Study shows conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals

March 9, 2017 by Bob Yirka report
Credit: Francisco Farias Jr/public domain

A team of researchers led by the University of Queensland's Matthew Hornsey has found evidence that suggests people who are conservative are less likely to apologize than are those who are more liberal. In their paper published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, the group describes their study and offer their results and some opinions on why there may be differences between the two groups.

Apologies have taken on a new form in the age—where once they were words used by one individual to another, or perhaps a small group, today, they can be messages from well-known people wishing to maintain a certain public persona. But as Hornsey noted in a recent interview with the press, some types of people seem to apologize more than others. He had noticed that liberal politicians and other notables seemed to offer more public apologies then their conservative counterparts. Intrigued, he gathered with colleagues to conduct a study.

The first part of the study consisted of drafting a survey which they then sent to 2,130 people living in Chile, Hong Kong, Russia, Peru, Australia, China and the United States. The survey inquired about how willing were to apologize and under what circumstances. In analyzing the results, they found that those who considered themselves conservative did, indeed, report apologizing less than those who considered themselves to be liberal. They also found that conservatives also appeared to be less influenced by an apology from another, which translated to being less likely to forgive a transgression just because someone apologized for it.

The team then conducted a second experiment, this time with 65 volunteers, 38 from India and 27 from America. Each was asked individually to imagine they had been asked to water their neighbor's lawn while the neighbor went on vacation and that they had done a poor job of it. The volunteers were asked to write down how things would go when the neighbors returned. In studying the written reports, the researchers found that those that self-identified as conservative were less likely to apologize for not doing a better job than did those that identified as liberal.

The researchers cannot say for sure why there appeared to be differences in willingness to apologize but theorize that it might be because conservatives engage more in hierarchical thinking than do liberals, which might translate to feelings of losing power over others if they offer an apology.

Explore further: Apologies aren't as good as people imagine they'll be

More information: Matthew J. Hornsey et al. Conservatives Are More Reluctant to Give and Receive Apologies Than Liberals, Social Psychological and Personality Science (2017). journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1948550617691096

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michbaskett
3.4 / 5 (17) Mar 09, 2017
This really is not surprising, considering the way things have gotten these days. Conservatives have become today's "me generation" and everyone else can go screw themselves. They also have the idea generally that aplogies are a sign of weakness, not common decency.
ab3a
3 / 5 (18) Mar 09, 2017
Studies have also shown that sociologists are usually quite liberal and leftist in nature. Bias, even an unconscious bias is very likely.

And that's about as nice as I'm going to be about this farce.
gkam
2.7 / 5 (21) Mar 09, 2017
Conservatism is based on utter selfishness. Their goddess. Ayn Rand, titled her seminal work "The Virtue of Selfishness". But most have not even read it, being emotionally manipulated by her silly novels.

She stood with her beliefs of selfishness and put her money to a hate foundation, and lived on WELFARE, parasiting off of us, for the rest of her life.

Conservatism is rampant in the Red States, which get much of their funding from Blue States like New York and California. Red State Louisiana gets fully 40% of its state
budget from the Blue States.

Conservatism = Parasites
Zzzzzzzz
3.7 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2017
Conservatism is most common in the part of humanity that is skewed toward the high end of the "capacity for self delusion" scale. Delusions require constant validation and maintenance - selfish activities. Psychosis sufferers validate and maintain their delusions for their own selfish reasons - not for anyone else.
ab3a, you make my case for me. Sociologists are interested in other people. They spent their time and efforts looking outside themselves - not looking inward, desperately validating their personal delusions. And you are not being nice, you're not a nice person. Nice people actually have regard for others. You are simply exhibiting your psychosis. You cannot really help it - you're made that way. Blame the genetics.....
Lino235
2.7 / 5 (20) Mar 09, 2017
This study is debunked everyday by newspapers and newscasts. Liberals make utterly offensive remarks about conservatives and rarely apologize. OTOH, conservatives MUST apologize for the slightest offense against any liberal person or idea.

