US company to sell smartphone-shaped gun

March 28, 2016
Ideal Conceal will sell a folding smartphone-shaped pistol that is a double-barrelled .380 caliber gu
Ideal Conceal will sell a folding smartphone-shaped pistol that is a double-barrelled .380 caliber gun

Americans will soon be able to buy a smartphone-shaped gun that can hold two bullets and easily slip into a pocket.

The Minnesota-based company Ideal Conceal says it will sell the new weapon from mid-2016.

"Ingeniously designed to resemble a smartphone, yet with one click of the safety it opens and is ready to fire," the company says on its website.

"Smartphones are everywhere, so your new pistol will easily blend in with today's environment," it adds. "In its locked position it will be virtually undetectable because it hides in plain sight."

The is a double-barrelled .380 caliber folding pistol that will sell for $395, the says.

Americans are deeply divided over gun rights between those who say carrying firearms is necessary for self-defense and others who support better gun control to fight an epidemic of shooting deaths in the country.

Firearms kill a total of 30,000 people each year.

However, Republican lawmakers, many of whom are backed by the powerful National Rifle Association, have blocked President Barack Obama's attempt to pass gun control legislation.

"No one wants to be in a dreadful situation that may require you to defend yourself with the use of deadly force," Ideal Conceal's website says. "Yet as the old adage goes: 'It's better to have a gun and not need one, than to need a gun and not have one.'"

Law enforcers may have a different view.

"In general, the concept of any kind of weapon that's disguised, so that it's not apparent that it's a , would be cause for concern," Bill Johnson, director of the National Association of Police Organizations, told CNN.

Eight states allow carrying concealed guns without a permit to do so.

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RMQ
5 / 5 (5) Mar 28, 2016
very "ingenious", I bet they thought about the children getting those to play.... they play with the real guns, ending in calamities.

Wait... they were more likely "thinking" on profits.
cantdrive85
3 / 5 (8) Mar 28, 2016
Just one more opportunity for cops to get away with murder.
"He's got a smartphone, drop him!" Of course, if they were black they'd be dead at "H".
Eikka
4 / 5 (4) Mar 28, 2016
'It's better to have a gun and not need one, than to need a gun and not have one.'"


That's a pascal's wager.

Carrying an unnecessary gun, you can still end up hurting yourself or someone else with it by accident, or end up having it misplaced or stolen and someone else dead or injured with it, or even in the case where you could use it, you can fail to utilize it to effect and put yourself into deeper trouble - i.e. taking your chances at a shoot-out instead of taking off and then failing to hit the intended target, or getting yourself mistaken for a criminal with a weapon by others.

It's a world of possibilities, and the rational thinker would weigh their probabilities per case rather than issuing a blanket statement like that.
kochevnik
3 / 5 (4) Mar 28, 2016
@Eikka Carrying an unnecessary gun, you can still end up hurting yourself or someone else with it by accident, or end up having it misplaced or stolen and someone else dead or injured with it, or even in the case where you could use it, you can fail to utilize it to effect and put yourself into deeper trouble - i.e. taking your chances at a shoot-out instead of taking off and then failing to hit the intended target, or getting yourself mistaken for a criminal with a weapon by others.
You are conflating cowardice as Pascal's wager. Not at all related
dan42day
1.5 / 5 (4) Mar 28, 2016
Eikka, you forgot the case where you could and probably should use it and do, but a jury decides you were not justified and you end up in prison anyway. I'd rather be dead than in prison. That's why the only place I carry my gun is in the top drawer of the night stand. I like to feel safe in my bed at night, and figure I'm taking an acceptable risk every time I leave my house unarmed.
MR166
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 28, 2016
I am a firm believer in 2nd amendment rights. That being said, I can see no justification for this weapon. It can only make the police more nervous and that will lead to more shootings. Now if I were a cop and saw someone holding a cellphone I would have a just cause to shoot them if they did not follow my instructions. The only person that would want a gun like this is one who wants to carry it illegally.
antigoracle
5 / 5 (2) Mar 28, 2016
Looking forward to the news story. Man shoots his ear off answering his phone.
Skepticus
5 / 5 (2) Mar 29, 2016
Professionally produced Iphone bombs next?!
Osiris1
5 / 5 (1) Mar 29, 2016
now suppose some hacker calls into your phone with the right code and shoots your willy off with your own gun
Eikka
5 / 5 (3) Mar 29, 2016
You are conflating cowardice as Pascal's wager. Not at all related


So you mean the "Better to have a gun..." argument is actually a display of cowardice, rather than a false dilemma?

