Opinion: Is the global warming 'hiatus' over?

Is the global warming 'hiatus' over?
Are we in for more heat? Credit: suburbanbloke/flickr, CC BY-SA

There are many ongoing signs that the planet is heating up, even "on fire."

In the western region of North America, the prolonged drought has led to high temperatures and many wildfires, from Canada and the Northwest earlier this summer to California more recently. The Pacific is very active with hurricanes, typhoons and tropical cyclones, and with several damaging hits in Japan, China and Taiwan, in particular. So far, by contrast, the Atlantic tropical storm season is quiet.

Globally, surface temperatures have been setting record high values (see figure below). US temperatures this year are well above normal as a whole, running 1.7 Fahrenheit above the 20th-century average (through July; the 10th highest on record). However, precipitation has been well above average in much of the country outside of the West, making temperatures lower than they otherwise would have been (owing to more cloud and evaporative cooling).

So what's going on? Increased warming is expected because human activities are leading to increases in heat-trapping , mainly carbon dioxide from burning of fossil fuels. And indeed, the global mean surface temperature (GMST) has been rising fairly steadily: every decade after the 1960s was warmer than the one before, and the decade of the 2000s was the warmest on record by far; see figure.

At the same time, it is readily apparent that there is variability in GMST from year to year and decade to decade. This is expected and known to arise largely from internal natural variability. While the rate of surface temperature increase has been mostly upward from about 1920 and the recent rate is not out of step overall, there are two hiatus intervals with much lower rates of temperature increase. The first was from about 1943 to 1975, and the second was from 1999 to 2013.

In a paper entitled Has There Been a Global Warming Hiatus?, I find that natural variability through interactions among the oceans, atmosphere, land and ice can easily mask the upward trend of global temperatures. For climate scientists to improve climate models, better understanding of these variations and their effect on global temperatures is essential.

Hiatus revisited

The warmest year in the 20th century was 1998. However, since then there has been an apparent absence of an increase in GMST from 1998 through 2013. This has become known as the "hiatus." While 2005 and 2010 GMST values slightly exceeded the 1998 value, the trend upwards slowed markedly until 2014, which is now the warmest year on record. Moreover, there are excellent prospects that 2015 will break that record – the past 12 months through June 2015 are indeed the warmest 12 months on record (see figure). It looks like the hiatus is over!

Is the global warming 'hiatus' over?
Seasonal global mean surface temperatures from NOAA, after 1920, relative to the mean of the 20th century. The seasons are defined as December-February, etc. A 20-term Gaussian filter is used to show the decadal variations (heavy black curve). (middle) The seasonal mean Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) anomalies, in units of standard deviation. The positive (pink) and negative (light blue) PDO regimes are indicated throughout the figure. (bottom) Decadal average anomalies (starting 1921-1930) of GMST (green) along with piecewise slopes of GMST for the phases of the PDO (yellow). Credit: Kevin Trenberth/Data from NOAA, Author provided

El Niño and Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO)

A closer look at the events during these hiatus periods sheds light on the role of natural variability on the long-term trend of global warming.

The year 1998 was the warmest on record in the 20th century because there was warming associated with the biggest El Niño on record – the 1997-98 event. Prior to that event, ocean heat that had built up in the tropical western Pacific spread across the Pacific and into the atmosphere, invigorating storms and warming the surface especially through latent heat release, while the ocean cooled from evaporative cooling.

Now, in 2015, another strong El Niño is under way; it began in 2014 and has developed further, and in no small part is responsible for the recent warmth and the pattern of weather around the world: the enhanced tropical storm activity in the Pacific at the expense of the Atlantic, the wetter conditions across the central United States, and cool snowy conditions in New Zealand.

There is also strong decades-scale variability in the Pacific, known in part as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) or Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation (IPO) – the former is Northern Hemisphere focused, but the two are closely related. The positive phase of the PDO pattern, which affects ocean temperatures, is similar to that of El Niño.

The PDO is a major player in these hiatus periods, as has been well-established by observations and models. There are major changes in Pacific tradewinds, sea level pressure, sea level, rainfall and storm locations throughout the Pacific and Pacific rim countries, but also extending into the southern oceans and across the Arctic into the Atlantic.

There is good but incomplete evidence that these changes in winds alter ocean currents, ocean convection and overturning, which leads to changes in the amount of heat being sequestered at greater depths in the ocean during the negative phase of the PDO. The effects are greatest in winter in each hemisphere. The result is that during the positive phase of the PDO, the GMST increases, while during the negative phase it stagnates.

Results suggest that the Earth's total energy imbalance – that is, the growing amount of the sun's incoming energy trapped by greenhouse gases – is largely unchanged with the PDO. But during the positive phase, more heat is deposited in the upper 300 meters of the ocean, where it can influence the GMST. In the negative phase, more heat is dumped below 300 meters, contributing to the overall warming of the oceans, but likely irreversibly mixed and lost to the surface.

Modulating human-induced changes

The internal climate variability can also be modulated by external influences, including the various human influences.

Increased warming from increases in heat-trapping greenhouse gases can be offset by visible pollution (in the form of particles called atmospheric aerosols), which are mostly also a product of fossil fuel combustion. Indeed, from 1945 to 1970 there were increases in pollution in the atmosphere arising from post-World War II industrialization in Europe and North America, especially over the Atlantic, and some volcanic activity that increased aerosols in the stratosphere. However, regulations in developed countries, such as the US Clean Air Act of 1970, brought that era to an end.

Climate model simulations and projections of GMST suggest that the signal of human-induced climate change emerged from the noise of natural climate variability in about the 1970s. Expected rates of change were very much in step with the rate observed from 1975 to 1999, but not the slower rate from 1999 on. (This is another reason to say there has been a hiatus from 2000 to 2013.)

Human-induced climate change is relentless and largely predictable, even though at any time and especially locally it can be masked by natural variability, whether on interannual (El Niño) or decadal time scales. But the predominant driver of the slowdowns in GMST is the PDO. There is speculation now as to whether or not the decadal variability has reversed – going to a positive phase (see figure). With this change and the latest El Niño event, the GMST is taking another step up to a higher level.

The role of natural variability paints a different picture than one of steadily rising global mean temperatures. Indeed, the combination of decadal variability plus a heating trend from increasing greenhouse gases makes the GMST record more like a rising staircase than a monotonic climb.


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Aug 14, 2015
Quite reasonable article, I like it. It is much different to stupid alarmist propaganda articles with simplified predictions and focusing only on CO2 level. The reality is much more complex and there are many factors which influence the climate. Maybe in 50 years we will know much more about all major factors influencing climate, but at the moment we do know only small part of it and it is still very complex thing.

Aug 14, 2015
We cannot afford to wait until it is to late.

Take your caution and use it somewhere else, in science we need action on this.