Just think, this frivolous study took time and effort and money to produce. What a waste.
Thnder
2.5 / 5 (16) Mar 09, 2017
I have yet to see the current batch of selfish violent leftists who beat innocents because they hold a different viewpoint, apologize for anything. Next.
KBK
4.3 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2017
I think, that there is a possibility that the labels liberal and conservative.. generally extant, as extant words.. may be used... by people who think they need to label things, or other people.

It's a bit too black and white, too ...'negative proofing mentality' for a reasonable thinking soul.

you find such usage of wording and projected intent lying either hidden or openly in many a person who was mistrained by their culture and society, and have probably predilection toward it in the first place.

Perpetuating this is probably a bad idea. Like closing the door on expanding and developing intelligence, instead of opening that all important door.

Quantification and objectivity is nice, but it's undercurrent can be illiterately projected, misused, and so on.
SiaoX
2.6 / 5 (17) Mar 09, 2017
Study shows conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals
Because they get wrong less often?
zenga
2.1 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2017
"imagine they had been asked to water their neighbor's lawn while the neighbor went on vacation and that they had done a poor job of it"

maybe the conservatives simply struggled with the concept of being so irresponsible. when an adult agrees to do something, he should make every attempt to follow through on that agreement. conservatives do not usually fail in their responsibilities, in my experience. maybe they simply had a harder time postulating a circumstance in which they would act as the question posed. liberals, on the other hand, seem more likely to be cavalier about their responsibilities. they then offer lame apologies when they fail to live up to their promises. that's why they are more acclimated to apologizing - they have to do it more often.

this is a seriously stupid study conducted in a seriously stupid way by a seriously stupid researcher.
gkam
2.4 / 5 (14) Mar 09, 2017
Conservatives have a hard time with sharing, with getting along, with growing up.
retrosurf
Mar 09, 2017
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Zzzzzzzz
Mar 09, 2017
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tblakely1357
2.5 / 5 (11) Mar 09, 2017
More fake news. Clickbait for low self-esteem lefties.
julianpenrod
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 09, 2017
A number of crucial points.
Liberal and conservative are not opposites. The opposite of conservative is progressive, the opposite of liberal can be said to be self serving. It should be mentioned, too, that, today, what is termed "liberal", in many cases, is licentious, and undertaken not out of respect for rights, liberties, but only to buy votes.
And do all liberals, or "liberals" apologize so much? Rather than equate the entire collection of those who genuine believe and those angling to buy votes by pandering, it could be good to see if there are groups of liberals, or "liberals", who apologize so much and who don't. And is that apologizing meant, or just another machination to win favor? And face a critical fact, if someone is doing what they consider right, why would they do so much apologizing? And, if they apologize so much, why don't they realize maybe their entire tack is wrong?
Code_Warrior
5 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2017
It seems to me that the rate of apologies within a group will be related to the ease which members of the group are offended and apologies are demanded. Groups whose members are easily offended will naturally have a higher apology rate than groups that aren't so easily offended. Whether the offense taking is reasonable or not is a different discussion. I would also expect that groups that demand conformity would also have a higher apology rate than groups that don't. I wouldn't read anything into this relative to conservative vs. liberal. The fact that there is a difference can be spun either way. Liberals can say that they are more virtuous because they are more willing to apologize and conservatives can say that they are more virtuous because they have a thicker skin. On the other hand, liberals can say conservatives are stubborn and refuse to apologize, while conservatives can say liberals are overly sensitive. This seems like a useless study to me.
cortezz
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2017
Conservatism is based on utter selfishness. Their goddess. Ayn Rand, titled her seminal work "The Virtue of Selfishness". But most have not even read it, being emotionally manipulated by her silly novels.

I'm not American so I cannot really relate to this conservative/liberal thingy but I have to defend my favourite author. I have read all Rands books and I see him no way being a conservative. He is a liberal in the classical meaning defending invidual rights and reason. I found this website by googling Ayn Rand coservative because I could not believe it: https://atlassoci...ervative
KBK
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 09, 2017
Her.

Ayn Rand was a woman. The marvel comics universe is based on Nietzsche and Rand. The superman. The rich, powerful, thinking, benevolent natural leader/benefactor.

A giant steaming pile of animalistic de-evolving backward looking people herding horseshit.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2017
cortezz, the "guy" of which you know so much was a woman.

Did you deny her entire schtick was to glorify absolute selfishness?