I'm not afraid of walking around without a gun.
antialias_physorg
4 / 5 (6) Mar 29, 2016
That's why the only place I carry my gun is in the top drawer of the night stand.

Does that help? This is a serious question. I would imagine anyone would feel rather less safe with a gun anywhere in their home (especially if there are others living there, too....or frequent visitors).
MR166
1.5 / 5 (2) Mar 29, 2016
Anti here in the US we have huge inner-city/ghetto problems. Drug gangs are common and they are devoid of morals and ethics. Home owners need a way to defend themselves from this chaos. People including the anti-gun advocates think nothing of a politician, CEO or entertainer having armed guards. Why should a law abiding normal citizen not have the exact same protections via full carry laws?
antialias_physorg
3.6 / 5 (7) Mar 29, 2016
Home owners need a way to defend themselves from this chaos.

Locked doors?

I certainly wouldn't feel safe if normal people started to carry guns around. Everyone can have a bad day - and having a gun nearby (whether it's in your pocket or in your nighstand drawer) is a really, really bad idea at these times.

And I think it's rather more likely to have a really bad day than ever getting into a situation where would need a gun (or rather: where a gun yould do you or anyone else any more good than just running away)...even in american cities.

Why should a law abiding normal citizen not have the exact same protections via full carry laws?

They should, from a legal POV. But in the end laws are there to keep society together. And full carry laws certainly do the opposite of that. Everyone starts to fear everyone else - because everyone is (or may be) carrying.

The result: Look at the current state of US society as compared to...basically everywhere else.
kochevnik
1 / 5 (2) Mar 29, 2016
@Eikka I'm not afraid of walking around without a gun.
The logical contrapositive of that statement is "With a gun I am afraid of walking"
That's why the only place I carry my gun is in the top drawer of the night stand.
Does that help? This is a serious question. I would imagine anyone would feel rather less safe with a gun anywhere in their home (especially if there are others living there, too....or frequent visitors).
I would suggest at close range one have a shotgun with large lead pellets that can penetrate doors. If someone is rushing at you, you may not have time to aim at the centere of mass
kochevnik
2 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
@antialias_physorg They should, from a legal POV. But in the end laws are there to keep society together. And full carry laws certainly do the opposite of that. Everyone starts to fear everyone else - because everyone is (or may be) carrying.
The laws are there to serve the elite. Only a constitution limits their power. That's why you have currency instead of money. I saw the most fear in places such as Richmond, California where thugs are paid $1000/mo not to kill, and where a British advertising entrepreneur was stabbed twice in the head on camera while walking with his niece

The result: Look at the current state of US society as compared to...basically everywhere else.
Yes everywhere there are anti-gun laws crime even exceeds levels in Yeltsin's Russia. Your dear Europe is being Islamified because your NATO attempted war with Russia but instead now the Turkish president made lucrative business opening EU immigration floodgates to rapists and Saudi Imams
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (6) Mar 29, 2016
Your dear Europe is being Islamified because your NATO attempted war with Russia but instead now the Turkish president made lucrative business opening EU immigration floodgates to rapists and Saudi Imams

Erm...whut?

The laws are there to serve the elite. Only a constitution limits their power.

You are aware that the constitution was written by the elite?

If someone is rushing at you

OK...can you describe a scenario like this that occurs realistically? I mean: most of these 'home defense' scenarios like "rapist breaking in", "burglar rushing you" or similar are so ludicrous they could be right out if Hollywood movies (and probably are).
gkam
2 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
"Firearms kill a total of 30,000 people each year."
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No they do not,.. Those deaths are from the idiots who NEED man-killers to feel "safe", or for the thrill-killing of animals.
TheGhostofOtto1923
2.6 / 5 (7) Mar 29, 2016
"Americans are deeply divided over gun rights..."

-No theyre not. More propaganda. This is proven every time a politician takes it upon himself to vote in favor of restrictive gun laws and is quickly voted out of office. This is precisely why the democratic candidates are not talking about it.

