars in the outer arms of the galaxy to orbit the galactic center at the rate in which they do.

Displaced supersolid dark matter is curved spacetime.
theredpill
2.1 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
No Bob, it isn't. There is no "matter" at all creating the DM effect. In space, matter moves due to field interaction, gravitational and magnetic, that is all. That is physics. @zzzzz...say something if you disagree, if you just don't like the truth...fine.
zz5555
4.6 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
Sorry, had to head in to work. Dark matter doesn't interact with the electromagnetic force, only with gravity. So magnetic repulsion doesn't apply to it. Just like similar particles, like neutrinos.

Separately, what do people have against the lowly dark matter? Abundant observations indicate the existence of either dark matter or an error in our understanding of gravity. A number of observations seem to rule out an error in gravity so Occam's razor suggests that dark matter is some kind of matter. And it's not even very exotic matter since we've already found neutrinos that behave similarly to dark matter.
theredpill
2 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
I just explained the discord above and why DM doesn't exist at all. If you cannot wrap your head around the concepts of magnetic repulsion and weightlessness then physics isn't something you should be wasting your time on. If you think the physical interaction above doesn't take place then you are so pre-occupied with math that it has made you ignorant of actual physics. Believe it now or wait until the mainstream exhausts every other option...but why anyone would when it really is this simple is beyond me....gluttons for punishment I guess.
Bob West
1.3 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
@zz5555, you are mistaking the notion of WIMP dark matter with the notion of dark matter itself. Dark matter can, and does, strongly interact with ordinary matter.

There is evidence of the supersolid dark matter every time a double-slit experiment is performed, as it is the dark matter that waves. Wave-particle duality is a moving particle and its associated wave in the supersolid dark matter.
zz5555
4.6 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
Your first comment said things are almost weightless, meaning nothing really is. Your comment about magnetic repulsion is meaningless with regard to dark matter since dark matter is completely unaffected by electromagnetic forces. Dark matter is, after all, dark. Why you brought it up a second time is a puzzle. So the only force acting on it is an attractive force, gravity.

You say there is no dark matter. How do you explain all the observations indicating that there is something "invisible" there?
rossim22
2 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
Astronomers generally agree that dark matter usually dominates in the outer regions of galaxies but is not considered as an important mass component in the innermost regions of galaxies.


Now, who was it that was telling me all about how the term 'halos' is a misnomer and that the reason the velocity curve of a galaxy is flat is because most of the DM is centrally located?

jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
All stars have an external field of flux, voyager flew into our suns.


WTF is an 'external field of flux'? Sounds like fabricated bollocks to me.
MrBojangles
3.5 / 5 (13) Oct 11, 2018
zz5555 - Don't bother trying to explain DM to PhysOrg forumgoers. Somehow these crackpot armchair physicists have figured out the deepest mysteries of the universe while eating Cheetos and lurking on the web, while the rest of humanity is too dull to understand their revelations (including the real mathematicians and physicists actually doing the calculations.)

Edit: @jonesdave - I believe he's referring to the heliosphere
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
WTF is an 'external field of flux'? Sounds like fabricated bollocks to me.

jonesdumb shouts from the rooftops, "I not knowing what an electromagnetic field is, so obviously it is bollocks!"
LOL!
theredpill
2.6 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
"Your first comment said things are almost weightless, meaning nothing really is."
In space, as you know "weight" is relative to mass as "weight" manifests via a gravitational interaction between masses. It is the distance between the masses that makes them "almost" weightless.
"Your comment about magnetic repulsion is meaningless with regard to dark matter since dark matter is completely unaffected by electromagnetic forces."

There is no dark matter, it doesn't exist, so whether magnetism effects it is irrelevant. We are talking about stellar bodies with external fields light years apart in space...that are for all intents and purposes, weightless. GR and gravity calcs. all revolve around mass and the values we estimate based on 1G. Toss them away other than the inverse square rule for fields and you have extremely weak gravity pulling and extremely weak magnetism pushing, but since the bodies are weightless that is all it takes. I can't say it any simpler.


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theredpill
3 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
"WTF is an 'external field of flux'? Sounds like fabricated bollocks to me."

It is that invisible stuff you feel pushing against the magnet in your hand when the other magnet gets close enough for the fields to interact, again, if this is too much to grasp then stick to the math and leave the physical relationship to those who understand what a physical relationship is Jones...and any of the other one raters who don't like the truth

"I believe he's referring to the heliosphere"

Nope, clearly stated the magnetic highway. As to the rest of your of your comment, deal with the physical relationships I am talking about from the basic scientific perspective required to understand it, or go eat you Cheetos and leave the talk to the big kids.
Whydening Gyre
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
Funny that no one has posited that a gravity field, itself, has gravity....
Or that multiple gravity fields are accumulative, creating a "dark matter" effect...
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (13) Oct 11, 2018
"WTF is an 'external field of flux'? Sounds like fabricated bollocks to me."

It is that invisible stuff you feel pushing against the magnet in your hand when the other magnet gets close enough for the fields to interact, again, if this is too much to grasp then stick to the math and leave the physical relationship to those who understand what a physical relationship is Jones...and any of the other one raters who don't like the truth

"I believe he's referring to the heliosphere"

Nope, clearly stated the magnetic highway. As to the rest of your of your comment, deal with the physical relationships I am talking about from the basic scientific perspective required to understand it, or go eat you Cheetos and leave the talk to the big kids.


Just link to the paper, you idiot, as you are making no sense at all. As usual.
theredpill
3 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
"Funny that no one has posited that a gravity field, itself, has gravity...."

Why would they? Gravity is a product of mass interaction, there is no gravity field without mass...that's one of the reasons GR led to the DM hypothesis in the first place.

"Just link to the paper, you idiot, as you are making no sense at all. As usual"

You want me to link you to a paper that says the field around magnets make them push off each other? And that concept makes no sense to you?

Go away Jones...you are a lost cause
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (14) Oct 11, 2018
You want me to link you to a paper that says the field around magnets make them push off each other? And that concept makes no sense to you?

