Mysterious cosmic radio bursts found to repeat

March 2, 2016, McGill University
The 305-m Arecibo telescope and its suspended support platform of radio receivers is shown amid a starry night. From space, a sequence of millisecond-duration radio flashes are racing towards the dish, where they will be reflected and detected by the radio receivers. Such radio signals are called fast radio bursts, and Arecibo is the first telescope to see repeat bursts from the same source. Credit: Danielle Futselaar

Astronomers for the first time have detected repeating short bursts of radio waves from an enigmatic source that is likely located well beyond the edge of our Milky Way galaxy. The findings indicate that these "fast radio bursts" come from an extremely powerful object which occasionally produces multiple bursts in under a minute.

Prior to this discovery, reported in Nature, all previously detected fast (FRBs) have appeared to be one-off events. Because of that, most theories about the origin of these mysterious pulses have involved cataclysmic incidents that destroy their source - a star exploding in a supernova, for example, or a neutron star collapsing into a black hole. The new finding, however, shows that at least some FRBs have other origins.

FRBs, which last just a few thousandths of a second, have puzzled scientists since they were first reported nearly a decade ago. Despite extensive follow-up efforts, astronomers until now have searched in vain for repeat bursts.

That changed last November 5th, when McGill University PhD student Paul Scholz was sifting through results from observations performed with the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico - the world's largest radio telescope. The new data, gathered in May and June and run through a supercomputer at the McGill High Performance Computing Centre, showed several bursts with properties consistent with those of an FRB detected in 2012.

The repeat signals were surprising - and "very exciting," Scholz says. "I knew immediately that the discovery would be extremely important in the study of FRBs." As his office mates gathered around his computer screen, Scholz pored over the remaining output from specialized software used to search for pulsars and radio bursts. He found that there were a total of 10 new bursts.

The finding suggests that these bursts must have come from a very exotic object, such as a rotating neutron star having unprecedented power that enables the emission of extremely bright pulses, the researchers say. It is also possible that the finding represents the first discovery of a sub-class of the cosmic fast-radio-burst population.

"Not only did these bursts repeat, but their brightness and spectra also differ from those of other FRBs," notes Laura Spitler, first author of the new paper and a postdoctoral researcher at the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy in Bonn, Germany.

Scientists believe that these and other radio bursts originate from distant galaxies, based on the measurement of an effect known as plasma dispersion. Pulses that travel through the cosmos are distinguished from man-made interference by the influence of interstellar electrons, which cause radio waves to travel more slowly at lower radio frequencies. The 10 newly discovered bursts, like the one detected in 2012, have three times the maximum dispersion measure that would be expected from a source within the Milky Way.

Intriguingly, the most likely implication of the new Arecibo finding - that the repeating FRB originates from a very young extragalactic neutron star - is at odds with the results of a study published last week in Nature by another research team. That paper suggested FRBs are related to cataclysmic events, such as short gamma-ray bursts, which can not generate repeat events. "However, the apparent conflict between the studies could be resolved, if it turns out that there are at least two kinds of FRB sources," notes McGill physics professor Victoria Kaspi, a senior member of the international team that conducted the Arecibo study.

In future research, the team hopes to identify the galaxy where the radio bursts originated. To do so, they will need to detect bursts using radio telescopes with far more resolving power than Arecibo, a National Science Foundation-sponsored facility with a dish that spans 305 metres and covers about 20 acres. Using a technique called interferometry, performed with radio telescope arrays spread over large geographical distances, the astronomers may be able to achieve the needed resolution.

"Once we have precisely localized the repeater's position on the sky, we will be able to compare observations from optical and X-ray telescopes and see if there is a galaxy there," says Jason Hessels, associate professor at the University of Amsterdam and the Netherlands Institute for Radio Astronomy as well as corresponding author of the Nature paper. "Finding the host galaxy of this source is critical to understanding its properties", he adds.

Canada's CHIME telescope could help unravel the puzzle, adds Kaspi, who is Director of the McGill Space Institute. Thanks to the novel design of the soon-to-be completed apparatus, it is expected to be able to detect dozens of fast radio bursts per day, she says. "CHIME will further our quest to understand the origin of this mysterious phenomenon, which has the potential to provide a valuable new probe of the Universe."

Explore further: Could fast radio bursts be produced by collisions between neutron stars and asteroids?

More information: L. G. Spitler et al. A repeating fast radio burst, Nature (2016). DOI: 10.1038/nature17168

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cantdrive85
2.1 / 5 (18) Mar 02, 2016
Given how flawed astrophysicist's understanding of plasmas is any claims of the origin of these FRB's are flawed as well. It's just as likely it is more local than extragalactic.
Whydening Gyre
4.7 / 5 (24) Mar 02, 2016
Alien first contact...:-)
physman
3 / 5 (20) Mar 02, 2016
This is interesting stuff! It shows that if you want to be at the forefront of science you need to be looking beyond Occam's Razor, sometimes your assumptions will be correct and leave you ahead of the curve. Other times you'll be a crazy plasma troll..
Old_C_Code
3.5 / 5 (11) Mar 02, 2016
Other times you'll be a crazy plasma troll..


Why not just call it ionized gas and be sane?
Fools who ignore ionized gas which is as conductive as copper at only 1% ionization are the crazy ones. Just as they ignored radio engineers who spawned radio astronomy.
LifeBasedLogic
Mar 02, 2016
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Protoplasmix
4.6 / 5 (21) Mar 02, 2016
I think, some kind of such electromagnetic burst is what LIGO really detected on 2/11/16.
My article, "Gravity Waves Re-Define Spacetime", published on 2/20/2016 explains why researchers at Laser Interferometry Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) may be wrong in reporting detection and confirmation of speed of a gravity wave. You are invited to read my article at http://cosmology....es1.html . So, I conclude that a new model of cosmology is in order and I have opened a crack in a way to develop instantaneous communication by gravitational wave modulation. Maybe that is why SETI project has failed to detect extraterrestrial communications!
---Daniel Russell, physicist
I think you cracked your head. The same signal was detected first at LIGO Livingston, and after 7 milliseconds delay, it was detected at LIGO Hanford. Exactly what kind of physicist do you reckon yourself to be, Danny?
Mike_Massen
2.3 / 5 (27) Mar 03, 2016
cantdrive85 claimed
Given how flawed astrophysicist's understanding of plasmas is any claims of the origin of these FRB's are flawed as well
We have been down these rabbit holes with you before & you either cannot or refuse to converge on essentials !

Please articulate in your best language the top "flawed..understanding" so it can be properly examined head on, without bluster or unclear claims.

cantdrive85, what is the top issue & with any math/physics too ?

cantdrive85 shows a problem by stating
It's just as likely it is more local than extragalactic
This language doesn't help you, please articulate:-

1. Scale of 'local', parsecs, Kms, Light years & time etc ?
2. What probabilistic concept of "likely" do you rely on, Eg based on experiment or number of contradictory hypotheses, ie claims vs evidence please ?

Can you see cantdrive85 that without converging on core issue your claim "flawed" then you appear vague & uncommunicative, please articulate ?
viko_mx
Mar 03, 2016
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antialias_physorg
3.8 / 5 (17) Mar 03, 2016
Can you see cantdrive85 that without converging on core issue your claim "flawed" then you appear vague & uncommunicative,

Vagueness is the point of his posts. He's like the many doomsday sayers that are just hoping that one of their predictions will come true.

In his case he hopes that science will find something that can be twisted enough so that it might - under a very dim light - be construed to vaguely support what he's saying. In that case he'll come over all smug with "I told you so" (fully failing to understand that making a prediction without support is about as much worth as some one winning the lottery stating "I won because I knew these numbers would come - therefore I am a genius")

So to summarize: You will not get any math or quantifiable predictions out of him because that's exactly what he must avoid at all costs to keep his dream of ever being called a smart guy (rather delusion of same) alive.
jonesdave
3.2 / 5 (11) Mar 03, 2016
Given how flawed my understanding of science is any ............


FTFY.
Benni
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 03, 2016
You are invited to read my article at http://cosmology....es1.html . So, I conclude that a new model of cosmology is in order and I have opened a crack in a way to develop instantaneous communication by gravitational wave modulation. Maybe that is why SETI project has failed to detect extraterrestrial communications!
---Daniel Russell, physicist


Conclusion: You challenge the 5.1 sigma others have stated exists. Someone is, or more, in for a real career bust.


5 sigma is a measure of how confident scientists feel their results are. If experiments show results to a 5 sigma confidence level, that means if the results were due to chance and the experiment was repeated 3.5 million times then it would be expected to see the strength of conclusion in the result no more than once.
bluehigh
3.5 / 5 (10) Mar 03, 2016
Mad Mike and Anti Thinking licking each other with delight. Such sickening behaviour from dribbling fools. We need a cage for these two and feed them a cracker occasionally to keep them quite.
Benni
3.4 / 5 (22) Mar 03, 2016
Mad Mike and Anti Thinking licking each other with delight. Such sickening behaviour from dribbling fools. We need a cage for these two and feed them a cracker occasionally to keep them quite.


You would wish that someone like Anti_ Physics would stick to the biology section of this website where his degree in the mathless studies of Human Biology is more appropriate as compared to what he knows really knows about hardcore physics. Correcting him him & the Rrant-Brigade he associates with is pointless simply because their comprehension of math based science is so horrendous.
Osiris1
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 03, 2016
Think these gravity sppeed-o-light-minded boys are not Einstein followers but misguided protestants that want to imprison us on our home planet and set us up for wipe out by whatever is out there and wants us gone. Space IS compressable as well as expandible locally as well as cosmically. There probably is an undiscovered particle and maybe more than one fundamental force that can be modulated and used to warp space locally to enable star travel. Others have done it so if they can do it then so can we.
gculpex
3.9 / 5 (7) Mar 03, 2016
There probably is an undiscovered particle and maybe more than one fundamental force that can be modulated and used to warp space locally to enable star travel. Others have done it so if they can do it then so can we.


Who are 'they'?
Benni
3.5 / 5 (19) Mar 03, 2016
Phys 1......when do you expect to pass that 1st semester physics course so you can advance your sign-on to Phys 2?
Benni
3.4 / 5 (18) Mar 03, 2016
Yeah dr I was quoting you....saw your link in above article & thought it transferred quotes automatically like it does when Phys.org is quoted. Good website you have.
Benni
3.4 / 5 (18) Mar 03, 2016
You are a pathetic little fraud.
A mathematics midget. A physics insect. A blog pest.


OHhhhh,........ just laugh my ass off you scrawny little Piss 1 ant. You wouldn't recognize a Differential Equation if someone plunked it down in front of your face & asked you what it was you were looking at. You'll never get to Physics 2 because you can't even pass Physics 1.
Whydening Gyre
4.7 / 5 (23) Mar 03, 2016
P0 = a(P)P
m=(3m-2)x+3b-5
Benni,
provide solutions for the above.
Mike_Massen
2 / 5 (20) Mar 03, 2016
dnrussellms claims
... would not measure unforeseen interactions of red-shifted electromagnetic bursts with the LIGO detectors...
No.

Definitive Evidence shows substantively light is NOT affected by electromagnetism !

Evidence long confirmed historically & often repeated by Physics students at uni/tech colleges globally & so far never refuted !

dnrussellms please understand maxwell's equations well which, in relation to experimental Evidence confirm the Physics/Math basis for Fact light is NOT affected by electromagnetic 'bursts' by virtue of the electric field -> perpendicular to magnetic field indicates (over the wavelength) they SUM so not only do not radiate perpendicularly during the wavelength E/M transition & this means, due to the reciprocal imperative, aren't similarly influenced

Please Look dnrussellms, fundamental Physics/Maths AND evidence refute your claim

Perhaps you can craft an alternate Experimental Method & rationalize it with Physics ?
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (27) Mar 03, 2016
@Benni
You don't even know what 5 sigma means.
You copypaste a crummy explanation without revealing the source,
as if it were your own words.
Blog roach.


Oh it is much worst that Phys1-Skippy. You want a really big laugh at Bennie-Skippy's expense? Hoyeei, hang on to your chair.

You know how Bennie-Skippy is always crowing about his differential equations and how knows everything there is to know about Einstein and really hates all the peoples here who don't do nothing but snip & glue? Well follow me along for this,,,,,,,,
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (28) Mar 03, 2016
P.S. number one for Phys1-Skippy.

Bennie-Skippy was teaching the idiots here about the black hole radius and how to cipher it,,,,, http://phys.org/n...firstCmt

For instance, when Scwarzschild designed his first ever black hole, he required a vacuum, i.e. T_(mu, nu) = 0; and also required spherical symmetry; i.e. that the centre of the object would be the attractor and that moving 'around' the centre, while remaining the same distance from it, you would feel no change in the gravitational field. Imposing this restriction upon the metric tensor (plus a couple of others) leads to a set of equations that can in fact be solved exactly, and the metric tensor that comes out of that describes the Schwarschild black hole, the simplest black hole model; thought of in 1916 but not called a black hole until the 60s when they realised their significance.


Pretty good, eh? Wait for it,,,,,,
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (28) Mar 03, 2016
P.S number two for Phys1-Skippy.

Look at what ol Ira-Skippy ran into on the interweb,, https://answers.y...9AAPuFyU

For instance, when Scwarzschild designed his first ever black hole, he required a vacuum, i.e. T_(mu, nu) = 0; and also required spherical symmetry; i.e. that the centre of the object would be the attractor and that moving 'around' the centre, while remaining the same distance from it, you would feel no change in the gravitational field. Imposing this restriction upon the metric tensor (plus a couple of others) leads to a set of equations that can in fact be solved exactly, and the metric tensor that comes out of that describes the Schwarschild black hole, the simplest black hole model; thought of in 1916 but not called a black hole until the 60s when they realised their significance :)


If I didn't know any better, I would suspect that Bennie-Skippy was using Ask-Yahoo-Skippy for help with his physorg homework.
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (27) Mar 03, 2016
And don't nobody try to claim I made it up and am lying. As usual like I always do, I postumed up the links to where I get my crazy suspicions.

Yeah, a lot of peoples on here do that, and since I am not the trained scientist, I use a Google-Skippy tool that you can use to plug in something that somebody writes and it tells you where they stole him from. There are more than just Bennie-Skippy here that tries to get other peoples material to make him self look smarter than he is.
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (23) Mar 03, 2016
And don't nobody try to claim I made it up and am lying. As usual like I always do, I postumed up the links to where I get my crazy suspicions.

Yeah, a lot of peoples on here do that, and since I am not the trained scientist, I use a Google-Skippy tool that you can use to plug in something that somebody writes and it tells you where they stole him from. There are more than just Bennie-Skippy here that tries to get other peoples material to make him self look smarter than he is.

And watch his response to my poser...
Mike_Massen
1.6 / 5 (21) Mar 03, 2016
Uncle Ira Liar & Bully claims
And don't nobody try to claim I made it up and am lying. As usual like I always do, I postumed up the links...
No & you can't prove it, these are your problems, failures & ugly cheating style:-

1. You cheat posting false quotes to denigrate unintelligently
2. You fail in all Physics/Maths in any of these threads
3. You use facile humour to put people down
4. You always munt people's names to again denigrate
&
5. You deliberately mix claim & evidence for personal attack

Show these fabled (google) links you rely upon to Prove your Ugly bullying tactic directed against me, such as

a. You claim my ebay account closed for fraud (Purple_Engine)
b. You claim I made up testimonials about my products
c. You claim I am a 'meth head'
d. You claim I am irrational

Uncle Ira, all you have Ever done on this forum since you started is attempt facile humour as a bullying tactic to denigrate & LIE.

You are a Mad, Liar, Cheat & Bully !
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (27) Mar 03, 2016
No & you can't prove it
Uh... mike
man, i know you hate ira but you are letting your emotions over-ride your logic

if you follow the links and also read the quotes, he DOES prove benni plagiarized yahoo and didn't give source or reference to the original author (yahoo)

in fact, it proves benni is a liar too

now, i know you want to lash out about what happened to you but you are making yourself look bad above because you didn't actually read what was posted... then attempted to jump in and defend a known troll and idiot because you are pissed at ira

get a grip, man
Mike_Massen
1.6 / 5 (21) Mar 04, 2016
Captain Stumpy says
in fact, it proves benni is a liar too
As Uncle Ira is "too" - that's patently true as Evidence shows it !

Captain Stumpy says with implied prejudice
now, i know you want to lash out about what happened to you
No, observe how you respond ignoring evidence :-(

All I've done is remind/alert all Uncle Ira is a Proven Liar, Cheat & Bully who *only* makes false impressions to denigrate & further odd ball irrational personal attack

All I've stated about him/her/it is absolutely true !

All claimed about me is FALSE/Defamatory & as Evidence substantively shows

Captain Stumpy, YOU need to get a grip, you're suffering confirmational bias oddly infected by Uncle Ira's prejudice which *only* raises his self-esteem by denigrating others :-(

Emotional attachment Captain Stumpy operates here as any religion.

Please appreciate Evidence, not idle unintelligent claim affecting your integrity, it only started when I offered moderation re gkam !
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 04, 2016
Mike-Skippy shrieks,
Blah, Blah, and a extra Blah

PROVE IT!!!

Mike-Skippy whines,
Blah, Blah, and a triple Blah

You are becoming unhinged again. Time to go in for some more treatments?

Mike-Skippy lies,
Blah, Blah, and some really weird more Blahs

You need to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!

Mike-Skippy foolishly insists,
Blah, Blah,,, well you get the picture

LEARN PHYSICS!!!!!

Yes-sir-ree-roo, I am sure that the special computer program I made with the guy who used to work for the CIA is on track,,,,,

Ira-Skippy's Input: All the Mike-Skippy Stuffs

Super-Duper-Computer Output: Narcissistic Personality Disorder, AND Histrionic Personality Disorder, AND Borderline Personality Disorder, AND maybe a Meth-Head User Too. Get him in for help. Soon. I mean really hurry.

Thanks Super-Duper-Computer, that's what I was thinking too. The silly looking pointy cap sure looks good on though.
bluehigh
5 / 5 (7) Mar 04, 2016
Please appreciate Evidence, - Mad Mike

(Said to CS)

Whoa. Bizarre.

