Earth breaks heat record in 2016 for third year in a row

January 18, 2017
Credit: NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center

Last year, the Earth sweltered under the hottest temperatures in modern times for the third year in a row, US scientists said Wednesday, raising new concerns about the quickening pace of climate change.

Temperatures spiked to new national highs in parts of India, Kuwait and Iran, while sea ice melted faster than ever in the fragile Arctic, said the report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Taking a global average of the land and sea surface temperatures for the entire year, NOAA found the data for "2016 was the highest since record keeping began in 1880," said the announcement.

The global average temperature last year was 1.69 Fahrenheit (0.94 Celsius) above the 20th century average, and 0.07 degrees F (0.04 C) warmer than in 2015, the last record-setting year, according to NOAA.

This was "not a huge margin to set a new record but it is larger than the typical margin," Deke Arndt, chief of NOAA global climate monitoring, said on a conference call with reporters.

A separate analysis by the US space agency NASA also found that 2016 was the hottest on record.

The World Meteorological Organization in Geneva confirmed the US findings, and noted that atmospheric concentrations of both carbon dioxide and methane reached new highs.

Land and ocean temperature change above/below the average in 2016

Upward trend

The main reason for the rise is the burning of fossil fuels like oil and gas, which send carbon dioxide, methane and other pollutants known as greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere and warm the planet.

The mounting toll of industrialization on the Earth's natural balance is increasingly apparent in the record books of recent decades.

"Since the start of the 21st century, the annual global temperature record has been broken five times (2005, 2010, 2014, 2015 and 2016)," said NOAA.

Animation of global temperatures since 1880. Credit: NASA/Scientific Visualization Studio

Another factor has been the Pacific Ocean warming trend of El Nino, which experts say exacerbates the planet's already rising warmth.

El Nino comes and goes. The latest episode became particularly strong in 2015, and subsided about halfway through 2016.

But El Nino was responsible for just a small fraction of last year's warmth, according to Peter Stott, acting director of Britain's Met Office Hadley Center.

The planet’s long-term warming trend is seen in this chart of every year’s annual temperature cycle from 1880 to the present, compared to the average temperature from 1880 to 2015. Record warm years are listed in the column on the right. Credit: NASA/Joshua Stevens, Earth Observatory

"The main contributor to warming over the last 150 years is human influence on climate from increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere," he said.

This year is likely be cooler, but probably not by much, said Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

"Because the long-term trends are so clear, it is still going to be a top-five year in our analysis. I'm pretty confident about that." he told reporters.

Scenes from a warming world

Last year, all of North America was the warmest since records began in 1910, breaking that region's last record set in 1998.

Europe and Asia each saw their third hottest years on record, while Australia marked its fourth warmest year since records began more than a century ago.

Unusual spikes in temperature were seen in Phalodi, India, which reached 124 F (51 C) on May 19—marking India's hottest temperature ever.

Variation in global temperature compared to the 20th century average

Dehloran, Iran hit 127 F (53 C) on July 22, a new national record.

Meanwhile, Mitribah, Kuwait hit an all-time high of 129 F (54 C) on July 21, which may be the highest temperature ever recorded in all of Asia, NOAA said.

Planet-wide, the heat led to more melting at the poles. In the Arctic, average annual sea ice extent was approximately 3.92 million square miles (10.2 million square kilometers), the smallest annual average in the record, NOAA said.

Antarctic annual sea ice extent was the second smallest on record.

Dangers

Unusually hot years wreak havoc on the planet by increasing rainfall in some parts of the world while leading to drought in others, damaging crops.

Fish and birds must migrate farther than ever to find suitable temperatures and habitats.

Climate experts say the only solution to the rising temperatures is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels

Diseases can spread faster in the warming waters, sickening marine life and killing corals.

Glaciers and polar ice caps melt, accelerating sea level rise that will eventually swallow many of the globe's coastal communities, home to some one billion people.

Experts say the only solution is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, in favor of Earth-friendly renewable energy such as wind and solar.

"Climate change is one of the great challenges of the twenty first century and shows no signs of slowing down," said Mark Maslin, professor of climatology at University College London.

"The decarbonization of the global economy is the ultimate goal to prevent the worst effects of climate change."