Go away Jones...you are a lost cause


No, you idiot, the paper that describes this never seen phenomenon in an astrophysical setting, you prat. Where is the paper that does away with DM, in favour of magnetic bollocks? Link it. Just look up Nobel Prize awards, because whoever wrote it would have gotten one.

theredpill
3.2 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
"No, you idiot, the paper that describes this never seen phenomenon in an astrophysical setting, "

How about an Astronaut describing it...if you watch the whole thing he even tells you how the earth's field extends into space. He's using bar magnets...not the same thing a globe. with a magnetic field attached but that one is for the paper you are requesting.

https://www.youtu...crGlzGAg

Now Jones, rather than banter with you about something I was shown by another and try to help you understand it, I have explained it how it was explained to me and I understand how it works and why. You will see the papers written about this by the people qualified to write them because despite what you may think, this concept is well understood by the people working on it. They are just not interested in "these" kinds of debate with "your" kind of people. The facts and the physics speak for themselves and will in a public forum soon enough. And yeah..it will be a nobel prize.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (13) Oct 11, 2018
^^^^^Translation: "I made it up myself, due to failing to understand the first thing about physics, plasma physics, astrophysics or EM;"

Just more impossible woo from the electric idiots. yes? Go spam your crap somewhere else, you uneducated loon.
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (13) Oct 11, 2018
You will see the papers written about this by the people qualified to write them because despite what you may think, this concept is well understood by the people working on it.


Not in any respectable journal we won't. Nobody would be dumb enough to write such nonsense. I doubt anybody is working on it, except maybe some fruitloop electric idiots.

theredpill
3.2 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
I am going to take immense pleasure in watching you choke on your thoughtless words Jones. And I like everybody...but you, you are a special kind of ass. Like a dog that shits on the floor and won't stop no matter how many times his nose gets rubbed in it.

Keep shitting on the floor Jones, you are better at that than understanding physics.
jonesdave
1.8 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
I am going to take immense pleasure in watching you choke on your thoughtless words Jones. And I like everybody...but you, you are a special kind of ass. Like a dog that shits on the floor and won't stop no matter how many times his nose gets rubbed in it.

Keep shitting on the floor Jones, you are better at that than understanding physics.


I understand physics far better than you do, you ignorant tosser. Nobody is working on any such hypothesis as claimed. It is utter drivel. Only thicko EU nutjobs would even contemplate such unscientific crap. And if you know of anything in advance, then it will not be from real scientists, and can only be from the aforementioned electric idiots.
theredpill
2.8 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
Another pile of useless shit from the dog...one wonders why the owners keep feeding the worthless POS.
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
Another pile of useless shit from the dog...one wonders why the owners keep feeding the worthless POS.


And you and your cult have never been right about anything, have you, dumbo? Because none of you have even a tenuous grip on real science. Correct? And that is why you are a complete irrelevance, and are rightly ignored. A bunch of nobodies, saying nothing.
theredpill
3.3 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
"And you and your cult have never been right about anything, have you, dumbo? Because none of you have even a tenuous grip on real science. Correct? And that is why you are a complete irrelevance, and are rightly ignored. A bunch of nobodies, saying nothing."

This isn't "EU Woo" , this is established physical relationships between objects and you haven't a hope of grasping it...this makes your extreme frustration a bit more understandable, but to act like a mindless angry dolt in a forum isn't the answer for you Jones...therapy is the answer, happy pills could be a possible stopgap before you actually go hurt somebody but you have to do something about this issue of yours...and acting like a complete moron here isn't it.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
Theredpill's doggies do dah's

I never thought this day would come JD, you've met your match in the melodious words department, your grip slipping or theredpill's taken a masters in expletives
Now theredpill has been doing the doggy do dah's, there's nowhere to sit down.
MrBojangles
4 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
Nope, clearly stated the magnetic highway. . . go eat you Cheetos and leave the talk to the big kids.


Nope, nothing you've stated is clear actually. The magnetic highway is a function of the heliosphere and interstellar particles by the way.

The fact that you took my comment about Cheetos and repeated the same thing back throwing in "leave the talk to the big kids" shows how mentally undeveloped you are. You're talking about stellar bodies being "almost weightless" and it's only apparent to you why DM doesn't exist. Meanwhile, the most brilliant minds in the world are contemplating the mathematics behind DM, but theredpill is the savior mankind doesn't deserve with his inhuman comprehension of all things. The only thing the rest of us can't comprehend is what it's like to be an egomaniac of such high caliber.
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
Meanwhile, the most brilliant minds in the world are contemplating the mathematics behind DM,

That is about the funniest things I have read in decades! The plasma ignoramuses behind the search for DM are in fact among the most narrow minded non-thinking yes men society has ever created. Their maths based faerie tales are but imaginary conjecture put forth for pop-scf-fi trekkie fans like yourself.
granville583762
3.4 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
Theredpill occupying the vacuum
Theredpill > In space everything is weightless, so if you take two permanent magnets and try to push them together but leave one floating...it shoots away. This principle of magnetic repulsion applies to ALL BODIES. All stars have an external field of flux, voyager flew into our suns. At that distance, the flux density indicates the field extends deep into interstellar space... just like every stars field must. So we have a bunch of bodies with external fields that push against each other, that are weightless... but not totally because they are also gravitationally attracted to each other... now, isn't it pretty clear why nobody can find DM? Every stellar mass in the universe is "almost" weightless due to the distances between them.

All matter occupies the vacuum is weightless under the accelerative free fall of gravity, where electrical fields attract their oppositely charged matter!
jonesdave
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
Meanwhile, the most brilliant minds in the world are contemplating the mathematics behind DM,

That is about the funniest things I have read in decades! The plasma ignoramuses behind the search for DM are in fact among the most narrow minded non-thinking yes men society has ever created. Their maths based faerie tales are but imaginary conjecture put forth for pop-scf-fi trekkie fans like yourself.


Whereas thick buggers like you, who are incapable of understanding the science, are reduced to making sh!t up, and having to post it on places like this. How sad.
jonesdave
2.2 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
This isn't "EU Woo" , this is established physical relationships between objects and you haven't a hope of grasping it...


Then where the **** is it, woo boy? Who has written it up? Where have they done so? How am I supposed to evaluate something that only exists in what counts for your mind? You have no hypothesis. You don't understand even basic science. You are talking crap.

jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
Meanwhile, the most brilliant minds in the world are contemplating the mathematics behind DM,

That is about the funniest things I have read in decades! The plasma ignoramuses behind the search for DM are in fact among the most narrow minded non-thinking yes men society has ever created. Their maths based faerie tales are but imaginary conjecture put forth for pop-scf-fi trekkie fans like yourself.