Aug 14, 2015
"Halfway to Hell? – Alarmists are Growing Desperate in Their Efforts to Influence Public Opinion"
"Using pre-industrial times as the bases for anomalies helps to illustrate something very important to persons new to global warming: climate models do a poor job of simulating past global warming. Why then should those newcomers believe the political-agenda-financed climate-model predictions of future global warming that are based on speculations about yet-to-come emissions of greenhouse gases?"
http://wattsupwit...opinion/

Aug 14, 2015
I wonder why the same folk who needed no proof at all to invade a sovereign nation and mass-murder its citizens, now want absolute proof before we save the Earth?

Aug 14, 2015
I wonder why the same folk who needed no proof at all to invade a sovereign nation and mass-murder its citizens, now want absolute proof before we save the Earth?

This is the same guy that says the US sold nuclear secrets to North Korea and Pakistan. This person will also claim to be a veteran and highly educated. This is also the same person that shits on every thread.

Anyway, this one should be a real storm in a teacup! Lets see who brings up legitimate points, and who falls back on insult and political hate speak!

Aug 14, 2015
Well there's no doubt about it.

Aug 14, 2015
" This is also the same person that shits on every thread."
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Aren't you the same person who said: "Lets see who brings up legitimate points, and who falls back on insult and political hate speak!"?

Please go to a forum which accepts your hateful and pathetic nonsense.

Thank you.

Aug 14, 2015
Almost everything humans do to the earth generates atmospheric heat.
- pavement / rooftops / buildings
- deforestation / biomass loss / desertification
- transportation ( engine heat + GHGs )
- industrial machinery ( engine heat + emissions )
- power generation ( boilers + grid wire losses due to heat + transformers)
- livestock (methane + animal heat * 100B animals)
- humans ( ~100W per human * 7B + waste gases)
- commercial + residential appliances ( climate control / AC)
- agribusiness forest destruction / reconfiguration
- IT computing infrastructure and electronic devices
- waste management

It's a miracle the oceans ain't boiling yet.

Aug 14, 2015
Hardly over.
Learn science instead of politics.

Aug 14, 2015
Hardly over.
Learn science instead of politics.

Aug 14, 2015
I forgot lighting too.

Aug 14, 2015
"Almost everything humans do to the earth generates atmospheric heat."
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Yup. We are Entropy's best friend!

Aug 14, 2015
Here's the actual article from "the Conversation"

http://theconvers...er-45995

And a source referenced in the article:
http://www.scienc...691.full

I'll go over them and feedback over lunch.


Aug 14, 2015
Please go to a forum which accepts your hateful and pathetic nonsense.

Thank you.
George, Here is some of your own hateful and pathetic nonsense;
And you dream of me. You can't help it. Every comment I leave gets under your skin.

You can be played like a cheap kazoo
-in addition to calling everyone who exposes you a goober, and everyone who speaks german a nazi.

And you also consider all who wisely choose to use pseudonyms weak, dishonest, deceptive, cowardly, etc. Which is 99% of the people who post here.

Theyre not reckless enough to expose their families and businesses in a public forum.

You are.

So maybe you want to look for yet another forum where the people have never heard of george kamburoff.

You should be ok for a few months anyways.

Aug 14, 2015
It's incredibly funny that alarmists on this subject told us never to take one or two or three years because that was "weather." As I point out in my blog at https://logiclogi...ificant/ it is the alarmists who now use every 0.02C change they can to sound the alarm and one year of fabricated warming is now "the end of the PDO down phase" when it has always been a 30 year "pause." I say fabricated for a very specific and damning way. 2 satellites show that 2014 was NOT the warmest year ever and that the haitus is well on almost 19 years now. Also, at 0.02C higher than the previous high this is hardly the kind of thing the alarmists told us would be happening.

gkam it is not at all clear why we need any action. To me none of the pseudo-science around the damages from a warming climate make any sense. Even the IPCC admits if warming is under 2C it is beneficial. So why do we need action?

Aug 14, 2015
Gkam: "saving the earth." How will the earth be destroyed by global warming? A higher sea level doesn't affect the "earth" in the slightest. I am sure you are aware the earth has had sea levels 60 feet higher and 400 feet lower and it wasn't destroyed. The idea that disease will spread is ludicrous as is the idea that food supply is endangered. There is no possible way these things could possibly happen and if they ever do it has nothing to do with global warming. Just 5000 years ago we were at the Holocene optimum which was at least as warm as we are talking about for thousand years and people became civilized. This is so overblown it is a form of disease, more like a religious cult than a science.

Aug 14, 2015
When I say "Earth" I mean as we know it, and can survive in it.

And no, it is not a cult. I earned a master of science in this field, and although did not work in it directly, watched since 1980 as all the things we feared would happen began, even faster than originally feared.

I find the reason hidden behind those who deny the climate changes from Anthropomorphic beings is often based on political prejudice, dressed up as something more noble.

Aug 14, 2015
I earned a master of science in this field, and although did not work in it directly

Lie. You never earned an MS as you are a college dropout, which you were clumsy enough to reveal to ira in info you sent directly to him.

Youre no professional and never were, by your own admission.

You have no relevant education, no degree, no EIT-level experience, and no licence to practice as a professional.

Stop lying and pretending and the people here will let you be.

Aug 14, 2015
Can I get some help getting the snipers and character assassins with psychological problems off this forum?

Aug 14, 2015
I earned a master of science in this field

OMG, did I call it, or what!?!?!

btw, has anyone noticed that The Conversation may be a bit left of center?

Oh man, this is golden comedy.

Aug 14, 2015
Can I get some help getting the snipers and character assassins with psychological problems off this forum?


I just have to hop in at this point and say, lol? One has to work really hard to earn the hate of an entire website. Everyone knows all about you to the point of knowing your name, your views, and having saved quotes about how terribad you are at life. Maybe you should consider if you have an issue with that many people, the issue is you?

Aug 14, 2015
" Maybe you should consider if you have an issue with that many people, the issue is you?"
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Oh,stop it. I sent proof to Ira, who chose to ignore and misrepresent it. I used my experience to inform you goobers about how it has worked in real life, not in your world of outsiders.

If you do not appreciate experience or have psychological issues like otto, tough. I will not go away, and will continue to educate you outsiders. Bulllies do not affect me.

Now the issue is the hiatus and how there was no end to the gain of heat, just where it hid. Got anything to say about it?

Aug 14, 2015
Oh,stop it. I sent proof to Ira, who chose to ignore and misrepresent it. I used my experience to inform you goobers
So you think you need to inform us goobers that;

Fallout is the main cause of lung cancer

HIGH ENERGY alpha cannot penetrate skin

Swimming pools are routinely used to provide residential cooling

There was an H2-initiated prompt criticality in dirty molten Pu at fukushima which mustve occured somewhere high above the site because a crater wasnt created

Manure dust is called volatile solids and is a main constituent of pollution in the 'high air' above the central valley

It is ok for george to double the number and intensity of earthquakes in a region on a given day because he has actually experienced them before

And of course, Pu is raining down on idaho

Etcetcetc

-Because your 'experience' gave you the wisdom to make them up???