Explore further: Climate report says 2016 on pace to be hottest year yet

More information: The full 2016 surface temperature data set and the complete methodology used to make the temperature calculation are available at: data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp

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snoosebaum
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2017
great news , we will hate the coming ice age
gkam
3.5 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2017
I hope that comment was a joke.
ikihi
1.2 / 5 (23) Jan 18, 2017
Stop the fear mongering! Our temperature data set is far too limited to know precisely how weather changes over many, many years; it's likely this warming is natural. Back in the middle ages there were periods of warming that were likely much warmer than now. Back in the dinosaur period the planet overall was MUCH warmer and much heavier in carbon dioxide than now.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (9) Jan 18, 2017
i've been watching the output of all those lunatic denier types, I suspect that now in many circles a victorian phenomenom known as a 'moral panic' has set in.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (8) Jan 18, 2017
wots going on with all that satellite temp data ?
richdiggins
1 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2017
1981-2010 ... Ok, I think that does it boys. Lets publish and go on vacation with some of this funding.
damsill12
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2017
Stop the fear mongering! Our temperature data set is far too limited to know precisely how weather changes over many, many years; it's likely this warming is natural. Back in the middle ages there were periods of warming that were likely much warmer than now. Back in the dinosaur period the planet overall was MUCH warmer and much heavier in carbon dioxide than now.

Make a BIG NOISE Climate change is REAL, your bogus science might certainly be limited, but REAL science undeniably shows that climate change is REAL. We need to change to renewables NOW !
ikihi
1.2 / 5 (24) Jan 18, 2017
Stop the fear mongering! Our temperature data set is far too limited to know precisely how weather changes over many, many years; it's likely this warming is natural. Back in the middle ages there were periods of warming that were likely much warmer than now. Back in the dinosaur period the planet overall was MUCH warmer and much heavier in carbon dioxide than now.

Make a BIG NOISE Climate change is REAL, your bogus science might certainly be limited, but REAL science undeniably shows that climate change is REAL. We need to change to renewables NOW !


Of course climate change is real. The climate is always changing. Natural history science has proved that our climate has been much warmer than today. Maybe you should stop listening to the crackpot lying government scientists who will say anything to assist with the democrat party's hoax.
richdiggins
1 / 5 (18) Jan 18, 2017
@ Damsill12-in-distress ...

Well, what do we have here. Define "REAL" in the context you have used it.

My vote says that there are bigger things going on here. Take a look at sun spots. There is plenty of published scientific data that is being ignored by the Climate Truthers.

Secondly, Large Corporations in Large industrial parks are the only entities that are going to make the change to renewables. Then and only then does it show up in your Walmart Shopping Cart.

Lets stop polluting our planet with non-biodegradables. However, lets do so under the context of Logic and Common Sense. Rather than Fear Mongering.
gkam
4 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2017
It is interesting to see deniers now start to modify their hard stands. I guess years of consecutive records are hard to blame on the character of conniving cheating scientists worldwide.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2017
All of North America was the warmest since records began in 1910

LOL
Yet there was no heat waves nor droughts nor dust bowls as happened during the 1930s.
The Pathological Lies of the AGW Cult and their Pathological FAKE "science". But, what is a desperate cult to do when reality defies their desire for doom and gloom.
novaman
Jan 18, 2017
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HeloMenelo
4.7 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2017
All of North America was the warmest since records began in 1910

LOL
Yet there was no heat waves nor droughts nor dust bowls as happened during the 1930s.
The Pathological Lies of the AGW Cult and their Pathological FAKE "science". But, what is a desperate cult to do when reality defies their desire for doom and gloom.


The inability of your ability to understand science never seizes to amaze, there are natural phenomena that causes droughts too monkeynuts. Human made climate change adds unnatural warming to the earth, as been Proven over years, on the other hand your babble proved you to be an airhead, your dumb logic has been exposed everytime you put a dumb thumb to the keyboard.

gkam
3.8 / 5 (17) Jan 18, 2017
"stop listening to the crackpot lying government scientists who will say anything to assist with the democrat party's hoax"
----------------------------------

That pretty much sums up the level of thought from Deniers.

Why do some folk assume scientists lie like businessmen, politicians, car dealers, bankers, real estate salesmen and televangelists? Do they not understand the meaning of outside verification, or reproducibility of findings, or reputation?

Are they unaware that if a scientist is ever caught even fudging he is gone?

The words quoted above betray an ignorance of science which threatens us all.
HeloMenelo
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2017
@ Damsill12-in-distress ...

Well, what do we have here. Define "REAL" in the context you have used it.

My vote says that there are bigger things going on here. Take a look at sun spots. There is plenty of published scientific data that is being ignored by the Climate Truthers.

Secondly, Large Corporations in Large industrial parks are the only entities that are going to make the change to renewables. Then and only then does it show up in your Walmart Shopping Cart.

Lets stop polluting our planet with non-biodegradables. However, lets do so under the context of Logic and Common Sense. Rather than Fear Mongering.

poordiggins losing understanding and your vote is non-relevant, sunspots is uncontrollable, Climate Change By burning of fossil fuels IS controllable, don't try change the subject.
damsill12
5 / 5 (12) Jan 18, 2017
Stop the fear mongering! Our temperature data set is far too limited to know precisely how weather changes over many, many years; it's likely this warming is natural. Back in the middle ages there were periods of warming that were likely much warmer than now. Back in the dinosaur period the planet overall was MUCH warmer and much heavier in carbon dioxide than now.