Hey Captain, I guess you are gonna have to tone down your feelings regarding Evidence and Only appreciate. :-)

Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (21) Mar 04, 2016
No, observe how you respond ignoring evidence
about whom? you or benni-tard?
because the evidence is clear WRT benni... you are pissed about you, and thus you decided that, since Ira posted about benni, you would cry foul

problem is mike... you can't prove Ira is WRONG about benni

as for the rest: i stopped reading
you are going to take out your frustrations on me when i wasn't even involved in what happened, nor did i see/experience much of it

you want to blame someone - fine
blame ira, blame me. i am a big boy and you obviously need a target to lash out at

but i will say this: you want to post more ad hominem or claims about me, you better link evidence, mikey

.

I guess you are gonna have to tone down your feelings regarding Evidence and Only appreciate
@blue
i can appreciate Blue Bell Ice Cream! ... my personal fav is Country Vanilla
right now i am craving a shot of 21y/o Chivas though...
or a big *ss bottle of Lambrusco

aint picky

jonesdave
3 / 5 (10) Mar 04, 2016
To Phys1: Yes, I agree. Read my article at:http://cosmology....es1.html


Care to tell us who did the peer review on that?
bluehigh
4 / 5 (8) Mar 04, 2016
Re: Benni votes.

Consistently up vote - no. Occasionally yes. I'm guilty of having an opinion.

FFS Phys you're such a petty lowlife empty shell.

I vote the Captain down occasionally when he gets wobbly or if I disagree. So what?

Anyway the Captains got some 21y/o Chivas and icecream so I better be careful or I'll get none!

The Rugby League footy has started for the season. Tonight the Bulldogs thrashed the Sea Eagles.

gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 04, 2016
Mike, you got Ira nailed. Since I have your email address, shall I send to you the copies of what I sent to Ira and Stumpy as proof? You probably read what they said about them, but you have to see the real documents, and then, you can relate them here, and the two can just sulk. It reveals more about them than me, since it shows how they lied about them.

Kinda increases their embarrassment over being who they are.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 04, 2016
Stumpid or VV are posting it's an automatic 1
@full-of-bs
i vote benni on content...
... i used to vote your posts on content too... but now i only vote you automatically a 1 based on your track record here and towards me. you started it... it's not like i actually care that a troll downrates me... that is like caring about popularity
i care about the evidence... and that is the one thing that you are also consistently lacking

your tactics:
can't prove it?
-keep repeating it

no one believes you?
-find a blog that uses big words or repeats your claims OR intentionally misinterpret the studies with delusional claims (then claim it is every bit as viable-without evidence)

still no reputable evidence?
-blame the MS for conspiracy and being stupid/wrong/etc

evidence proving you wrong?
-tell everyone they are the only ones who can't get it ("reality appears to be beyond your conceptual reach")

repeat

just like every other crackpot here
gkam
1.4 / 5 (20) Mar 04, 2016
"just like every other crackpot here"
---------------------------

Well, you claimed to be a "Truck Captain", but cannot prove it. Isn't PROOF what you make everyone else provide?

Where is yours? I gave you mine.

Where is yours?
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 04, 2016
Where is yours?
http://www.emaila...ning.jpg

(you must realise that i ain't giving you any more personal information... right?
i mean, you already have proof sent to your e-mail from me, therefore, your insistence on seeing proof here is just a means to argue and troll... and stalk! i got ANOTHER groupie! WOOHOO!)
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 04, 2016
"just like every other crackpot here"
---------------------------

Well, you claimed to be a "Truck Captain", but cannot prove it. Isn't PROOF what you make everyone else provide?

Where is yours? I gave you mine.

Where is yours?

http://wp.patheos...x305.jpg
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (21) Mar 04, 2016
without proof of either existing, other than math
@full-of-bs
and observed phenomenon that is predicted in the theory... which is important

(analogy time, don't go all apesh*t, i know how these confuse you)

this is like saying: if you have 10 oranges, and the electric universe clan eats 4 of them, we can't possibly predict that there will be 6 oranges left because it's just "math"
so i say something doesn't exist because we have never actually seen it
stopped there because you're wrong: we've seen the effects of it. this is the same observational method that allowed sailors to know that the world was round and lead to a method to determine the earth was an oblate spheroid
Of course, that is how science works...
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (20) Mar 04, 2016
@full-of-bs
Actually, it's mostly just you I tell that you don't get it
like i really care?
i truly enjoy making you look stupid, especially when you post pseudoscience like your super-duper stage 4 cancer cure magnet engine: http://phys.org/n...apy.html

or your scorn for relativity because we can't define an observed phenomenon to your liking ( http://phys.org/n...tor.html )
complete inability to discern what can actually constitute evidence or when it can be provided, is why reality is clearly beyond your conceptual reach
funny thing... you've never once been able to actually prove this argument WRT to me...
Not once
not ever

but i've proved it applies to you, on the other hand (see 1st link)
YOU consider anecdote equivalent to scientific evidence!

but you say that i can't tell what constitutes evidence?
ROTFLMFAO
wow...
your transference and D-K are intense
bluehigh
4.5 / 5 (8) Mar 05, 2016
we've seen the effects of it
- icecream man :)

You've seen the effects of what?

It's no more than a guess as to the cause. Coincidental or mistaken IMHO

* snatches the Chivas and runs out the door *

Mike_Massen
1.4 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
@Captain Stumpy,
Sorry to say some odd emotional position impedes your comprehension re my posts, I have no patience for Benni, my post Not about him !

Please dispassionately review what I posted *only* in response to Uncle Ira's claim:-

"And don't nobody try to claim I made it up and am lying.." which is Wrong !

I proved unequivocally Uncle Ira is a Liar, Cheat & Bully, makes things up at the drop of a hat to try to garner acceptance on a Science forum, which he has nil capacity thus *only* snipes to follow mood

Captain Stumpy, please get a grip I'm not attacking you.

I'm indicating you're ignoring evidence I've shown earlier re Uncle Ira, I'm not lashing out at you at all. You missed Uncle Ira's post, he can't refute Evidence ?

You've stated those who make unsupportable claims should be 'not liked' or words to that effect, yet you ignore that totally re Uncle Ira, one wonders Why you are so very selective ?

Can you take a deep breath & clarify please ?
gkam
1.4 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
Mike, you are right about Ira, and I can send you some of the materials I sent him and Stumpy, thinking the truth would shut them up. Nope, they just refused to accept it, having no character to do so.

If you are interested, I'll send you some stuff, just to display the real character of Ira and Stumpy. I thought my personal performance reports would do it, but they must have not had the guts to read them.
Mike_Massen
1.4 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
gkam offered
Mike, you got Ira nailed. Since I have your email address, shall I send to you the copies of what I sent to Ira and Stumpy
Sure but, I'm very busy with several practical tech projects & attending more uni lectures, might be a while

IIRC Captain Stumpy said he couldn't check, something re you sign a doc. Surely you can get a confirmation of degree/masters yourself etc as its you asking since you have your IDs etc ?

gkam says
...their embarrassment over being who they are
Sorry gkam, not helpful, best to lift the tone rather than fall to Ghost/Ira's level :-(

Re Captain Stumpy, sort of feel sorry for him, timing/evidence shows he's been misled badly pulled down by Ira, I feel he's exasperated with level of comment flow & needs a break, he mostly has his heart in the right place re countering unsupportable claims but, I notice from Ghost/Ira he is a bit pliable to their ugly emotionally biased claims & thus has become selective...
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
"Re Captain Stumpy, sort of feel sorry for him, timing/evidence shows he's been misled badly pulled down by Ira,"
-------------------------------------

He turned very nasty for some reason, and began the same abusive nonsense as his brothers-in-character assassination. I sent them the copies of real documents, including the Master of Science, my thesis, and my personal reviews, papers not able to be invented. They both got even nastier.

No more. I am putting it in the hands of others.
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Mike-Skippy with histrionics,
Uncle Ira Blah, Blah, and another lying Blah.
Don't you feel silly carrying on like this Mike-Skippy?

Mike-Skippy PROVES he has reading comprehension problems
Uncle Ira lied about Blah, Blah and a really confusing Blah.
You really need one of those Hooked-On-Phonics things, get the one that has the speller checker (You might want some extra batteries you).

Mike-Skippy insists ol Ira-Skippy hurt his feelings by lying about him
Blah, Blah and Blah, and he is really ugly Blah.
PROVE IT!!!!

Mike-Skippy PROVES he needs some help
Blah, Ira, Blah, Ira, Blah, Ira and he hurt my feelings.
LEARN PSYCHOLOGY AND PHYSICS!!!!!

Mike-Skippy rants like a guy on drugs (or a really serious mental conditions)
Blah, he was mean, Blah, he hurt my feelings, Blah he is making me look STUPID, Blah, he stole my physorg GRAVITAS I put so much into building up. Blah he is ugly too.
So WHAT???
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (21) Mar 05, 2016
You've seen the effects of what?
@Bluehigh
dark matter
... the name is simply a placeholder for an observation which we can't define (call it a label of the unknown that we're seeking to clarify if you want)
It's no more than a guess as to the cause
if we consider that we have a lot of info validating SR/GR and we *do* know a lot about gravity, then the guesses are narrowed considerably
but you are essentially correct
* snatches the Chivas and runs out the door *
HEY!
you better save me some!
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Please dispassionately review what I posted *only* in response to Uncle Ira's claim
@mike
1- i *did* dispassionately review what you wrote
2- the whole beginning of your argument quotes Ira then degrades into a defensive response about YOU and ira... not about the particular post that he made against benniTROLL

Now, considering that your initial response was "No & you can't prove it" (which was wrong as he DID demonstrate/prove it)
and then degrades into the numbered attack which does NOT apply to the post he made (except #3- humour...maybe #4)
Then i have to disagree with you

not only did Ira PROVE his point re: benji,
but you were wrong to use *that post* as an example of him being wrong etc because you DID NOT PROVE HE LIED ABOUT BENNI

(this is my point above, and you keep getting distracted, so i put it in caps for you)

we have enough crap with g and benni, don't we?
2Bcont'd
gkam
1.6 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
"Sorry gkam, not helpful, best to lift the tone rather than fall to Ghost/Ira's level :-("
--------------------------------

That was exactly the point of displaying the good news, the positive news, of real stuff, not personal attacks, but experience.

If others saw their response to the truth, they could not claim credibility. But the damage is done now, and we have to act in some other fashion.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
@mike cont'd
You've stated those who make unsupportable claims should be 'not liked' or words to that effect, yet you ignore that totally re Uncle Ira, one wonders Why you are so very selective ?
Can you take a deep breath & clarify please ?
1- i do NOT like/uprate Ira's posts that i think are wrong
2- on the whole, if you look at Ira's posts, you can see that he has a far better track record than you give him credit
3- everyone makes mistakes
4- there are only certain ways to do ANYTHING about posts here: refuting, rating, reporting, ignoring

you are mad because ira went after you - sorry
i wasn't there
a person is based on their average (ratings)... i tend to take the same outlook
I downrate or uprate a POST based on it's merit (except specific posters who've started troll-rating-like gkam)
i judge a poster (individual) based on the same criteria - overall merit (overall, Ira is beneficial)

is that clear enough for you
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
@george
He turned very nasty for some reason
maybe it was because of your chronic lies and attacks on me when i was trying to HELP you?

i mean... you sent your initial stuff, and i was willing to validate it
I told you it would take time to authenticate (which you were fine with)

but suddenly it is NOT ok to do the same when you send your MIL records?
WTF?

worse still... any time you are proven to be wrong, you don't ADMIT to being wrong
YOU ATTACK - even if you don't have a leg to stand on (like ThZ)- you denigrate, you say "it's semantics" or that we're "wiki warriors" (IOW- you pull a benni)

so, you get proven wrong 'in your field of expertise" but instead of producing references (up to date) you call everyone else stupid, unreal, scared, mass-murderers, etc

there IS a reason you do this
https://www.psych...ttle-ego

PS-all ya gotta do is prove what you say -links/ref's
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Stop it. It is too late to pretend rationality.

Did you receive copies of not just my degree, but my DD-214 and even my personal performance reviews?

What did they say? Give me the quotations of the Commander and the Avionics Officer.
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
@Captain Stumpy
Unfortunately your attempt to clarify diverges & misses the mark !

Sorry, maybe you misread, I'm addressing Uncle Ira's claim didnt you see him write "nobody" have you got a different understanding of the English language it negates ref to Benni !

Can't you agree on that issue so as to converge & clarify ?

I've shown unequivocally Uncle Ira is a Liar, Cheat & Bully & thus anything he states is untrustworthy & completely useless, if moderation worked here he would be banned, don't you agree with that - at least so as to minimize noise & distraction at the least ?

Have you seen his last post - he's completely irrational ?

Captain Stumpy you've claimed Uncle Ira offers a "necessary function" please clarify precisely what you mean by such odd claim & examples really useful ?

You focus on votes, so then to be consistent with integrity you would of course down-vote Uncle Ira as he only attacks & nil use of any "outing" & nil Science ?
gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
Mike, please do not give the Stump a chance to dodge my question.

BTW, that request I made on email is no longer needed. Thanks.
Captain Stumpy
3.6 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
Sorry, maybe you misread, I'm addressing Uncle Ira's claim didnt you see him write "nobody"
@mike
considering that the word is in a specific post that refers to the content of said post, then i took it as written that nobody can prove he was wrong about said post

it is YOU who is reading into the word what you want for the sake of argument and lashing out at someone you don't like, mike
I've shown unequivocally Uncle Ira is a Liar
ok mike, lets use the above:
where in the above post against benni did ira make a claim that was a lie?

(don't bother with the quote you started out with and your justifications for it being"wrong" - it's already been addressed AND that is you reacting with hate instead of reading for content)

we will go from there
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (21) Mar 05, 2016
Did you receive copies of not just my degree,
Did he have engineering on him? Did he have Environmental on him? Did it have Energy on him? Did have Management on him? Did he School of Engineering, or Earth Science on him?

but my DD-214 and even my personal performance reviews?
But nobody ever said they didn't believe you were in the Air Force. I even wrote out the complete article in the newsletter about you winning the monthly prize. The one that said you didn't finish college and went to three different colleges to get two years worth of credit.

What did they say?
They probably don't say anything more than you kept your nose clean.

Give me the quotations of the Commander and the Avionics Officer.
I want to see some quotes about you where they say you are the Electronics Engineer, The Foundry Engineer, The Nuclear Reactor Engineer, The SENIOR Engineer, the Robotics Engineer., the Research Engineer,,,,
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
Have you seen his last post - he's completely irrational ?
No, i am not even reading your back-and-forth personal attacks

and considering that i personally think you are taking the above post out of context (his post to benni etc) for your own personal reasons ....

.

I want to see some quotes about you where they say you are the Electronics Engineer, The Foundry Engineer, The Nuclear Reactor Engineer, The SENIOR Engineer, the Robotics Engineer., the Research Engineer,,,,
@IRA
don't forget the NASA one!
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) says
1- i do NOT like/uprate Ira's posts...
a. Since you're focused on votes, have you ever downvoted Ira ?

CS claims
2- on the whole, if you look at Ira's posts, you can see that he has a far better track record than you give him credit
Beg Pardon, for what, snipes, nil Science, munting people's nicks as means to denigrate, please prove your claim, top 3 posts please

CS says
3- everyone makes mistakes
Sure but, Uncle Ira doesnt apologise, is that acceptable behaviour and since you are focused on votes why don't you downvote him ?

CS says
4- there are only certain ways to do ANYTHING about posts here: refuting, rating, reporting, ignoring
As you should know it useless here & pointless against proven Bullies !

CS says
you are mad because ira went after you - sorry
Beg Pardon, what the Heck does this mean please ?

Sorry CS, appears you want to avoid upsetting Uncle Ira so he won't downvote you, See my 1st Q.a here ???
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
" The one that said you didn't finish college and went to three different colleges to get two years worth of credit."
----------------------------------

Thank you for that display of my assertion. These are permanently here, Ira.

Now, let's see what Stumpy does with those quotations from the officers at the Air Force Flight Test Center.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
have you ever downvoted Ira ?
@mike
YES, when i thought he was wrong. and i let him know, too
Beg Pardon, for what
finding trolls, liars, zephir, socks and idiots-i already told you that
please prove your claim
he caught gkam in lies about radio and more
Uncle Ira doesnt apologise
neither does george, or most others here- i ain't their momma, and i can't MOD with no rights/access
As you should know
correct
what the Heck does this mean please
it means exactly what it says. you're mad... i'm sorry you are pissed and that you were attacked
I'm not a MOD, mommy, leprechaun, deity or djinn, so i can't do anything but listen
appears you want to avoid upsetting Uncle Ira
why?
i am not focused on "votes" -that is called a false claim
i used an analogy
are you having context/literacy problems today?
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
Captain Stumpy says
...and considering that i personally think you are taking the above post out of context (his post to benni etc) for your own personal reasons ....
Please re-read, Uncle Ira said "nobody" - this clearly negates Benni, cant you see that ?

In any case by your focusing timing (& votes) ahead of open content you appear emotionally attached as you have never said one thing ever to question/correct Uncle Ira's obtuse narrow personal attacks on anyone & so far as server records show you have never downvoted Uncle Ira ever !

Can't you see, you come across as mere follower or Uncle Ira's clone & thus, observations of others you are a sockpuppet appear to have credence, I don't think you have both nicks under you but, can you understand how that perception arises ?

Now Captain Stumpy I commend you for stating those that make "unsupportable claims" should "not be liked", which is a valid approach.

Why doesn't this apply to Uncle Ira then ?
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
@Mike-Skippy. YOU lie. I postumed the links I got my ideas about you from. I did not MAKE UP ANYTHING. What I said was in the links.

SO IT IS YOU THAT LIE!!!!

If your skin is so thin that ol Ira-Skippy's sense of ironic humor drives to hysteria maybe you should take the break.

Otherwise I am going to think you want to carry this thing on under the black flag. glam-Skippy was offered that choice and advised not to take it.

A couple of your podnas suggest to me to let your foolishness go because you were just weird like that. I told them okayeei, I will only reply to what he says to me. That is about to change Cher, it is your choice.

But I will warn you going in you can not hurt my feelings, you can not make me mad, you can not embarrass me, and you won't ever find me without a reply. Ask glam-Skippy how easy it is to beat somebody with all that rolled into one person. My goal is to laissez les bons temps rouler and you won't like it. But I will.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
"he caught gkam in lies about radio and more"
---------------------------------

You have it backwards, but do not know it, because you do not want to believe it. And since you do not know heterodyning from menstruation, I doubt you did it rationally.

It is over, Stumpy. I am going to stop the character assassination. You will not like it.