Us goobers certainly know bullshit when we smell it.

Aug 14, 2015
I sent proof to Ira,

Why would you send anything to a stranger? hahaha oh man, I know I'm supposed to be working, but I don't want to miss any of it!

This, gentle reader, is the face of the AGW crew at phys.org.

hahahaha! oh man! Stop! I can't take it anymore! hahahahaha

Aug 14, 2015
The differences between the temperatures of 2005, 2010, and 2014 are mere hundredths of a degree, so saying 2014 was the warmest year is more of a guess than a certainty. In other words, NASA/GISS won't even say it's a certainty and they make that clear.

Then, you add the fact that all past temperature records have been constantly massaged (usually downward for the past and upward for current), we don't really have a clue. When it was pointed out, some years back, that in reality 1938 was warmer than any current years, James Hansen and the boys of NASA/GISS quickly massaged 1938 so that it was cooler than present. Trenberth is aware of all this, yet he makes none of it part of his discussion. Why not???

Aug 14, 2015
Ok, its good that this is being presented as an opinion piece. 1000 characters isn't enough to show the wrongness and contradiction.

Let's just end with what the article ends with:
Human-induced climate change is relentless and largely predictable

Relentless: No global warming for 18 years, 7 months.

Predictable: The CMIP5 models have been falsified by observation.


Aug 14, 2015
"Why would you send anything to a stranger? hahaha oh man, I know I'm supposed to be working, but I don't want to miss any of it!"
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Once again:
"I came onto this forum thinking it would be populated with professionals, ready to discuss science, theoretical and applied. In those fora, we identify ourselves, and take responsibility for our words and actions. It is called professionalism.

Instead, I found a cabal of chronic malcontents taking snipes at all others with varying opinions from theirs. We have one, admittedly spending his workday playing these games, . . a real professional."

Aug 14, 2015
It's a miracle the oceans ain't boiling yet.


That's because of the IR windows in the atmosphere that allow heat to radiate into space.
No miracle.

Aug 14, 2015
"Why would you send anything to a stranger? hahaha oh man, I know I'm supposed to be working, but I don't want to miss any of it!"
---------------------------------------------

Once again:
"I came onto this forum thinking it would be populated with professionals, ready to discuss science, theoretical and applied. In those fora, we identify ourselves, and take responsibility for our words and actions. It is called professionalism.

Instead, I found a cabal of chronic malcontents taking snipes at all others with varying opinions from theirs. We have one, admittedly spending his workday playing these games, . . a real professional."


Produce something of substance on this article's topic, Mr Professional.

Also, you're an idiot for sending something to a stranger. You deserved to get eviscerated, and you were. take your medicine.

Now...produce something of substance on this article's topic, or go away.

Aug 14, 2015
"Now...produce something of substance on this article's topic, or go away"
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Something like this?
"I know I'm supposed to be working, but I don't want to miss any of it!This, gentle reader, is the face of the AGW crew at phys.org. hahahaha! oh man! Stop! I can't take it anymore! hahahahaha"??

As stated, the hiatus was not real in energy terms. The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Aug 14, 2015
@ gkam
Perhaps the professional people who are here just don't like you.

I just have to hop in at this point and say, lol? One has to work really hard to earn the hate of an entire website. Everyone knows all about you to the point of knowing your name, your views, and having saved quotes about how terribad you are at life. Maybe you should consider if you have an issue with that many people, the issue is you?


Quite a telling quote from a reasonable respected professional person like SciTechDude.

You complain constantly about the people in the comments section, perhaps you should go to the real forums. They could use the enlightenment of your "experience".

https://www.physforum.com/

If you want a list of reasonable, intelligent, posters I could name a few for you.
Why not spend the day reading instead of fighting? Even your magnificent brain could learn something new. Or does the old dog not learn new tricks?

Aug 14, 2015
The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Prove it.

btw, you are an idiot for giving a stranger information. You deserved to be eviscerated, and you were. Take your medicine.

Aug 14, 2015
https://www.physforum.com/

Holy shiite, that forum is out of control! gkam and his crew would be perfect there! LOL

Aug 14, 2015
"Perhaps the professional people who are here just don't like you."
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Two of those "professionals" do this "at work". Another screams filthy words and attacks the character of those who ire him.

The only way to avoid these predators is to mandate they own up to who they are, . . like real professionals.

Until then, this will just be their little game place, and nobody with any ideas or experience will stay.

Aug 14, 2015
The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Prove it.


Aug 14, 2015
@ gkam
Well that leaves only everyone else that has to put up with you.

In case you haven't noticed, this site is set up the same way as most comments and forums on the web.

Saying that "they must own up to who they" are is neither reasonable nor realistic.
It does however, provide a high enough bar for you to rail against your detractors practically constantly.

It may amaze you that "professionals" disagree with you, and and differ in the way they react to your hysterical style of posting. It is their right to post whatever they want, whenever they want, within the rules of the comments section.

Did you confuse this with a forum?
Ever keep count of the people that comment negatively about you? It is quite telling.

Aug 14, 2015
only way to avoid these predators is to mandate they own up to who they are
But we KNOW who you are and we know that youre not a professional and never were. You lack a fundamental educational backround, and of course a degree and related experience.

Calling yourself a pro is not the same as actually being one, yes? But then this is only one more fact you think you are entitled to make up.
like real professionals
Most of the real professionals here choose to post anonymously.

They know enough to know that only idiots would make outrageous claims on the basis of their name alone. They know enough to reference what they post.

IOW only a posturing amateur would think that his name would be enough to justify the facts he posts.

Your name is worthless here.

Youve trashed it beyond repair.

And you must understand that the very fact that you continue to beat this dead horse in thread after thread, means that you are INSANE.

You do realize this dont you?

Aug 14, 2015
The only way to avoid these predators is to mandate they own up to who they are
-And let me again point out the obvious... A forum full of people using their real names would STILL be exposing your infantile lies and your sickness.

What makes you think this would change?

Are you saying that the potential for you to threaten them and their families would somehow make the bullshit you post any less WRONG?

Aug 14, 2015
The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Prove it.


Aug 14, 2015
Oh,stop it. I sent proof to Ira, who chose to ignore and misrepresent it.


When you call me the liar get ready to feel foolish Cher.

You did not send me proof of anything more than you won a prize while you were a airman. One of 12 for the year, so if you figure most peoples stay in the air forces for at least 4 years, then you were one of a couple of hundreds to get that prize

If you are ready for it, get ready to be embarrassed for lies, again. How times is that so far today?


Aug 14, 2015
The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Prove it.


Aug 14, 2015
P.S. for you glam-Skippy.