Make a BIG NOISE Climate change is REAL, your bogus science might certainly be limited, but REAL science undeniably shows that climate change is REAL. We need to change to renewables NOW !


Of course climate change is real. The climate is always changing. Natural history science has proved that our climate has been much warmer than today. Maybe you should stop listening to the crackpot lying government scientists who will say anything to assist with the democrat party's hoax.


Of course because natural phenomena also is at play, burning of fossils unnaturally is tipping the scales.
humy
4.8 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2017
Our temperature data set is far too limited to know precisely how weather changes over many, many years; .

That is simply not true.
If that was true, the experts would say so.
How would you know this?
Are you a climate scientist?

HeloMenelo
4.6 / 5 (11) Jan 18, 2017
his thinking is the part that is limited, proven everyday :D
btb101
1 / 5 (11) Jan 18, 2017
And then there is this...
https://realclima...mpering/
richdiggins
1.2 / 5 (17) Jan 18, 2017
"poordiggins losing understanding and your vote is non-relevant, sunspots is uncontrollable, Climate Change By burning of fossil fuels IS controllable, don't try change the subject."

Blah, blah, blah. Thats what I hear you saying.

What would you say to those people that used to have "River Thames frost fairs"? That the earth is too hot. ... The earth is a dynamo, the sun is a dynamo. There is much more going on with climate change than just burning fuel.

Climate change predates humanity.

Regarding Combustion ... Increased Carbon dioxide has always led to incredible growth rates of vegetation on earth. Fossil records exist.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (10) Jan 18, 2017
gkam
4 / 5 (16) Jan 18, 2017
It does not matter to me what those folk assume, I want to know what the 97% of scientists think.
snoosebaum
1.1 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2017
Curry is part of the ''97% ''' .
Nobody talks about the tropopause, the place where its all happening , nice and smooth in our programmed imaginations but complex and possibly turbulent ? and unknown? ??
antigoracle
1 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2017
Could one of you ignorant Chicken Littles find one of your 97% to tell you how much man made CO2 was responsible for the following.

For an excruciating week in July, 1936, Toronto, the province, and much of Canada burned. An unprecedented and deadly continent-wide heatwave forced temperatures into the low- to mid-40s, killing hundreds, incinerating food crops, and forcing many more from their homes to sleep in parks, beaches, and cars.

http://spacing.ca...eatwave/
gkam
3.9 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2017
snoose, just look at the results of the studies.

Or, go look up the ten hottest years in all of recorded history and get back to us.
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (9) Jan 18, 2017
ok gkam , here is one key aspect , and if it don't work fix it,,,, LOL !

https://www.skept...here.htm

and another interesting tidbit i saw , temps suddenly spiked when the soviet union fell and most of the recording stations were lost, @ 8:09 another crazy old guy

https://www.youtu...nJFTxQcU
Benni
1 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2017
Throughout Earth's history, long before humanity came onto the scene (from say 2,000 million years ago to 2 million years ago), the global climate was much warmer than now, with the global mean temperature as much as 8°C to 15°C warmer than it is today. During most of this time, the polar regions were free of ice. For example, during the mid-Cretaceous Period, around 100 million years ago, lush ferns and alligators resided in what is now Siberia. Dinosaur skeletons have been recovered from north of the Arctic circle in Alaska. These and other pieces of evidence indicate that the mid-Cretaceous climate was on the order of 3-11°F warmer at the equator and 30-110°F warmer at the poles compared to the present with no permanent polar ice caps.

These comparative warm conditions were interrupted by several periods of glaciation. Geologic evidence suggests that one glacial period occurred about 700 million years ago and another 300 million years ago.

Ho hum, life is tough.
Benni
1 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2017
The Pleistocene experienced the most important single environmental event since the human species has been on Earth: The oscillation between glaciation and interglacial during the Pleistocene Epoch. This period is remarkable not just for the alternation of warm and cold phases but for the scale and rapidity of the changes. There were at least 20 glacial/interglacial cycles during the Pleistocen

Coastal environments during the recent Pleistocene were controlled in large part by the fluctuating level of the sea. As a result of the many glaciations on land and the subsequent release of melt-water during interglacial times, sea level has fluctuated almost continuously between interglacial levels, like those of today, and levels during times of maximum glaciation, such as 18,000 years ago when sea level was more than 100 meters lower.

animah
4.7 / 5 (15) Jan 18, 2017
Hey Benni, you need to provide attribution when you copy-paste this much, otherwise it's plagiarism. Your post is from from a great article at http://www.atmo.a...ene.html

Note that the author talks about rates of change that are 100 times slower than what we are experiencing, e.g. when he writes:

"Notice how abruptly one ice age ends (around 145,000 years ago) and how abruptly the next cool period or ice age begins (around 120,000 years ago). "

That's a 15,000 year transition! Note also the timescales on the his ice core graph.