And WTF has plasma got to do with DM, you cretin?
granville583762
2.6 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
Aberration of laser light, the 64 dollar question

The time the earth moves 90degrees to laser light, the earth orbits 1mile the laser has moved 1/186,282s, as the earth rotate this occurs every 180degrees or every 12 hours and as we all know the galaxy is moving 600km/s which equates 6/3000 or 1/500m/s
There is purpose in this enlightenment demonstration in the vacuum, the 64 dollar question - Apparently this aberration is undetectable even shining the laser from here to the moon
In the world of mass that occupies the vacuum gravity is obviously up to its old tricks again, electromagnetic radiations absolute zero velocity is relative to the earth at absolute zero as not travelling at 64,000mph or not travelling 600km/s, take your pick, otherwise we would be able to measure aberration every 12 hours and consequently laser alignment would not work which it patently does so we cannot measure aberration of laser light due to the earth's orbital motion occupying the vacuum!
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
^^^^Stop wasting pixels.
rrwillsj
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
pillock, you have made it clear that you, as well as the other fraudulent cultists have no understanding of the difference between Electro-Magnetic "Pull-me_Push-Me" and Gravitational "Attraction".

At that point you completely blew yourself away. Vividly displaying that you and the rest of woo-fakirs are incompetent students of Science. Every thing you post is too be disregarded as nonsense and ridiculed by the rest of us.
granville583762
3 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
Humpty dumpty on darkmatter the wall

What! No darkmatter, no plasma, - plasma equals nuclei without electrons - darkmatter has no equivalent of dark-plasma - the dark plot thickens, what else is this allusive darkmatter not consisting of..
If it gets any holier in its construction it will be able to enter a monastery and take up holy orders and confirm its vow of secrecy and silence!

And we thought the neutrino was elusive!
jonesdave
2.5 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
^^^^^^More pixels wasted.
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
and even more pixels wasted
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
And WTF has plasma got to do with DM, you cretin?

Everything, if the plasma ignoramuses treated the matter that pervades space correctly then the need for faerie dust evaporates.
granville583762
2.9 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
Even dark-pixels are in JDs world are a waste of pixels

As to the reason how the accretion galactic cloud managed to shift dark-dust to its core of the collapsing dust cloud will result in an automaton response from JD, you're wasting pixels!

Is JD sending a subliminal dark-message?
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (13) Oct 11, 2018
And WTF has plasma got to do with DM, you cretin?

Everything, if the plasma ignoramuses treated the matter that pervades space correctly then the need for faerie dust evaporates.


No, you idiot, it doesn't. What cretin told you that? The idiot Scott? The idiot Thornhill? Point us to the maths, woo child. Not a single relevantly qualified scientist is suggesting such crap.
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
JDs Specialist Subject, Darkmatter and his eco drive of wasting pixels

The way you are waxing lyrical on your specialist subject, darkmatter JD, you would think you're on the BBC "Top of the Form" No it can't be Top of the Form JD, as this means going back to school.

Top of the Form, a BBC radio and television quiz show for teams from secondary schools in the United Kingdom which ran for 38 years, from 1948 to 1986. The programme began on Saturday 1 May 1948, as a radio series, at 7.30pm on the Light Programme. It progressed to become a TV series from 1962 to 1975 https://en.wikipe...iz_show)
Whydening Gyre
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
"Funny that no one has posited that a gravity field, itself, has gravity...."

Why would they? Gravity is a product of mass interaction, there is no gravity field without mass...that's one of the reasons GR led to the DM hypothesis in the first place.

It's a property of accumulated mass.
Let's call it a "relativistic" effect.. a gravitational "red shift", if you will...
Kinda like photons have relative mass...
jonesdave
2.8 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
JDs Specialist Subject, Darkmatter and his eco drive of wasting pixels

The way you are waxing lyrical on your specialist subject, darkmatter JD, you would think you're on the BBC "Top of the Form" No it can't be Top of the Form JD, as this means going back to school.

Top of the Form, a BBC radio and television quiz show for teams from secondary schools in the United Kingdom which ran for 38 years, from 1948 to 1986. The programme began on Saturday 1 May 1948, as a radio series, at 7.30pm on the Light Programme. It progressed to become a TV series from 1962 to 1975 https://en.wikipe...iz_show)


Dafuq?
SillyOldGit
3.1 / 5 (14) Oct 11, 2018
Jones, you are outnumbered. Face it, there are just too many complete tossers infesting this backwater of the internet and the best thing that could happen would be the comments being shut down completely and the entire history of comments deleted..

With regret.

jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
Jones, you are outnumbered. Face it, there are just too many complete tossers infesting this backwater of the internet and the best thing that could happen would be the comments being shut down completely and the entire history of comments deleted..

With regret.



That is true. Sci-news did a similar thing when too many loons started posting. They reopened comments fairly recently, but I'm guessing they are modded.
granville583762
3 / 5 (12) Oct 11, 2018
Yes JD, we all used to sit round the wireless listening to top of the form, are we still all a waste of pixels!
SillyOldGit
2.5 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
Yes Granville, you are a complete waste and a tosser.
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
You must be physic
SillyOldGit> With regret.

SillyOldGit, you must be physic – if JD continues down the road of his choosing, you could set up shop foretelling for soothes with the new found time on your hands!
Whydening Gyre
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
There is no dark matter, it doesn't exist, so whether magnetism effects it is irrelevant. We are talking about stellar bodies with external fields light years apart in space...that are for all intents and purposes, weightless. GR and gravity calcs. all revolve around mass and the values we estimate based on 1G. Toss them away other than the inverse square rule for fields and you have extremely weak gravity pulling and extremely weak magnetism pushing, but since the bodies are weightless that is all it takes. I can't say it any simpler.

"Weight" is a colloquial descriptor for gravity in our local field. As far as we know, gravity ONLY pulls/attracts. Magnetism only repulses ONE HALF the time. The other half is attracting.
It does both, equally (when measuring locally).
However, if you add that TO Gravity, cosmic masses pull more than repulse.
They work together to balance out momentum.
I can't say it any simpler.
Whydening Gyre
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
Dafuq?

Is that French?
SillyOldGit
2.6 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
physic


Anyone care to translate what this idiot is trying to say?

granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
At the wishing well
SillyOldGit> Jones, you are outnumbered. Face it, there are just too many complete tossers infesting this backwater of the internet and the best thing that could happen would be the comments being shut down completely and the entire history of comments deleted..With regret.

SillyOldGit, be care full what you wish for, as you only have one wish
SillyOldGit
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
Granville, you stupid tosser, didn't you understand my post?
I would not miss the comments section at all.
It would be a kindness if it was removed so that future generations of physicists and astronomers don't get infected with the pseudoscience that you and the other tossers are peddling.
It is not a wish (they don't work any better than your woo), it is a hope for a better future.
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
That little children with gentle ears will once again be able to read this site safely

Interesting - SillyOldGit:- your psychic powers don't extend to spelling mistakes as it is your response to spelling mistakes that is maketh your only wish at the well of wish's cometh true old boy, if this be your wish so be it, at least we will be able to peruse this site without the obnoxious foul mouthed melodious language that is jonesdave's tongue, that little children with gentle ears will once again be able to read this site safely in the knowledge that no foul mouthed individuals let rip their expletives SillyOldGit...
SillyOldGit
2.8 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
Granville, you are an arse.