Read The Virtue of Selfishness, the basis of those silly stories with the ridiculous conversations and stilted constructs, then come back.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2017
Look at today's headlines to see evidence of Conservative Science at what used to be the EPA.
cortezz
4 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2017
cortezz, the "guy" of which you know so much was a woman.

Did you deny her entire schtick was to glorify absolute selfishness?

Oh, yes. Called her him. Sorry!

I don't deny it. She is an individualist and promotes individualism but I don't think it is the same as being totally selfish. Its more about finding your own way and following it. I think wikipedia says it good: "Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires and so value independence and self-reliance and advocate that interests of the individual should achieve precedence over the state or a social group"
sascoflame
Mar 09, 2017
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SlartiBartfast
3.2 / 5 (11) Mar 09, 2017
Conservatism is based on utter selfishness. Their goddess. Ayn Rand, titled her seminal work "The Virtue of Selfishness". But most have not even read it, being emotionally manipulated by her silly novels.

She stood with her beliefs of selfishness and put her money to a hate foundation, and lived on WELFARE, parasiting off of us, for the rest of her life.

Conservatism is rampant in the Red States, which get much of their funding from Blue States like New York and California. Red State Louisiana gets fully 40% of its state
budget from the Blue States.

Conservatism = Parasites


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Bart_A
3.4 / 5 (10) Mar 09, 2017
gkam, you must apologize for your hate-filled rants above.
There is no place on these forums for your hate speech.

gkam
2.3 / 5 (9) Mar 09, 2017
Bart, have you read The Virtue of Selfishness?

You must read it to understand my point. It is a short book.

Why don't Rand followers even know what she meant? My gosh, she is early high school stuff back when all the life philosophies are discussed and tried out. Most us us never fell for it, and others outgrew it.

ALL the major achievements in life are done by teams, whether workers, orchestras, classes, groups, whatever. Who sent Armstrong to the Moon? Thousands of people.

Those who expouse all that "freedom" are using communal roads, our communications systems, our schools and police and fire protection, but claim they are independent.
howhot3
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2017
A giant steaming pile of animalistic de-evolving backward looking people herding horseshit.

Oh and I thought you were talking about the Kentucky State Legislature.
Whydening Gyre
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 09, 2017
gkam, you must apologize for your hate-filled rants above.
There is no place on these forums for your hate speech.

That was actually pretty well said and placed, Bart...:-)
TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (8) Mar 09, 2017
"conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals"

-Libs apologize more but they never mean it. They just like to pretend theyre sincere.
howhot3
4 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2017
"conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals"

-Libs apologize more but they never mean it. They just like to pretend theyre sincere.

Oh man... Geeze.. I'm sorry @MrGhosty, I didn't mean to be a lib, I was just born that way.
I mean the opposite of a lib is a jerk. Isn't that what our congressmen are teaching us?
MR166
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2017
When the us liberals apologize for the riots, fires and looting there is a slight chance that I will believe this article. Liberals used to demand freedom of speech but now any disagreement is a violation of their safe zones.
MR166
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2017
http://www.breitb...al-sect/

Here is an example of liberalism at its best. CNN is the poster child for the left.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (7) Mar 09, 2017
"conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals"

-Libs apologize more but they never mean it. They just like to pretend theyre sincere.
You do realize your attitude is exactly equivalent to the following finding in the article:
They also found that conservatives also appeared to be less influenced by an apology from another, which translated to being less likely to forgive a transgression just because someone apologized for it.
In other words, conservatives always think liberal apologies are insincere.

That's not a problem with apologies. Just sayin'.

Meanwhile, in fun, @howhot,

I mean the opposite of a lib is a jerk.
Actually, jerk is the second derivative of velocity. It's how fast your acceleration changes.

Oh, wait, this is about personalities? Never mind. I see no point in discussing personalities with people who are jerks; you of course are free to do as you like. ;)
retrosurf
Mar 10, 2017
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retrosurf
Mar 10, 2017
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Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2017
The moderation here is almost the worst I have ever seen.

This ain't exactly a moderatable kind of topic, RS...:-)
sorry...
Also, note the article itself is on the sorry side.
I don't think Bob Yirka is gonna apologize...
cortezz
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 10, 2017

ALL the major achievements in life are done by teams, whether workers, orchestras, classes, groups, whatever. Who sent Armstrong to the Moon? Thousands of people.