So I don't think your comparison is adequate - in fact it seems to reinforce that we are not in a business as usual scenario this time around.
Benni
1 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2017
Hey Benni, you need to provide attribution when you copy-paste this much, otherwise it's plagiarism. Your post is from from a great article at http://www.atmo.a...ene.html


OH, sorry, forgot......thanks. Nice info isn't it? Takes the fun out of so much of the funny farm science that gets copied & pasted by others around here around here that is bandied about as science.

howhot3
4.7 / 5 (14) Jan 18, 2017
oOOOo Looks like the DENIER GOON SQUAD is out in force on the news that 2016 was the hottest year EVER recorded in human history. 2015 and 2014 were tagging along right after him. When are you goon twits going to see how stupid you are with this global warming denialism.
But of course you alll are a bunch of republican freak-a-zoids that just like a world in misery. Excuse us 97% that are smarter than you.
antigoracle
1.2 / 5 (13) Jan 18, 2017
oOOOo Looks like the ....

oOOOo Looks like the man crush, False "Profit" Al, took a fast acting laxative and out pooped howshat and not too soon for all the globull warming.
Pumastar
Jan 19, 2017
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HeloMenelo
4.6 / 5 (9) Jan 19, 2017
"poordiggins losing understanding and your vote is non-relevant, sunspots is uncontrollable, Climate Change By burning of fossil fuels IS controllable, don't try change the subject."

Blah, blah, blah. Thats what I hear you saying.

What would you say to those people that used to have "River Thames frost fairs"? That the earth is too hot. ... The earth is a dynamo, the sun is a dynamo. There is much more going on with climate change than just burning fuel.

Climate change predates humanity.

Regarding Combustion ... Increased Carbon dioxide has always led to incredible growth rates of vegetation on earth. Fossil records exist.

Yet again your extremely limited biased view, Your skull is thicker than the earths crust, ignoring the overwhelming evidence that fossil fuel burning Increases the climate tipping point, where do you think all the trillions of billions of bad stuff produced by fossil fuels go ? To lala land ? What an idiot.

HeloMenelo
4.6 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2017
Hey Benni, you need to provide attribution when you copy-paste this much, otherwise it's plagiarism. Your post is from from a great article at http://www.atmo.a...ene.html

Note that the author talks about rates of change that are 100 times slower than what we are experiencing, e.g. when he writes:

"Notice how abruptly one ice age ends (around 145,000 years ago) and how abruptly the next cool period or ice age begins (around 120,000 years ago). "

That's a 15,000 year transition! Note also the timescales on the his ice core graph.

So I don't think your comparison is adequate - in fact it seems to reinforce that we are not in a business as usual scenario this time around.


Well said, Unbelievable how shallow the dienier arguments are, getting caught out everytime, the only ones they are fooling is themselves.
HeloMenelo
4.6 / 5 (10) Jan 19, 2017
oOOOo Looks like the DENIER GOON SQUAD is out in force on the news that 2016 was the hottest year EVER recorded in human history. 2015 and 2014 were tagging along right after him. When are you goon twits going to see how stupid you are with this global warming denialism.
But of course you alll are a bunch of republican freak-a-zoids that just like a world in misery. Excuse us 97% that are smarter than you.

They live in their own blinded world, thinking they could even try and change public perception, the public already knows unnatural climate change is happening because they are getting smarter by the day, and the more deniers try to lie, the more everyone sees their arrogance, greed and shallow lies, the truth becomes clear as day.
antialias_physorg
4.6 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2017
When are you goon twits going to see how stupid you are with this global warming denialism.

The simplest way to see the intellectual dishonesty is when you ask them how many record years it would take for them to change their minds. You never get an answer.
People who will not change their minds no matter how much evidence exists are religious. There's really no point in arguing with them.
humy
4.6 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2017
When are you goon twits going to see how stupid you are with this global warming denialism.

The simplest way to see the intellectual dishonesty is when you ask them how many record years it would take for them to change their minds. You never get an answer.
People who will not change their minds no matter how much evidence exists are religious. There's really no point in arguing with them.

And, if you ask them how they would expect their observations of the world to be differently from what they are if hypothetically there was man made global warming significant enough in amount to warrant action or at least give some rational concern and consideration, you will also never get a straight answer. I know because I have asked them this many times. The last response I got was along the lines that he doesn't understand the question; and yet an average halfwit understands it just fine.
I would say they are 'religious' in that sense.
Benni
1 / 5 (10) Jan 19, 2017
man made global warming significant enough in amount to warrant action or at least give some rational concern and consideration, you will also never get a straight answer. I know because I have asked them this many times


...and when you are confronted with a question about ceasing the activities of driving your cars & peddling bikes everywhere you go, you always duck the question. You want others to do what you're not willing to do because you somehow have gotten it into your heads that you have more of a RIGHT to do it because you have a message for the rest of us.