Now, be a good truck captain and post the complete short paragraph and sentences from the Commander and the Avionics Officer in my very first ever performance report.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Please re-read, Uncle Ira said "nobody" - this clearly negates Benni, cant you see that ?
@mike
IN CONTEXT now
it starts out with
Oh it is much worst that Phys1-Skippy. You want a really big laugh at Bennie-Skippy's expense?
it ENDS 4 POSTS LATER with
And don't nobody try to claim I made it up and am lying. As usual like I always do, I postumed up the links to where I get my crazy suspicions
you took a singular quote in a singular post and tried to ASSume it was a personal attack (or challenge) without reading it all in context
did you forget about the 1000char limit?
No, you just wanted an excuse
In any case by your focusing timing (& votes) ahead of open content you appear emotionally attached
so now you are going to pick a fight with me by lying about me?
Can't you see, you come across as mere follower
i don't give a f*ck i people think i am the flying spaghetti monster! LOL
gkam
1.2 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
"Otherwise I am going to think you want to carry this thing on under the black flag."
------------------------------

Please note this warning by Ira. He is responsible for any attacks or nastiness.

And where are those paragraphs, Stumpy? Okay, then post some of YOURS!! YOU are the one calling everyone else bad names.
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
Captain Stumpy (CS) says re Uncle Ira
.. when i thought he was wrong. and i let him know, too
Where pls ?

CS says
finding trolls, liars..
How, Eg please ?

CS says
..caught gkam in lies about radio..
Where pls ?

CS claims
it means exactly what it says. you're mad...
Beg Pardon, how is being tenacious bringing to task a proven Liar, Cheat & Bully somehow Mad ?

Your claim shows evidence of emotional prejudice !

CS claims
i am not focused on "votes" -that is called a false claim
No. You opened that issue not me !

CS claims
.. an analogy
Doesnt read as that

CS asked
are you having context/literacy problems today?
No and shows you're a following prejudice not a leader to moderate as Eg I offered re gkam vs Uncle Ira initially

Your (emotional) claim Uncle Ira provides a necessary function has negligible weight & nil evidence, Uncle Ira comments After the event - your judgement is sullied, its sad you fail to see that :-(
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Now Captain Stumpy I commend you for stating those that make "unsupportable claims" should "not be liked", which is a valid approach.

Why doesn't this apply to Uncle Ira then ?
@mike
you know... if you aint gonna read what is posted... and then you are gonna LIE about what is posted while lashing out, then i feel it is time to quit posting to you

ok?
thanks

.

You have it backwards
@beni-kam
you said
the poorly-shielded oscillator
IRA said
All communication engineers know about heterodyning
NASA says it was
Heterodyning
http://phys.org/n...uts.html

who's backwards now, beni-kam?
ROTFLMFAO

wanna talk about me getting the ThZ wrong now too?
LMFAO
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
Captain Stumpy claims
you know... if you aint gonna read what is posted
Do you mean here, if so what, or elsewhere ? I don't seem to get all notifications, in any case I'm on many forums, what do you think I didnt read ?

Captain Stumpy claims
.. and then you are gonna LIE about what is posted while lashing out, then i feel it is time to quit posting to you
Beg Pardon ?
I am not "lashing out" & havent Lied !

Do you claim here or on other threads, its understandable you're overwhelmed & feel an onslaught, Uncle Ira hasnt helped & *only* adds noise & cannot enter any Science dialectic :-(

Likely I havent received all notifications, please clarify precisely, your claim had better hold up squarely & head on or you will be seen to be a mere follower of prejudice ?

To call me a liar Captain Stumpy, has me perplexed, you had better be correct, its important so please clarify properly ?

Hope you notice, if I'm proven wrong I apologise, Uncle Ira refuses !
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Okay, I will post some of the stuff Stumpy will not. It is not to brag, it is to show you what he has in hand and will not reveal for fear of what it reveals about himself.

In a Supplemental Sheet to Rating Form 77 attached to my first review the Commander added:

"Airman Kamburoff is a hard-working, conscientious airman with an usually mature outlook on life. He is a credit to this organization I wholeheartedly concur with this outstanding report. The Air Force needs more airman of this man's caliber and I strongly recommend his promotion at the earliest possible opportunity. His outstanding abilities were recognized when he was selected as Center Airman of the Month in competition with all other airmen on base."

That is only one in the stack, the one I sent to Stumpy, which he refuses to acknowledge. This was not to shine a light on me, it was to expose Ira and Stumpy and otto for being character assassins.

It will be stopped.
Mike_Massen
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
@Captain Stumpy

Whats this re munted nick beni-kam, what did I miss Captain Stumpy, is it ok to dis-respect per Uncle Ira's skippy/cher/couyon or something as a "necessary function" ?

You trying to be offensive to both Benni & gkam at same time to be efficient or tangentially claiming they're the same - history shows not the case ?

Benni claims to be a Nuclear/Electrical Engineer but, has never proven it & gets many Engineering concepts not just skewed but often completely wrong !

gkam is >70 and occasionally mis-spoke - understand it happens to us all and is NOT a means to drive more ugly prejudice as idle follower or Ghost/Ira, can you see Captain Stumpy that doing it is the pattern of mindless personal attacks which TheGhostofOtto1923 & Uncle Ira pursue as both lack basic ethics :-(

It would be very sad Captain Stumpy, if you were to fall further down to that low level and especially so with odd ball claims of "necessary function" :-(
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
what do you think I didnt read
@mike
everything i wrote above, so far, starting with my post answers to you about WHY IRA... OR you are ignoring it
I am not "lashing out" & havent Lied
you posted
Please re-read, Uncle Ira said "nobody" - this clearly negates Benni

by your focusing timing (& votes) ahead of open content you appear emotionally attached

you have never said one thing ever to question/correct Uncle Ira's obtuse narrow personal attacks on anyone

you come across as mere follower or Uncle Ira's clone

appears you want to avoid upsetting Uncle Ira so he won't downvote you

why don't you downvote him
ALL wrong (or technically wrong, see explanation above re: benni posts) therefore, technically a lie as well as lashing out as you are ignoring the data presented for the sake of your own personal emotional state
see also: https://www.psych...ttle-ego

Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
@mike cont'd
You trying to be offensive to both Benni & gkam at same time to be efficient or tangentially claiming they're the same - history shows not the case
gkam is acting exactly like benni - take my word, NOT THE EVIDENCE
Benni claims to be a Nuclear/Electrical Engineer but, has never proven it & gets many Engineering concepts not just skewed but often completely wrong
same for gkam (NO PE or waiver, gets facts wrong - you know, all this is already mentioned above... you really AREN'T reading my posts, are you?)
is NOT a means to drive more ugly prejudice
it IS justified when said person refuses to accept modern knowledge, reality or factual references/evidence that refute his claim, then said idiot lashes out at the person providing evidence making ad hominem sniping character assignations like: soldiers are mass murderers; anyone who owns a gun is spineless and afraid of [insert unsubstantiated claim]; we're not "real" (WTF does that mean?);etc
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
@Mike-Skippy. Okayeei, apology accepted Cher and no hard feelings.

Friendly advice since we got that out of the way.You think you can read between the lines to get at what a person really means to say and what it means to you. But you are really bad at it and don't even read the lines correct non. There ain't nothing between the lines but blank white space.

This is what got my super duper computer program that I developed with a former CIA analyzer to thinking you have a serious mental conditions. You are really the mental case Cher. I can PROVE IT!!! Your postums and the way you write are all the proof anybody needs for proof. You think it makes you look professorial with grande gravitas, eh? It makes you look silly and weird.

So instead of telling everybody to LEARN PHYSICS!!!! Maybe you should work on your GRAMMAR and SPELLING!!!!! It is mostly incoherent and over emotional.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
It would be very sad Captain Stumpy, if you were to fall further down to that low level and especially so with odd ball claims of "necessary function"
@mike
past post re: this topic - especially since you are not reading what i wrote and are assigning emotional value not present AND you are lashing out now
1- is that a threat? LOL don't start pulling a benni/gkam!

2- i am doing what i have ALWAYS done, since i started here (before Ira, BTW)
nothing has changed... you are reacting due to an emotional lack of clarity

3- i support IRA and the anti-troll nose of his JUST LIKE i support Otto's anti-troll nose, as well as YOUR OWN anti-Troll nose (when they've been correct and proven with links AS NOTED)

if i give up on one, i will HAVE to give up on ANYONE who posts comments, yourself included
shall i just start reporting all your anti-IRA comments too?

gkam
1.4 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
You got no apology.

You did not even have the character to correctly describe what I sent you, not having the character, I guess. You called the front page of the newspaper announcing my award as an invitation to talk to the Rotary club, or something,, which was at the bottom of the article.

It may be a silly game to you, Toots, but I used my real identity, and when you intentionally abused me, you screwed up.

Denials will not work on the internet.
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
You got no apology.

You trying to stir trouble again? Make me the misere, eh? Well I tell you one thing couyon you. I accepted Mike-Skippy's apology and not one from you. So don't come around begging me to non, cause I'll cut you if stand still and choot you if run. Now why you don't do some consulting stuffs with the engineers before you get hurt p'tit boug? And you can wear your silly looking pointy consulting cap with stars and moons on him while you consult with them if you want to, I am sure that will be good for your business.
ScienceFair
4.6 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
gkam, you are a whiny little bitch. Quit complaining about how others treat you and get a life.

Really now, this business about he said this, he said that, is just pathetic. If the best days of your life are from the 1960s, you have wasted the air of those around you.

Please feel free to tell me I am bad, you are good, Ira did this, Stumpy, did that, Otto did this, Estevan did that... BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO.
Captain Stumpy
3.8 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
Okay, I will post some of the stuff Stumpy will not
http://s1027.phot...p;page=1

password = VALIDATE
all caps
That is only one in the stack, the one I sent to Stumpy, which he refuses to acknowledge
posted publicly in FEB and linked here
http://phys.org/n...ich.html

any other lies, g?

LMFAO

RealityCheck
2.2 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
@ScienceFair. You're not helping anyone by adding your own personal prejudice and malice aforethought. And your ignorant comments disrespect those pioneering elder practitioners who developed the practical science and engineering skills and knowledge base from which the modern engineering disciplines in environmental, nuclear, communications, power and air transportation were built. I some time ago pointed out to all that, before many engineering categories and fields became formalized and credentialed as such, it was the pioneering elders who went from project to project, instructing, advising and teaching the newly minted students of engineering the practical bits which their theoretical studies did not equip them with. These elder pioneering PRACTITIONERS didn't have many FORMAL credentials from some course or other, because THEY were the ones who CREATED the courses which later engineers were credentialed by.

Not understanding this breeds personal prejudice. Rethink it.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
@rc
you only scored as high as you did because there is some truth in the comment
however, you are AGAIN ignoring the entire exchange above for the sake of a chance to proselytize... for starters
These elder pioneering PRACTITIONERS didn't have many FORMAL credentials
beni-kam's whole argument is that he DOES have the creds and he should be accepted as being correct becuase "he is real" or his argument from authority... and that the references and evidence that refutes him IS WRONG
see his argument against NASA, ThZ or radio waves for demonstrations about this

if you want to post a soliloquy, at least you could read the exchanges and be more relevant and accurate, eh?

because your posts demonstrated that you not only IGNORED everything above, but that you specifically targeted one persons comment without taking the context of the situation and considering it

in your own words:
Rethink it. Do better, Mate :-)
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
"ScienceFair", I mean, otto, Hide and watch.
RealityCheck
2.1 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
@CapS. :)

I didn't mention Beni at all. I made a general observation relevant to the age in which gkam and other pioneering skilled practitioners of his era operated and why they may not have had all the formal engineering credentials because they were the ones who created the formal system and courses which gave subsequent engineers THEIR credentials.

That is the salient point. Not proselytizing at all. Merely informing those who are ignorant of that historical fact and so disrespect our pioneering skilled practitioners of that era who built all the engineering knowledge base and practice which created the modern disciplines in the relevant fields.

So focus on that salient HISTORICAL understanding of where gkam is coming from; which should dispel all the disrespect and misunderstandings underlying these interminable unwarranted personal attacks.

CapS, if you keep making it about everything BUT that, then you are allowing unfounded attacks/disrespect by others. Rethink. :)
Old_C_Code
2.6 / 5 (10) Mar 05, 2016
Massen, Stumpy, Ira -- Clearly all three mentally ill. Just look at this thread.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
I made a general observation relevant to the age in which gkam and other pioneering skilled practitioners of his era operated and why they may not have had all the formal engineering credentials because they were the ones who created the formal system and courses which gave subsequent engineers THEIR credentials.
That might have been true more than100 years ago. But in the 60's and 70's and 80's, engineers ALL went engineer school.

Merely informing those who are ignorant of that historical fact and so disrespect our pioneering skilled practitioners of that era who built all the engineering knowledge base and practice which created the modern disciplines in the relevant fields. You still are missing your "take on it" by 100 years or more.

So focus on that salient HISTORICAL understanding of where gkam is coming from
From the HISTORICAL focus on physorg, the glam-Skippy writes here the stuffs pulls out of his butt.

HISTORICAL here he gets most stuffs wrong.
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
Massen, Stumpy, Ira -- Clearly all three mentally ill. Just look at this thread.

Well I won't speak for the Captain-Skippy, but Cher I would be careful you. You ever seen his picture on the profile page? That is not a man I would want to meet in the dark.

Yeah, Mike-Skippy is clearly mentally ill, my computer that I designed with the help of a former CIA super spy and profiler clearly says Mike-Skippy got more than a few serious issues with his mental condition.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. Moi? You just made Mrs-Ira-Skippette's day. She has been telling me that since before we were married 15 years ago. And it does not look like she is going to let up anytime soon, non.

But take a seat, it's going to get better, Really-Skippy wants to play too it seems.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (20) Mar 05, 2016
"Yeah, Mike-Skippy is clearly mentally ill, my computer that I designed with the help of a former CIA super spy and profiler clearly says Mike-Skippy got more than a few serious issues with his mental condition."
---------------------------------------

STOP IT!

You and Stumpy and otto may be phonies, snipers hiding behind phony names, but Mike is a real person, and you are slandering him in a public forum! Did you have no parents?

Have you no sense of decency?

There is no Mrs Skippette, or she would have you by your dirty "Cajun" ear, washing your mouth our with soap. The Cajuns I knew in the South were NOTHING like you.

We are going to stop your character assassination, Ira. You have gone to far.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

No, mate. That trajectory of skilled practitioners continued into the mid-20th century. There was much practical knowledge which the nascent formalized theoretical instructional courses did not cover...that is why the properly qualified engineer had to also go into the field and learn what the practical conditions in the real world involved which sometimes did not 'behave' as theoretically expected. And guess who they learned from? The skilled practitioners whose knowledge base gave a foundation to formalized disciplines in the respective fields. Even to this day the theorists are constantly "surprised" that some theoretically assumed behaviors do not match the reality. This sort of disconnect between theory and practice was even more common in gkam's era than now. That's why anyone disrespecting skilled practitioners of ANY era are being ungrateful and ignorant of the historical facts about how modern engineering disciplines and courses were built up.

Rethink. :)
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (21) Mar 05, 2016
Mike is a real person, and you are slandering him in a public forum!
Cher, go pick up your dictionary. I am not slandering him. I am mocking and ridiculing him. And he brought it on him self by the silly way he talks to peoples. He thinks it makes him look professorial with the grande gravitas. It makes him look like the brand new sophomore strutting about in front of the brand new freshmen.

That is not me slandering him, that is what he really looks like.

Have you no sense of decency?
Cher, you take your self too seriously.

There is no Mrs Skippette, or she would have you by your dirty "Cajun" ear, washing your mouth our with soap.
I poke fun but I NEVER use the bad language. Liar you, eh? And yeah, Mrs-Ira-Skippette laughs at and with me, even when she scolds me.

The Cajuns I knew in the South were NOTHING like you
Then you never met many, they are all like me, you add ethnology to the list of things you are the expert in?
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
RC, thanks, but it is emotional with Ira and stumpy, and just nastiness by otto. In fact, I was teaching Power Quality to utility engineers nationwide before the term was invented. I did it for the Electric Power Research Institute. That is where most of the 33,000 students came from, plus the additional engineers from power company customers.

This is just a grudge match for Ira.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
P.S. for you glam-Skippy because I ran short of letter spaces.

We are going to stop your character assassination, Ira. You have gone to far.
Now that really got to me. What, you going to start sending me threatening emails too? You and Mike-Skippy already tried the flood the front office with the "Ira-Skippy is mean" emails. And the ones where you really make them laugh about being libel for giving a place to be mean on. And the ones where you "volunteered" to be a moderator and "clean the place up".

You two give out to much mockable material, you should ask for a handicap or something. It's just not fair, eh Cher?
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
"Cher, you take your self too seriously."
-------------------------------

You have smeared, slandered me and hurt my reputation. I am areal person, not a hider like you. You play your little games here, hurting other people as long as you can hide so you do not take responsibility for your own words.

You are going to do that soon.
RealityCheck
2.2 / 5 (17) Mar 05, 2016
Hi gkam. :)

No sweat, mate. I am just making general observations for the benefit of passing readers so that they get a proper sense of perspective as to the era and the trajectory of how engineering disciplines formalized the knowledge and practices of the skilled practitioners which preceded the later formally credential engineers who learned the courses created from the knowledge base of the pioneering practitioners.

I am reminded of the case where a skilled technician (his 'title' was "Mister") in a lab dealing with microwave energy systems observed and deduced that microwaves could be used to heat materials. His formally credentialed 'superiors' (their 'titlle' was "Doctor") sneered at his knowledge/experience because they arrogantly believed their "Doctorates" made them 'superior' and so it was not possible that a mere "Mr" knew more than a "Dr'"did. Well, eventually it was proven that "Mr" was correct and the "Doctors" clueless. That 'Mr' was made a 'Doctor'. :)
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (21) Mar 05, 2016
You have smeared, slandered me and hurt my reputation. I am areal person, not a hider like you. You play your little games here, hurting other people as long as you can hide so you do not take responsibility for your own words.
You guys need to work some new materials. That one just doesn't work.

You are going to do that soon.
Cher what does that mean? Or is it one of slogans that don't really mean anything more "I am really mad at you"? Now tell the trut Cher, if somebody else wrote that, you would having the big fun mocking it, wouldn't you? You need somebody to help you when you postums stuffs here so you don't postum stuff so mockable.

Your turn. Why you don't try the "I beat you" line. I have the best time when you are "winning"
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
@ Really-Skippy. How you are Cher? Oh yeah, I am fine and loving life me.