@ Everybody, I did not tell no lies about glam-Skippy's proofs. This is what he sent me to prove he was six different kinds of engineer with master degrees and junior degrees and generalist degrees and what not.

Kamburoff Named Center Airman Of The Month

With three years of college and 32 weeks of tech school, the October Air Force Flight Test Center Airman of the Month, George Kaburoff seems like a nature for the airborne radio field.
A member of the 6515th Communications and Electronics Squadron at Edwards, Airman Second Class Kamburoff's work includes service of all types of aircraft radio, telephone and other communications equipment including installation, modifacation and repair of these systems.
A graduate of Chowchilla Union HIgh School in Chowcilla Calif., he has accumulated approximately 30 college credits at Foothill College, Fresno City, and Fresno State Colleges.

Aug 14, 2015
This a P.S. to get some more of it in, the letter budgeting thing won't let me put it all in at one time.

Active in extra curricular activities while in school, Airman Kamburoff participated in band and newspaper work both in high school and college. He was also on the track team and yearbook staff while in high school.
Entering the Air Force in June of 1965, he took a 32 - week tech school course in airborn radio at Keesler AFB, Miss., before coming to Edwards. Interested in making the service his career, he would like to complete his degree requirements through the Airman Education and Commissioning Program with a major in physics.


Another P..S. is coming because I want to get the whole thing in so glam-Skippy can't say I was not representing it right.

Aug 14, 2015
Another P.S. to get some more in. But this is exactly what the newsletter says and I typed him out exactly word for word even the bad spelling and punction symbol things.

In winning the Airman of the Month award, Airman Kamburoff met two boards who judged him on various characteristics of an outstanding airman. As a result of his selection he will receive a $25 gift certificate and a "royal weekend" in Bakersfield, the latter courtesty of that cities Chamber of Commerce. Included in this weekend will be free motel accommodations and the use of a new car.
He will also be the guest of the Lancaster Rotary Club for dinner as well as the recipient of a gift certificate from that organization.
Airman Kamburoff is the son of Mr. and Mrs. John A. amburoff of 1541 Hoover Drive, Chowchilla, Calif.


One more P.S. ought to do it,

Aug 14, 2015
Last P.S. is for you glam-Skippy.

The words spelled wrong are not mine, they are exactly like in the news letter.

So glam-Skippy. Why you keep this silly looking paper for professional proofs but you can not send a picture of your degrees or diploma. Mrs-Ira-Skippy was right, those are the things a normal person hangs on to, if they are not lies that is.

Why you can not even name the schools you got them it like Mrs-Ira-Skippy says anybody could do?

Now what did I tell wrong? It says exactly what I said it says. Not no more, not no less.

You were supposed to send proofs that you were six different kinds of engineers and the expert at seven different kinds of generalist genuses. This does not prove any of the things you said. Nothing.

It is smoke and mirrors and makes it looks as if you think me in particular and the rest of the Skippys here in general are really, really stupid.

Aug 14, 2015
Another last P.S. for you glam-Skippy who thinks he can out fox a coonass with his double talking and stalking horsing.

How does this prove you got the master degree in anything? How does this prove you got junior degree in anything? How does this prove you are the engineer in anything?

What this does prove is that you lied about me telling what the newsletter said wrong. It says exactly what I said it says. And it proves that you were stupid enough to tell the lie about me thinking I didn't know how to type it out for everybody. And it proves also I know how to types a little, it took me about 30 minutes to type him out.

Aug 14, 2015
http://ossfoundat...-climate

http://nsstc.uah...._bar.png

Ummmm...the warming anomaly isn't even 30 years old yet..and a real climate observation should be multiple 30 year cycles to be sure.

So far CO2 is the only thing that is reasonably far higher than background levels would be. The heating is not clearly connected in any direct fashion at all.

Aug 14, 2015
A "Royal Weekend" in Bakersfield? wtf is that? So many jokes about warm, bad vodka and toothless whores come to mind...hahahah

Oh man, this is golden!

I'm gonna show this all to my kid. Never, ever, tell the internet you're something you ain't!

The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.


Prove it.

Aug 14, 2015
Thanks ira.

Hmmm. Band and telephony... perhaps this is he?
https://youtu.be/4qoymGCDYzU

EWH
Aug 15, 2015
Global warming hiatus: there never was such a thing, and anyway, it's stopped.

Aug 15, 2015
Human-induced climate change is relentless and largely predictable

Relentless: No global warming for 18 years, 7 months.

I think it's now the fourth time that I offer this bet here: I bet you 1000$US that the average temperature of 2015-2032 will be higher than that of the years 1997-2014. Money to go into an escrow account to which only the winner will have access once the time is up. So far, the people who proclaim so much confidence that there is no warming have failed to take me up on the offer.

Aug 15, 2015
I think it's now the fourth time that I offer this bet here: I bet you 1000$US that the average temperature of 2015-2032 will be higher than that of the years 1997-2014.

Anyone that would bet on the climate future is a fool.

So far, the people who proclaim so much confidence that there is no warming

There is no debate that the climate is changing. The debate is why.

There has been no warming for 18 years 7 months. If you're confident in your prediction for the future, would you help us with understanding the present?


Aug 15, 2015
"There has been no warming for 18 years 7 months."
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Look up the Ten Hottest Years in history, and get back to us.

Then sit down and be quiet in your embarrassment.


Aug 15, 2015
Then sit down and be quiet in your embarrassment.

You still haven't learned your lesson about being an ass, huh? Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

Here you go; RSS satellite monthly global mean surface temperature anomaly data set starting January 1997:
https://wattsupwi...0023.jpg

And another:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

As one can see, there is actually cooling.


Aug 15, 2015
Just for fun, let's take a look at the last 10 years:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

Rut Roh!

Aug 15, 2015
Oh btw,

The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Prove it.

Aug 15, 2015
"Is the global warming 'hiatus' over?"
Of course the answer is NO. There has never been a 'haitus', as such it cannot be 'over'.
I know that these facts threaten the delusionary sanity of a significant minority of humans. You see a number of them posting here. Their delusions are fragile, and therefore require vigorous defence.
There is no value presenting facts to psychotic such as these. When a person's 'sanity', such as it is, is threatened, the psycho will vigorously defend his delusion in the face of any facts, overwhelming or otherwise. To the psycho, it is a life or death struggle. You will kill him before you can dismantle his delusion.
There simply is no future in this sort of effort. The best approach is to prevent other weak minded people from buying into a comforting delusion, and swelling the ranks of the psychotics.

Aug 15, 2015
Woodfortrees is a political blog, not science. Let's look at studies, peer-reviewed.


Aug 15, 2015
"The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily."

Prove it.
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Neither one of us can "prove" our points. Does that mean we should do nothing?

Aug 15, 2015
Neither one of us can "prove" our points. Does that mean we should do nothing?