Hey, Mr. Holier than Thou, are you peddling a bike to the marketplace to pick up your groceries? Or are you using sometthing with an internal combustion engfine in it? Let's just see HOW you answer the question, or if you just ignore answering it.
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
...and when you are confronted with a question about ceasing the activities of driving your cars & peddling bikes everywhere you go, you always duck the question.

Since you haven't ever posed that question on here - why do you say we're ducking it? I try to take my bike whenever possible. The car I drive is selected for MPG value. The next one is going to be electric. The power I buy is sourced from renewables. Any appliance I buy is checked for best power usage. I try to avoid travelling by plane (for job related journeys I can't - even though I asked to). What more do you want?

Hey, Mr. Holier than Thou, are you peddling a bike to the marketplace to pick up your groceries?

Much better. I walk.
Benni
1 / 5 (8) Jan 19, 2017
Much better. I walk.
.......living where I live you wouldn't walk, you wouldn't peddle a bike anywhere out here either, not in these hills where I live in the rural countryside.
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
not in these hills where I live in the rural countryside.,

Oh Bo-ho. Do you want a cookie? Hills. Oh my. The bane of bike riding. Surely. [/sarcasm]
If your butt is too big for going over a hill then buy an e-bike to do it for you.

But your intellectual dishonesty shows. I answered your question the way you wanted and you downvote it.

Bravo. *slow clap*

So when are you going to answer OUR question? How many years of record temperatures until you change your mind?

What's it gonna be Benni. Run and hide? Again?
gkam
3.8 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
"...and when you are confronted with a question about ceasing the activities of driving your cars & peddling bikes everywhere you go, you always duck the question. You want others to do what you're not willing to do because you somehow have gotten it into your heads that you have more of a RIGHT to do it because you have a message for the rest of us."
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Benni, . . benni, . .. settle down. I have an electric vehicle. We get power from our solar PV on the roof of the house and it provides the power for car and house both.

Do you drive a stinking ICE? Buy coal-derived electricity?
richdiggins
1.3 / 5 (15) Jan 19, 2017
@Benni has made some great points.

This topic is surely about Controlling other Human Beings and about Profits ... far more than it could possibility relate to Saving anything.

Apparently no human is safe from the AGW crowd. Just look at the villagers of rural Malawi ... Even these people are not safe from being controlled and experimented on.

We are seriously worried about emissions from open fires in african savanna?

... ACME. INC, save us from the Carbon.

https://phys.org/...eld.html

antigoracle
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
Much better. I walk.

So, where do you get all the calories you burn during all that walking, huh?
Oh yeah, the food you eat. Now tell us what magical CO2 free process was used to produce and deliver that food to your grocery?
The fact is, with all your "green" walking, you are responsible for more CO2 than the person who drives to the grocery and I'm not even considering the CO2 coming out of your lungs.
gkam
3.2 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2017
Nope, diggins, my PV system only lets you use the power I would have used. It is liberating to you, Silly.

And I got my opinion regarding Climate Change from earning a Master of Science in the field. How did you get yours?
Benni
1 / 5 (10) Jan 19, 2017
I have an electric vehicle. We get power from our solar PV on the roof of the house and it provides the power for car and house both.


........and you are about the only one here doing so & willing to be honest about it, I'll give you that much credit. When Trump leaves office 8 years from tomorrow, we'll see a lot more EVs in the big cities replacing all those grossly inefficient ICEs requiring so much expensive maintenance. Go Elon, Engineering Professionals are on your side even though many Democrat career politicians aren't.

richdiggins
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 19, 2017
@gkam,

"Nope, diggins, my PV system only lets you use the power I would have used. It is liberating to you, Silly. "

All of the sudden there is an energy shortage? ... Perhaps we should address the smartphone + big data crowd. Our microprocessors are projected to overtake human power usage soon.

Are you worried about emissions from open cooking fires in the african savanna?

If so, I would ask for a refund from University, Inc.

My opinion on this topic is shaped by geological records. You know fossils, Ice Cores, sediment cores. .... and, wait for it... Common Sense.

Its an unfortunate fact that the data does not match the AWG Banner Flag. Take a closer look at the Ice Core data, you will see what I mean.
https://en.wikipe...drilling

gkam
2.7 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
Democrats are leading the changes, Toots. And you know it.

Yes, we will see more because the 35 years of work to get them there is almost done. We have been working on these for that long, unknown to the general public.

