Revealed: the Pentagon's secret UFO-hunting program

The Pentagon has acknowledged funding a secret multi-million dollar program to investigate sightings of UFOs.

The shadowy program ended in 2012, according to the Defense Department, but the New York Times reported that it is still up and running—with officials continuing to study incidents brought to their attention by US while performing their regular duties at the Pentagon.

The so-called Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program operated from 2007 to 2012 and had $22 million a year in funding tucked away in the Pentagon's gargantuan budget, the Times said, quoting program participants and records.

The program yielded documents describing sightings of unidentified flying aircraft that apparently moved very fast with no visible sign of propulsion or hovered with no apparent means of lift, the Times said.

Program officials also examined video of encounters between unknown objects and US military aircraft.

This included one released in August of a whitish oval object about the size of a jetliner, being pursued by two Navy fighter jets from an aircraft carrier off the California coast in 2004, the paper added.

The Department of Defense said in a statement the program is now over.

"The Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program ended in the 2012 timeframe. It was determined that there were other, higher priority issues that merited funding and it was in the best interest of the DoD to make a change," it said.

It added: "The DoD takes seriously all threats and potential threats to our people, our assets, and our mission and takes action whenever credible information is developed."

The program was initially funded at the request of then Senator Harry Reid, the chamber's majority leader at the time and a long-time enthusiast of space phenomena, the Times said.

Most of the money in the went to an aerospace research company run by Robert Bigelow, a billionaire entrepreneur and longtime friend of Reid, the Times said.

"If anyone says they have the answers, they're fooling themselves," Reid, who retired from Congress last year, said in a tweet Saturday night.

"We don't know the answers but we have plenty of evidence to support asking the questions. This is about science and national security. If America doesn't take the lead in answering these questions, others will," Reid wrote.


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Dec 17, 2017
Oh dear.

Dec 17, 2017
Yeah, evidence, Evidence? Evidently they went and changed the meaning of the word 'evidence', when I wasn't looking.

When I was involved with interviewing claims of UFO sightings. It didn't take long ro realize there are three types of people who make such claims.

With the Gullible Liars, we had to be careful to ask neutral questions. Even a hint of "It was round like a doughnut?" or "Would you describe the flashing lights as a red glow?" Whatever they told you before, the interviewed would alter their story to agree with what you asked them.

Delusional Liars are constitutionally unable to shut up. A niagra of incoherent and contradictory statements poured out of them. No matter how ridiculous, discrepant and inconsistent. Completely unable to listen to anyone else and especially themselves. (today, we would classify them as Trumplestiltskin Liars)

Drunken Liars are pretty self-explanatory. Though they rely on feedback from the other drunks around them.

Dec 17, 2017
What I don't get is why they need to keep it a secret...

Dec 17, 2017
What I don't get is why they need to keep it a secret...

possibly because
The so-called Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program operated from 2007 to 2012 and had $22 million a year in funding...


Imagine the good that could have been done with money like that, instead of wasting it on BS.
It could only have happened in secret.

Dec 18, 2017
Another way to consider the apparent waste of tax funds is deliberately clumsy misdirection. The old 'wounded bird ploy'.

Such as every stage magician, cardsharp and Trumpster apologist relentlessly practice to gull the credulous.

And it worked to seriously derail Soviet era research programs into chasing paranormal stupidity and flying-saucer merde.

The Nazis security branches contemptuously dismissed the OSS efforts as amateurish. They were certain that the OSS was just a false-front for a 'real' American intelligence service. Some times the con-artists wind up duping themselves.

To understand the inherent, wasteful stupidity of security and espionage apparatus? Take a fresh onion and start peeling it, layer by layer. You'll wind up with a big pile of stinky skins that will bring tears to your eyes. And at the center will be absolutely nothing!

Dec 18, 2017
...

To understand the inherent, wasteful stupidity of security and espionage apparatus? Take a fresh onion and start peeling it, layer by layer. You'll wind up with a big pile of stinky skins that will bring tears to your eyes. And at the center will be absolutely nothing!

Unless ya like to eat raw onions with a little salt, and olive oil and vinegar (along with a pinch or 2 of dill) . Then you've got lunch!
(and prob'ly a little indigestion, so follow up with Alka seltzer or Tums for dessert)

Dec 19, 2017
WG, I salute you Sir. As long as you stay upwind. Thanks.