You have also graduated to my 'Ignore' list.
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 11, 2018
Wishing your wish cometh true

The language you have just used SillyOldGit, is unsuitable for little children perusing a science site from commentators of purportedly owning degrees SillyOldGit, on the use of your own vocabulary is sufficient for the elves at the wishing well to maketh your wish cometh true
granville583762
3.5 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
Does that mean SillyOldGit that we won't have to listen to your foul tongue, because if we do you have just wished a wishless wish!
Da Schneib
3.8 / 5 (10) Oct 11, 2018
Hmmmm, evidence is mounting against MOND. This galaxy is close and therefore easy to analyze. Let's see them extend this farther.
flashgordon
4.4 / 5 (7) Oct 11, 2018
I remember telling some modified gravity enthusiast that some galaxies have dark matter, other's loose it through interactions. This is in keeping with dark matter, and not modified gravity. How does gravity get modified in one instance(galaxies that have faster rotating stars on the outskirts), and those who don't?
Da Schneib
3.9 / 5 (11) Oct 11, 2018
How does gravity get modified in one instance(galaxies that have faster rotating stars on the outskirts), and those who don't?
It's actually more complicated than that, but you're looking in the right direction. The question is more like, "How can there be some galaxies that have MOND and some that don't?" MOND is a field theory. Different field theories for different galaxies doesn't make sense.
Parsec
4.5 / 5 (8) Oct 11, 2018
Unlike neutrinos that only interact with ordinary matter through gravity and the weak force, DM doesn't appear to interact with either.

People claiming that DM does somehow interact with magnetic or electric fields, or weak fields, or that some form of modified theory of gravity can explain observations, need to get off the lazy buts and show us the math to demonstrate what they are saying isn't utter nonsense.

Otherwise, they are just modern versions of the crackpots who claimed lead could be turned into gold, or perpetual motion machines would solve all our energy problems.
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 12, 2018
Point us to the maths, woo child. Not a single relevantly qualified scientist is suggesting such crap.

Math! Math! It's the only thing that matters!

There is more to science than just maths jonesdumb.
http://plasmauniv...vCos.pdf
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (12) Oct 12, 2018
explain observations, need to get off the lazy buts and show us the math to demonstrate what they are saying isn't utter nonsense


http://www.ptep-o...1-13.PDF

http://www.ptep-o...3-01.PDF

The maths and all, no faerie dust needed.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
"The analysis of the available data allowed the team to determine the mass distribution in NGC 3256. They found that there is a significant amount of invisible dynamical mass (around 48 billion solar masses) in the central region of the galaxy. The fraction of the invisible mass was calculated to be about 87 percent of the dynamical mass."


So they know that there is molecular Mass and Stellar Mass in the central region of that galaxy, but something that is invisible is also there, and it just HAS TO BE Dark Matter. It can't possibly be just an empty void. No. Every millimeter of Space has to be filled with SOMETHING.

The virulent push to establish Dark Matter as the invisible king of all places in the Cosmos where there is a hole that has to be filled - is gaining a lot of traction every time they put eye to telescope. And if they can't see it, they will simulate it and call it evidence.
Ojorf
3 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
The virulent push to establish Dark Matter as the invisible king of all places in the Cosmos where there is a hole that has to be filled - is gaining a lot of traction every time they put eye to telescope. And if they can't see it, they will simulate it and call it evidence.


Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
Your first comment said things are almost weightless, meaning nothing really is. Your comment about magnetic repulsion is meaningless with regard to dark matter since dark matter is completely unaffected by electromagnetic forces. Dark matter is, after all, dark. Why you brought it up a second time is a puzzle. So the only force acting on it is an attractive force, gravity.

You say there is no dark matter. How do you explain all the observations indicating that there is something "invisible" there?
says zz5555

In the Cosmos, everything that has Mass is weightless due to the Space it occupies.
Dark Matter doesn't exist in spite of the maths/equations that give it a place within the annals of science. Dark Matter is ONLY a SUGGESTION, and nothing more. If Dark Matter was real and was made up of Quantum particles, it would be readily seen and observed by telescope and eye. But since it cannot be seen, then it can't be made up of atomic particles. So it's not real,
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 12, 2018
The virulent push to establish Dark Matter as the invisible king of all places in the Cosmos where there is a hole that has to be filled - is gaining a lot of traction every time they put eye to telescope. And if they can't see it, they will simulate it and call it evidence.


Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?


I'm a Realist and I don't like Fake News within any field, be it journalism or science.
I have nothing against Einstein or the Relativities, as they have their place in science and, for the most part, they are true and can be proven.

But not Dark Matter and Dark Energy. There are no positives in the search for these, only wishful thinking and the rush to keep DM and DE as issues that are promoted constantly - almost with hysteria.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
explain observations, need to get off the lazy buts and show us the math to demonstrate what they are saying isn't utter nonsense


http://www.ptep-o...1-13.PDF

The maths and all, no faerie dust needed.
says cantdrive85

Thanks for those 2 copies, CD. I especially am interested in the one that is titled: Birkeland Currents and Dark Matter. It seems to be a fairly recent publication - 2018.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
Point us to the maths, woo child. Not a single relevantly qualified scientist is suggesting such crap.

Math! Math! It's the only thing that matters!

There is more to science than just maths jonesdumb.
http://plasmauniv...vCos.pdf
says CD85

Math equations are great in some areas; however, it is something that can be manipulated to provide an answer/formula that is an end result of the mathematician's bias for or against something. Even a simulation can be manipulated according to an input that reeks of bias, discrimination and preformed ideas/opinions.

Actual verifiable evidence that is observable multiple times without change is very rarely manipulatable.
Ojorf
3 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
I'm a Realist and I don't like Fake News within any field, be it journalism or science.
I have nothing against Einstein or the Relativities, as they have their place in science and, for the most part, they are true and can be proven.

But not Dark Matter and Dark Energy. There are no positives in the search for these, only wishful thinking and the rush to keep DM and DE as issues that are promoted constantly - almost with hysteria.


You contradict yourself. You cannot have both, either DM exists or Relativity is wrong.
So as a realist, what are you going to do now?
granville583762
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
An infinite sliding scale betwixt them
SEU> I'm a Realist and I don't like Fake News within any field, be it journalism or science.
I have nothing against Einstein or the Relativities, as they have their place in science and, for the most part, they are true and can be proven. But not Dark Matter and Dark Energy. There are no positives in the search for these, only wishful thinking and the rush to keep DM and DE as issues that are promoted constantly - almost with hysteria.