Not that I doubt you but you have been known to make objectionable observations before so,,,,
That 'Mr' was made a 'Doctor'. :)
Did the former Mr. but then the Doctor have a name?

Just asking so I can do my diligence like you are always telling me to do.
RealityCheck
2.3 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Hi Ira. :)
@ Really-Skippy. How you are Cher? Oh yeah, I am fine and loving life me.

Not that I doubt you but you have been known to make objectionable observations before so,
Those "objectionable" observations have been proven correct and those who "objected" (ie, trolled and ridicule from a basis of arrogance, prejudice and ignorance) proven wrong. Doesn't get better than that to counter your wrong impression about my "observations", does it, mate.
That 'Mr' was made a 'Doctor'. :)
Did the former Mr. but then the Doctor have a name?

Just asking so I can do my diligence like you are always telling me to do.
Can't recall the names. It was just before development of Microwave Ovens/other MW tech from his pioneering work in a lab where he knew more than his Doctorate 'superiors' who delighted in disrespecting someone who clearly knew more than they did. I'm sure if you use your googling skills you can find the case/names involved. Resist disrespect. :)
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
Those "objectionable" observations have been proven correct and those who "objected" (ie, trolled and ridicule from a basis of arrogance, prejudice and ignorance) proven wrong.
Well if you say so.

Can't recall the names.
Of course you can't because the story as you told him is wrong.

It was just before development of Microwave Ovens/other MW tech from his pioneering work in a lab where he knew more than his Doctorate 'superiors' who delighted in disrespecting someone who clearly knew more than they did.
WRONG you are, shocking that but true. He was IN CHARGE of the lab working on radar around WWII. He discovered it by accident.His name was Spencer-Skippy. He WAS self taught, but when it came to microwave he was the TOP EXPERT in the lab. No disrespectful superiors. He got his "Honorary PhD" twenty years later.

I'm sure if you use your googling skills you can find the case/names involved
Did not need to, he was in a book I read last month.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
I am like a lawyer Really-Skippy. I never ask a couyon a question that I don't already have the answer too. But I am glad to see that glam-Skippy is welcomed into your club of trolls. JVK-Skippy, Bennie-Skippy, Really-Skippy, antigoricle-Skippy, Water-Skippy, dogbert-Skippy, Bart-the-Skippy, you guys ought get together in the Earthling Club House, you guys are a hoot. (But brilliant genius top-shelf expert hoots, as long as you are resisting respect.)
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
@ glam-Skippy. How you are again Cher? Still fine me, thanks for asking.

Since Really-Skippy seems to be dazzled by you being seven or six different kinds of engineer, maybe he will let you be a Honorable Earthing and join his club. But he has really high standards, he almost rejected my dog. Naa, you don't have worry, I got rejected me, the dog did better on the Earthling Club test.

If you are interested, I will give you some materials to study up on so you don't make the fool of your self taking the test like I did.

Here's a link to the stuffs covered on the Honorable Earthling Test. http://earthlingclub.com/

Peoples enjoy the joy of reading the Really-Skippy's pre-print of his upcoming book about Toes and everything.
RealityCheck
2.1 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Then I was correct in essential details from memory. Thanks for the confirmation.

He was the self-taught technical expert in that lab. The 'superior' visiting "Doctors' looked down on him as a mere "Mr". They dismissed his experience and knowledge. He was proven correct and they wrong by dismissing his experience and knowledge just because he didn't have a fancy title like they did. They were ignorant in that field and he taught them what they didn't know. He eventually got his honorary doctorate which meant more because he EARNED it by being correct while those visiting elitist snobs thought their fancy title guaranteed they knew it all because they passed some theoretical PhD course which missed the essential practical aspects involved.

So you knew the story/names involved, but asked for the names to check me out? Not very honorable, Ira. :)

In any case, your relating the story in more detail merely proved me correct (yet again) in the essentials. Thanks! :)
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Then I was correct in essential details from memory. Thanks for the confirmation.


But you were wrong and still clinging to the parts you got wrong.

The 'superior' visiting "Doctors' looked down on him as a mere "Mr".
That is wrong, you just made that up. The "Doctors" came to him from far and wide to seek out his expertise on microwaves. They did not look down on him, ever.

They dismissed his experience and knowledge.
That is wrong. He was the acknowledged expert in the field.

He was proven correct and they wrong by dismissing his experience and knowledge just because he didn't have a fancy title like they did.
You still making up facts out thin air. He discovered heating with microwaves by accident. They were not wrong, they never doubted him. They acknowledged his expertise BEFORE he thought of microwave heating.

P.S. for the rest because most of what you got wrong, you are still getting wrong.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
They were ignorant in that field and he taught them what they didn't know.
Where you get that idea? Radar was the hot subject in the late 30's and 40's. The best physicists in America and England were working on it.They knew the same stuffs he knew. He was their equal.

He eventually got his honorary doctorate which meant more because he EARNED it by
Making a lot of money for Raython Corp.

being correct while those visiting elitist snobs thought their fancy title guaranteed they knew it all because they passed some theoretical PhD course which missed the essential practical aspects involved.
You keep saying that but you are wrong They worked with him as an equal.

you knew the story/names involved, but asked for the names to check me out? Not very honorable
Knowing when you make up stuffs is dishonorable?

your relating the story in more detail merely proved me correct (yet again)
Well Cher, you are consistent, double down on wrong.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
I didn't mention Beni
@rc
1- read the freakin thread if you are going to comment

2- beni-kam is AKA liar-kam or gkam, and you know it because we discussed it already, so quit being stupid

3- the rest? TL;DR - BECAUSE you DIDN'T READ the whole conversation, thus, like elsewhere, you are out of context and don't understand the premise of the conversation NOR where it is going

to be a "senior engineer" you have to have a PE or Waiver. the ONLY way you can work as an engineer *without* one is to be SUPERVISED (means a REAL PE has to sign off on everything and take the brunt of screwups, etc... includes teaching)

if you aren't even going to learn about the subject and the SALIENT facts, or do some basic research, people aren't gonna take you seriously when your ToE comes out, or you go to another climate change conference to save everyone
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 05, 2016
Thanks! :)
You are welcome, now you won't get caught making up silly myths while you are making objectionable observations. Got to run Cher, I am a working man, sometimes. See you later and do your diligence better because getting schooled my me is not something you want be known for. (Ask glam-Skippy if you don't believe me.)

Oh yeah, I almost forget. You gonna let glam-Skippy into the Honorable Earthling Club? I recommend him highly and even showed him where can find some study materials for Honorable Earthing Test that my dog passed and I failed. (If I was the suspicious sort of Skippy I would think he cheated, just a little. He is a smart dog, but he snickered looked at me cross-eyed when I showed him the stuffs on the Earthling Club House place.)
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
Hi Ira. :)
Then I was correct in essential details from memory.

Make that GENERAL details.
He was the self-taught technical expert in that lab. The 'superior' visiting "Doctors' looked down on him as a mere "Mr". They dismissed his experience and knowledge.

Fact or perception?.
They were ignorant in that field and he taught them what they didn't know.

Or showed them a different way to look at what they did know...
those visiting elitist snobs thought their fancy title guaranteed they knew it all because they passed some theoretical PhD course which missed the essential practical aspects involved.

Fact or perception?
So you knew the story/names involved, but asked for the names to check me out? Not very honorable, Ira. :)

A little paranoid, RC?
In any case, your relating the story in more detail merely proved me correct (yet again) in the essentials. Thanks! :)

Sorry, but - no, it didn't.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
No, Toots, to be a Senior Engineer you have to hold the job and perform in it. I did for five of my 7 1/2 years with PG&E. I would send you my card, but you would lie about it, like you did with the thesis, the diploma, the Air Force awards, the NASA reports, and the other stuff still stuck in your craw.

You will be stopped attacking me, Ira/Stumpy.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
No, Toots, to be a Senior Engineer you have to hold the job and perform in it
"Engineers who offer their services directly to the public must be licensed. These licensed engineers are called Professional Engineers (PE). To become licensed one must have a degree from a program that is accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET), four years of relevant work experience, and successful completion of a state examination. Requirements vary by state." http://careerplan...neer.htm

In the United States, registration or licensure of professional engineers and engineering practice is governed by the individual states.- https://en.wikipe...d_States

Licensure for a consulting engineer or a private practitioner is not something that is merely desirable; it is a legal requirement for those who are in responsible charge of work, be they principals or employees.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (18) Mar 05, 2016
the first engineering licensure law was enacted in 1907 in Wyoming. Now every state regulates the practice of engineering to ensure public safety by granting only Professional Engineers (PEs) the authority to sign and seal engineering plans and offer their services to the public

Licensure for a consulting engineer or a private practitioner is not something that is merely desirable; it is a legal requirement for those who are in responsible charge of work, be they principals or employees.
http://www.nspe.o.../what-pe

Engineers in the United States need a bachelor's degree in engineering. Engineers who work with the public are also required to become licensed. Licensure requirements include completing an accredited program and passing a series of exams. Schools offering Computer Engineering degrees can also be found in these popular choices.

http://learn.org/..._US.html

Protoplasmix
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 05, 2016
Thought I'd take a break from watching (ad nauseam on Election Hindquarters) the leading republican cro magnon debating on a national stage with the science-deficient neanderthals about penis size, to see what interesting things folks were saying about the repeating fast radio bursts and – okayeei, Ira's gonna need more pointy hats to hand out... Cars version: https://www.youtu...BzgHXf64

And now for something completely different:
a scientist with two brains
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (19) Mar 05, 2016
http://ncees.org/...dard.pdf

As members of this profession, engineers are expected to exhibit the highest standards of honesty and integrity. ...Accordingly, the services provided by engineers require honesty, impartiality, fairness, and equity, and must be dedicated to the protection of the public health, safety, and welfare. Engineers must perform under a standard of professional behavior that requires adherence to the highest principles of ethical conduct.
http://www.nspe.o...e-ethics
this means not being a liar, from what i read
For consulting engineers and private practitioners, licensure is a virtual necessity. In fact, it is a legal requirement for those who are in responsible charge of work, be they principals or employees.
http://www.nspe.o...licensed
like SENIOR ENGINEERS??
Estevan57
4.8 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
"From the HISTORICAL focus on physorg, the glam-Skippy writes here the stuffs pulls out of his butt.

HISTORICAL here he gets most stuffs wrong." - Uncle Ira - The Cajun Philosopher.

Argue about the job title all day, but this is what it is all about.

I have a cat named King of Siam. Does the title really make him a King? Perhaps when he gets older can he be called a pioneering elder practitioner?

Gkam is neither pioneering elder practitioner, nor the King of Siam.
bluehigh
4.4 / 5 (7) Mar 06, 2016
* Returns Chivas to Captain *

> you might want a shot after this 'discussion'.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Once again, I get hammered by folk hiding from someone, who get all their "knowledge:" from Wiki. If you have not been in the Real World, do not pretend to know how it works.

Stumpy and Ira have been screaming about me "lying" for months now. They said I was not at Edwards AFB working for NASA and Test Pilot School and the Special Projects, so I had to send them the front page of the newspaper announcing I was the outstanding Airman out of the thousands on base. They said I did not do studies for NASA, called me a "LIAR", until I sent them the catalog of studies and reports with my name in it.

Shall I go on? Senior Energy Services Engineer in Technical Services for what was then the biggest non-governmental power company on Earth. Power Quality, perhaps? Did they also deny I wrote and taught the National Course for the Electric Power Research Institute, then taught it for over a decade to utility engineers across the nation?

Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
Once again, I get hammered by folk hiding from someone, who get all their "knowledge:" from Wiki. If you have not been in the Real World, do not pretend to know how it works.

Stumpy and Ira have been screaming about me "lying" for months now. They said I was not at Edwards AFB working for NASA and Test Pilot School and the Special Projects, so I had to send them the front page of the newspaper announcing I was the outstanding Airman out of the thousands on base. They said I did not do studies for NASA, called me a "LIAR", until I sent them the catalog of studies and reports with my name in it.

Shall I go on? Senior Energy Services Engineer in Technical Services for what was then the biggest non-governmental power company on Earth. Power Quality, perhaps? Did they also deny I wrote and taught the National Course for the Electric Power Research Institute, then taught it for over a decade to utility engineers across the nation?

Good morning to you too Cher.
gkam
1.4 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Show me your license, Ira. You bragged about it, and demanded mine, so where is yours?

Your game is over. I will stop it.
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
Show me your license, Ira. You bragged about it, and demanded mine, so where is yours?
Cher, I am not stupid like you. I don't care what you or any other couyon on here thinks. That is why you always lose and I always will win. You do not have the means to get me riled up or hysterical nonplussed like you are everyday. You start and end the day the same way, really stupid.

Your game is over. I will stop it.
You keep saying that, but because I ask you a couple of dozens of times what he means,,,,,, he means less and less every time you say him. (And he did not mean much the first time you say him.) But I got him memorized by now, so you can either explain what that means, or use up you letter spaces to try something better not so mockable.

Kind a like all the other silly things you keep repeating, they meant nothing the first time, and get to meaning less every time you repeat them over and a bunch more overs.
Protoplasmix
4.2 / 5 (15) Mar 06, 2016
Shall I go on?
No. Please, no.

Congrats on your "Georgie of the Month" award. Now stop resting on your [dried up long ago] laurels, and stick to the science, here, in a science forum. Or keep getting "hammered" for acting like a I-know-better-than-you doofus. You poor baby. You get all gussied up in your dress blues and come here to wrestle in the mud. Now you're unhappy about getting mud on your uniform. That shit don't fly, airman. Gimme a 341, numbnuts.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
That shit don't fly, airman. Gimme a 341, numbnuts
@Proto
you sly dog! you was an Air Farce puke! LMFAO
i knew there was something special about you!
Thanks for this post... reminds me of basic!

20 stars for the awesome and COGENT basic training reference!
Whydening Gyre
4.4 / 5 (20) Mar 06, 2016
Once again, I get hammered by folk hiding from someone, who get all their "knowledge:" from Wiki.

I've said it before - do NOT badmouth Wiki.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
Once again, I get hammered by folk hiding from someone, who get all their "knowledge:" from Wiki.

I've said it before - do NOT badmouth Wiki.
@Whyde
look... he badmouths wiki because it proves him wrong... WITH REFERENCES
that is something he can't actually do himself considering the dementia demonstrated, therefore the only thing he can do is lash out
Why? see: https://www.psych...ttle-ego

it explains it all, really
NOT a joke, either... read the link and look at his arguments...anything that challenges the great and might oz..er, i mean, beni-kam, is a challenge to his perceptions of self and reality, hence a threat
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (16) Mar 06, 2016
And now for something completely different:
a scientist with two brains

Wasn't that a Steve Martin movie...?
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
And now for something completely different:
a scientist with two brains

Wasn't that a Steve Martin movie...?
@Whyde
the Steve Martin movie was "a man with two brains" LOL

but i think the reference is to Monty Python and their "and now for something completely different" breaks... as well as the "man with two noses" skit

https://www.youtu...QMP9dZiQ

RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

My, my, you sound cocky today, Ira. But, you missed the point I made. Yes, I know he was an acknowledged expert on RADAR, it was not that I alluded to as the reason for the visiting Doctorates dismissing him as a mere "Mister".

If you weren't so eager to play your games, you would have read where I said it was because he said the MW used in radar could be used to HEAT MATERIALS. That was what I alluded to. They disbelieved him on THAT because they were "Doctorates" and he was just a "Mister". Got that now, cocky?

And thanks again for proving my other point. He was one of those pioneering SKILLED PRACTITIONERS I speak of; who "PhD experts" went to for REAL PRACTICAL knowledge/expertise to ADD to their INCOMPLETE "paper title" course/knowledge base. Got that now, cocky?

Ira, you would be dangerous if you could read/discuss fairly. And you can tell that to your Missus from me. No wonder you keep failing the "Honorary Earthling" entrance exam, Ira.

Rethink it. :)
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Whyde. :)

Mate, why keep encouraging such silly games from Ira? It only lowers your IQ and reduces the real estate value of this neighborhood if gangs like this re allowed to keep getting away with bad things under the guise of "humor". Have you no individuality of character that you ned to belong to a gang to bolster your ego and self-worth? If you keep taking cheap shots like that at people who know better than you and have been proven correct and the trolls and ignoramuses wrong, then you are no better than they are. Be a REAL artist and be your own man, Whyde. Think for yourself and don't be dragged into gangs' mindless ridicule of things/persons they don't understand/know (which is why all they have is ridicule under guise of "Humor"...that 'game' is all they have to offer).

Now go and read my above response to Ira before you step out into this again on the wrong foot. Rethink. :)
RealityCheck
2.1 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Protoplasmix. :)

Before anything else, please go read my response to Ira above. Then realize that you are disrespecting pioneering skilled practitioners who BUILT the knowledge base that later 'experts' LEARNED FROM such pioneering explorers in science and technology.

I will assume, for generosity's sake, that you are yet young and impressionable. There could be no other reason, except malice in character, for you to so readily follow the lead of such 'game playing' trolls and malicious ignoramus bigmouths.

Protoplasmix, take some friendly advice, resist the temptation to join 'gangs' and resist the temptation to take cheap shots at things and people you don't know or understand. Stick to fair science discourse and courtesy, and the rest will take care of itself, ok? Anyway, no hard feelings this end. Good luck in future, mate. :)
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (20) Mar 06, 2016
Protoplasmix, take some friendly advice, resist the temptation to join 'gangs'
GANGSTA SCIENCE, BYOTCH

http://www.secret..._q85.jpg

word!

@rc
when you post, but refuse to actually read and comprehend the comments, context and subject, it makes me think of this

http://fold.it/po...69_0.jpg

just sayin...
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Ira. :)
My, my, you sound cocky today, Ira. But, you missed the point I made. Yes, I know he was an acknowledged expert on RADAR, it was not that I alluded to as the reason for the visiting Doctorates dismissing him as a mere "Mister".


RC,
You spin the story to make it SEEM like they were willfully and disdainfully condescending because of their education background.
Disbelieving, yes, That's human nature.
If they actually came into the game with that attitude, he wouldn't even have gotten the opportunity to show and explain the "heating" effect of MW.
My bet is - they were "foaming at the mouth" EAGER to hear and see the observations of the "boots on the ground" guy...
Your POV thusly indicates indulgence of your own self - identity modus operandi.
Again - human nature.
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (23) Mar 06, 2016
Doctorates dismissing him as a mere "Mister".
You keep saying that but it is wrong. You made it up to make some imagined point.