And every time obama brings it up gun sales soar.

"...between those who say carrying firearms is necessary for self-defense and others who support better gun control to fight an epidemic of shooting deaths in the country."

-Yet more propaganda. Shooting deaths are way down per capita. False reporting is way up as this is election season.
I certainly wouldn't feel safe if normal people started to carry guns around
Cops are normal people. Cops have bad days. So do security guards, armored car personnel, and the few million normal people with concealed carry permits around this country.

The presence of firearms makes society safer.

Sorry but you're a shill.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
the idiots who NEED man-killers to feel "safe"
Well sure, psychopaths feel safer knowing their victims are unarmed.

You can tell a psychopath by the way he will attempt to belittle people by calling them goobers and insulting their manhood.

From a position of safety that is.

Hey georgie I was in Barnes and Noble the other day and saw a Sci fi book that might interest you called Quantum Night. Check it out.
http://www.goodre...um-night

-A scientist develops a foolproof method of detecting psychopaths. Neat idea eh?

He simply checks for microsaccades which are small involuntary eye movements. Psychopaths don't have them, giving rise to their notorious stare.

Why don't you stare at a mirror for 10 secs and find out? I would think that knowing for sure would be a tactical advantage for serial liars and victimizers.

But you already know don't you? You all do. And you DO consider it a distinct advantage over lesser mortals, am I right?
Zzzzzzzz
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 29, 2016
When the first smartphone gun gets through airport security and then used on the other side, Ideal Conceal will be sued into oblivion......probably right where it belongs
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
When the first smartphone gun gets through airport security and then used on the other side, Ideal Conceal will be sued into oblivion......probably right where it belongs
Well in recent test over 95% of regular guns got through Airport security.

"According to a report based on an internal investigation, "red teams" with the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General were able to get banned items through the screening process in 67 out of 70 tests it conducted across the nation."

-Another shill. What else don't you know?
gkam
2 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
It is interesting to see those who need guns to be equal to the rest of us. Of course, when faced with the reality of it, such as in the Republican Convention, they get SCARED.

The fact is, they do not trust their follow gun folk with guns, only themselves.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
It is interesting to see those who need guns to be equal to the rest of us
... 'rest of us' meaning YOU right?

"They see nothing wrong with the way they think or act, and they never look back with regret or forward with concern. They perceive themselves as superior beings in a hostile world in which others are competitors for power and resources. They feel it is the optimum thing to do to manipulate and deceive others in order to obtain what they want."

-You can tell a psychopath by the way he will attempt to belittle people by calling them goobers and insulting their manhood.

George - Why is it so EASY to interpret everything you say in terms of psychopathy?

Doesn't this tell us SOMETHING of what you are and why you do what you do??
gkam
2.6 / 5 (5) Mar 29, 2016
"George - Why is it so EASY to interpret everything you say in terms of psychopathy?"
--------------------------------

Because of yours, Toots. You are the one absolutely fixated on psychopathy. It is in almost all of your posts, an obvious scream for help.

Don't you have National Health Care?
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
now suppose some hacker calls into your phone with the right code and shoots your willy off with your own gun

When the first smartphone gun gets through airport security and then used on the other side, Ideal Conceal will be sued into oblivion

The way I read it we're talking about a gun in the shape of a phone. Not a phone with gun-capability. These things will show up just as well as any other gun on scanners.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
Well then provide specific examples of things I say in comparison to what a psychopath would be expected to say, as I do you.

I need remind you that merely declaring things to be true doesn't make them so.

But then a psychopath would naturally expect people to accept whatever he says as fact, even if they are obvious and juvenile lies and fabrications, and then belittle those who dont.

Which you do.

And he would even go so far as to get an honorary MS and then declare that it made him an authority in anything he said it did.

Which you do.

See? More evidence IMHO that george kamburoff is a lying, cheating, frothing psychopath gleaned from the very things that george kamburoff himself says.

You can't run and you can't hide georgie.
gkam
2 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
I am in the open.

Who are you? Why are you so SCARED to reveal your silly little self?

What would the Head Librarian say?

In any case, this is only a talking point for you folk who are rightly not allowed to have guns. So just mouth off, instead.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Mar 29, 2016
gkam
2 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
You posted my Social Security number and accepted responsibility when I told you to take it down.