Ojorf> You contradict yourself. You cannot have both, either DM exists or Relativity is wrong So as a realist, what are you going to do now?

Relativity is authorship of the many friends of Albert explained in JDs infamous recent link, whereas also is darkmatter is of many cooks.
Neither is absolutely true as neither is absolutely false as there is an infinite sliding scale betwixt them.
The magic is looking for the absolute truth in each singly, as darkmatter and relativity!
Benni
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
either DM exists or Relativity is wrong.
Why?
hat1208
2.8 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
@Ojorf

Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?

It is called antisemitism.
cantdrive85
1.9 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
@Ojorf

Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?

It is called antisemitism

The garbage truck woke me up, antisemite!
The light turned red, antisemite!
The sun went down, antisemite!

What a jackass! Everything and everyone is an antisemite!
Steelwolf
2.3 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
Antisemitism is a word wielded as a weapon most often by those who do not really know what it means. Did you know that MOST actual Jews in the world are Not of Semitic origin, but are from Europe and Russia instead.

The Actual Semites are those Jews who grew up there in the Middle East along with the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian peoples as well as most of the Arabic Nations who ARE Semitic.

So, antisemitism as to mean Anti-jew, is a dead beaten horse that has no real meaning anymore except that uneducated propagandists use it as a epithet and negative label, without realizing that they are not Semites at all themselves, even though they cling to that mantle.
Ojorf
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
either DM exists or Relativity is wrong.
Why?


Because all the evidence for DM rests on Relativity you idiot.
From spacetime being basically flat, to the expansion of the universe to galaxy rotation curves to the CMB to ...

Relativity + DM explains all or observations.
Relativity - DM cannot even start, therefore if DM does not exist Relativity must be spectacularly wrong.

Relativity is not wrong so DM must exist.

Is that simple enough for all the pseudo-scientists here?
cantdrive85
2 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
Relativity is spectacularly wrong!
http://vixra.org/abs/1207.0018
RNP
3.5 / 5 (8) Oct 12, 2018
@rossim22
Now, who was it that was telling me all about how the term 'halos' is a misnomer and that
the reason the velocity curve of a galaxy is flat is because most of the DM is centrally located?


You are misquoting me. I said the DM density was highest in the centre, not that most of it was centrally concentrated. (N.B. the centre is a small volume, while the outer regions constitute tha vast majority of the volume.)

Stellar densities also increase towards the centre, in fact, even faster than does DM, meaning that, centrally, baryonic matter is of higher density still, so here it dominates, while in the outer regions DM dominates.

For examples in the scientific literature; see Fig. 3 of http://iopscience...825/1/31 and Fig. 3 of http://iopscience...765/1/25 .
hat1208
3.4 / 5 (5) Oct 12, 2018
@Steelwolf

So, antisemitism as to mean Anti-jew, is a dead beaten horse that has no real meaning anymore except that uneducated propagandists use it as a epithet and negative label, without realizing that they are not Semites at all themselves, even though they cling to that mantle.

Thank you mister knowledge now I understand.
granville583762
3.3 / 5 (7) Oct 12, 2018
What have you got against Albert Einstein?
Ojorf> Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?

hat1208> @Ojorf
Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?
it is called anti-Semitism.

Well hat1208, you appear to have well an truly nailed your colours to the mast

Albert Einstein was born in Ulm, in the Kingdom of Württemberg in the German Empire, on 14 March 1879.[5] His parents were Hermann Einstein, a salesman and engineer, and Pauline Koch. In 1880, the family moved to Munich, where Einstein's father and his uncle Jakob founded Elektrotechnische Fabrik J. Einstein & Cie, a company that manufactured electrical equipment based on direct current.

The Einsteins were non-observant Ashkenazi Jews, and Albert attended a Catholic elementary school in Munich, from the age of 5, for three years. At the age of 8, he was transferred to the Luitpold Gymnasium https://en.wikipe...Einstein
rossim22
2.2 / 5 (5) Oct 12, 2018
You are misquoting me. I said the DM density was highest in the centre, not that most of it was centrally concentrated. (N.B. the centre is a small volume, while the outer regions constitute tha vast majority of the volume.)

Stellar densities also increase towards the centre, in fact, even faster than does DM, meaning that, centrally, baryonic matter is of higher density still, so here it dominates, while in the outer regions DM dominates.


I didn't quote you so I can't be misquoting you. :)

I guess I'm still confused by your original rebuttal to my statement in the other thread. I said that flat rotation curve anomaly had to be resolved by placing a majority of dark matter on the outskirts of the galaxy.

That's when you mentioned how the term halo is a misnomer because DM density is highest in the center.

So, what was your original point then?
That the halo exists as stated but has minimal effect on the rotation curve compared to the central DM?
RNP
3.3 / 5 (7) Oct 12, 2018
@rossim22
I didn't quote you so I can't be misquoting you. :)

You said;

Now, who was it that was telling me... "most of the DM is centrally located".

This is definitely a misquote.

I said that flat rotation curve anomaly had to be resolved by placing a majority of dark matter on the outskirts of the galaxy.


This is factually incorrect. Matter outside any given radius in a galaxy has little effect on the motions of objects within that radius . (See https://en.wikipe..._theorem for a simple desciption of why.)

So, what was your original point then?
That the halo exists as stated but has minimal effect on the rotation curve compared to the central DM?


I do understand this question. Both stellar/baryonic and dark matter affect the rotation curve at all radii.
rossim22
3.7 / 5 (3) Oct 12, 2018
nvm
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (9) Oct 12, 2018
@steel
antisemitism as to mean Anti-jew, is a dead beaten horse that has no real meaning anymore except that uneducated propagandists
except you have it wrong

semite is:"a member [or b: descendent] of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs"
https://www.merri...y/Semite

per all the resources avalable, antisemitism is: Hostility to or prejudice against Jews.
https://en.oxford...semitism

https://www.adl.o...semitism

https://www.brita...Semitism

https://en.wikipe...semitism

https://www.dicti...semitism

like pseudoscience, fraud, religious fanatic or similar labels, it has meaning and though may well be used as an epithet, it is applicible when evidence clearly suggests antisemitic perspectives or actions
Old_C_Code
2.6 / 5 (5) Oct 13, 2018
"Dark matter can, and does, strongly interact with ordinary matter."

Then why does dark matter NOT REACT with ordinary matter or other dark matter in a galaxy merger?