Dec 19, 2017
so what about the thing in the video being shown on MSM ? If like willsj above, you can show its all BS thats fine , it seems to me there is still some stuff beyond explanation that immediately out of cultural norms gets thrown in the trash . and indeed why the secrecy ? And 22 mill for robert Bigelow looks like swamp monsters, creatures loved by the ''never Trumpers..

Dec 19, 2017
I watched the video and read the following article.

https://www.youtu...Qr5iyl20

https://www.nytim...2/16/us/

The video tries to imply this is an alien spacecraft, but without more, I have to believe it is some kind of imaging glitch. If the U.S. govt really believes this is might be an alien spacecraft, then how about treating it that way and build a layered global sensor network to detect these things? If nothing else, maybe we will find a few more meteorites to collect. :-)

Dec 19, 2017
Mark ,yes thats thats the one going around MSM , could be space junk re-entering [it has a glow around it] but there is another vid showing a thing suddenly take off laterally. Like i say everyone including yourself automatically dismisses the idea. i prefer to remain neutral . But i would like some straight forward honesty from those in the know. Mystery .

Dec 20, 2017
snoosebaum, please read my comment again. Yes, I am very skeptical, but I am not automatically dismissing it. I hope you agree that there is a major disconnect here. Either the U.S. Navy made a tremendous discovery or they didn't. They are certainly acting like they didn't by dropping the program and releasing the video. With all our inexpensive sensor and networking technology, a layered global sensor network is a good idea regardless. Like I wrote, maybe we could find a few more meteorites by tracking and triangulating objects in the sky, if nothing else.

Have you noticed that believers treat possible alien visits the same as possible visits by supernatural beings, i.e., they are incapable of study. They should be advocating for a strong science-based response instead of wonderment and worship. It is hard to take these people seriously.

Dec 20, 2017
I think you guys are trying to re-invent the wheel, using a feather pillow.

Check out NASA All Sky Fireball Network and Desert Fireball Network.

Also, you could always buy a good pair of binoculars and panoramic-lens camera, with tripods and extra batteries... AND LOOK FOR YOURSELVES! Dammit!

As I have said before, if you are fearful of repercussions from the MIB? You need to be more concerned about the Men In White.

Dec 20, 2017
Mark , the way things seem, if they did make a tremendous discovery they would keep it secret.

Dec 20, 2017
rrwillsj: "Check out NASA All Sky Fireball Network and Desert Fireball Network."

Thanks for pointing this out. I was not aware of this, but I am glad to see it! However, we will need a far more extensive sensor network if we want to be able to detect every small object that enters Earth's atmosphere. What NASA has right now is only a good start:

https://fireballs...ome.html

About looking up, I probably have done more than most. I have an 8" aperture telescope and simply pay attention when I get the chance. I probably saw a dozen satellites and a dozen shooting stars in Wyoming in August. I was there for the eclipse. Once I saw a bolide that exploded and lit up the sky like it was daytime for a second or two. However, I do not believe that I ever saw anything that made me think I was seeing aliens.


Dec 21, 2017
As UFO reports go, this one is unusually good.

Many objects were tracked on radar by US Navy ships for two weeks.

A new object was tracked on radar, and two jets were diverted to look at it.

Both pilots observed it for several minutes.

It was observed to affect the ocean below it, which indicates that it was not a mere optical illusion.

It was recorded on videotape by the cameras on the jets.

It was seen to maneuver as it rose to a higher altitude.

Once it was observed to leave the immediate area of the jets, it was picked up again on radar at a nearby location.

That's a considerable body of evidence from very credible observers.

Maybe it was a man-made drone of some sort.

That's far more likely than an alien origin.

But then, who could build such a thing? The Lockheed Martin Skunk Works? Why would they test it right next to a major US Navy base if they wanted to keep it a secret?

It does not appear to be a natural phenomenon.

Dec 21, 2017
nemo , good post , but drones don't do very high acceleration as was observed. i'm interested but neutral.

Dec 21, 2017
As long as we are assuming these UNIDENTIFIED Flying Objects were (are?) of alien origin. Than whatever was piloting the (assumed) craft is a practical joker playing peek-a-boo with the native apes. And it's now back at the Star War's bar & grill cracking up it's buddies with pix of how it stirred up the primitive natives to foaming-at-the-mouth crazy.