If you weren't so eager to play your games, you would have read where I said it was because he said the MW used in radar could be used to HEAT MATERIALS.
But they did not do that. You made that up to make some kind of point.

That was what I alluded to. They disbelieved him on THAT because they were "Doctorates" and he was just a "Mister"
Ypu are making that. In other words you tell the GREAT BIG LIE. Again.

Got that now, cocky?
Yeah, I got him and everybody else does too, Really-Skippy gets caught tripling down on his made up myth making.

ADD to their INCOMPLETE "paper title" course/knowledge base.
When you add that to the rest of your made up story it probably means you are just mad because it is too late for you to get one.

RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

So your NEW YEAR is going to be as wasted as your OLD YEAR because of your ignorant and malicious half-truth and rewriting history ego troll games. Got it. Your choice. Good luck with that.

I read all the posts. Even (yuk) yours! I made a general observation about the historical importance of the pioneering skilled practitioners who built the modern formalized discipline courses and credentials system.

Your disrespect for those brave people is astounding. Your insensitive jibes about dementia are disgusting to any right thinking person here. You have no class (read your own posts and see why); no courage (you boast about 'hiding' while you stalk and harass others); no integrity (you lied about not being aware of the news about the Oregon Occupation incident).

How can anyone (except someone captive in your power who is afraid to contradict or chastise you) ever take such a demonstrably disturbed ignoramus and malignant character seriously?

Not good, CapS. :(
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
Hi CapS. :)
So your NEW YEAR is going to be as wasted as your OLD YEAR...
@RC
stopped there
lied in first sentence, therefore i can flush this post
TL;DR
flaming/baiting
false claim

if you have EVIDENCE, you post it
otherwise...you know the drill

Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (24) Mar 06, 2016
@ Whydening-Skippy How you are today Cher. Better than Really-Skippy I hope. He always is having a bad day when he comes to the physorg.

You spin the story to make it SEEM like they were willfully and disdainfully condescending because of their education background.
It ain't really Really-Skippy spinning he is doing. He is making up stuffs that never happened.

Disbelieving, yes, That's human nature.
They never disbelieved him. He found it by accident and said something like "Wow, look at this. This might come in handy for something."

If they actually came into the game with that attitude,
They didn't, that is the part Really-Skippy is just making up so he can make the story fit his "idea" of how his weird world works.

My bet is - they were "foaming at the mouth" EAGER to hear and see the observations of the "boots on the ground" guy.
There was dozens of them in the lab with him when his candy bar melted. They didn't need come hear anything.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Whyde. :)
...But, you missed the point I made. Yes, I know he was an acknowledged expert on RADAR, it was not that I alluded to as the reason for the visiting Doctorates dismissing him as a mere "Mister".


RC,
You spin the story to make it SEEM like they were willfully and disdainfully condescending because of their education background.
Disbelieving, yes, That's human nature.
If they actually came into the game with that attitude, he wouldn't even have gotten the opportunity to show and explain the "heating" effect of MW.
My bet is - they were "foaming at the mouth" EAGER to hear and see the observations of the "boots on the ground" guy...
Whyde, why try to rationalize away what is historical fact? They condescended to learn from him, sure; but all the while thinking themselves 'superior' because of their PhD titles and his lack of one. That attitude was confirmed when they considered this "Mr" to be wrong in his MW for heating claims. Rethink it, mate. :)
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
I've said it before - do NOT badmouth Wiki.

To explain -
In doing so you denigrate the contributors. who are overwhelmingly the very scientists that actually DO the science.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
There was dozens of them in the lab with him when his candy bar melted. They didn't need come hear anything. yeah IRA...
RC above is a great example as to what happens when you accept urban legend or anecdote from secondary (tertiary or further) sources over primary sources and factual proven history...

it makes you want to make a claim (like he did above) and then quote it as gospel (when it is opinion)
this is also why i stopped reading his diatribes...
mostly because of the whole fragile brittle ego thing: https://www.psych...ttle-ego

but also because you can't teach FACT to someone who truly believes their DOGMA or DELUSION!

this is most prevalent in RC's posts... anywhere on PO
once she makes up her mind about something, that is IT...(see argument with Proto as another example)
HERE is PROOF
why try to rationalize away what is historical fact?
just because she BELIEVES
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (23) Mar 06, 2016
Ira, you would be dangerous if you could read/discuss fairly. And you can tell that to your Missus from me.
Is that your biased objectionable observation? Or you just being mad because you got caught making stuffs up? I can read just fine me. I mean I could read good enough to catch you making up a story out thin air to use to pass along some Really-Skippy wisdom, eh Cher?

Rethink it. :)
Okayeei, I rethink him. You are still just mad because I caught you telling the tall tale. (And it wasn't really that good of the tall tale either between just you and me. Do Better.)
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
To explain -
In doing so you denigrate the contributors. who are overwhelmingly the very scientists that actually DO the science.
@Whyde
it is also a statement that doesn't take into consideration any of the links or references being used to justify the comment on wiki

but when you've decided what you want historical fact to be, why bother with niggling details that prove you wrong just because they can be validated???

(not you, whyde... rc)

just sayin...

LMFAO
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (20) Mar 06, 2016
Whyde, why try to rationalize away what is historical fact? They condescended to learn from him, sure; but all the while thinking themselves 'superior' because of their PhD titles and his lack of one. That attitude was confirmed when they considered this "Mr" to be wrong in his MW for heating claims. Rethink it, mate. :)

You presume to know their attitude in the event. Something I think you may have alluded to in one of your many responses, claiming others have done exactly that to you.(presumed your attitudinal bent).
You're even doing it now...
So - Re-think it.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Why keep making stuff up? The official 'sanitized' version is not the whole story; just the official version cleaned of all the prejudice and condescension evident at the time to those in the know. Stop rewriting history, Ira.

Just accept the fact that it was such SKILLED PRACTITIONER PIONEERING talents and brave sci-tech explorers of that era who created and built most of the engineering knowledge base which was eventually formalized in the credentials courses which LATER engineers could gain by doing those courses which the skilled practitioners made possible. Until you recognize what GREAT respect and debt is owed to skilled practitioners who didn't have credentials because they INVENTED/CONDUCTED the later credentials courses, then you are ignorantly and unfairly dismissing and disrespecting such people who you and I owe much more than what you ignorant trolls bring to sully their reputation and their history. Get a clue. Get respect. Rethink; and stop it. :)
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (23) Mar 06, 2016
Whyde, why try to rationalize away what is historical fact?
Last-Word-Really-Skippy thinks if his lie is the last word that will be the version everybody remembers.

They condescended to learn from him, sure; but all the while thinking themselves 'superior' because of their PhD titles and his lack of one.
That is a lie. And just between you and me, it's a really stupid one since you got caught telling eight times in the same place.

q]That attitude was confirmed when they considered this "Mr" to be wrong in his MW for heating claims. Really-Skippy that is not what happened. You are making it up. You are going to get a bad reputation if you keep right trying to sneak it in a true thing.

I just wasted a lot of my allotted letters, you had that reputation for years.

Rethink it, mate. :)
Okayeei, I rethink him again. I was wrong, you ain't told the same lie eight in one article comments, you actually told 37 times now. Some postums you repeated him a lot.
Captain Stumpy
4 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
The official version is not all the story, just the official version cleaned of all the prjudice and condescension evident at the time to those in the know. Stop rewriting history, Ira
i love it...
gets caught with a lie that can't be validated... so what does he do?
FAILSAFE TIME!
brittle ego hit! shields failing captain... defensive firing, all guns!

when all else fails, claim the other guy doesn't have all the facts!
then completely change the argument to justify your position even though it doesn't actually support what you said!
f*ck reality! i've got FAITH in what i believe.. and if i get the last word in, it MUST be more true than anyone else!

ROTFLMFAO

[dag-nabit ira... you beat me to the post!]

nite... i gotta go eat... this is TOO FUNNY though
THANKS IRA ... you are awesome
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Whyde. :)

You apply double standards now? If you have admitted the "human nature" involved, then you will also admit the long history of unfair dismissal and condescension exhibited by the 'humans' who think themselves 'superior' because of their 'title' instead of their knowledge base (which in this instance was less than that of the self-taught skilled practitioner who only was addressed as "Mister" by those PhDs who were there to LEARN from a superior in the real knowledge).

How can you acknowledge in one breath 'human nature', and deny that same 'human nature' in the same breath by denying the PhDs felt they were 'superior' despite condescending to learn from a master in the field? You have a funny 'want-it-both-ways' type of rationalizing there, Whyde. See to it asap before again claiming to know human nature and then denying it in the same breath.

Anyhow, have you at least got the original point I made re skilled practitioners creating the courses/credentials? :)
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
Why keep making stuff up?
That's what I am asking you.

The official 'sanitized' version is not the whole story; just the official version cleaned of all the prejudice and condescension evident at the time to those in the know.
You did not even know the guys name. I had to tell you that. You did not even know what he got his "Honorable PhD" for. No, not physics, he got it for making Raython a ton of money and making something that was in everybody house.

Stop rewriting history
I didn't write the book. And you never read the book.

Get a clue
Don't need a clue. I got the book, and I have Google-Skippy to double check with.You really Really-Skippy need to learn about the Google-Skippy. Choot, he even has your Earthling Club House on him

Get respect
For what, the Earthling Club House?

Rethink; and stop it
Okayeei, I rethink him again. That Earthling Club House is some really weird stuffs. http://earthlingclub.com/
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
CapS, Ira, you're in rewriting history mode again, putting words and claims into the mouths of those who have made a point which you cannot properly face in fair debate.

Eeveryone, condsider what Ira and CapS and Whyde have tacitly admitted during this exchange:

He was a self-taught skilled practitioner to whom the 'credentialed' experts went to to learn the rest of what they didn't know. Period.

He and others like him are deserving of respect; not abuse from trolls bringing personal prejudice, lies, malice to the discussion about such heros. All the trolling, rewriting, accusing and evasive double standards 'games' are immaterial and irrelevant to that central point.

The point is made and confirmed by the very same trolls who tried to deny it was so. Period.

Now, how about less unfair personal character assassination and disrespect of pioneering skilled practitioners who made many of today's wonders possible; and more on-topic discussion of the article topic. Thanks. :)
Uncle Ira
4.3 / 5 (23) Mar 06, 2016
Now, how about less unfair personal character assassination and disrespect of pioneering skilled practitioners who made many of today's wonders possible; and more on-topic discussion of the article topic. Thanks. :)


I want somebody to read this stuffs from "the pioneering skilled practitioners who made many of today's wonders possible" and explain to me what he is talking about.

http://earthlingclub.com/

And I don't mind admitting, I just don't have what it takes to understand it. Maybe somebody could at least write me a short book report review so I know what it is about before I spend my money on the book.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (18) Mar 06, 2016
Ira, that is an inactive/relict site. The ToE has fleshed out even more since that was written (as an in-house publication summarizing the earlier essentials mainly for the benefit of the Earthling club members and family/friends).

The new book, and reformed site will hopefully come this year (if I can get all the Reality-based Maths for it worked out in time....it's a big job in its own right).

Anyhow, since you are not able to understand most of the aspects and issues involved except on a superficial level, then maybe it's time you just sat back, stayed silent and waited for the full and complete ToE and accompanying maths, hey? Give your mouth a rest, your brain a break and your 'games' a recess.

Stick to fair discussion of on-topic matters if you can; if not, then just listen/learn from the discussion instead of bot-rating and interrupting with your OLD YEAR nonsense/malice, ok?

You were doing good for a while, but you blew it all; reverted to type. Not good.
Enthusiastic Fool
4.5 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Here I was hoping this would be a spirited conversation about extragalactic radio sources...
To save anyone else time that may start from the bottom here:
1. Benni said something uncharacteristically intelligent
2. Phys1 being suspicious found where Benni plagiarized from and called him out
3. Ira validated Phys1 by showing previous instances of the same
4. Mike lost his sh*t b/c he has to witness Ira expose someone in the way he was previously
5. Stumpy called Mike out on how out of place/OT his whole personal rant on Ira was
6. Mike continued to be bonkers asserting he's shown lies while posting no links
7. Gkam, the often called out fraudgineer, mistakenly thought he could find an ally in Mike
8. Gkam attempts to manipulate Stump into taking some high road that is actually lying by omission
9. Stump repeatedly makes Gkam and MM look foolish by posting not only links but remaining pretty reasonable.

Thanks Ira and Stump for your services.
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (20) Mar 06, 2016
Anyhow, have you at least got the original point I made re skilled practitioners creating the courses/credentials? :)

Yup. So that others could become "skilled practitioners" and get degrees signifying they were skilled practitioners, too.
He was not Self-taught, BTW. He had to have taken a number of courses of his own...
Even in this thread alone, you indicate a "superior" attitude because of your own "self-taught"-ness.
(How it's so much more honest and truthful and therefore - correct)
Which brings us back to - you guessed it -
human nature...

RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Enthusiastic Fool. :)

Since when was it plagiarism to restate some known scientific fact in the public domain? The limited text nature of this site makes it necessary to leave out details. Especially details which have no bearing on the validity of what was restated for the purposes of on-topic discussion.

So the rest of the faux outrage and diversionasy echanges concentrating on the person instead of the facts presented, makes your summary immaterial and diversionary addition to the already personal prejudices which keep derailing threads from the essential relevant science aspects being otherwise discussed fairly.

And did you read my point about skilled practitioners being the ones who created the credentials courses and knowledge base for same? If so, then lay off gkam; he is of that era of skilled practitioners. Ok?

Please don't add any more to the already overwhelming 'noise' which clutters up and detracts from the on-topic discourse narrative. Thanks, mate. :)
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Eeveryone, condsider what Ira and CapS and Whyde have tacitly admitted during this exchange:
He was a self-taught skilled practitioner to whom the 'credentialed' experts went to to learn the rest of what they didn't know. Period.

Well, yeah. Neither Ira or I denied that fact.
It was your stated "attitude" of their "superior disdain" that we disagree with.

You like fictional allegoric because, well, humans love a good story - especially when they can wrap their own self identity into it.
It's their nature...:-)
BTW - did Benni ever provide solutions to my equations?
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 06, 2016
Anyhow, have you at least got the original point I made re skilled practitioners creating the courses/credentials? :)

Yup. So that others could become "skilled practitioners" and get degrees signifying they were skilled practitioners, too.
He was not Self-taught, BTW. He had to have taken a number of courses of his own...
Even in this thread alone, you indicate a "superior" attitude because of your own "self-taught"-ness.
(How it's so much more honest and truthful and therefore - correct)
...
I've not said any such thing about me in this discussion. Please keep your misconceptions out of it, Whyde.

The era of skilled practitioners was mostly of self-taught talents of great courage/intellect. They created much of the practical knowledge base later formalized into Engineering Credentials courses (not 'skilled practitioner' courses). Most skilled practitioner PIONEERS were often not 'credentialed' AS 'engineers' because they CREATED the credentials courses. :)
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 06, 2016
Everyone, condsider what Ira and CapS and Whyde have tacitly admitted during this exchange:
He was a self-taught skilled practitioner to whom the 'credentialed' experts went to to learn the rest of what they didn't know. Period.

Well, yeah. Neither Ira or I denied that fact...

BTW - did Benni ever provide solutions to my equations?

By your disrespect of a known and proven such skilled practitioner pioneer you effectively denied it was so. You can't keep having it both ways, mate. If you acknowledge the debt, status and respect owed to such as gkam and others of his era, then you cannot in the same breath continue to abide the disrespect, malicious character assassination being conducted on him by the 'gang' responsible.

And, again, I never mentioned me; it's not about me; it's about my original general observation re the disrespect being shown to pioneering skilled practitioners by some here, and why it's WRONG.

Ask Benni; I have no 'skin' in that. :)
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
In reviewing the thread (thanks to EF's listing), I came across this in a comment by Ira;
So don't come around begging me to non, cause I'll cut you if stand still and choot you if run. Now ...

Just for those who may attempt to quote that as a threat (and look really silly when they do) -
It was METAPHOR.
And also some lyrics from a Steppenwolf (The Pusher) and maybe a Credence Clearwater song...
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (16) Mar 06, 2016
In reviewing the thread (thanks to EF's listing), I came across this in a comment by Ira;
So don't come around begging me to non, cause I'll cut you if stand still and choot you if run. Now ...

Just for those who may attempt to quote that as a threat (and look really silly when they do) -
It was METAPHOR.
And also some lyrics from a Steppenwolf (The Pusher) and maybe a Credence Clearwater song

It doesn't matter where it came from or why Ira uses such metaphors in a SCIENCE site/discussion. It may be useful for his games, but adds nothing to the on-topic discourse which would otherwise be going without derailment by personal prejudicial and lame games and inane posts from those whose interest is their own self-ego-pandering 'noises' rather than on-topic discourse by others interested in SCIENCE not trolls' nonsense/malice.

So,how about everyone settling down and reminding yourselves where you are....in a SCIENCE comment and discussion site/forum. Thanks. :)
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
Everyone, condsider what Ira and CapS and Whyde have tacitly admitted... He was a self-taught skilled practitioner to whom the 'credentialed' experts went to to learn the rest of what they didn't know. Period.

Well, yeah. Neither Ira or I denied that fact...

By your disrespect of a known and proven such skilled practitioner pioneer you effectively denied it was so.

How are we dis-respecting him?!? By not agreeing with your tale of disdainful PHD's?!?!?
And, again, I never mentioned me; it's not about me;

Your whole line of argument SCREAMS - " Me, me, me! That's what they did and are doing to ME!!!".
I used to be a skilled, practicing professional in network analysis, design, implementation - with no degree, long hair and blue jeans. No one was ever disdainful. Matter of fact, The amount they paid me to do it was downright - comlimentary...
Uncle Ira
4.4 / 5 (21) Mar 06, 2016
In reviewing the thread (thanks to EF's listing), I came across this in a comment by Ira;
So don't come around begging me to non, cause I'll cut you if stand still and choot you if run. Now ...

Just for those who may attempt to quote that as a threat (and look really silly when they do) -
It was METAPHOR.
And also some lyrics from a Steppenwolf (The Pusher) and maybe a Credence Clearwater song...


I don't know if he was in their songs, but it is a common saying down here. It is in a few peoples songs too. The ones that come to mind are Mac Rebennack AKA Dr. John and Roy Byrd AKA Professor Longhair.