Because it's make believe.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (12) Oct 13, 2018
Relativity is spectacularly wrong!
http://vixra.org/abs/1207.0018


Lol. The idiot Crothers on vixra! I'd be too ashamed to post anything on there! It is an admission of crackpottery.

https://rationalw...Crothers
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 14, 2018
I'm a Realist and I don't like Fake News within any field, be it journalism or science.
I have nothing against Einstein or the Relativities, as they have their place in science and, for the most part, they are true and can be proven.

But not Dark Matter and Dark Energy. There are no positives in the search for these, only wishful thinking and the rush to keep DM and DE as issues that are promoted constantly - almost with hysteria.


You contradict yourself. You cannot have both, either DM exists or Relativity is wrong.
So as a realist, what are you going to do now?
says Ojorf

Which relativity are you referring to?

If relativity is wrong, then of course Dark Matter doesn't exist.
And if Dark Matter doesn't exist, then relativity is wrong.
Surveillance_Egg_Unit
2.6 / 5 (5) Oct 14, 2018
The virulent push to establish Dark Matter as the invisible king of all places in the Cosmos where there is a hole that has to be filled - is gaining a lot of traction every time they put eye to telescope. And if they can't see it, they will simulate it and call it evidence.


Why do you hate Relativity?
What have you got against Einstein?
says Ojorf

Why would you imagine that I hate relativity?
Of Einstein: I have never met the gentleman.
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (8) Oct 14, 2018
@Ojorf, @SEU and @et al.

Why y'all STILL arguing over GR/DM?

GENERAL RELATIVITY theory is OK!...and works well...IF ALL relevant factors/quantities etc are included when applying it's maths; especially in NON-Keplerian situations like gals/clusters; and in a BH, wherein its extreme mass IS NOT in any sort of 'infinite density point/ring singularity feature' at its center (ie, BH mass is in the form of an EXTENDED (within Event Horizon) BODY of ULTIMATE-DEGENERATE 'QUARK-GLUON PLASMA' state that prevents 'infinite gravitational collapse', such that the UNREAL R=0 'calculation' NEVER applies in GR treatments of BH mass distribution within EH).

'PREVIOUSLY DARK' MATTER EXISTS in the form of ORDINARY MATTER as postulated by Zwicky long ago; he NEVER ASSUMED (only OTHERS SINCE) thit was in 'EXOTIC form that interacted only via gravity and not e-m) interacts via *BOTH* E-M and GRAVITY.and is NOW being INCREASINGLY FOUND everywhere in vast quantities!

Update your info, guys! :)
granville583762
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 14, 2018
A reality check on Albert
RealityCheck> Why y'all STILL arguing over GR/DM?

There is a myth that Einstein was a lonely genius who followed beautiful mathematics to discover his great theory – genius inspired by aesthetics; mathematics as a tool of prophecy. But, in fact, Einstein was neither very well educated in mathematics, nor very good at it. Nor did he work without collaborators. He depended on friends such as Marcel Grossmann to explain to him the mathematics on which general relativity is based, and he depended on other friends, such as Michele Besso, to find the correct interpretation of the mathematics https://insidethe...yteller/

RealityCheck, From this link from JD infamous link, it is clear what we thought was Albert's work is not his work, as physics is mathematics.

Albert's work relies on mathematics of Marcel Grossmann, Marcel Grossmann, Michele Besso and others on their interpretations of Albert's theorising!
RealityCheck
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 14, 2018
@ granville583762
...
...
Albert's work relies on mathematics of Marcel Grossmann, Marcel Grossmann, Michele Besso and others on their interpretations of Albert's theorising!
You and many other posters here may not be aware of this, but the greatest advance in theorizing about gravity was the NON-Newtonian physical perspective that space/vacuum is a 'thing' (an active vector field of action/effects) with effective physical properties (including 'pressure') which (amongst other quantum-dynamical effects) also tended to 'push' energy-mass 'bodies' together (rather than 'pull' them together as Newton's 'gravitational attraction'' had envisaged it). The GR maths came later, after SR was already worked out by Lorentz/Einstein et al. So, physical reality perspectives/postulates for GR came first, formalized mathematical GR theory developed later. :)
granville583762
3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
A reality check on Albert
granville583762> Albert's work relies on mathematics of Marcel Grossmann, Marcel Grossmann, Michele Besso and others on their interpretations of Albert's theorising

RealityCheck> the greatest advance in theorizing about gravity was the NON-Newtonian physical perspective that space/vacuum is a 'thing'.

RealityCheck, You've heard the saying – The Infinite Vacuum of Space – even if you don't agree with it you know precisely what it means!

Concerning the absolute velocity, the speed of light in the context of blackholes
Light Radius Stars can only compress matter to Gravities Light Radius and gravity is zero at the centre of mass where Radius R=2GM/C* is a blackhole derivation, even if you don't agree with it you know precisely what it means RealityCheck!

Gravities Light Radius can be no greater than C (event horizon) where blackholes density is 1/4 as R and M doubles and gravity is zero at centre of mass, R=2GM/C*!
granville583762
3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
A reality check on Albert

RealityCheck, You appear have placed insistence on mathematics as the very existence of blackholes relies in the mathematical formula R=2GM/C*.
As nothing can surpass the velocity of Light C, is why the phrase Light Radius Star was coined from the formula R=2GM/C*

Because gravity G travels at C, gravity cannot compress matter great than C which is Gravities Light Radius, or more colloquially known as the event horizon

So even if you do not agree with all that I'm saying RealityCheck, it is consistant, down to earth, and Albert would also see the point, and as your rightly in Albert's defence, Albert would point out that as your occupying the vacuum as RealityCheck, he would also point out to you, the vacuum by definition is the infinite vacuum of space and the force of gravity is the quantum particle the Graviton!

Because the vacuum is not an entity but the infinite vacuum of space!
The Michelson–Morley experiment .
FredJose
1.9 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
Where there is no light, there is darkness.....

Where there is no vision, the people perish.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Dark Matter and Dark Energy - sounds sooooooo appropriate!
FredJose
1.7 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
Where there is no light, there is darkness.....

Where there is no vision, the people perish.

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Dark Matter and Dark Energy - sounds sooooooo appropriate!
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
RealityCheck, From this link from JD infamous link, it is clear what we thought was Albert's work is not his work, as physics is mathematics.


It was not my link, you thick, lying prick. Quit with the lying, arsehole.
granville583762
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.
jonesdave
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.


If you can't write comprehensible English, then why not just give up? You are contributing nothing other than incomprehensible gibberish, you deluded fool.
Benni
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
If you can't write comprehensible English, then why not just give up? You are contributing nothing other than incomprehensible gibberish, you deluded fool.