Actually, I do believe I can prove my point:

Anthropogenically caused climate change has not been proven to the extent that justifies societal policies that result in economic ruin and morally corrupt group-think.

No-one argues against a clean planet. We are best off when the decisions are being made wisely, a-politically, and without grift.

Woodfortrees is a political blog, not science.

Wrong. It is a site that provides tools for analysis and graphing.

Let's look at studies, peer-reviewed.

Ok. Be ready to summarize passages in your own words, and to also be exposed to actual observations. So, go. Let's see what ya got in mind.

I know that these facts threaten the delusionary sanity of a significant minority of humans.

Diatribes are not convincing.

Aug 15, 2015
Nobody is trying to "convince" you of anything. You are just an anonymous texter on the internet. We are just bringing up the fallacies of your arguments for others to consider.

Aug 15, 2015
Nobody is trying to "convince" you of anything. You are just an anonymous texter on the internet. We are just bringing up the fallacies of your arguments for others to consider.

You still haven't learned your lesson about being an ass, have you? Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

You have not once posited a single thing that supports your position in articles such as these, nor have you made any attempt at logical refutation. Every time you are challenged per your alleged position, you retreat into vitriol. I think it is because you lack the courage of being required to produce proof, and you fear the discovery of facts that will challenge your intellectual honesty. Being a college drop-out, you've also learned that you can't see anything through.

You fail at article discussion.

Luckily, there are some AGW guys that do post things that are worth considering, and I learn from them.

The facts do not lie. There has been no global warming for 18 years, 7 months.

Aug 15, 2015
"You still haven't learned your lesson about being an ass, have you? Liberalism truly is a mental disorder."
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Did you have no parents?

I asked you to look up the ten hottest years in history and you retreat to the same old boilerplate nonsense, like Willie.

http://www.climat...globally

http://www.natura...-record/

https://en.wikipe...e_record

To quote a screamer: "The facts do not lie."

Aug 15, 2015
The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.

Prove it.

Aug 15, 2015
Disprove it.

Get those ten hottest years in all of history?

Aug 15, 2015
The facts do not lie. There has been no global warming for 18 years, 7 months.


Well, this is simply not a fact.

It is important to know exactly what you are talking about. And what you seem to be talking about is the mean global air and sea surface temperature anomaly. While this is our best method for describing our measure of global warming, it is not global warming.

Aug 15, 2015
Let's start with this one:
http://www.climat...globally

Then, we'll pass the bar graph and go to the globe picture. See how its labeled "Percentiles"?

Let's take a look at actual degrees:
https://wattsupwi...1505.gif

Doh.

Second:
http://www.natura...-record/

No source reference. Fail.

Third:
https://en.wikipe...e_record

Not sure what this is supposed to prove. We all know the Earth goes through cyclic fluctuations, yes? Also take a look at the last 18 years of the wiki graph; apropos to the article, no increase is seen.

In terms of the predictions that increasing output of C02 would result in more and more warming (and adherence to the topic of the article), there is failure. There has been no warming for the last 18 years 7 months.

Aug 15, 2015
It is important to know exactly what you are talking about.

RSS MSU lower tropic global mean.

While this is our best method for describing our measure of global warming, it is not global warming.
Ya lost me.

Aug 15, 2015
Disprove it.

Get those ten hottest years in all of history?

Make an assertion, don't prove it.

Fail.

Aug 15, 2015
Prove it.


Do you understand hypothesis testing, the null hypothesis and multivariate regression? These are basic concepts and tools in science and lacking a firm understanding of them means that you can't understand a proof.

This forum comment format is also lacking in terms of presenting the information necessary for a proof.

Suffice it to say that the global mean air and sea surface temperature increases by about .01 degree C for every ppm-v CO2. CO2 is, of course, not the only factor that affects the GMTA. It is also affected by other GHGs, solar irradiance (TSI), ocean heat exchange, aerosols, volcanic ash, and a host of other physical factors. When all of these are accounted for, is unequivocal that anthropogenic global warming is a fact and predominantly driven by CO2 released from the burning of fossil fuels.

What makes you believe you can understand scientific evidence and the proofs of conclusions drawn from that evidence?

Aug 15, 2015
Ten Hottest years in all of histroy?

No:
https://en.wikipe...ange.png

See how the temperature goes up and down over time periods that humans can only barely fathom?

Anthropocentrism: give a monkey a brain, and he'll swear he's the center of the universe.

Aug 15, 2015
Do you understand hypothesis testing, the null hypothesis and multivariate regression?

Yes.

When all of these are accounted for, is unequivocal that anthropogenic global warming is a fact and predominantly driven by CO2 released from the burning of fossil fuels.

This is disputed, and is not being proven by observation.

What makes you believe you can understand scientific evidence and the proofs of conclusions drawn from that evidence?

Observation.


Aug 15, 2015
Also take a look at the last 18 years of the wiki graph; apropos to the article, no increase is seen.


https://en.wikipe...e_record

Yes it shows an increase. Look at the last data point. It is higher than every data point that precedes it. It is higher than 2009 which is higher than 2007.

If you want to use the five year running mean, the last point on that is greater than every point that precedes it.

The 5 year running mean, though, is a convenient way of simplifying the data, but in no way is it technically precise.

If you want to be scientifically precise, you are going to have to use a better method, like OLS or linear regression. And if you are sufficiently motivated, you are going to have to account for all of the appropriate data analysis techniques. Otherwise, you are simply doing what you've always done, cherry picked.

Once you begin analyzing the data correctly, you have to account for all the data

Aug 15, 2015
Observation of what? Yourself in the mirror?

Because so far, you've demonstrated nothing to indicate even a modicum of basic knowledge or skill in physics and the sciences in general.

Aug 15, 2015
If you want to be scientifically precise, you are going to have to use a better method

Lets go straight to the source:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

Otherwise, you are simply doing what you've always done, cherry picked.

Actually, its a calculation. Starting in 1996 shows a slight warming trend.

you have to account for all the data

Help me.

Observation of what? Yourself in the mirror?

Uh oh, you're breaking down.

Because so far, you've demonstrated nothing to indicate even a modicum of basic knowledge or skill in physics and the sciences in general.

Oh boy, here we go again. Can't stand up to the observations, so vitriol ensues. Guys...why?

Aug 15, 2015
If you want to be scientifically precise, you are going to have to use a better method

Lets go straight to the source:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

Otherwise, you are simply doing what you've always done, cherry picked.

Actually, its a calculation. Starting in 1996 shows a slight warming trend.

you have to account for all the data

Help me.

Observation of what? Yourself in the mirror?

Uh oh, you're breaking down.

Because so far, you've demonstrated nothing to indicate even a modicum of basic knowledge or skill in physics and the sciences in general.

Oh boy, here we go again. Can't stand up to the observations, so vitriol ensues. Guys...why?

Aug 15, 2015
Do you understand hypothesis testing, the null hypothesis and multivariate regression?

Yes.