Trump will get the benefit and claim credit with grand and loud braggadocio.
richdiggins
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
@gkam ... Interesting how politics is so closely related to your Climate Change mantra. Perhaps you've been indoctrinated. Like any cult, its designed to control you.
gkam
3.6 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2017
"My opinion on this topic is shaped by geological records. You know fossils, Ice Cores, sediment cores. .... and, wait for it... Common Sense."
--------------------------------

I think you should try specific education. Start with acidification of the oceans, the spread of tropical diseases, and changes in growing regions.

Understand the climate is the result of the interactions of complex systems, resting in a stable state. We have perturbed that stable state, and now it will oscillate between extremes until it settles down into another stable state, possibly not one conducive to Human habitation.
richdiggins
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
There is nothing stable about the earths climate. There has never been a stable climate on earth. That is the point.
gkam
3.5 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
"Perhaps you've been indoctrinated. Like any cult, its designed to control you."
-------------------------------

It is a pretty big "cult", with 97% of all of the world's scientists belonging.

Are you sure you outliers are not the Deviants?
richdiggins
1.5 / 5 (16) Jan 19, 2017
@gkam

Show us your "stable earth" data.

Where does there exist any data backing up your claim?

Is this what your Masters of Science has taught you? To make bogus claims and jump around with no data in hand?
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2017
rich , thanks for posting that

https://en.wikipe...drilling

clearly shows co2 response to warming
richdiggins
1.3 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
Well, here is another gem ...
https://en.wikipe..._problem

There is something going on every 100k years, outside of cow farts.
gkam
3.8 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
Did snoose look up the ten hottest years in all of history?

Perhaps he can tell us what they are.
antigoracle
1.5 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2017
And I got my opinion regarding Climate Change from earning a Master of Science in the field. How did you get yours?

Will someone ask this Pathological Liar, when did he get his Masters degree and when did he stop burning 400 dollars a month in gasoline?
Thanks.
richdiggins
1.5 / 5 (15) Jan 19, 2017
@gkam

Please elaborate on your "stable earth" theory.

Understand the climate is the result of the interactions of complex systems, resting in a stable state. We have perturbed that stable state, and now it will oscillate between extremes until it settles down into another stable state, possibly not one conducive to Human habitation.


To me, that sounds like something you were fed by a liberal professor, and then regurgitated it on us here today.
gkam
3.6 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2017
Look up Catastrophe Theory for the information on stable states. The particular book of that name is remarkably easy to digest, though the topic can be obfuscated by the rigorous mathematics.
richdiggins
1.3 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2017
This polarizes the topic of AGW + Climate change for me. There are obviously two conflicting views here. 1) Dynamic earth 2) Stable earth.

I have not seen any data backing up your claim that earth has been in a stable state of ever.

If I had some data showing me that earth was previously stable throughout the eons.... then, and only then would I be inclined to be concerned with AWG.

Instead, there is a lot of data showing fluctuations over time... rather large fluctuations. Some of them are periodic. The earths climate has never been stable, its constantly changing.

Now, regarding "Catastrophe Theory" ... Has nothing do to with establishing this baseline "stable" state of earth that you claim to exist.
antigoracle
1.6 / 5 (14) Jan 19, 2017
There is nothing stable about the earths climate. There has never been a stable climate on earth. That is the point.

You should ask the pathological liar, gskam, when we stop burning fossil to get back to that stable state, what it would look like and when did it last happen?
gkam
3.5 / 5 (13) Jan 19, 2017
diggins, perhaps you can stop re-characterizing my statements. I said nothing about a "stable Earth", you did. I thought you would at least find out what stable states were all about, but cannot do even that.

If you are too lazy to look up catastrophe theory, you can stay in gleeful ignorance.

Benni
1 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2017
Understand the climate is the result of the interactions of complex systems, resting in a stable state. We have perturbed that stable state, and now it will oscillate between extremes until it settles down into another stable state, possibly not one conducive to Human habitation


said nothing about a "stable Earth",


Well geek, there it is......you did too. Suddenly I feel like I'm looking in on the types of exchanges I have with Schneibo, RNP or Shavera.
snoosebaum
1.4 / 5 (11) Jan 19, 2017
https://en.wikipe..._problem

yes, lots to worry about there
antigoracle
1.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
Well geek, there it is......you did too. Suddenly I feel like I'm looking in on the types of exchanges I have with Schneibo, RNP or Shavera.

Like the rest of us, you'll soon realize that gskam is a Pathological Liar, who gets off on snagging the unsuspecting into his life of deceit. Just look at his response. Instead of pointing you to where he got his information, he first tell you to look one thing up, then when you do, he'll switch to something else and continue like that. Eventually he'll boast how his lies cannot hurt him.
gkam
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
No, "benni", I talked about climate being the resultant of many interactions between complex systems and their resulting stable states. Those states are dependent upon the inputs, which we have distorted with the additional energy we have put into the system.

Stable states, such as our climate can be perturbed and change states, such as from Iceball Earth to today's climate conducive to Human habitat.