Ira?
granville583762
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
JDs infamous link - Einstein, storyteller
RealityCheck, From this link from JD infamous link, it is clear what we thought was Albert's work is not his work, as physics is mathematics.

It was not my link, you thick, lying prick. Quit with the lying, arsehole.

He doth protest most strongly, is it any wonder nobody believes JD, with out JDs link no one needed know dear old Albert left his mathematics to more qualified mathematicians to solve his theory of GR and SR.
So here is the link so kindly presented to us all by the polite, courteous gentlemanly JD.
https://insidethe...yteller/
cantdrive85
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
If you can't write comprehensible English, then why not just give up? You are contributing nothing other than incomprehensible gibberish, you deluded fool.

It has already been noted the eloquence with which Granville pens his posts, a magniloquent Shakespearean with a gift to mystify the dull-witted among us.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
JDs infamous link - Einstein, storyteller
RealityCheck, From this link from JD infamous link, it is clear what we thought was Albert's work is not his work, as physics is mathematics.

It was not my link, you thick, lying prick. Quit with the lying, arsehole.

He doth protest most strongly, is it any wonder nobody believes JD, with out JDs link no one needed know dear old Albert left his mathematics to more qualified mathematicians to solve his theory of GR and SR.
So here is the link so kindly presented to us all by the polite, courteous gentlemanly JD.
https://insidethe...yteller/


Quit the f***ing, lying, you soft prick. Here is the link I provided, you lying scumbag:

https://insidethe...lecture/

Now, do us all a favour, and f*** off, you lying piece of sh!t.

jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
If you can't write comprehensible English, then why not just give up? You are contributing nothing other than incomprehensible gibberish, you deluded fool.

It has already been noted the eloquence with which Granville pens his posts, a magniloquent Shakespearean with a gift to mystify the dull-witted among us.


Not by anyone with two brain cells to rub together, it hasn't.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
If you can't write comprehensible English, then why not just give up? You are contributing nothing other than incomprehensible gibberish, you deluded fool.

It has already been noted the eloquence with which Granville pens his posts, a magniloquent Shakespearean with a gift to mystify the dull-witted among us.


Lol, says the dimwit that believes Earth used to orbit Saturn! dull-witted, or what?

jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
JDs infamous link - Einstein, storyteller
RealityCheck, From this link from JD infamous link, it is clear what we thought was Albert's work is not his work, as physics is mathematics.

It was not my link, you thick, lying prick. Quit with the lying, arsehole.

He doth protest most strongly, is it any wonder nobody believes JD, with out JDs link no one needed know dear old Albert left his mathematics to more qualified mathematicians to solve his theory of GR and SR.
So here is the link so kindly presented to us all by the polite, courteous gentlemanly JD.
https://insidethe...yteller/


Show me where I posted that link, or admit that you are a lying scumbag. In fact, if you can't, it'll be taken as read, dumbo.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
Show me where I posted that link, or admit that you are a lying scumbag. In fact, if you can't, it'll be taken as read, dumbo.


Come on dickhead, I'm waiting.
granville583762
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
Oh the tangled web we weave

And as if to drive the point to our subconscious that JD craves to prove he truly is the owner of the now - JDs infamous link - Einstein, storyteller - He provides the web page to all the world where our dear old Albert revealed the true mathematical friends who helped there old friend dear old Albert in his hour of need

Will dear old JD take lesson in revealing to the world where your linked papers, as this web link of JDs is exactly what he always craves from each and every one of us, as on each link JD provides to prove his point, on that page are links and so by supplying us with links JD, you become ownership of any related links on your link, and as dear old Albert was a related subject JD, is why it was there for you to read JD.

However doth you protest, you our now proudly ownership of your now Infamous Link JD.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
However doth you protest, you our now proudly ownership of your now Infamous Link JD.


Listen, you thick lying piece of sh!t; show me where I linked to that article. You can't because you are lying. Now f*** off, liar.
granville583762
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
However doth you protest, you our now proudly ownership of your now Infamous Link JD.


Listen, you thick lying piece of sh!t; show me where I linked to that article. You can't because you are lying. Now f*** off, liar.

And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
However doth you protest, you our now proudly ownership of your now Infamous Link JD.


Listen, you thick lying piece of sh!t; show me where I linked to that article. You can't because you are lying. Now f*** off, liar.

And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.


P!ss off, you lying cretin. Post the link to where I linked to Smolin's article, or admit that as well as being scientifically illiterate, that you are also a compulsive liar. Can't do it, can you? So, liar it is. Now go away, you weird tosser.
granville583762
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
However doth you protest, you our now proudly ownership of your now Infamous Link JD.


Listen, you thick lying piece of sh!t; show me where I linked to that article. You can't because you are lying. Now f*** off, liar.

And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.


P!ss off, you lying cretin. Post the link to where I linked to Smolin's article, or admit that as well as being scientifically illiterate, that you are also a compulsive liar. Can't do it, can you? So, liar it is. Now go away, you weird tosser.

And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
And so you go in to your horribis of jonesdave, da schneib, stumps, there are others but none so place holder, it is a sickly horribis existence you have created for your selves that it is difficult to tell you apart as you are as one JD.


And you are a self-confessed liar. Which is why you cannot link to where you lied about me linking to an article that I never linked to, and have to resort to posting the same incomprehensible gibberish, that has no relevance to the lie that you admit telling. Very, very sad. Liar.
RNP
5 / 5 (5) Oct 15, 2018
@granville583762
JDs infamous link

I have spent a lot of time trying to find the link to which you keep referring, but to no avail.

This makes me think that JD is right and you are just making it up.

Please, for everybody following your posts, give us the link that you find so "infamous".
granville583762
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
The puzzle

JD even under these enlightened times, there are limits, as each melodious utterances is cumulative, and will in time reach a critical mass, that in the larger scheme of life will not go unnoticed
As if without melodious utterances, if you care to add your twopence worth to the reason why, are ears are all agog with anticipation!
jonesdave
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
The puzzle

JD even under these enlightened times, there are limits, as each melodious utterances is cumulative, and will in time reach a critical mass, that in the larger scheme of life will not go unnoticed
As if without melodious utterances, if you care to add your twopence worth to the reason why, are ears are all agog with anticipation!


Just admit you lied. Liar. Quit with the gibberish, bozo.
granville583762
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
Let your eye balls do the walking
@granville583762
JDs infamous link

RNP> I have spent a lot of time trying to find the link to which you keep referring, but to no avail.
This makes me think that JD is right and you are just making it up.
Please, for everybody following your posts, give us the link that you find so "infamous".

You let your eye balls do the walking and they lead you to JDs infamous link!
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
Please, for everybody following your posts, give us the link that you find so "infamous".