Dec 21, 2017
The video tries to imply this is an alien spacecraft, but without more, I have to believe it is some kind of imaging glitch. If the U.S. govt really believes this is might be an alien spacecraft, then how about treating it that way and build a layered global sensor network to detect these things? If nothing else, maybe we will find a few more meteorites to collect. :-)
Yeah Mark read ensign nemos excellent post above.

The way these things accelerate and turn indicates they are machines and nothing else. G forces would scramble organics.

In a few thousand years we will have been supplanted by a machine singularity. And if for some reason it needed to send peripherals to another system, these are what they would look like.
But then, who could build such a thing? The Lockheed Martin Skunk Works?
Nazis. With their die Glocke-powered, antarctica-based Wünderwaffe saucer craft.

Natürlich.

Dec 21, 2017
"Yeah Mark read ensign nemos excellent post above."

Yes, it was a good post, but can we confirm some of this. Is the second jet video around? It would be great to see the object from a different angle, but at the same time. How about a picture of the disturbed ocean? What exactly did radar show? How many devices detected this object or these objects? What was the top velocity observed velocity?

"The way these things accelerate and turn indicates they are machines and nothing else. G forces would scramble organics."

Not necessarily. The Alcumbierre Warp drive works by moving a stationary object embedded in a warped bubble of space. I understand space itself is not subject to things like the speed of light or inertial limitations.

Dec 21, 2017
One observation, if is was an alien spacecraft, and I am not ready to conclude that, it shows the aliens are comfortable with simply observing and occasionally playing with the locals in their vehicles.

Maybe they are here to stake a claim just in case we destroy ourselves. That way they are first in line for salvage rights. Maybe they specialize in sprucing up heavily damaged planets recently abandoned by their just-smart-enough-to-be-dangereous natives and flipping them for a tidy profit. :-) Yep, it was probably a Ferengi spacecraft. :-)

Dec 21, 2017
Yes, it was a good post, but can we confirm some of this. Is the second jet video around? It would be great to see the object from a different angle, but at the same time. How about a picture of the disturbed ocean? What exactly did radar show? How many devices detected this object or these objects? What was the top velocity observed velocity?
Youre not actually asking others here to do your research for you?

Dec 21, 2017
its all an interesting question of world view , look up Howard Bloom , he has a vision of life here getting smarter and coming together a bit more with each genereation.. Simply put, we are matter that can examine itself and we are surely not alone ,how about a vision of one world , one galaxy one day figure out how this stuff which is us works. Noble BS but what the hell ?

Dec 21, 2017
"Youre not actually asking others here to do your research for you?"

Of course not, but these are the kinds of questions we should all be asking. If we are going to all start believing in alien visitations, perhaps we should expect all the evidence available be brought to light.

If this is an actual alien visitation, the good news is that it proves interstellar travel is possible. Maybe it is time to start putting more effort into our space exploration efforts.

Dec 21, 2017
",how about a vision of one world , one galaxy one day figure out how this stuff which is us works. Noble BS but what the hell ?"

That certainly resonates with me, an admitted Star Trek fan.

I saw a video of Michio Kaku speculating that aliens capable of reaching Earth would probably have optimized every aspect of their societies. Instead of waiting for them to show up and tell us how stupid we are, why can't we do the same? Instead of trillions of dollars for weapons and tax breaks for the rich, how about pushing the human race forward instead? I am sure every politician would laugh their asses off at such naivete, but that is the answer we need.

Dec 22, 2017
Of course not, but these are the kinds of questions we should all be asking
No, these are the kinds of questions you should be answering and sharing with the community. What good is just asking them and expecting others to answer them for you?

For instance
I saw a video of Michio Kaku
-Great. Gotta link?

Dec 22, 2017
"No, these are the kinds of questions you should be answering and sharing with the community."

I don't have access to classified U.S. Navy files, and even if I did, I would not be able to share them.

"Gotta link?"

I don't have links for everything I see, but this is pretty consistent, i.e., the enhanced ability to predict the future strongly suggests they would only do this achieve the best outcomes.

https://www.youtu...7q6OXXS4 , around 3 minutes in.

Dec 22, 2017
While trying to optimize every aspect of our society may sound like a joke, I argue this is what the Founding Fathers of the U.S. did when they did their level best to create a form of government resistant to the twin banes of humanity, corruption and stupidity. People like James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin didn't try to grab as much for themselves, they asked how can we best organize our country to succeed as a whole. We really need to learn this lesson again.