You will answer for it.
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 29, 2016
You posted my Social Security number
ah... no
YOU posted it

You will answer for it.
threats don't scare me

you got my address

Zzzzzzzz
5 / 5 (4) Mar 29, 2016
When the first smartphone gun gets through airport security and then used on the other side, Ideal Conceal will be sued into oblivion......probably right where it belongs
Well in recent test over 95% of regular guns got through Airport security.

"According to a report based on an internal investigation, "red teams" with the Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General were able to get banned items through the screening process in 67 out of 70 tests it conducted across the nation."

-Another shill. What else don't you know?

I can easily see what you do not know - me. But you think you do. Perhaps you think you know a lot. Perhaps you're mistaken all around.
MR166
3 / 5 (2) Mar 29, 2016
".....or for the thrill-killing of animals." One of the prime directives of real hunters and fishermen is to eat what you kill. It is all part of the US rural heritage of feeding one's family. Killing for sport is frowned upon.
antialias_physorg
4.3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2016
Killing for sport is frowned upon.

Is it even a sport when one side is massively overpowered and the other side doesn't know they are playing? If that's a sport then kicking babies is a sport.
gkam
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2016
Wild game is full of parasites and diseases. And it is just an excuse to kill, for many. They do not need the meat, they need the thrills of killing.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2016
You posted my Social Security number and accepted responsibility when I told you to take it down.

You will answer for it
In the psychopathic mind, any mistake they make has to be the fault of other, less than perfect, people.

Psychopaths are incapable of admitting they are fuckups.

This is for instance why you claim that losing 12 or 14 jobs was something you did on purpose.
Wild game is full of parasites and diseases
-So is society.

"#9 on the Hare psychopathy checklist;
PARASITIC LIFESTYLE — An intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities."

"More and more data are leading to the conclusion that psychopathy has a biological basis, and has many features of a disease," says Sabine Herpertz, a psychiatrist at the RWTH-Aachen University in Germany"
TheGhostofOtto1923
3 / 5 (4) Mar 30, 2016
Is it even a sport when one side is massively overpowered and the other side doesn't know they are playing?
Wild animals always know they are being hunted and have many innate behaviors to avoid being taken. Thats what makes it a sport.
If that's a sport then kicking babies is a sport
Babies don't have antlers.
https://youtu.be/ysOGIsX9Sx8
Captain Stumpy
3.4 / 5 (5) Mar 30, 2016
Wild game is full of parasites and diseases
maybe where you live it is... not here, liar-kam
spreading lies because you believe in them doesn't mean they're true

this goes back to a comment you made elsewhere
What you do is what counts.
http://phys.org/n...age.html

what you have done on PO is spread false claims and pseudoscience by claiming you're an authority, even when proven wrong about a topic
so what does that say about your own character?

.

.

If that's a sport then kicking babies is a sport.
@AA_P
and in some places i bet it is - especially where racial or cultural hatred is a defining factor of the area

this is NOT an endorsement of sport hunting, BTW
i absolutely hate that, because it takes meat off of my table... around here, it is mitigated by the slaughterhouses and taxidermists who take the meat and sell it or donate it to the needy, so it works for the benefit of others
gkam
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2016
"Thats what makes it a sport."
---------------------------

A "sport" to you, with the Big Gun, not to the defenseless animal which dies for your thrill.
MR166
3 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2016
What exactly is the difference between a hunter who kills a Thanksgiving turkey out in the field and a housewife who bags one in her local supermarket???
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 30, 2016
What exactly is the difference between a hunter who kills a Thanksgiving turkey out in the field and a housewife who bags one in her local supermarket???
@MR166
it's a lot easier to hit a turkey in the market and you don't waste as many shots??

LMFAO

actually, to be honest: taste, filler, environmental exposures

the turkey bred for the market are meat-heavy and have a tendency to be full of products designed to enhance the flavour, size and make it grow better (antibiotics etc)

just like it is common to use CO on red meats to make it look more red, and supermarkets/bulk packagers also use similar filler to make poultry more appealing and get the weight up to reduce cost to them - remember the slurry used in meats?