Want to go back?
Benni
1 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
Instead, there is a lot of data showing fluctuations over time... rather large fluctuations. Some of them are periodic. The earths climate has never been stable, its constantly changing.


richdiggins- These AGWs do not want to have any discussion whatsoever about Earth's Orbital Cycles, it does not fit their frame of reference.

The AGW agenda is a comparison of comparing that which existed in a previous generation to that of a different generation. They use lengthy strings of weather data extrapolated based on generation by generation comparisons to determine what they imagine is NORMAL or what is ABNORMAL, then they go about creating an abnormal data table based on what they think is a NORMAL or STABLE generation of data.

The problem AGWs have with "stable" data is that Earth never stops moving & will not be in the same position with the Sun again within their lifetime, the integral is therefore indefinite & they never figure that out.

Benni
1 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
No, "benni", I talked about climate being the resultant of many interactions between complex systems and their resulting stable states. Those states are dependent upon the inputs, which we have distorted with the additional energy we have put into the system.


We have not put "additional energy into the system". Your biggest problem is you simply do not understand Mass/Energy Equivalence, the state of one stabilizes the state of the other preventing the runaway effects you imagine we can internally inflict on ourselves from INSIDE the planet's internal energy system.

richdiggins
Jan 19, 2017
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TheGhostofOtto1923
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 19, 2017
iggins, perhaps you can stop re-characterizing my statements. I said nothing about a "stable Earth", you did. I thought you would at least find out what stable states were all about, but cannot do even that
Sure you did. This bullshit of yours was debunked a long time ago. You didnt understand it back then and you demanded that people look it up when called on it, same as you are doing now.

An old psychopath trick.
Nope, diggins, my PV system only lets you use the power I would have used
-And you are forgetting that people here found out you have no PV or EV. You made it all up.

Get exposed, wait awhile and tell the same lie all over again. Another pitiful psychopath trick.

Anyone who engages with this serial liar is only feeding his need to exercise his manipulating skills, such as they are.
gkam
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 19, 2017
Okay, benni, you can do differential equations, so you figure it out.

Then, go look at the thermometer.

And read about catastrophe theory. If you can understand it, you can learn something.
Da Schneib
4.7 / 5 (12) Jan 20, 2017
People who deny climate for Trump are like people who deny evolution for Jebus.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (7) Jan 20, 2017
People who deny climate for Trump are like people who deny evolution for Jebus.

Chicken Little tards who deny reality for AGWism are like people who deny....
antialias_physorg
4.7 / 5 (13) Jan 20, 2017
Notice that Benni and all the other deniers are still dodging the question - even though theirs was answered by several people:

So how many record years will it take to change your minds?

Anyone? No? Didn't think so.

Intellectual dishonesty at its most blatant.
Guy_Underbridge
5 / 5 (11) Jan 20, 2017
Intellectual dishonesty at its most blatant.
AAP, I applaud your generosity with the horde of deniers that visit this site. I could have never of my own volition used the term 'intellectual' while referring to them, even in this context.
antigoracle
1 / 5 (8) Jan 20, 2017
Notice that Benni and all the other deniers are still dodging the question - even though theirs was answered by several people:

So how many record years will it take to change your minds?

Anyone? No? Didn't think so.

Intellectual dishonesty at its most blatant.

LOL.
1998 still hotter than every year that followed.
http://woodfortre.../to:2016

So, did CO2 decrease?
Can't accuse the Chicken Little tards of being dishonest, since that would require them to have a brain.
Benni
1 / 5 (9) Jan 20, 2017
People who deny climate for Trump are like people who deny evolution for Jebus.


So how many record years will it take to change your minds?
......tell ya what Mr Biologist, why don't you try explaining the warming that has occurred during times when CO2 levels were at 200-300 ppms as they have been in the past.

You AGWs like to come here to conduct phony chemistry classes amidst a short term warming period claiming this warming is based on a trace gas that comprises 0.04% of the atmosphere, yet the hottest periods on Earth have been recorded when CO2 was at points between 200-300 ppm as I point out in the next paragraph.

Throughout Earth's history, long before humanity came onto the scene ( 2,000 million years ago to 2 million years ago), the global climate was much warmer than now, with the global mean temperature as much as 8°C to 15°C warmer than it is today. During most of this time, the polar regions were free of ice & CO2 levels were 200-300 ppm.

gkam
3.3 / 5 (12) Jan 20, 2017
benni, it is not that simple. We are talking about the interaction of com,plex systems, remember? It ain't as simple as you simple folk assume.

You brag and brag and brag then boast about "differential equations", as if it meant something. Well, they are used in climate, Toots. Why don't YOU really do something with them and look into it?