Those who expouse all that "freedom" are using communal roads, our communications systems, our schools and police and fire protection, but claim they are independent.

Teams are just collaborating individuals and laissez-faire economics allow taxation for shared infastructure and so on. You are just being negative on purpose.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 10, 2017
In other words, conservatives always think liberal apologies are insincere
And herr/frau schneib didnt even apologize to otto for ignoring him for so long. I dont really care about that either. I would not expect it to be sincere anyway.
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 10, 2017
Not many things are done alone, cortezz, . . and for those which you think are done in solitary the folk are standing on the shoulders of their predecessors.

Look at Edision: He did not invent the lightbulb, nor the phonograph, he paid his developers to do it, and they came up with ideas. Edison just set up the business and took the credit.

Atomic bomb? A huge team. Other things were eventual developments of previous stuff.

We can all make our mark on reality, but we are not original not solitary.
gkam
1.5 / 5 (8) Mar 10, 2017
Here is another example of conservatism:

"Of 372 Trump statements checked by the authoritative Politifact.com, just 15 have been rated as fully "true.""

Do you think Trump will apologize for acting like a conservative?
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (12) Mar 10, 2017
"Of 372 Trump statements checked by the authoritative Politifact.com, just 15 have been rated as fully "true.""


Choot. That is non big deal... Of 15,193 glam-Skippy statements checked by the nice authorities at Physorg.com, just 7 have been rated as fully "true". (And those 7 were all repeats of the same true statement. "I am George Kamruboff")
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2017
Yes,this is a game for you. Once again:
Ira, you must understand I use my real name, and when you do the Trump stuff of making up things to attack, others here will believe it, or use it against the real me, George Kamburoff.

I am not trying to attack you, I am trying to make you see this is real and personal to me. I came here thinking I would find a good group of educated and interested people, but this is a Lord of the Flies phenomenon.

I suggest we start over.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 10, 2017
Yes,this is a game for you. Once again:
Ira, you must understand I use my real name
-not to mention address, phone #, family member names, work history, and social security #, and misc sensitive personal info like pot addict, VA psych ward outpatient, stolen valor claims, little wizard gif...

-And all this does not make your lies true. It only makes you an even less dependable source because, well, youre obviously an idiot.

George kambuttruboff. Idiot.

Yup. Yet one more thread hijacked by gkam the attention whore.
gkam
1 / 5 (6) Mar 10, 2017
Anonymity turns petty kids into internet vandals, the lowest form of artificial life.

These adolescents set their font to "spraypaint", and smear it on YOUR wall.

I was hoping I could reach one of them.

But I guess their deficiencies of character are locked in.
DirtySquirties
5 / 5 (3) Mar 10, 2017
The only thing studies like this do is get one side shouting "See! I knew it!" and the other side screaming "Wrong! They're actually worse!" The fact of the matter is that if you got butthurt or excited about the findings of this study, you're probably a politically brainwashed moron and your opinions have no basis in reality.
Da Schneib
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 11, 2017
In other words, conservatives always think liberal apologies are insincere
And herr/frau schneib didnt even apologize to otto for ignoring him for so long. I dont really care about that either. I would not expect it to be sincere anyway.
Get over it. Now you have demonstrated why you were on ignore so long; you're a worse azzhole than the climate deniers or the EUdiots.

Bye now.
SiaoX
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
Study shows conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals ...Because they get wrong less often?
I just like, how many times this comment has been voted - yet its karma remains neutral, because it could be interpreted in two dual ways, which is favorable for conservatives or for liberals. Why not to admit, that being liberal or conservative is not good or wrong - both attitudes are equally important like the ying-yang principles for to have balanced opinion and society?
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2017
Study shows conservatives less likely to apologize than liberals ...Because they get wrong less often?