Wild turkey, on the otherhand, will make you drunk

no wait... you mean mean the bird
that one will be leaner, tougher meat, but taste a lot different because of it's environment and feed
i prefer the taste of wild turkey (bird) to farm raised

MR166
5 / 5 (2) Mar 31, 2016
I agree Captain that wild game is a lot better for you than commercially farmed stuff. Even grass fed, straight from the farm, beef has a surprisingly different taste and texture than regular beef.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 31, 2016
I agree Captain that wild game is a lot better for you than commercially farmed stuff. Even grass fed, straight from the farm, beef has a surprisingly different taste and texture than regular beef.
@Mr166
also note, wild turkey (the bird) has more dark meat than farmed turkey (which i prefer)

i am not a big fan of beef, especially considering the additives... i prefer Buffalo or deer for my red meat... plus maybe some Kosher Pork
axemaster
5 / 5 (5) Apr 02, 2016
Here's the thing I've never understood about concealed weapons - if your goal is to protect yourself from being attacked, isn't a CONCEALED weapon the worst way to do that? By definition, the criminal doesn't know it's there. There's no deterrent effect at all. The weapon only comes out after the situation has already escalated, at which point it's a lot more likely to be used.

It would make a lot more sense to ban concealed weapons, and only allow people to publicly carry some non-automatic longer gun (that can't be concealed beneath clothing). THAT would protect the user - criminals would see it and be warned away. And it would be difficult for criminals to use it in crimes, again because it can't be concealed.

This is why I have never understood why pistols are allowed so freely.
TheGhostofOtto1923
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 02, 2016
By showing your defense it makes countering that defense easier. A criminal would seek to grab your gun or your gun arm, or simply shoot you first. How many idiots try to grab cop guns?

Wearing a gun in your home or place of business makes sense. Wearing one in public doesnt except when concealed.
gkam
1 / 5 (3) Apr 02, 2016
otto lives in a nation where he is not allowed to hold a gun. So take his opinion as fantasy.

But we do not need more guns. More Guns = More Killings
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (5) Apr 02, 2016
Now everybody with a cell phone is a target. And everyone who pulls one out to summon the authorities is a potential shooter.

BAD idea.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 02, 2016
if your goal is to protect yourself from being attacked, isn't a CONCEALED weapon the worst way to do that?
@Axe
yes and no
first - concealed only means not readily seen by the public (like a detective), so concealed doesn't necessarily mean inaccessible

two - it is and always should be a last resort use only

three - pulling it doesn't mean shooting it, unlike the disturbing stupidity of liar-beni-kam above

gun rights aren't just about the right to carry or concealed carry
we have excellent laws in place already but they're not always enforced

so if you ban any weapon then the only people carrying guns will be the criminals. this is obvious in LA, Miami, NYC, Chicago, DC and other violent cities where felons regularly carry

if we ban all dangerous tools, then hospitals and cars would be the first to go

it also never addresses the core problem of the violence of the *user*

why ban a pistol or a tool for the violence that is from the user??
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 02, 2016
@Axe cont'd
only allow people to publicly carry some non-automatic longer gun (that can't be concealed beneath clothing). THAT would protect the user - criminals would see it and be warned away
not really. one idea of concealed carry is the ability to use. hanign on clothes would be problematic and cause accidents or even discharges
bad idea
it would be difficult for criminals
criminals would shorten them or use pistols
most criminals can't own guns but still use/own them

they don't obey laws by definition

.

.

Now everybody with a cell phone is a target....BAD idea.
@Schneib
now this i agree with

offered IMHO only:

we don't need cops or any other authority to be fearful of anyone with a phone

we also don't need trigger happy neurotic criminals who are inexperienced suddenly becoming mass murderers because a phone was on a target they wanted to hit

but again, that is IMHO
EnricM
not rated yet Apr 04, 2016
very "ingenious", I bet they thought about the children getting those to play.... they play with the real guns, ending in calamities.

Wait... they were more likely "thinking" on profits.


This has already been addressed. For children they will create a version with a mini-rocket launcher and a 30 rounds magazine that can also be used as an explosive device.

It would be a pity that True American Children are not allowed their constitutional rights.

antialias_physorg
not rated yet Apr 04, 2016
It would be a pity that True American Children are not allowed their constitutional rights.

Well you CAN legally own a flamethrower in the US. ("Spaceballs(TM) the flamethrower! The kids love this one!" ... is NOT a joke)

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