Well, obviously not.

But, by all means, do show otherwise by describing the Central Limit Theorem , how to determine the variability of the mean for a sample, how the coefficients of regression are dependent of the sample size for a simple linear regression and what this means for the confidence interval of a linear regression.

Then you can explain why the standard global mean temperature anomaly graph, while generally nice in getting an overall sense of the trend, is insufficient to prove anything.

Aug 15, 2015
Do you understand hypothesis testing, the null hypothesis and multivariate regression?

Yes.


Well, obviously not.

But, by all means, do show otherwise by describing the Central Limit Theorem , how to determine the variability of the mean for a sample, how the coefficients of regression are dependent of the sample size for a simple linear regression and what this means for the confidence interval of a linear regression.

Then you can explain why the standard global mean temperature anomaly graph, while generally nice in getting an overall sense of the trend, is insufficient to prove anything.


@ fritz-Skippy. How you are? Me? Yeah I am fine, thanks for asking.

You sure do write postums that sound exactly like another Skippy who hangs around here. The same one-liner insults, with a challenge containing some buzzy words that drift away from the topic at hand.

Welcome aboard Cher. And try to be a little bit more subtle with your routine.

Aug 15, 2015
I do wonder about most people's ability to understand even the simplest mathematics. For instance, it should be obvious to everyone that in order to get 2.5C by 2100 (assuming you count the 0.5C in the early part of the 20th century which cannot possibly be related to mans CO2 since we didn't put very much in during that time) you need 1.5C in the next 85 years. That is roughly 0.2C/decade for all 8.5 decades without pause. The average rate of warming for the last 70 years is 0.1C/decade. So, in order for the IPCC and the CAGW to be right would require a sudden END to the pause. Would require a massive increase in the rate of temperature increase and a sustained un-paused increasing temperature without pesky "natural variability" getting in the way. It would need to do this on a measly additional 150ppm of CO2 when we know that the additional CO2 will have LESS effect than the 1C (half of which is not possibly attributable to man anyway.)

Aug 15, 2015
This is why the pause is so devastating. It is not just that it is "odd" because they said 15 or 20 years of no temperature gain was a less than 1% chance of happening but because it leaves NO TIME for them to recover to meet the estimates. There is no way to catch up without invoking religious argument. There is no scientifically rational, no model that will show from today how you get 2.5C from the 300ppm of CO2 we will put in even if you count the 0.5C that isn't because of CO2 because it happened before man put CO2 into the atmosphere in quantity. If you don't count that then the problem is even more insane. They need 2C in 85 years or nearly 0.3C / decade or 3 times the rate of the 1975-2000 time period sustained for 85 years without stopping. If there are more PDOs which clearly there will be then during the periods when in +PDO you will need 0.6C/decade or more each decade than seen in the last 70+ years every decade for 85 years. Do you see this is insane religous.

Aug 15, 2015
Because john cannot understand it, it MUST be religion?

I think not.

Aug 15, 2015
Well, obviously not.

But, by all means, do show otherwise by describing the Central Limit Theorem , how to determine the variability of the mean for a sample, how the coefficients of regression are dependent of the sample size for a simple linear regression and what this means for the confidence interval of a linear regression.

Then you can explain why the standard global mean temperature anomaly graph, while generally nice in getting an overall sense of the trend, is insufficient to prove anything.

Word salad will not save you from observation.

http://woodfortre...15/trend

Aug 15, 2015
Because john cannot understand it, it MUST be religion?

I think not.

The heat was just hidden in marine depths temporarily.


Prove it.

Aug 15, 2015
The folk who tell you about global climate change are professional scientists, not your amateur politicians. There are not your own folk who screamed "WMD!" at us until they SCARED all the goobers into sending our sons and daughters to become killers.

But if you want to start with the torturers, let's do it.

Aug 15, 2015
The folk who tell you about global climate change are professional scientists, not your amateur politicians. There are not your own folk who screamed "WMD!" at us until they SCARED all the goobers into sending our sons and daughters to become killers.

But if you want to start with the torturers, let's do it.

This is the same person that says the US sold nuclear secrets to North Korea and Pakistan, and also lies about their education, and military service. Clearly a person that hates the US and all it stands for.

Observations cannot be escaped. Despite predictions by professional scientists, the Earth does what it wants. At the moment, we are in a cooling trend, and have been for 18 years:

http://woodfortre...15/trend

Notice the AGW argument: Invective language
Notice the skeptic argument:

Aug 15, 2015
The skeptics offer data.

It is not hard to judge credibility by the actions of the judged.

Let's look at how successful the professional scientists have been predicting what the world's temperatures will be:

http://www.drroys...2013.png

Another horror story they give us is polar ice going away. Let's see what polar ice does:
http://arctic.atm...rend.jpg

It goes up and down. The alarmists would show us short-term, and make us think it is bad. Take a look at long term, and suddenly one realizes; the temporal eras that man thinks he underestands are inredibly short compared to the Earth's life cycles.

Aug 15, 2015
Once again, denglish I did not say we sold secrets to anybody, but revealed to you and the others in ignorance of how AQ Khan got the bomb in the Reagan/Bush years, and even got Krytrons from Texas. We could have stopped him.

If you are to be taken seriously, you have to be more honest regarding your silly attacks.

Aug 15, 2015
If you are to be taken seriously, you have to be more honest regarding your silly attacks.

This is the same person that says the US sold nuclear secrets to North Korea and Pakistan, and also lies about their education, and military service. Clearly a person that hates the US and all it stands for.

This person's hatred for America cannot hide the facts. Observation of global temperatures over the last 18 years 7 months shows that the predictions made by the doomsayers were false:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

This is really too easy. C'mon George, make an effort. At least runrig and leetenant have the guts to produce something. Heck, even your buddy Stumpy did...until it was revealed he couldn't read an academic paper.


Aug 15, 2015
It won't be nuke power that will save us. A few days ago, the Japanese Prime Minister, right-wing Abe, re-started a nuke plant against the wishes of the population.

Today, the local volcano is making that decision look just like the kind it is.

Aug 15, 2015
It won't be nuke power that will save us. A few days ago, the Japanese Prime Minister, right-wing Abe, re-started a nuke plant against the wishes of the population.

Today, the local volcano is making that decision look just like the kind it is.

Wrong thread, moron.

Aug 15, 2015
"Wrong thread, moron."

Okay, . . It won't be nuke power that will save us from Climate Change.

I guess we have to spell it out completely for some folk.

Aug 15, 2015
"The polar bears will be fine" - Freeman Dyson

Aug 16, 2015
"Wrong thread, moron."

Okay, . . It won't be nuke power that will save us from Climate Change.

I guess we have to spell it out completely for some folk.

Wrong thread, moron. This thread is about an article that is trying to convince people that there is no hiatus, not alternative energy.

If there was no hiatus, why would it need to be addressed in the first place?