He can't, as I didn't post it. I posted a link to a lecture by Avery Broderick;

https://insidethe...lecture/

He found a different link on the same page, doesn't understand Jack about it, and claims I linked to it. He is quite obviously lying, otherwise he'd have linked back to my original comment by now. He tried the same trick in the original thread. Despite it being obvious that my link was to the lecture. Uneducated cranks are one thing; lying, uneducated cranks are another matter.
RNP
4 / 5 (4) Oct 15, 2018
Let your eye balls do the walking
@granville583762
JDs infamous link

RNP> I have spent a lot of time trying to find the link to which you keep referring, but to no avail.
This makes me think that JD is right and you are just making it up.
Please, for everybody following your posts, give us the link that you find so "infamous".

You let your eye balls do the walking and they lead you to JDs infamous link!


This is a transparently dishonest response, for which you should be ashamed. In future, either answer the question, or shut up.
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
Let your eye balls do the walking
@granville583762
JDs infamous link

RNP> I have spent a lot of time trying to find the link to which you keep referring, but to no avail.
This makes me think that JD is right and you are just making it up.
Please, for everybody following your posts, give us the link that you find so "infamous".

You let your eye balls do the walking and they lead you to JDs infamous link!


So show us where it is, you f***ing liar! Do it now. No more f***ing gibberish, you tosspot. Link to it, cretin. Lying piece of uneducated sh!t.
granville583762
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
Linked links

If the editors of phys.org RNP, hear your having in difficulties finding their links on phys.org, pretend you did not say it, as if on any web page RNP.
RNP
4 / 5 (4) Oct 15, 2018
@granville583762
Because of you unwillingness to actualIy have a serious discourse, I have reported you for inappropriate behaviour.
granville583762
2 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
Little children can no longer read this site

RNP, the times you have ended your conversations and the swear words I have endured with out stooping to swearing as you can see JD is making no bones about it, that little children can no longer read this site
Is this the site you want, or do want a site as cantdrive85 describes it
If you can't write comprehensible English, then why not just give up? You are contributing nothing other than incomprehensible gibberish, you deluded fool.

It has already been noted the eloquence with which Granville pens his posts, a magniloquent Shakespearean with a gift to mystify the dull-witted among us.

I know which one I would choose - cantdrives85s world any day RNP!
RNP
4.2 / 5 (5) Oct 15, 2018
@granville583762
RNP, the times you have ended your conversations and the swear words I have endured with out stooping to swearing


Please supply a link in which I endend my conversation swearing (I very rarely use swear words).

I think you are just inventing things again.

jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 15, 2018
^^^^^Still refusing to admit you lied, I see. For those that want to check out the original post, in which I linked to the Avery Broderick lecture, it is here;

https://phys.org/...ter.html

4th post from the top;

For anybody interested in the real science of BHs, rather than Benni's uneducated ramblings, then there was a lecture yesterday from the Perimeter Institute, regarding the Event Horizon Telescope, and its search for the EH of the SMBH at the galactic centre. Sounds like it'll be early 2019 before all the cranks have to eat humble pie. Or, more likely, make up more uneducated rubbish, as they always do when observation contradicts their dogma;

https://insidethe...=twitter

Full video = 85 mins.


jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (9) Oct 15, 2018
@granville583762
RNP, the times you have ended your conversations and the swear words I have endured with out stooping to swearing


Please supply a link in which I endend my conversation swearing (I very rarely use swear words).

I think you are just ***inventing*** things again.



Lying, is the word you are looking for :)
granville583762
2.1 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
I have provided the link countless times, JD has provided the link countless times, as I have explained countless time the link is on JDs linked page

P I insidetheperimeter put dear old Albert's link on JDs link as it is a related subject RNP.
Your embarrassing phys.org, when the staff, on a dreary day have nothing to do, come across this discussion on yourself RNP having difficulty in finding Einstein, storyteller on https://insidetheperimeter.ca/

I'm not sure whether they would laugh or cry RNP.
jonesdave
3 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
I have provided the link countless times, JD has provided the link countless times, as I have explained countless time the link is on JDs linked page

P I insidetheperimeter put dear old Albert's link on JDs link as it is a related subject RNP.
Your embarrassing phys.org, when the staff, on a dreary day have nothing to do, come across this


No, you lying, backsliding, piece of crap; you claimed that I linked to the Smolin article. I didn't, liar.
You found that article beneath the article I linked to. Look at my link. Does it mention anything to do with Einstein? Or does it mention the Event Horizon Telescope? Quit the lying, you piece of sh!t.
If I link to a sports story on Manchester City, and you find an article linked on the same page to a Chelsea match report, is that my link? Does it imply that I support Chelsea? You lied. Just admit it, weirdo.
RNP
4.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
@granville583762
I have provided the link countless times,

No you have not!!!!!

Go on... prove me wrong provide it again.

I bet you can't.

You are despicable, and a horrible example of a human being.

P.S. Note: No swear words used (or needed) to expose you.
Ojorf
3.7 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
RNP, the times you have ended your conversations and the swear words I have endured with out stooping to swearing as you can see JD is making no bones about it, that little children can no longer read this site


And Granville, if you made sensible posts, instead of writing mostly lies, gibberish and pseudoscience, no one would swear at you and the poor kiddies would once again be able to read this site.
granville583762
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
As we enter the world of revelations

Well that's a revelation RNP, if you can prove I have not been sworn at, you can apply to phys.org for a congressional medal of honour, for you and your chums, for keeping these boards free of overly foul language, if you can prove I have not been sworn at on these boards, the case you're putting for blackholes will have more believable force of argument RNP.
granville583762
2.5 / 5 (8) Oct 15, 2018
Through the Bridge of Sighs in Cambridge

Ojorf, it matters not the reason why, there is no reason for swearing on phys.org!
Phys.org is a scientific site for graduates, professors and any member of the public is free to place their textual comments Ojorf.

The overriding request by phys,org and all, there is no foul language Ojorf, and as we pass through the Bridge of Sighs in St John's College in Cambridge, I do not hear one single foul word Ojorf, and we expect the same on phys.org!
jonesdave
2.3 / 5 (6) Oct 15, 2018
Ojorf, it matters not the reason why, there is no reason for swearing on phys.org!


When idiots like you are posting endless scientifically illiterate crap, and then lying into the bargain, then swearing should not surprise you. If you made false accusations such as you made in my local pub, you'd be going home in an ambulance. Consider yourself lucky.
cantdrive85
2.7 / 5 (7) Oct 15, 2018
Consider yourself lucky.

How low brow can you go? jonesdumb puts it on display.

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