The Wild Tchoupitoulas' Big Chief Jolly Landry's Wildman used to have it embroidered on his shield, I think it is still on the WT's Wildman's shield or maybe on his headdress.
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (18) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Whyde.

My original general observation was about the era and generation of skilled practitioner pioneers who created the knowledge base and courses which later 'credentialed' engineers' passed in order to get credentialed. The point was, those early skilled practitioners who eventually formalized that knowledge base were NOT 'credentialed' because they did not go through such a course; but were responsible for creating such courses and knew more than the new engineers they taught. That was it. All the rest is your own 'construction' based on your own impressions and prejudices. That you do not see it as wrong for a 'gang' to disrespect one such skilled pioneering practitioner, even though uncredentialed, but nevertheless created the knowledge/courses which created 'credentialed engineers', is somewhat disturbing; since you claim to be one such skilled practitioner who could teach 'credentialed experts' in that. And the "Mr" to "Doctor" case was only one example of that. :)
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (16) Mar 06, 2016
If everyone has had enough of the off-topic games and chatter, how about now concentrating on the on-topic discussion of the science news/issues raised in the article? Any on-topic comments on this astronomical observation? I would be interested to read them. Thanks. :)
Protoplasmix
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 06, 2016
RealityCheck, you speak highly of the days when we had a one-room schoolhouse and the practitioners exorcised instead of practiced, letting almost all a person's blood out to cure what ailed them. Respect your elders, sure; but face forward to be ready for what comes, and it comes ever more swiftly the longer you've been here; face the future and stop looking back. Or keep eating dust.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Protoplasmix. :)
RealityCheck, you speak highly of the days when we had a one-room schoolhouse and the practitioners exorcised instead of practiced, letting almost all a person's blood out to cure what ailed them. Respect your elders, sure; but face forward to be ready for what comes, and it comes ever more swiftly the longer you've been here; face the future and stop looking back. Or keep eating dust.
That's playing dirty, mate; bringing in more 'noise' in the form of religious crap. Not good for the reputation of one who claims to be scientific and objective.

The observation I made was in the area of physics and Technology during the era in which gkam and others operated as skilled practitioners who were talented reseachers and though uncredentialed they taught the engineers who got their credentials by being TAUGHT BY those same practitioners who knew more than those they taught in courses designed and created BY those practitioners. Get it now? Good. :)
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 06, 2016
PS: Protoplasmix/everyone. Are there any further (on-topic) comments re above article's science news items? If so I'd love to read them. Thanks. :)
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (11) Mar 06, 2016
Are there any further (on-topic) comments re above article's science news items? If so I'd love to read them. Thanks. :)
For the source of FRB121102, I think the "young, highly magnatized, extragalactic neutron star" seems fairly likely. See the paper: http://arxiv.org/...03.00581

From the above article,
That paper suggested FRBs are related to cataclysmic events, such as short gamma-ray bursts, which can not generate repeat events.
Something cataclysmic is obviously a one-time event. But there are soft gamma repeaters (SGRs). The source for these are likely also neutron stars (magnetars). SGR1900+14 was so powerful it affected our planet's atmosphere from a distance of 20,000 light years...
Protoplasmix
5 / 5 (10) Mar 06, 2016
> magnetized
Whydening Gyre
4.4 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Hi Whyde.

My original general observation was about the era and generation of skilled practitioner pioneers who created the knowledge base and courses which later 'credentialed' engineers' passed in order to get credentialed. The point was, those early skilled practitioners who eventually formalized that knowledge base were NOT 'credentialed' because they did not go through such a course; but were responsible for creating such courses and knew more than the new engineers they taught. That was it.

That's not how you presented it.
And.. Don't see exactly WHERE you are interpreting disrespect.
Unless you are referring to your own experience. Which, BTW, is not covered in history books, yet.
TehDog
5 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
So I looked at http://earthlingclub.com/
My brain hurts, and I only got to <3>
"...classical Spatial arena manifesting as a rigid and passive 3-D points-line energy matrix from which looped-quanta of Direction randomly Realise into a flexible relative-context Reality dynamics"
Damn, I read it again....
Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
Since when was it plagiarism to restate some known scientific fact in the public domain?
Plagiarism is:
an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author
http://dictionary...agiarism

keywords there are the end: NOT CREDITING original author/source
The limited text nature of this site makes it necessary to leave out details
then she should have put up a blurb and link OR just the link
then lay off gkam
so long as he lies, like you... he is fair game, like you

PS: how come we never saw you at any major International Climate Change Conference this year like you said you would? here:
The Reality-cavalry is coming to the rescue
posted Jan 05, 2015

http://phys.org/n...fic.html

TehDog
4.8 / 5 (22) Mar 06, 2016
Oops, forgot to thank ira for the link.
Could've warned us what was there though :(
(Dammit, just looked again, it's so incomprehensible it's compelling, like something by Escher :)
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (19) Mar 06, 2016
So I looked at http://earthlingclub.com/
My brain hurts, and I only got to <3>
"...classical Spatial arena manifesting as a rigid and passive 3-D points-line energy matrix from which looped-quanta of Direction randomly Realise into a flexible relative-context Reality dynamics"
Damn, I read it again....
Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some.
@TehDog
Just think... that is the foundation of his ToE !!

willing to bet $1,000.00 US right now that it never sees peer review or validation
any takers?
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
dnrussellms says -
I think, some kind of such electromagnetic burst is what LIGO really detected on 2/11/16.
My article, "Gravity Waves Re-Define Spacetime", published on 2/20/2016 explains why researchers at Laser Interferometry Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) may be wrong in reporting detection and confirmation of speed of a gravity wave. You are invited to read my article at http://cosmology....es1.html . So, I conclude that a new model of cosmology is in order and I have opened.........
---Daniel Russell, physicist
- dnrussellms
I read your thesis and I only partially agree with it. BTW, your Conclusion is a bit of a frightening scenario which would threaten the very existence of life on Earth if it comes to pass. I will try to contact you via your website to explain my point of view on the matter
obama_socks
2 / 5 (7) Mar 07, 2016
Phys 1......when do you expect to pass that 1st semester physics course so you can advance your sign-on to Phys 2?
- Benni
Phys1 will never make it to Phys2. It is just another sock puppet of Theghostofotto1923. You should have guessed that by now when you saw the list-making.
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 07, 2016
Hi Whyde. :)

You have it wrong. Read my first post:
@ScienceFair. You're not helping anyone by adding your own personal prejudice and malice aforethought. And your ignorant comments disrespect those pioneering elder practitioners who developed the practical science and engineering skills and knowledge base from which the modern engineering disciplines in environmental, nuclear, communications, power and air transportation were built. I some time ago pointed out to all that, before many engineering categories and fields became formalized and credentialed as such, it was the pioneering elders who went from project to project, instructing, advising and teaching the newly minted students of engineering the practical bits which their theoretical studies did not equip them with. These elder pioneering PRACTITIONERS didn't have many FORMAL credentials from some course or other, because THEY were the ones who CREATED the courses which later engineers were credentialed by. ...
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Hi TehDog. :)

It's more in disappointment than anger that I call out your cheap shot based on double standards.

How many times have you, and others here professing to be science defenders, chastised your opponents for 'selective quotations' and misleading innuendoes from same?

Now you play the same game which you are outraged by when your opponents play it. Not very fair, is it?

Anyhow, because my ToE is novel and requires new terminology (just as Einsteinian Relativity, Quantum Theory and String Theory required also) does not make it wrong. You have to know the fuller context and explanations.

The book will be complete with glossary of terms, appendices making parallels with conventional terminology/maths, and provide full context from go to whoa.

Just imagine how similarly limited, out of context, 'selective quotes' of Relativity/Quantum/String/Many-Universes/Holographic theories would have sounded to one unfamiliar with the whole contexts involved. Do better. :)
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

You're out of your scientific and logical depth; and your personal uninformed prejudicial opinions are immaterial. Let it go, mate. :)

obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 07, 2016
Here is a question for Captain Stumpy:
Hey Stump Rump...what is the name of your website?
obama_socks
1.8 / 5 (5) Mar 07, 2016
Once again, I get hammered by folk hiding from someone, who get all their "knowledge:" from Wiki.

I've said it before - do NOT badmouth Wiki.
- WhydG
Wikipedia isn't always 100% accurate. You should be aware of that. It is the reason why in many instances, there is a tiny notation above or to the side of a sentence saying "CITATION NEEDED".
I have caught many errors made and posted by Otto that came from something he copied in Wiki and then, after posting it, didn't even understand his error...simply because he didn't really know the difference.
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
Protoplasmix, take some friendly advice, resist the temptation to join 'gangs'
GANGSTA SCIENCE, BYOTCH

http://www.secret..._q85.jpg

just sayin...
- Stump Rump
hmmmm wot's this? Word? Just sayin'? Old Stump Rump doing a poor imitation of 210?
BTW, where IS 210 lately?
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
You're out of your scientific and logical depth
@rc
so, does that mean you are NOT going to save us all, like you claimed?
i never DID see you at ANY of the conferences.... must have been an oversight that they missed your paper, right? LMFAO
Let it go
F*ck that... you made a promise, i want you to keep it
Still waiting, cavalry sam-, the rootin' tootin' mouthiest dingbat in Oz

LMFAO

.

what is the name of your website?
@obutthead
http://science.sc...weep.pdf

you can e-mail me at: phukYhew2@DILLIGAF.com
poor imitation of 210?
you idiot, that image is spoofing RUN-DMC...

ROTFLMFAO
your google broke?
LOL
TehDog
5 / 5 (18) Mar 07, 2016
RC said
"How many times have you, and others here professing to be science defenders, chastised your opponents for 'selective quotations' and misleading innuendoes from same?"

I don't know, why don't you tell me. (Numbers, and any links to my posts that support that assertion)

"Now you play the same game which you are outraged by when your opponents play it. Not very fair, is it?"

I play no game here, I have no opponents. FWIW, I do not vote here, except for wit or insight.

[cntd]
TehDog
5 / 5 (19) Mar 07, 2016
"Anyhow, because my ToE is novel and requires new terminology (just as Einsteinian Relativity, Quantum Theory and String Theory required also) does not make it wrong. You have to know the fuller context and explanations."

Those three require numbers, yours apparently does not...

"Just imagine how similarly limited, out of context, 'selective quotes' of Relativity/Quantum/String/Many-Universes/Holographic theories would have sounded to one unfamiliar with the whole contexts involved. Do better. :)"

Oh do please stop.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Hi CapS. Take it easy, mate; watch your blood pressure. :)

CapS, I'm working on many fronts: Reality-physics-based ToE; Reality-axioms based Mathematics; Environmental solutions via technological/chemical/generating/conversion 'closed loop' approaches; and a-Biogenesis explanation. Then I have also been politically active here in Australia to try and get this conservative LNP govt exposed/ousted asap. Going well! How much time do you think I have to waste on what you demand I do/when? Besides, since last conference reaffirmed global climate change is real and needs addressing more urgently, there was no need to make my presentation; which in any case I would have been too late because of other life/health matters delaying my schedules on all my projects. You already know I am not lying about my projects, since you have read the brief synopsis of my novel ToE to be expanded to complete explanations in the book to follow. On what are YOU expending YOUR time/intellect? Busy? :)
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
To: obama_socks:
Thank you for reading and considering my article at http://www.cosmology.com under the topic of Gravity waves and black holes.
- dnrussellms
You're welcome. I will try to contact you via your website by email. Keep up the good work.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
You're out of your scientific and logical depth
@rc
so, does that mean you are NOT going to save us all, like you claimed?
i never DID see you at ANY of the conferences.... must have been an oversight that they missed your paper, right? LMFAO
Let it go
F*ck that... you made a promise, i want you to keep it
Still waiting, cavalry sam-, the rootin' tootin' mouthiest dingbat in Oz

LMFAO

.

what is the name of your website?
@obutthead
http://science.sc...weep.pdf

you can e-mail me at: phukYhew2@DILLIGAF.com
poor imitation of 210?
you idiot, that image is spoofing RUN-DMC...

ROTFLMFAO
your google broke?
LOL
- Stump Rump
Try again. I asked you for the name of your website.
Nope. 210 was a real commenter. He had some very good ideas.
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Hi TehDog. :)

You convince yourself of whatever 'reality' it is that soothes your ego most, mate. The record demonstrates the comparative case. The case of others behaving in that double standard way is not denied, I noticed. Anyhow, you just effectively became one of those others, having nothing but cheap shots to make against someone working on substantive science which you ridicule even though you haven't full information. Keep at it, mate; you'll be kicking yourself for your behavior soon enough. I can wait. I am patient and thorough scientist. You are...what? A cheap shot troll on the Internet. Not a good look for one claiming to be objective or relevant to science discourse. Do better. :)
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
RC said
"How many times have you, and others here professing to be science defenders, chastised your opponents for 'selective quotations' and misleading innuendoes from same?"

I don't know, why don't you tell me. (Numbers, and any links to my posts that support that assertion)

"Now you play the same game which you are outraged by when your opponents play it. Not very fair, is it?"

I play no game here, I have no opponents. FWIW, I do not vote here, except for wit or insight.

[cntd]
- teh dog
RC was addressing his comment to WhydG. Are you placing yourself in the same category as those RC referred to?
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (20) Mar 07, 2016
Oh do please stop.


@ Dog-Skippy. How you are Podna? I am good and enjoying live to the fullest me.

How much money do you think we could make on the Pay-To-View if we could get a three way science debate between Zephir-Skippy, Really-Skippy and Pinheadrod-Skippy (or maybe DavidW-Skippy)? Moderated by Mike-Skippy,,,,,

You tell me peoples would not pay BIG MONEY to see that, eh?
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Hi obama_socks. :)
RC said
"How many times have you, and others here professing to be science defenders, chastised your opponents for 'selective quotations' and misleading innuendoes from same?"

I don't know, why don't you tell me. (Numbers, and any links to my posts that support that assertion)

"Now you play the same game which you are outraged by when your opponents play it. Not very fair, is it?"

I play no game here, I have no opponents. FWIW, I do not vote here, except for wit or insight.

[cntd]
- teh dog
RC was addressing his comment to WhydG. Are you placing yourself in the same category as those RC referred to?
No mate, I addressed those particular comments to TehDog. You may be thinking of my earlier post to Whyde just above that post to TehDog, on another matter. Just correcting the record because I want no misunderstandings based exchanges based on that. Cheers. :)
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (7) Mar 07, 2016
@Stump Rump
You sound more and more like Otto. Steam coming out of your ears, eh? Since when does anyone owe YOU an explanation or proof of anything? Have you become the gateman of this website now? Have you considered seeing an exorcist to get rid of TheghostofOttoSkorzeny's influence? Unless, of course, you ARE Otto...which is mostly likely since Otto is a good actor who plays many parts.
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (18) Mar 07, 2016
@dmrussell
All 1000 authors of the LIGO project have assumed in their mathematical models that gravitational wave speed is equal to the speed of light. But, there is no proof that this is so. The fact that LIGO clocked that alleged gravity wave at the speed of light should be a clue that it was actually some type of electromagnetic burst.

Except for 1 fact I think you might be missing.
The mirrors were set up to measure physical motion variations... (Per yer page)
Cosmic EM bursts don't cause physical motion, that I am aware of.
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
No mate, I addressed those particular comments to TehDog. You may be thinking of my earlier post to Whyde just above that post to TehDog, on another matter. Just correcting the record because I want no misunderstandings based exchanges based on that. Cheers. :)
- Reality Check
Yes, you're right. My bad. I clicked the wrong comment. Apology to teh dog.
:(
Whydening Gyre
4.5 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
... which is mostly likely since Otto is a good actor who plays many parts.

Nice of you to acknowledge something good in an antagonist...:-)

RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Hi obama_socks.:)
No mate, I addressed those particular comments to TehDog. You may be thinking of my earlier post to Whyde just above that post to TehDog, on another matter. Just correcting the record because I want no misunderstandings based exchanges based on that. Cheers. :)
- Reality Check
Yes, you're right. My bad. I clicked the wrong comment. Apology to teh dog.
:(
No sweat, mate. We all make such mistakes. As long as the record is corrected in a timely fashion, then no harm done. Thanks for clarifying your easily made click-error and your timely unqualified apology to TehDog, mate. The right stuff. Cheers. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
Try again. I asked you for the name of your website
@obutthead
so, you cant figure out that i sent you to Science Magazine (AAAS)?
why is it so important to you? do you think owning a web-site is the height of success in the world?
you do know that anyone can own/run/etc a website, right? even an idiot like you
(PS-if you are fishing for my name/e-mail... I AM NOT ANONYMOUS, you idiot)
Nope. 210 was a real commenter. He had some very good ideas
and had NOTHING to do with that pic
OR my comments
or didn't you get that from my reply?
reading & comprehension aren't high on your list of things to know, eh?
Steam coming out of your ears
Nope. but i AM laughing at you (and rc, liar-kam, etc)

Oops, you are back to calling me otto,,, guess your former e-mails and links posted weren't enough to jog your mind about the past: even though i proved you a liar with your own posts and words
LMFAO

nice to see you are still delusional
obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
... which is mostly likely since Otto is a good actor who plays many parts.