Given that there's a negative correlation between being conservative and being educated - how likely do you think that is?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2017
Get over it. Now you have demonstrated why you were on ignore so long; you're a worse azzhole than the climate deniers or the EUdiots
I understand how disturbing a sense of humor can be to someone who doesnt have one.
Bye now
-So hurtful boohoo

Ich fang gleich an zu weinen haha
Given that there's a negative correlation between being conservative and being educated
Ahahaaa nietszche and his cohorts counted on such hubris.
MR166
1 / 5 (2) Mar 11, 2017
"Given that there's a negative correlation between being conservative and being educated - how likely do you think that is?"

The correct word is indoctrinated not educated.
MR166
2 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2017
Since the entire teaching profession has been dominated by liberals there is no education anymore. Only the Marxist doctrines are taught and that my man is known as indoctrination.
SiaoX
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
Given that there's a negative correlation between being conservative and being educated - how likely do you think that is?
The concepts of liberalism and conservatism are more complex than they look at the first sight and they apply to certain scopes, historical periods and social scales. Their notion can be easily inverted, once we cross their validity scope. For example, in microeconomics the conservatives get actually more liberal, as they adhere on individualist freedom and less obtrusive governmental mechanisms. Whereas the liberals tend to behave like the commies in the macroeconomy and they promote more strict governmental rules instead. In similar way, just these most educated scientists aren't big fans of liberal research, findings and ideas like the cold fusion, antigravity and overunity. They get conservative there not because they're less educated - but because they're educated more. The discussion of these subtleties would be longer than this thread allows.
gkam
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 11, 2017
" the liberals tend to behave like the commies in the macroeconomy and they promote more strict governmental rules"
------------------------------

Apparently you never heard of Scalia, our very own Roland Friesler.

Good old Antonin, before he died on his free hunting trip for the guy he ruled for in a court case, he gave us rulings only a Nazi or Kim Jong Un could love.

Remember the old movies of life in authoritarian states, the Nazis, the Commies?

"PAPERS!" "Where are your papers!?"

Well now, Scalia ruled if you cannot prove who you are immediately to any police, they can put you in jail.

Scalia also ruled that if you can prove you are innocent, but have used up your few appeals, they can still kill you.

It that why you favor conservatism, or is it the Inquisitions they perpetrated when they were most powerful?
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 11, 2017
Given that there's a negative correlation between being conservative and being educated - how likely do you think that is?
-And we have in evidence the musings of fellow kamarad kamburoff...
"PAPERS!" "Where are your papers!?"... WMDs!!!"
-to show that libs regard pretense as valid as real knowledge.

Fabrication is just so much easier. As in - pretending to know kant is so much easier than pretending to know physics.
SiaoX
3 / 5 (2) Mar 11, 2017
It that why you favor conservatism, or is it the Inquisitions they perpetrated when they were most powerful?
An opinion of the conservative scientist: The Left has done far more than the Right to set back progress.My personal feelings in this matter are perfectly mixed, as I'm facing the problems at both sides of political spectrum. Both groups developed their own methods, how to cheat the rest of society. But the actual problems are just at places, where both conservative, both liberals ignore / don't agree with.
gkam
1.6 / 5 (7) Mar 11, 2017
The day of the liberals may be here soon, since we know know the official Word of the Year for 2017 will be "Treason".

Putin and his fellow lovers of the Big Fist went too far. Have all the important members of the Trump Team now proven to be compromised by our enemies?

Since we caught Pence lying as well, I guess we have to have a do-over of the election.
gkam
1 / 5 (5) Mar 11, 2017
Interesting comment, SiaoX. What has "the left" done to impede you professionally? I'd like to hear the view from your position, not being a conservative scientist myself. It is the only way to see the entire view.