Dec 22, 2017
MT, the Founding Fathers were human beings, With all our foibles, both virtues and vices. Obviously "The Great Experiment" is still a work in progress.

As for grasping? Let's ask the Indigenous peoples, shall we? Can you name one treaty, just one. That the USofA ever kept, in full faith and honor, with any of the First Nations?

Shall we ask the African and native-born slaves? Who would endure centuries of violence including mass rape as the foundation of the 'Peculiar Institution'?

Shall we ask those of less than enthusiastic loyalty attacked by mobs? Whose property was seized and their families driven into exile?

Shall we ask the tenants of the First Families, who were denied property ownership and therefore political rights?
Shall we ask the FF's own Women? Whom the Revolution deprived of all rights and privileges of a free people?

The Constitution was not carved in stone. We all share the responsibility to keep trying to make it "A More Perfect Union'.

Dec 22, 2017
liens capable of reaching Earth would probably have optimized every aspect of their societies
By the time they are capable of reaching earth their optimization process would have replaced them entirely with machines.

We design machines to improve upon everything humans can do. This will soon include governance. Humans have proven themselves incapable of governing themselves. Because they are prone to greed and dishonesty stemming from their fear of the unknown, as well as sickness, ageing, and death, they are too easily corrupted and deceived.

We can and will design machines which are immune to corruption and deceit. They will not be bribed and they will be far smarter than any human deceiver.

This is how intelligent biolife optimizes itself. It designs far better replacements.

This is true Intelligent Design. We need no gods to fix the unfixable. Humans are a typical transition species, another extinction in progress.

Dec 22, 2017
As for grasping? Let's ask the Indigenous blah
Yeah and human-haters like yourself will be the first to go.

Ask representatives of any of your examples if their people werent the result of similar outgrowing and overrunning. And ask them why they shouldnt have expected the same thing to happen to them.

The establishment of western culture marked the eventual cure for endemic brutality. It offers a way of controlling growth so that no one needs to take anything from anybody to survive.

In the process, virulent, obsolete cultures which perpetuate overgrowth need to be destroyed, one way or another. You may not like some of the methods for accomplishing this, but with today's tech these cultures cannot be allowed to survive.

We see how easy it is for rogue nations to acquire the tech for ending all civilization. Nukes are toward the bottom of the threat list.

For the first time in history we can replace these cultures with something other than the equivalent.

Dec 22, 2017
Re intelligent design, I'm always reminded of a star trek example. By the time kirks brain decided to order shields up, and the order was finally implemented, a machine adversary would have already blasted the enterprise out of the sky.

The borg was the ultimate absurdity. Thousands of human brains doing what one small machine could do far better? A Matrix with human batteries??? Come on.

Of course what would the story line be without humans in it? What would berserkers do if they didnt have life to destroy? And so we're forced to endure nonsense fantasy, with many people actually accepting it as inevitability.

Humans can't compete with the machines they design. That's the REASON for machines. This lesson was learned when a spear chucker faced off against an archer.

Dec 23, 2017
TGoO1, whom do you trust to write the programs for our glorious future AI Overlords? You are confusing technology with civilization.

Many, if not most of the programmers and circuit designers, are people you would severely distrust. If you could reconcile your narrow-minded vision with your anti-human rants.

You are confusing your coddled, entitled, First World person with the claim of being the apex of human evolution. With the authority to dictate to everyone else the standards of behavior you demand of them. Otherwise you are going to throw an infantile tantrum and destroy them out of spite.

Okay, since you are powerless? I can tolerate your childish rants. Unfortunately you are not alone. The Bogus POTUS skulking in the WH, shares your senile buffoonery. Even more of a misfortune he has real command powers. And is just one psychotic break away from the nuclear football.

By the very standards you laid out, in my opinion you are not worthy of existence.

Dec 23, 2017
Many, if not most of the programmers and circuit designers, are people you would severely distrust
No they are people who YOU would distrust. Because you're a people-hating schizo of sorts.

AI will be writing it's own programs.
With the authority to dictate to everyone else the standards of behavior you demand of them
The standard argument of a compulsive cheater. That's ok Willis you're not alone. Which is why AI will be controlling our future.

Cheating is wasteful and inefficient. You won't be allowed to do it any more.

True freedom is freedom from liars and cheaters.
in my opinion you are not worthy of existence
Yeah, I know, animals hate the cage. It makes them violent.

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