Nice of you to acknowledge something good in an antagonist...:-)

- WhydG
LOL Otto is a good actor in the sock puppet personalities he slips in and out of. I'm sure that Otto still believes in Reich (third) and Empire (Nazi). In Otto's shrine to Otto Skorzeny in the form of the profile, Theghostofotto1932, he lives in the "anus of the universe". Still trying to figure that one out.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) Mar 07, 2016
@rc
TL;DR... but i noticed the last line

i'll tell you what i do:
我工作的一項研究不合理な人間が妄想の信念にしがみつく理由を判断します증거가 모든 사람에게 증명하는 경우에도 믿음은 거짓이다
obama_socks
2.7 / 5 (7) Mar 07, 2016
@Stump Rump
I didn't click on your second link. Only the first and got the message that your webpage don't exist. So YOU ARE A LIAR. AND, in Ira's own vernacular....you are a Couyon.
I may have spoken to you a few times back in 2013, but no way would I send you any emails OR PMs. You are lying about that also. You DO need an exorcist...badly. I suggested you find a good Rastafarian to throw you into some hot coals to burn the devil out of you. It would be nice to watch. hehehehehehehhhh
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (15) Mar 07, 2016
I didn't click on your second link. Only the first and got the message that your webpage don't exist
@obutthead
wait-a-minute... you said you were an engineer, right?
so, you're supposed to be at least semi-computer literate, right?
consider yourself smart, then?
try this for a moment... rest the mouse cursor over the links one more time... don't click them, just rest them... then READ THE F*CKING WORDS
ROTFLMFAO

if you don't get it by now, i feel for you
like i said "reading and comprehension" aint high on your list fo things to have, is they?
LMFAO
So YOU ARE A LIAR
and you are stupid, and i just proved THAT one! LMFAO
but no way would I send you any emails OR PMs
you do know ScienceX forwarded all that, right? when they took over and got rid of the PM function.. right? LMFAO
so now you gonna pull a Benni and ask how to contact the site with no PM function too?
LMFAO

at least it aint hard proving you're a liar and idiot!
LOOK ABOVE
LMFAO
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 07, 2016
@Stump Rump
Oh, BTW, the link you offered in another thread where you said that you were going to interview some broad named Thaller...the YouTube video shows a chubby guy behind a desk...name is FRASER CAIN. Are YOU Fraser Cain?
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 07, 2016
I checked with ScienceX already. They have NO RECORD of me sending you any PMs. As I have never given out my email address on the web except for banking, there is no way in hell that you would have MY email address. You're a damn Couyon, Rump. You are also the FATHER OF LIES. Get with your exorcist, post haste before it's too late.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (15) Mar 07, 2016
Oh, BTW, the link you offered in another thread where you said that you were going to interview some broad named Thaller...the YouTube video shows a chubby guy behind a desk...name is FRASER CAIN. Are YOU Fraser Cain?
@obutthead
so... you can't even watch TV without screwing that up either?
really?

you are seriously dropping in IQ points here, butt-squeegee!
try watching that whole video and read the names etc on the guests... while you are at it, listen to the INPUT from the various people, especially as they answer a question from me

and no, you idiot, i am NOT FRASER...
but you won't believe that
( DILLIGAF ? NOPE - ROTFLMFAO)

i figured that video would be helpful for you... considering it didn't actually require reading OR high levels of comprehension... but i guess since it wasn't a cartoon or pseudoscience, you weren't interested

LMFAO

thanks for re-validating how smart you really are!
obama_socks
2 / 5 (8) Mar 07, 2016
I HATE liars like Stump, Ira, Otto, and Otto's legion of sock puppets. All of Otto's puppets are created for the purpose of entrapping unwary Phys.org commenters.
It's all fun and games for the demonic possessed Otto/Stumpy/Ira et al.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (17) Mar 07, 2016
I checked with ScienceX already. They have NO RECORD of me sending you any PMs
ROTFLMFAO
then you are a liar!
and you just got caught AGAIN!
(PS, re read what i wrote... take a little time for the squirrel to catch up and then try again
BOY... you can't read or comprehend OR watch TV or YouTube... but you claim to be an engineer?ROTFLMFAO)
As I have never given out my email
never said i had that... you used the PM function when PO still had PM's here, moron!

again, try reading for comprehension!
LMFAO

man, you are making my stomach hurt from laughing at you!

obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 07, 2016
It appears that Stump Rump misrepresented himself in the other thread by saying that he was going to interview Thaller in 35 minutes. He didn't say that he was someone else, thus giving the impression that he is Fraser Cain. I call that deception and a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation.
And with that...I think it is time to end my attempts to reform the Stump and to help him to be rid of his devil(s). Or maybe it just can't be done...isn't that right, Otto?
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (18) Mar 07, 2016
I think I get it now...
You guys are all secret members of some secret society -
communicating secret messages in code, just made up to sound like you don't like each other...

(Smacking my forehead)
Why didn't I see this all before!
obama_socks
2.5 / 5 (8) Mar 07, 2016
It is quite apparent that Stump/Otto/Ira is suffering from the Dunning-Kruger Effect which is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. This describes Stumpy perfectly, among other mental disorders which I won't go into right now. Oneupmanship is his game...and anyone who violates his game is automatically given a verbal thrashing.
LOL heeheeheeheehee. I love it.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (15) Mar 07, 2016
misrepresented himself in the other thread by saying that he was going to interview Thaller in 35 minutes
by all means, obutthead, show the quote AND the link and where i misrepresented ANYTHING... LMFAO
you do know that your argument is based upon your failure to comprehend what i wrote, right?
I call that deception and a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation.
and i call you a complete illiterate lying troll who can't prove that!

LMFAO

by all means, post away!
PROVE your point!
THANKS!

LMFAO
obama_socks
2.1 / 5 (7) Mar 07, 2016
I think I get it now...
You guys are all secret members of some secret society -
communicating secret messages in code, just made up to sound like you don't like each other...

(Smacking my forehead)
Why didn't I see this all before!
- WhydG
LOL you have danced with the devil already by your willingness to take part in its fun time.
Like I said already. I have NEVER sent any PMs to Stump Rump. He is obviously looking to get his claws into me. But I don't play the devil's game.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 07, 2016
obuttheads epic fail
It appears that Stump Rump misrepresented himself in the other thread by saying that he was going to interview Thaller...He didn't say that he was someone else, thus giving the impression that he is Fraser Cain. I call that deception and a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation
lets see what i said
getting ready to talk to Dr. Michelle Thaller in a live broadcast for WSH... for those interested: https://www.youtu...youtu.be
http://phys.org/n...tor.html

so... not only did i NEVER say i was interviewing her, but ... if you see above AND watch the video, you will see that i DID talk to her and she answered me live (i posted into the CHAT function of the live cast -like talking here!)
BTW- i'm a member of WSH

Man... you are stupid, proven to LIE, illiterate, can't even watch TV or YouTube...
what good are you really?
LMFAO

epic fail for you!
obama_socks
1.7 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
LMAO this is fun
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 07, 2016
I have NEVER sent any PMs to Stump
@obutthead
you also said i claimed to have interviewed Thaller... plus that i've never talked to you before, etc...

all that was proven false above and in the PO threads here
why should anyone believe anything you say when i've managed to prove you're a chronic lying religious fanatic in several threads now?

and BTW- i used your own words and posts to do that... not just me making assumptions and posting my opinion

YOU are the one validating my claims about you... not me
YOU
YOU proved i was right and that you are a delusional chronic liar

you think on that a few, butt-squeegee

Oh... i have to leave you to your TROLLING bullsh*t posts because i am laughing too hard to comment much more to you

obama_socks
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 07, 2016
"epic fail for you!"
LMAO HEEHEEHEEHEEEHEEHEEEHEH
The Rump doesn't understand that when you interview, you talk.

LMAO
snort
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 07, 2016
Hi CapS.
TL;DR... but i noticed the last line

i'll tell you what i do:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

A 1000 character limited post was TL for you to read? Not credible, mate. Just as credible as your claim you never heard about that Oregon Occupation. By the way, how's Sapo's doing? No-one even mentioned Oregon incident over there?

And why so coy about what you're doing with your time/intellect? I don't allow my system to view google/google translate. Say again, in English, please.
Captain Stumpy
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 08, 2016
@rc
By the way, how's Sapo's doing?
ask him yourself
No-one even mentioned Oregon incident over there?
check it out for yourself...you can google, right?
And why so coy about what you're doing with your time/intellect?
why so coy about your ToE what has no math or science in it?
I don't allow my system to view google/google translate
not my problem, is it?
Say again, in English, please
沒有。你必須學會的研究
that You-tube link ...I'd like to view it.
SURE
ALWAYS glad to share knowledge and science!

https://www.youtu...youtu.be

its 1hr 06min but you can't see the chat... they're trying to link the chat dump after the show to the members of WSH. but that's not done yet
for more Fraser vid's, https://www.youtu...9I4oM7eQ

i help support the Guide to Space video's so i am always willing to share them!
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 08, 2016
For RealityCheck AND anyone else who cares to watch:
Here is the VID with Dr. Thaller and some other actual scientists on our weekly live broadcast
https://www.youtu...youtu.be

for more Guide to Space video's, you can watch here:
https://www.youtu...9I4oM7eQ

I am a proud sponsor of the Guide to Space just like i'm a proud professional member of AAAS and Science Magazine... feel free to discuss ANY topics found at those links and sites with me as i love science

.

.

obutthead_sucks
"epic fail for you!"
LMAO HEEHEEHEEHEEEHEEHEEEHEH
illiterate buttsqueegee doesn't understand that when you talk it doesn't necessarily mean you interview

LMAO
snort

[i fixed that for you!]
LMFAO
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (16) Mar 08, 2016
I think I get it now...
You guys are all secret members of some secret society -
communicating secret messages in code, just made up to sound like you don't like each other...

(Smacking my forehead)
Why didn't I see this all before!
- WhydG
LOL you have danced with the devil already ...

Yes, I have. And she's not as ugly as they make her out to be on TV...
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (15) Mar 08, 2016
CapS.
@rc
By the way, how's Sapo's doing?
ask him yourself
No-one even mentioned Oregon incident over there?
check it out for yourself...you can google, right?
And why so coy about what you're doing with your time/intellect?
why so coy about your ToE what has no math or science in it?
I don't allow my system to view google/google translate
not my problem, is it?
Say again, in English, please
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

I am not 'coy' about my ToE. You've seen the synopsis papers. Don't play childish games. Speaking of childish, do you listen to yourself? I just said I don't allow my system to access google/google translate. Why not just post what you have to say in English instead of playing childish games like that? :)
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (15) Mar 08, 2016
CapS.
i'm a proud professional member of AAAS and Science Magazine...
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "professional" member of AAAS? Ta. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 08, 2016
@rc
I am not 'coy' about my ToE
considering your lack of peer reviewed journal publications & failure to comprehend what plagiarism actually means... yes, you are
Don't play childish games
i'm not! THTHPTHTHT!
Speaking of childish, do you listen to yourself?
DILLIGAF?
I just said I don't allow my system to access google/google translate
still not my problem. there are other translators out there
Why not just post what you have to say in English instead of playing childish games like that
give a man a fish, he eats a meal. teach a man to fish and he learns to not go hungry, drink a lot in a boat or on shore and ignore a wife
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "professional" member of AAAS?
not without giving you my ID & personal site login info
there are different levels of membership with different levels of cost (i actually don't pay mine at all)

You can read up on that yourself if you want, hence the comment i made above: 你必須學會的研究
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (15) Mar 08, 2016
CapS. :)

What are you on about now? Where does "plagiarism" come into this? And when I publish the book it will be peer reviewed, naturally. Until then you are just making up 'coyness' rationalizations from your own need to manufacture some accusation or imagined failure on my part. Science publication will not be to your schedule or demand. It will be done as it is completed for publication according to the author's schedule.

And what's with the chinese proverb and the rest of that stuff? Have you lost it completely? See! I told you this obsessive behavior was not good for your health and sanity. You have to learn to let it go, mate, and quickly.

I didn't ask for your ID or personal site login info. I just asked what "professional" meant in the AAAP member context you posted about. What "profession" were you alluding to? That's all.

Why so coy about that too? Speak plainly, not childishly. Ta. :)

RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (14) Mar 08, 2016
Errata: Typo: In the second last paragraph that should have read AAAS not AAAP. Ta.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 08, 2016
Where does "plagiarism" come into this
@rc
you fear someone stealing your ideas, so you never say anything about your ToE, hence you can't comprehend the term: read the definition then get back to me, sam-i-am
it will be peer reviewed
how? you don't need peer review when you don't have math. etc, only spell/grammar check, and you've said it has none
Until then you are just making up 'coyness'
using your own words... shall i start linking all your quotes and threads where you cry about someone stealing your crap?
Science publication will not be to your schedule or demand
DILLIGAF? remember, i know you don't know what you are talking about... that is painfully obvious here on PO alone.... but then take your posts on Sci/Sapo...
And what's with the chinese proverb and the rest of that stuff?
not chinese proverb. perhaps you should 你必須學會的研究
I told you this obsessive behavior was not good
LMFAO
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 08, 2016
@rc cont'd
I didn't ask for your ID or personal site login info
didn't say you did, moron, try reading for comprehension! LMFAO
I just asked what "professional" meant in the AAAP member context you posted about
and i told you how to find out on the site
What "profession" were you alluding to?
MINE!
who's else would i be alluding to?
stop being silly!
Why so coy about that too?
maybe because i've already posted it ad nauseum here, and i aint sending you MORE info that is already available already... it is FREE to use google or other search engines (Try DuckDuckGo, it doesn't track you)
Speak plainly, not childishly
No, mr poopyhead! THPTHT
you don't seem to be able to comprehend basic English USA OR the Queens English, so perhaps maybe i should stick to monosyllabic vocabulary for your posts?

i will not post MORE about my profession since i've already put PICS etc up and shared them already
redundant redundant redundant redundant REEdundant

RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 08, 2016
CapS. What the??? What's with the "moron" and "mr poopyhead" stuff? You're slip-sliding away to childish incoherence and silly insults again. See to it quick smart before you slide even further away, mate. Anyhow, why can't you just say straight out what your "profession" is which you say you are "proud of" when you say you are "a proud professional member of AAAS". That's it. Just name the profession in question which you alluded to in the context of your AAAS membership. Why so coy and childish about it? So when I point out that I have countered all your tactics before many times and do not need to do it again, you complain and have tantrums. But now you want to say you have posted your info before and it's ok for you to use that reason for not posting it to me for the first time? Do you realize how unreasonable and slightly gaga that comes across as? Just stop playing your childish games and man up. Just name the "profession" you alluded to in context of AAAS membership. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 08, 2016
What's with the "moron" and "mr poopyhead" stuff
reading and comprehension aint big in your life, is it?
again, try re-reading for comprehension
... while you are at it, look up the following words: Hyperbole, satire, sarcasm, parody, humour
Anyhow, why can't you just say straight out what your "profession"
because it is plastered all over the f*cking web, INCLUDING CONVERSATIONS i've had with YOU... from here, sciforums and sapo's!!!!
either you are completely stupid or trying to be.... what?
is dementia settling in? if it is, i will answer you with a clear concise breakdown... just let me know!

you are wasting my time now, and i am headed out.
Wanna know my profession?
i am RETIRED ... try looking up combinations of words on a search engine...words like "truck captain"!!!

that is the whole reason i told you: 你必須學會的研究
it's part of the scientific method!

NITE
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 08, 2016
CapS. I was expecting a "profession" associated with your membership of AAAS. That's what I expected you were talking about when you said "I am a proud professional member of AAAS". So now you say it was your "Firetruck Captain" which you were alluding to in the context of your AAAS membership? Why didn't you say so straight away? Anyhow, what does your "Firetruck Captaincy" have to do with "pride" in AAAS membership? I am sure many science-UN-related "professions" are represented among AAAS members. Do all of them say things like "I am a proud professional member of AAAS"? The only reason anyone would say something like that is if their profession was in the Sciences per se, not just general professions which we all have of one sort or another. Is that why you wouldn't say what you meant straight away? Were you embarrassed to be caught out 'embellishing' your AAAS membership 'story'? Never mind. Let that go too, mate. We won't speak of it again if you like. :)
gkam
1.3 / 5 (16) Mar 08, 2016
I hope The Stump likes surprises.

Why is a young guy like that already parasiting off the government?
Captain Stumpy
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 08, 2016
I was expecting a "profession" associated with your membership of AAAS
@rc
and i've already told you personally and linked threads where this has been answered, you idiot
LEARN TO READ
So now you say it was your "Firetruck Captain"
that is one profession /reason, yes

the rest of your post is nonsensical
why do i care what anyone else says or does?
DILLIGAF???
Were you embarrassed to be caught
ROTFLMFAO
so, being proud of my support of science is a bad thing?
only from you, pseudoscience boy!

ROTFLMFAO

.

I hope The Stump likes surprises.
@LIAR-beni-kam
THERE is my daily threat!
why have you decided to post them here and stopped e-mailing them to me?
think it protects you? ROTFLMFAO

hey... have you sent my info to your lawyer yet?
I still haven't gotten an e-mail or summons...

kinda looking forward to that threat!
LMFAO
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 08, 2016
Hi CapS. Ok, since you want to pursue this, let's cut to the chase. Just answer me this:

Have you any professional qualification in the hard sciences?

And one can have pride in AAAS membership without professional qualifications in science, that was not the point I raised. And I said nothing about it being "bad" to be proud to support science. Why put words into other people's mouth like that? Not cool, mate.

Now, if you can't let it go, then at least just answer the above question straightforwardly; no more of your childish histrionics and insults and evasions. Thanks. :)
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (18) Mar 08, 2016
@ Really-Skippy. How you are Cher? I see you are still grumpy prickley and curmudgeony today. I am just find and dandy, rolling down the river, thanks for asking.

Have you any professional qualification in the hard sciences?
What does it matter if he does or he doesn't? You are the one who said the "Dr"s are not as smart as the "Mr"s. Did I change your mind about that? Or are you just doing what you do, arguing anything from any angle without caring about the trut?

Now, if you can't let it go, then at least just answer the above question straightforwardly
Why he should do that? You don't. You never have done that all the thousands of times peoples ask you something simple. Wiggly double talk with weird gobbledygook is your specialty Cher.
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 08, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Not rolling along the bottom are you? Just joking. :)

Hold on there, podna! It was CapS who said he was a proud "professional" member of AAAS. I just asked what "profession". And I only asked because I was curious which science profession he was implying. Now there seems to be a misunderstanding about it, I just want it clarified. Surely you can't object, since it was CapS who raised the "profession" angle? Anyhow, I offered to not mention it again, but he insisted on pursuing it. So I obliged.

By the way, podna, have you any on-topic comments on the science aspects reported on in the above PO article? If so, I would love to read same if you could oblige by posting same. Thanks.
Uncle Ira
4.6 / 5 (20) Mar 08, 2016
Hi Ira. :)

Not rolling along the bottom are you? Just joking. :)
Non Cher, we are still floating free. For now anyway.

By the way, podna, have you any on-topic comments on the science aspects reported on in the above PO article? If so, I would love to read same if you could oblige by posting same. Thanks.
This kind of science is way above my pay-grade Cher. About all I can say about it that makes any sense to say is,,,

This is some fascinating stuffs and it is a wondrous age we live in.

xys-Skippy, and IMP-Skippy, and antialias-Skippy and Techno-Skippy and axemaster-Skippy and Maggnus-Skippy and proto-Skippy usually have the best comments on this sort of article.