Thanks.
SiaoX
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
My personal experience is necessarily subjective and as such not worth the objectivist discussion. For example, I don't quite agree with AGW "alarmists" - but the "deniers" already provide more than enough feedback for them. But I'm perceiving the deepest problems in just the points, which are getting systematically attacked/dismissed/ignored with both conservatives, both liberals in unison - for example the cold fusion or overunity findings. The conservatives just ignore them, because they seemingly contradicts the established laws of physics and indeed the interests of nuclear/fossil fuel lobby, but the leftists ignore them too, because the research of "renewable solutions" currently brings more perspective of grants and job places for them. The bullying and boycotting is not so problematic once you have at least some supporters and feedback - but it shouldn't get omnipresent and universal. Other than that, I do respect the arguments of conservatives and liberals in equal way.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
Pragmatism is a lost art...
Don't be left dominated or right dominated. Be both.
gkam
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 11, 2017
"for example the cold fusion or overunity findings. The conservatives just ignore them, because they seemingly contradicts the established laws of physics and indeed the interests of nuclear/fossil fuel lobby, but the leftists ignore them too, because the research of "renewable solutions" currently brings more perspective of grants and job places for them"
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I think it is more of not having any proof for the extraordinary claims.
SiaoX
3 / 5 (2) Mar 11, 2017
The lack of proof isn't problem. We also have no proof for dark matter particles for example - but there is difference: many (still futile) attempts for their search were already discussed here at PhysOrg - so we can know, someone is at least trying to get this evidence.
Captain Stumpy
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
The lack of proof isn't problem. We also have no proof for dark matter particles for example
@SiaoX
if i may interject - that is like comparing apples to firetrucks and leaves because you, personally, see green or red

1- we don't have direct proof of DM *particles*, but we have compelling evidence that leads us towards finding out what, exactly, DM is and that is evidence

no different than gravity and the Higgs, BTW

2- there is a preponderance of overwhelming evidence for thermodynamics and physics that demonstrate overunity/perpetual motion just aint gonna happen

so that definitely requires extraordinary claims to "establish" as a fact

3- and as for CF - until there is anything that is viable, but with validation, then it is simply something to be studied and either validated or not

- it is also rife with fraud and/or mistakes in the past, so one must tread carefully and be very, very sure of the data and results
TheGhostofOtto1923
4 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2017
Given that there's a negative correlation between being conservative and being educated - how likely do you think that is?
Its not how much you know its what you know. Quality over quantity.

Take one of the premier intellectuals of our generation for instance...

"The episodes in [christopher] Hitchens's shift to the right are well-known: the Rushdie affair, the Bosnia wars, the skirmishes with the Clinton White House and finally 9/11. The main conclusions that Hitchens drew from these were that religion, and specifically Islam, was an underestimated force for evil in world affairs, that the US empire could be a countervailing force for good, and that the left had become detached from any international working-class movement capable of challenging capitalism, and was on the wrong side of history."

"But while it's certainly true that Hitchens reviled the religious right, his views were in most respects remarkably close to those of the neocons."
Estevan57
4 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2017
@SiaoX Thanks for a reasoned and calm outlook on the outlooks of both liberal and conservative views. It rarely goes beyond name calling and finger pointing.

I do find it interesting that the most fervent members of both political attitudes spend so much time and energy trying to define the other.

" Clickbait for low self-esteem lefties." - tblakely1357
"Conservatism = Parasites" - Gkam

TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 11, 2017
A window into the liberal reasoning process...

"Muhammad Ali's son detained for second time at airport on way to South Florida"

"Muhammad Ali Jr. thinks incident was retribution for speaking before Congress"

"U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Twitter... "On way home on DOMESTIC FLIGHT Muhammad Ali Jr. detained AGAIN by @DHSgov. Religiously profiling son of 'The Greatest' will not make us safe."

-BUT THEN...

"The Transportation Security Administration issued a statement Friday:

"Upon arriving at the airline check-in counter, a call was made to confirm Mr. Ali's identity with TSA officials. When Mr. Ali arrived at the checkpoint, his large jewelry alarmed the checkpoint scanner. He received a targeted pat-down in the area of his jewelry to clear the alarm and was cleared to catch his flight."

-I think conservatives would agree that this was obviously a case of jewelry profiling.
MR166
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
Otto your last post highlights how the liberals and the liberal press willingly distort the facts in order to create divisiveness. Telling half truths is the same as lying.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (3) Mar 11, 2017
There are places where conservatism-- *mild* conservatism-- has its place. We have the institutions and traditions we have for what were, at the time they were conceived and instituted, not merely reasonable but wise. Before these are changed, the reasons for changing them must be very clear. Conservatism preserves them. That is its place.

The problem comes when conservatism becomes mindless, when there is *no* reason that will suffice to change. When conservatism becomes reactionism. It's necessary as well to change to fit exigent circumstances, and the inability to do so leads to extinction. It's really just that simple.