Blathering here does nobody any good, benni, we need to see what you can do, after all of that bragging.
HeloMenelo
4.5 / 5 (8) Jan 20, 2017
aaahhhh so monkey goracle and his benni sock hiding away Here i see

Time to play !.... :D

Lol....Man this goon are upping the stupidity factor today, antigorillacle just cannot understand the complex science, he sees all the pretty equations and tells his askdaddy sock,,,oh look oh look, funny nrs let's post to the physorg using his benni sock, never even asking their daddies. i don't think special classes for the mentally misfortunate could raise the neuron activity in those thick skulls, However Bannanas will keep him coming back for more... here ya go monkey goracle...now remember to share with your socks, don't be greedy now... ;)
HeloMenelo
4.6 / 5 (10) Jan 20, 2017
Notice that Benni and all the other deniers are still dodging the question - even though theirs was answered by several people:

So how many record years will it take to change your minds?

Anyone? No? Didn't think so.

Intellectual dishonesty at its most blatant.

LOL.
1998 still hotter than every year that followed.
http://woodfortre.../to:2016

So, did CO2 decrease?
Can't accuse the Chicken Little tards of being dishonest, since that would require them to have a brain.


Fortunate they have super brains, therefore utilizing wonderful science to get to practical emperical results !
On the other hand you are still struggling to provide a sense of understanding as to your iterpretation of science and those beeeggg scary wooordss ;) of course making you look foolish in fron tof the world, everytime you share your misunderstandings. C'mon monkey the wekeends still long, let's playyyy ! :D
gkam
2.1 / 5 (7) Jan 20, 2017
"Fortunate they have super brains, . . "
-----------------------------------

But no thermometers?
novaman
Jan 20, 2017
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Benni
1 / 5 (8) Jan 20, 2017
Luv all the rhetoric about who the "deniers" are.

The "deniers" are those who are unable to grasp what, if any, connection exists between 200-300 ppm (0.02-0.03%) of CO2 content in the atmosphere & temperatures up to 15 degrees warmer than present, or this compared to 400ppm (0.04%) at present & the thermometer readings so much lower compared to what they would have been reading in the past.

The "deniers" are mostly the ones who couldn't solve a Rate of Reaction Equation if one were plunked down in front of them, hell's bells, they wouldn't even recognize what they were looking at much less be able to figure out how to solve it.

......anyway for you politocos, those of us with the know-how to solve problems are leaving you behind, it started at noontime today Jan 20, 1917 & we're doing it for our families in the USA but you're more than welcome to come along for the ride. Those of you outside the country, you're on your own.
Pumastar
5 / 5 (8) Jan 20, 2017
You don't solve problems you create problems, by boasting how good and great it feels to turn a blind eye to billions of tons of waste littering the world due to your arrogance, greed and unhumanity towards not letting the earth heal from fossil fuel destruction, yo are like, look at all the pollution and inhale it, then saying doesn't smell toxic enough, let's add some more billions of tons of carbon in our filthy air, unbelievable how selfish, and greed consumes you and your kind without any respect on the very world that keeps YOU alive.

Nothing but Greed and Low Life Pride fills your cup, your stupid fat old SUV must be bigger fatter, produce more carbon, and be Ugglier than the goon's next to me, You are all living Plastic lives And Breathing it, and Speaking it. Not even as to blinking an eye when you see all the destruction taking place due to Fossils Burning all over the world, not even 1 split second of a blink...
gkam
Jan 20, 2017
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snoosebaum
1 / 5 (2) Jan 20, 2017
the peak in global warmers has been reached , anyway NOAA will soon run out of HOT! HOT ! colours for their maps , maybe they can use HOT rod Flames !
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2017
My expectation, admittedly statistically and climate-model based, is that we will see a short period of cooling relative to the current peak in warming, followed by another long period of warming. I base this on the known sunspot cycle and the current state of the ENSO.
snoosebaum
Jan 21, 2017
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Da Schneib
5 / 5 (1) Jan 21, 2017
@snoose, why is that "good?"
snoosebaum
1 / 5 (2) Jan 21, 2017
glad to see you agree at least somewhat with the cooling idea ,and i would rather be warm
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (6) Jan 21, 2017
"Agree?" No, not really. 50,000 years from now is not next century. And next year isn't next century, either. You appear to be really fuzzy about timing. You'll want to pay closer attention than that if you want to talk about this stuff in terms that aren't so fuzzy as to be meaningless.

It's probably going to get cooler in the next couple years; not much, but cooler than the peak we've just seen. On the other hand, over the next hundred years it's going to get a lot hotter. And in 50,000 years it's going to get a lot cooler again.

Try to keep track of the conversation, will you?
HeloMenelo
5 / 5 (1) Jan 23, 2017
glad to see you agree at least somewhat with the cooling idea ,and i would rather be warm

just an goracle sock not getting any joy here, and never ever ever will.

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