Oh yeah, I almost forget one, the jones-Skippy writes some good stuffs too. Some others I might be leaving out. Once the crankpots take over, then I come in to make some jokes and fun.
TehDog
5 / 5 (18) Mar 08, 2016
@RC
"You convince yourself of whatever 'reality' it is that soothes your ego most, mate."
Right back at you, mate.
Captain Stumpy
4.1 / 5 (14) Mar 09, 2016
since you want to pursue this
@rc
i'm not the one who keeps bringing it up... YOU are! LOL
Have you any professional qualification in the hard sciences?
YES
that was not the point I raised
LEARN TO READ
Why put words into other people's mouth like that?
i didn't, idiot, i asked a question
LEARN TO READ
if you can't let it go
I DID... you keep going back to it
LMFAO

i am not the one making the argument from authority like you do, even when you're wrong
nor am i saying that "i have a degree" like liar-kam
nor do i care about it UNLESS you use it as the basis of your argument (which is called a logical fallacy)

so - the question i want to know is:
why is my life so damn important to you?

so you can now scream "where is proof of your degree"???
http://www.fuckof...tard.edu

it's not relevant because it has NO BEARING at all on the conversation

RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 09, 2016
Hi CapS. :)

Come come, mate, here is where you raised the "Professional" angle:
i'm a proud professional member of AAAS


So please stop denying recorded reality. Admit you brought it up. I asked for clarification, and you started childish insults and evasions. I offered to not speak of it again, but you pursued it; so I obliged.

You now admit you have no qualification in hard sciences "professions"; and are only a 'layperson' member of AAAS; just like numerous other AAAS members having "general professions" not qualified in hard sciences. Thanks for that.

Again, come come, mate. I'm the one who has had to remind you constantly that personal status "has NO BEARING" in the objective science discourse on its merits. You finally 'get it' because I asked about your own personal "professional" claim. Better late than never.

So you'll end your off-topic personal tactics of questioning/attacking other people's personal status? Good. Stick to on-topic science raised. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 09, 2016
here is where you raised the "Professional" angle
@rc
and here is where you lied about fatal flaws you saw in a paper
http://phys.org/n...nal.html

So please stop denying recorded reality
im not
I offered to not speak of it again
is that why you keep posting about it?LMFAO
You now admit you have no qualification in hard sciences "professions"
so... now you can't read?
let me re-wuote
Have you any professional qualification in the hard sciences?
YES
WOW... yeah... that's admitting i have no quals! can't actually confuse that YES with NO... no wait... that is exactly what you just did! LMFAO
Thanks for that
thanks for demonstrating you are illiterate!< LMFAO
really? can you NOT READ?
LMFAO
I'm the one who has had to remind you constantly that personal status "has NO BEARING"
so... that is why you've been defending liar-kam and his history?
because it has no bearing?

you just proved you're an idiot!
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 09, 2016
@the idiot rc who is illiterate (please have someone read this to you)
So you'll end your off-topic personal tactics of questioning/attacking other people's personal status?
so long as a person uses this as THE BASIS for the argument..,
and so long as said person is in direct contradiction of the evidence
and so long as the argument they make has its only foundation in it's argument from authority
IT WILL BE AN ISSUE and i will argue the point

again, learn to actually read and comprehend what is being said before posting and proving you are either stupid, illiterate, or intentionally trolling because you don't know WTF is going on
You finally 'get it' because I asked about your own personal "professional" claim
ROTFLMFAO
you really need to learn how to read!
Stick to on-topic science raised
you mean like your last 20 posts????

ROTFLMFAO

idiot!

Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (14) Mar 09, 2016
let me re-wuote
this should read "let me re-quote"
I was laughing too hard to hit the right key!

if there are any more typo's... that is the cause!

i only noticed that one because i showed the grammar nazi wife, who pointed it out while laughing about the reading and comprehension abilities of rc!

LMFAO
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 09, 2016
CapS. :)

Come come, why deny recorded reality again? You're the one keeps bringing 'personal stuff' into most threads. Don't blame your victims. Most of my posts were in response to your usual personal crap and half-truth misrepresentation of what transpired. My first post was in reply to ScienceFair's unfair, insulting disrespectful comments regarding pioneering skilled practitioners in the engineering fields. You started posting and, voila', we have a long series of your 'personal' stuff posts! You continued to post that stuff, and I defended against it. My posts were in answer to YOUR posts; so don't come 'the little miss innocent' act with the forum, mate. If you hadn't posted your usual personal crap 'stuff', there would have been no replies needed from me. And your 'laughing too hard' excuse is just as lame as your 'didn't know about the Oregon Occupation' excuse. You keep digging your own 'personal' holes; and when challenged, resort to childish excuses. Stop digging.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2016
ROTFLMFAO
Most of my posts were in response to your usual personal crap
@rc
so... this would mean, by definition, that you are able to finally present the 4 fatal flaws and 4 other flaws in the BICEP paper for analysis?

LMFAO
https://www.psych...ttle-ego

oh... now you are degrading into hysteria and lashing out with lies

tell you what
given that you didn't read the posts that gave rise to the argument in the first place, just like you don't usually read the context of a point...
i am going to go eat and laugh at you!

when you can actually provide EVIDENCE for your claims, we can talk

until then, consider every post that i downrate to be followed by the following quote from me:

"TL;DR
out of context
chronic lying
trolling/baiting

LEARN TO READ
reported"

OK?
especially since you are absolutely LYING now and can't read what i wrote above because of your BS!
THANKS, mate!
:-)
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (18) Mar 09, 2016
CapS. You lost that one long ago. It will all be in my ToE. Remember at the time I said I couldn't go into more detail because I didn't want to let anything slip which will be part of the complete ToE publication? Probably not; your 'memory' seems as selective as your 'reality'. And why need you invoke your 'wife' so often? Is she your carer and have power of attorney over you and your personal affairs? If so, why does the 'wife' you keep dragging into your childish excuses not remind you of these facts you deny, if she is your gatekeeper and controller as you keep telling the forum? Or is she just humoring you so you won't turn nasty? It's been known to happen. Please keep your 'wife' out of your lame excuses in future; that's a good chap. Your continuing childish hysteria, lame excuses and unhealthily obsessive off-topic personal rants don't help your cause (whatever that is). Give it up, CapS. Stick to the on-topic science of this thread. Let it go, mate. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.8 / 5 (16) Mar 09, 2016
You lost that one long ago.
oh, is that why you can't actually link the EVIDENCE proving i lost it?
LMFAO

oh, for the rest:

TL;DR
out of context
chronic lying
trolling/baiting

LEARN TO READ
reported

L8er baiting troll ToE-boy !
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (18) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
@retardedcheck

as soon as you link the evidence proving you saw the 4 fatal flaws, 4 other flaws and that "you won" that argument (which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know)

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"

:-)
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.

@regurgitatedcheck

as soon as you link the evidence proving you saw the 4 fatal flaws, 4 other flaws and that "you won" that argument (which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know)

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"

:-)

RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.

@roboStupidCheck

as soon as you link the evidence proving you saw the 4 fatal flaws, 4 other flaws and that "you won" that argument (which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know)

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"

:-)
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
@trolling-retardo-botCheck

as soon as you link the evidence proving you saw the 4 fatal flaws, 4 other flaws and that "you won" that argument (which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know)

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"

:-)
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (16) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 09, 2016
Let it go, CapS.
@stupidf*ckingtrollRC

as soon as you link the evidence proving you saw the 4 fatal flaws, 4 other flaws and that "you won" that argument (which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know)

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"

:-)

the ONLY reason you keep bot-posting the exact same thing is because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no evidence and that i was correct

this is why you got booted from Sciforums - TWICE
it is why they wouldn't let you back in with your multiple SOCKS
it is why you got heaved from Sapo's
it is why you are considered a trolling backwards lying POS here

(ok... now copy/paste your reply from above!
i've already put a bet on how many times you will do it, and i am making MONEY!
LMFAO)
RealityCheck
1.5 / 5 (16) Mar 10, 2016
The recorded facts and Internet Experiments proved I was correct all along and you lied and lost all along. I was vindicated at every turn. It's old years' baggage. It's over. Let it go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 10, 2016
The recorded facts and Internet Experiments proved I was correct
@illiterateRC
then it should be easy enough for you to validate your claim and link that evidence here and show:
1- the 4 fatal flaws
2- 4 other flaws
3- and that "you won" that argument - which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"
you lied
Oh, well then you can actually LINK that evidence too, right?
LMFAO

:-)

the ONLY reason you keep bot-posting the exact same thing is because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no evidence and that i was correct

this is why you got booted from Sciforums - TWICE
it is why they wouldn't let you back in with your multiple SOCKS
it is why you got heaved from Sapo's
it is why you are considered a trolling backwards lying POS here
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 10, 2016
CapS. Been there done that last two years. You lost. Get over it. Move on. Let it go. Hush.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 10, 2016
Been there done that last two years. You lost
@stilladumb*ssRC
then it should be easy enough for you to validate your claim and link that evidence here and show:
1- the 4 fatal flaws
2- 4 other flaws
3- and that "you won" that argument - which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know

you link all that evidence and i promise that i will "let it go"

:-)

the ONLY reason you keep bot-posting the exact same thing is because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no evidence and that i was correct

this is why you got booted from Sciforums - TWICE
it is why they wouldn't let you back in with your multiple SOCKS
it is why you got heaved from Sapo's
it is why you are considered a trolling backwards lying POS here

the only reason you aren't Banned from here is because there is no real moderation
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 10, 2016
CapS. The last two years, and Internet experiments using alternative names, proved the bans were result of moderator power abuses with collusion of protected trolls used to sabotage threads and frame targets for banning. Some mods-trolls even boasted about it. A moderator left in disgrace, and the troll was banned, after I proved they abused their power for ego-games against site rules, against genuine members and genuine science discourse. You are obsessed because of ego. You are in denial of the fact you got me all wrong because of others opinions/lies about me. You are a 'follower' who would deny to the end rather than apologize and admit 'friends' who you 'suck up' to and 'follow' were bad people and still rule your behavior, beliefs and personal prejudices. You are no better than a religious zealot. Obsessed and unbalanced. It's unhealthy to carry your reality denial and prejudicial baggage into this new year of discovery and reconciliation. Let your mega-ego go, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.5 / 5 (15) Mar 10, 2016
@POS-rc-liar
1- if you could prove anything in the above paragraph with evidence, you would be back on SciForums AND Sapo's
(you're not- just sayin')

2- it's not about ego, its about EVIDENCE - you have none, and still refuse to supply any, therefore, you're a chronic lying pseudoscience troll with mental problems

IF you have evidence then it should be easy enough for you to validate your claim and link that evidence here and show:
1- the 4 fatal flaws
2- 4 other flaws
3- and that "you won" that argument - which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know

:-)

the ONLY reason you keep bot-posting the exact same thing is because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no evidence and that i was correct

this is why:
-you got booted from Sciforums - TWICE
-they wouldn't let you back in with your multiple SOCKS
-you got heaved from Sapo's
-you are considered a trolling backwards lying POS here
RealityCheck
1.7 / 5 (17) Mar 10, 2016
CapS. Been there done that last two years. You lost because you lied and became obsessed in denial of reality all the way along. And what's with the stream of childish variations when addressing your posts? Do you realize what they say about you, mate? Put that into your psychology studies, and stop stalking others. And please watch your blood pressure and your mouth, CapS. Learn from your past mistakes instead of repeating them in obsessive denial all this year too. It's unhealthy, mate. Let your mega-ego and your old personal baggage go, CapS. Don't diminish your potential like this. Grow. :)
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 10, 2016
@still a LIARrc
Been there done that last two years
then why can't you actually LINK EVIDENCE here?
LMFAO

IF you have evidence then it should be easy enough for you to validate your claim and link that evidence here and show:
1- the 4 fatal flaws
2- 4 other flaws
3- and that "you won" that argument - which, by definition, can only be won by actually producing evidence... just so you know

:-)
but you don't, so we see you are a chronic liar!

the ONLY reason you keep bot-posting the exact same thing is because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no evidence and that i was correct

this is why:
-you got booted from Sciforums - TWICE
-they wouldn't let you back in with your multiple SOCKS
-you got heaved from Sapo's
-you are considered a trolling backwards lying POS here

the only reason you aren't Banned from here is because there is no real moderation
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (16) Mar 11, 2016
Hush, child.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
Hush
as soon as you bring the evidence to the table @POSgeriatricCHECK

and again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, troll and that you have no credibility

no evidence, no cred's=chronic liar

it is why you were banned from SciForum and Sapo, it is why you will never publish in a peer reviewed journal

i can provide evidence of your lies, from your "cavalry" gonna save us all to more...

you can't actually provide anything but a FALSE CLAIM
(AKA - LIE)

thanks for validating my claim ONCE AGAIN!

:-)

gkam
1 / 5 (14) Mar 12, 2016
"Anyhow, what does your "Firetruck Captaincy" have to do with "pride" in AAAS membership?"
----------------------------------

Don't question The Stump. He is the cop, because he cannot prove anything about himself. Just another sniper, hiding from us.

Where is the PROOF, Stumpy? Where?
Captain Stumpy
4.7 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
Ah- my daily threat! LMFAO
because he cannot prove anything about himself
@liar-kam
1- unlike you, i am not the one making the argument from authority, so i have no need to prove anything about myself

2- who f*cking cares? i could be homeless: when something is correct and there are links/references/evidence proving it, it doesn't matter how many degree's you have
(especially when, like you, you claim something that is proven factually incorrect)
Where is the PROOF
i proved:
you are a LIAR and don't know what ThZ is: http://phys.org/n...ess.html

you were an idiot and anti-constitution (and a scared spineless troll)
http://phys.org/n...ine.html

you hate real soldiers who serve
http://phys.org/n...rse.html

you lied about listening to the Scorpion die live over AFN
http://phys.org/n...ich.html

LMFAO
gkam
1 / 5 (14) Mar 12, 2016
I promised Sapo I would not take our discussion there, but other fora are still available.

And yes, I DID listen to us lose the Scorpion with its 99 crewmembers, and it was not funny.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (11) Mar 12, 2016
@liar-beni-kam cont'd
hiding from us
no i'm not
and i proved to you i was real and sent you proof
so per your own argument, you can't state with any authority that i ain't real because i proved it to you
LMFAO

Hey georgette the liar... i thought you were gonna sick your lawyers on me?

when is that gonna happen, because i got plans for the summer... i will not even be around my house... so you will have to wait for fall if oyu don't get off your butt soon!

LMFAO
I DID listen to us lose the Scorpion
NOT LIVE< you didn't
and definitely not live over AFN or military radio
(classified missions don't get airtime LIVE, you idiot)
and it was not funny.
never said it was
the sinking was a tragedy... your mockery of the situation is pathetic

your CLAIMS, however, are the funny part because they're easily proven to be lies
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
I promised Sapo I would not take our discussion there, but other fora are still available.
@liar-kam
1- SAPO's is a moderated site, so your cry-baby unsubstantiated claims would be deleted and you would be banhammered (unless you use PM, which is evidence against you)

2- moderated sites don't allow unsubstantiated claims either, so your argument is irrelevant (still)

3- e-mail is out because you have the same problem: validating a claim

4- you've already threatened to take me to court... why hasn't that materialised?

'cause the lawyer told you the same thing everyone else did?

(IOW- ya aint got evidence or a case!)
LMFAO
RealityCheck
1.9 / 5 (15) Mar 12, 2016
Whatever you say, child. We all heard your rant the first umpteen times. Now hush your noise and stop cluttering up threads and annoying the forum. Go be "professional" somewhere else where your kind of "professional" behavior in internet stalking, bot-voting, lying and denying is appreciated, CapS.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
@far-from-realityPOS
We all heard your rant the first umpteen times
then why aren't you posting the EVIDENCE you claim to have and why are you hiding behind liar-kam? (another argument-from-authority-with-no-evidence troll?)

no evidence = no credibility =chronic liar

.

and THANKS because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, troll and that you have no credibility

no evidence = no credibility =chronic liar

it is why you were banned from SciForum and Sapo

it is why you will never publish in a peer reviewed journal

i can provide evidence of your lies, you can't even provide evidence that you were telling the truth!

you can't actually provide anything but a FALSE CLAIM
(AKA - LIE)

thanks for validating my claim ONCE AGAIN!

:-)
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (15) Mar 12, 2016
Hush now. Dream on, "professional" child.
Captain Stumpy
4.3 / 5 (12) Mar 12, 2016
@pseudoscience sam
no evidence = no credibility =chronic liar

.

and THANKS because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, troll and that you have no credibility
Dream on,
so, you CAN validate your claims and prove the 4 fatal flaws from BICEP?

well why didn't you say so!

LINK it here!
THANKS
:-)

LMFAO
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (15) Mar 12, 2016
Hush, child.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
LMFAO
... you can't find evidence... so your best tactic is simply to keep repeating "hush" or some other Bullsh*t?
LMFAO
Hush
@pseudoscience-check
Sure, as soon as you can produce the evidence supporting your claims of 4 fatal flaws in BICEP as well as the proof that you have posted this in the past "proving" yourself!

until then:

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = pseudoscience idiot

.

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

:-P
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (15) Mar 12, 2016
Hush, child.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
@NON-realityTROLL
TL;DR
reported for spamming and crossposting, baiting and trolling

no evidence + no credibility + chronic liar = pseudoscience idiot

.

and THANKS
because, again you prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you are a chronic liar, you have no evidence, you're troll and that you have no credibility

:-P
gkam
1 / 5 (14) Mar 12, 2016
Can't we rid ourselves of Stumpy, the Mall Cop with a Computer?

His abusive insults are ruining this forum.
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (15) Mar 12, 2016
OK, forum, how about we all now concentrate on the on-topic science discussion. Are there any on-topic science comments in the context of the discussion on same? Thanks.
Captain Stumpy
4.4 / 5 (13) Mar 12, 2016
how about we all now concentrate on the on-topic science discussion
@pseudoscience-sam
been trying to do that for days now...until you disrupted the thread starting MAR 05

here are points that are not only ON TOPIC, but also relevant to the original discussion you ignored and didn't read... as well as the one with YOU (and liar-kam)

point 1: for SCIENCE to work - there must be authentication & validation
this means, when someone makes a claim, it MUST be authenticated and validated
(you/liar-kam fail here)

point 2: repeating a lie doesn't make it true

point 3: (repeated above for you more than a few times) EVIDENCE - you aint got it, you can't prove it... you can't say it's true/real/whatever

if you would have read the initial posts instead of commenting out of context, you would have learned that

this is a serious ongoing problem with you as well... and it's hypocrisy
you want people to take things in context, then you should also consider context
gkam
1 / 5 (15) Mar 12, 2016
Everybody can see you coming apart, Stumpy.

Take a day off.

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