Here's why: the climate models that have produced so much chaos are falsified. The only hope the dying AGW cause has is to keep the plebs terrorized.

Aug 16, 2015
"The only hope the dying AGW cause has is to keep the plebs terrorized."
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You have it backwards. We are already ridding ourselves of the dirty technologies responsible for AGW. PV and wind have blown fossil fuels completely away economically.


Aug 16, 2015
You have it backwards. We are already ridding ourselves of the dirty technologies responsible for AGW. PV and wind have blown fossil fuels completely away economically.

Wrong thread, moron. This thread is about an article claiming no hiatus. If there's no hiatus, then why speak of it?

Anyway, the observations cannot lie

PV and wind have blown fossil fuels completely away economically.

Wrong. The gentle reader will find lots of evidence for that here:
http://www.eia.go...subsidy/

George, you have a math problem waiting for you in the correct alternative energy thread. Ratio of benefit vs investment. Go.


Aug 16, 2015
gkam - it's called science. When there is no DATA to back up a massive change of the sort you and your ilk are suggesting based on your "theory" which is solid, certain. It sounds like religion. That is what we call miracles. Sudden unexpected events with no existing data to back it is a miracle. You guys are expecting a sudden massive acceleration of temperatures for which there is no basis given that pouring in 57% of all CO2 we've ever poured in has caused NO CHANGE how or why would anyone believe scientifically speaking that suddenly we will have a massive change in behavior? Only the true believers. Christ is coming. I believe. Bla bla bla. My models are perfect. It's the data that is wrong. Christ is here. Look at a graph. It's not reasonable for anyone of intelligence to believe it. This is NOT SCIENCE.

Aug 16, 2015
Did you look up the ten hottest years in history?

What are they?

John, it is not my theory. My opinion comes from earning a degree in the topic and following it closely for the past 35 years since. I have watched as all the things we were concerned about got much worse even faster than we thought.

I have no Absolute Truth, and neither do you. But the trends look scary.

Aug 16, 2015
gkam: I know that the country and world will move away from fossil fuels for many reasons none of which is global warming. We will do it when it is economically reasonable. No country or people will commit economic suicide over fabricated fantasy models that are failing. Solar, Wind and even nuclear fission and fusion are cleaner (less deadly) more sustainable sources that are getting economically cheaper every day as technology advances. It is inevitable whether or not any global warming happens or doesn't. Don't try to say you saved the world because of global warming. We will never put 1000ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere or even another 500ppm. Within decades we will have cheaper forms of energy that we will move to simply because they make more sense and are cheaper and safer. Fossil fuels kills millions. They are dirty and there are many negatives but global warming is the least of those concerns.

Aug 16, 2015
" Don't try to say you saved the world because of global warming."
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You have nothing to say about what I speak. Take your silly assertions to someone else.

I told you of my opinion, you gave me yours. We will not agree.

Aug 16, 2015
My opinion comes from earning a degree in the topic and following it closely for the past 35 years since.


Oh boy here we go again. For a genus with master degrees and junior degrees and being six different kinds of engineer you sure have trouble learning from your mistakes.

I have no Absolute Truth,


That might be the only time you have told the truth, whole truth and nothing but the absolute truth since you been here.

Aug 16, 2015
I am not taking technical advice from some goober who grows grapes on his pergola, so he can walk around in that stuff, and drag it into the house.

Aug 16, 2015
Did you look up the ten hottest years in history?

Not even close to the hottest years in history. Earth has been much hotter in its past.

Also, given the well-know fact that Earth experiences cyclic ups and downs, thus, the next question is: "So What?"

But the trends look scary.

Not really. Over the last 18 years 7 months, there has actually been a cooling trend.

Also, how did the issue become so politicized?

It comes down to big government and social justice. Only big government can save us from ourselves, and successful economies/people are evil. Both of these are antithesis to the prosperity of the common person.

My opinion comes from earning a degree in the topic and following it closely for the past 35 years since.

If you have a degree, why couldn't you produce a cost/benefit analysis equation in the other thread? Either you are a liar about your education, or intellectually dishonest.


Aug 16, 2015
"If you have a degree, why couldn't you produce a cost/benefit analysis equation in the other thread? Either you are a liar about your education, or intellectually dishonest."
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It is your game, . . you do it, and show us, so we can pick it apart.

I love the way these sideliners think they are more intelligent than the engineers actually doing the work and building the systems.


Aug 16, 2015
It is your game, . . you do it, and show us, so we can pick it apart.

I love the way these sideliners think they are more intelligent than the engineers actually doing the work and building the systems.

Its up. Start picking.

Its good to see you making progress. It no longer you doing the work, its others. We're all very happy for you. I know, here come the lies about how great you are.

Its up. Start picking.

Aug 16, 2015
I'm still not able to understand why the global warming issue is so emotional. It should be a simple matter of looking at data and interpretations of data. Also, how did the issue become so politicized? Why is it even politicized?


Money.

Enron's Ken Lay lobbied GHW Bush to attend Rio and pass the Kyoto treaty so Enron could get into the carbon credit business.
The letters written by Lay to Bush are in the Bush library archives and available for study.

It had to become political as only govt had the power for force people to buy and sell carbon.
And then the 'intellectuals; and enviro-nuts were bribed with grants and nice trips to UN conferernces sponsored by IPCC.

Aug 16, 2015
It's over.

http://www.attn.c...e-change

A heat wave? In the summer? In a desert?

STOP THE PRESSES!

btw, lovely web site you referenced. Other stories worth your attention:
Here's Why Straight Men Have Sex With Each Other and How They Justify It

How's that working out for you?

Aug 16, 2015
Did you read the story, or were you too SCARED?

When you run out of snark, you will still have to face what fossil fuels have done to the environment.


Aug 16, 2015
I read the story when it was new; you do know that this is at least two weeks old, yes?

ou will still have to face what fossil fuels have done to the environment.

What have they done? Show us. You're really good at telling, but fail completely when it comes to showing. Why is that? Nothing to show?

btw, how does a straight man rationalize gay sex? hahahahahaha Oh man, you are a one-of-a-kind piece of work!

Aug 16, 2015
When you run out of snark,


YOU will still be the strutting boasting bragging blowhard that thinks he is smart enough to fool everybody into thinking he is special for doing all things he has never done.

You and Sarah Palin should get together and do a roadshow together. Boy that would be the hooyeei BIG FUN to watch. I sure wish you would switch sides because you are not helping us progressive sided Skippys.

Aug 16, 2015
"btw, how does a straight man rationalize gay sex? hahahahahaha Oh man, you are a one-of-a-kind piece of work!"
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This thread regards AGW. Is this your post for that topic? Do you ever wonder why you cannot be taken seriously?