The reason conservatives won't apologize is because they think traditions and institutions are on their side. What they ignore is that brute reality isn't. Perfect example: global warming.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (2) Mar 11, 2017
Otto your last post highlights how the liberals and the liberal press willingly distort the facts in order to create divisiveness. Telling half truths is the same as lying.

Don't kid yourself, republicans - er, conservatives - do it, too...
It has the same outcome - polarization of societal viewpoints.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (2) Mar 11, 2017
Another interesting example of the lib mindset - context means everything

"Maria Guadalupe, an associate professor of economics and political science at INSEAD, joined forces with Joe Salvatore, an associate professor of educational theater at NYU's Steinhart School to develop Her Opponent, a play featuring actors performing excerpts from the three debates verbatim but with the genders of the candidates switched, NYU News reports...

"Audience members found that the arguments from Trump's character sounded more convincing coming from a woman.

"About halfway through watching this it hit me – I see how he (Trump) won," one audience member commented.

"They also agreed that many of the arguments coming out of the Clinton character's mouth seemed less believable and said that the character came off as "untrustworthy" or "fake."
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TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (2) Mar 11, 2017
The play by the way was performed at the Provincetown Playhouse in the ultra-liberal West Village in New York City in January.

The kicker: even though the audience had to admit that the context completely changed their perception of the message, their opinions of the candidates did not change.

Rush limbaugh for one had to point out that this little exercise proved that this group of liberals at least were far more prejudiced than they thought they were. If they cared to think about it at all.

""It gave people enough distance to reflect on their own deeply ingrained gender bias, and to think about how they might have better understood the debates and the other perspective if they had not held such strong preference or distaste for a specific candidate," Maria Guadalupe, an associate professor of economics and political science at INSEAD [one of the authors of the play] said."
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2017
@Otto, you should be embarrassed. You lasted exactly one post before being put back on ignore; both @BouncedRealityCheck and @Lenni did better than you. By quite a bit, actually. That's pitiful.
TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (2) Mar 12, 2017
@Otto, you should be embarrassed. You lasted exactly one post before being put back on ignore; both @BouncedRealityCheck and @Lenni did better than you. By quite a bit, actually. That's pitiful.
Is it true de schneib means 'the sniper'? And I think you read 1 post too many. Auf wiedersehen chump
https://youtu.be/_1p_-qwIDWQ
MR166
1 / 5 (3) Mar 12, 2017
"The reason conservatives won't apologize is because they think traditions and institutions are on their side. What they ignore is that brute reality isn't. Perfect example: global warming."

http://notrickszo...0-years/

There are multiple other proofs that the data is being fudged or purposely misinterpreted.

To take a 50 year period of warming and unequivocally say that man's contribution to CO2 levels has caused it is impossible. To call today's climate unusual is pure propaganda.

Proof of warming having failed, the new man made apocalypse is so called "Climate Change"!
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2017
"@Otto, you should be embarrassed. You lasted exactly one post before being put back on ignore; both @BouncedRealityCheck and @Lenni did better than you. By quite a bit, actually. That's pitiful."
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"Internet trolls are 'Machiavellian sadists and psychopaths' - expert"

https://www.thegu...ng-panel

We have one who continually refers to his psychopathy in the name of others, with a fixation which dominates his little life.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 12, 2017
If george the troll wants to show how otto is a psychopath then he has to cite specific examples of things i say, and then present references demonstrating how these things are psychopathic in nature.

Just like otto and many others do with the lies and made-up facts he posts.

Have at it.

You might think that just proclaiming things makes them true. But thats just more evidence of your disease.

For instance claiming youre an expert in mental illness because youre an outpatient at the VA mental ward, is just more evidence of your disease.
gkam
1 / 5 (4) Mar 13, 2017
Thank you for exposing your character.

It takes something special for a draft-dodger to taunt war vets with PTSD.

Real class. No wonder you have to use a pseudonym out of FEAR of consequences.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 13, 2017
George thinks his alleged 50 yo PTSD makes him immune to criticism for lying and making up facts like stolen valor claims. Anyone but a psychopath would be ashamed to do this sort of thing.

So provide evidence from what i post that indicates im a psychopath, in the same way i do you. What better way to expose my character?

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