Aug 16, 2015
"YOU will still be the strutting boasting bragging blowhard that thinks he is smart enough to fool everybody into thinking he is special for doing all things he has never done."
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Wow, that really got to Ira. He challenged me to prove I was really in the Air Force, and I just had gotten from the Air Force Flight Test Center a pdf of the base newspaper with my name and picture on it, so I sent it to Ira. Big mistake: Those anonymous guys here lie to each other so often, they thought I was one of the same.

Since then, otto and Ira follow me around taking shots. It's hilarious. Next, I may send Ira a copy of one of my performance reports.

Maybe not, . . .it could kill him.

Aug 16, 2015
Do you ever wonder why you cannot be taken seriously?

I think its because I link ridiculous websites, make up foolish lies, get outed on the internet, tell people, but never show people, and generally being an ass.

Next, I may send Ira a copy of one of my performance reports.

Symptom of pathological lying:
The stories told tend toward presenting the liar favorably. The liar "decorates their own person" by telling stories that present them as the hero or the victim.

Aug 16, 2015
Symptom of intellectual inability: Personal attacks.

Aug 16, 2015
I'm still not able to understand why the global warming issue is so emotional. It should be a simple matter of looking at data and interpretations of data. Also, how did the issue become so politicized? Why is it even politicized?


Earlier I said money, but it really boils down to socialism, the power to control the lives of others.
Enron just wanted the money and like all rent seekers preferred to have business handed to them by the govt rather than competing.
We see this today with the 'green' rent seekers lobbying to have money thrown their way to 'save the planet'.
But the true believers are mostly interested in the power. The power to use state violence to make you live the way they want you to live.
Threaten the power and they become very upset.

Aug 16, 2015
Symptom of intellectual inability: Personal attacks.


you will still have to face what fossil fuels have done to the environment.

Show us some intellectual ability George. Show, don't tell.

And please, no more bi-curious websites.

Aug 16, 2015
Ryggy thinks he is independent, yet he uses our roads and the internet, built by socialists working for Big Brother.

Aug 16, 2015
that really got to Ira.


Well you are the BIG FUN Cher.

He challenged me to prove I was really in the Air Force


Add him in with all your other lies. All it does make them stand out more. I challenged you to prove you had masters degrees and junior degrees and six different kinds of engineers. Being in the Air Force does not prove any of those things.

and I just had gotten from the Air Force Flight Test Center a pdf of the base newspaper with my name and picture on it, so I sent it to Ira.


It said you were the college drop out. And went to three different colleges before you decided to hang it up.

Big mistake


Yes siree Cher it was. Under estimating me and over estimating you was the very BIG MISTAKE.

I may send Ira a copy of one of my performance reports


Don't trouble we all seen your performances here, we don't need more proof than that. If you had him, you would have already send him instead of the lame not proof proofs

Aug 16, 2015
Ryggy thinks he is independent, yet he uses our roads and the internet, built by socialists working for Big Brother.

Its called a Republic, moron.

Aug 16, 2015
It is Big Brother when it puts special operatives to fool the People into a war for oil and "greatness" .

Ask me about that word.

Aug 16, 2015
It is Big Brother when it puts special operatives to fool the People into a war for oil and "greatness" .

Ask me about that word.

Tell us how you're highly educated and a war veteran...to the point that you can't even perform simple operational analysis, nor stand up to the results.

Your political hate-speak won't hide the fact that the climate predictions have failed; failed to the point that POS "Opinion Pieces" are the only thing left for the left. Disproving something that doesn't exist...nope none of us will notice that!

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Aug 16, 2015
gkam - there is no future or value in arguing with psychos. It's a complete waste of time. The psycho will never see the reality of his delusion. The condition is terminal - in that it will not go away until the psycho dies. Eventually that will happen, and the average global IQ experiences an uptick.

Aug 16, 2015
The shame of it all is that there are so any psychos that are convinced that they have scientific interests. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Deluded psychotics have no interest in anything other than defending and bolstering their fragile delusions. Comment posted on articles on this site demonstrate this quite clearly.

Aug 16, 2015
Deluded psychotics have no interest in anything other than defending and bolstering their fragile delusions.

Diatribes and referencing to bi-curious websites are not convincing.

Observations are convincing. No global warming for the last 18 years, 7 months:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

This sham that "hiatus is dis-proven, but read this article about there being no hiatus, and the hiatus is over" died on the vine; whether you like it or not.


Aug 16, 2015
Ryggy thinks he is independent, yet he uses our roads and the internet, built by socialists working for Big Brother.

Its called a Republic, moron.


Roads were first built in the USA were privately funded.

Anyone who uses roads PAYS to use those roads with taxes on fuel and tires, and maybe tolls.

Aug 16, 2015

Roads were first built in the USA were privately funded.

"Prior to the 1790s Americans had no direct experience with private turnpikes; roads were built, financed and managed mainly by town governments. Typically, townships compelled a road labor tax. The State of New York, for example, assessed eligible males a minimum of three days of roadwork under penalty of fine of one dollar. The labor requirement could be avoided if the worker paid a fee of 62.5 cents a day."
http://eh.net/enc...america/

The first legislation also required each man in the colony to work on the roads a given number of days each year, a custom dating at least from the feudal period of the Middle Ages in England, or to pay another to work in his place. This labor law, to remain in effect for more than 250 years, provided the main source of workers for road and bridge construction."
http://www.loudou...tion.htm

Aug 16, 2015
You don't like the UAH record then?

http://woodfortre...15/trend

Now why would that be?

Aug 16, 2015
peer-reviewed != pal-reviewed
Climate science
climate scientists conduct biased research with the goal of confirming the human-caused global warming theory
http://www.forbes...science/

Aug 16, 2015
You don't like the UAH record then?

http://woodfortre...15/trend

Now why would that be?

It doesn't matter if I like it or don't, its what the reading is.

Let's take it one step further. Whats the mean between the two trends?

Aug 16, 2015
denglish:
Just thought I'd tell you that you are now on my ignore list and I will only respond when you are quoted by others in refutation - as indeed you indeed need to be.
I don't respond to deniers who repeat the same ignorant bollocks, especially those such as you that bombard threads with it.
This is a science site and I've done with your ilk after being on here many years. I realise that your opinion on here matters not a jot to those who do the science and your arguments are laughable to those that understand it.

Oh, and thanks for the reply to follow, even though I shall not read it.

Aug 16, 2015
Donglish: Deluded psychotics have no interest in anything other than defending and bolstering their fragile delusions.

Diatribes and referencing to bi-curious websites are not convincing.

Observations are convincing.....

safe to say that the only thing this clown proved is that he's a moron, yet Again (as always) and by the looks of things over the year, him being the frisky little baboon he is, got the beeper stuck on his little donglish, soon as a climate topic pops up the beeper goes off, he's on it like flies on fresh dung, with no other life than to express his utter stupidity on this site... well done monkey, one day you'll get the dung reward of dumbness for your years of effort Go and get it.. :D People siding with oil have no respect for the earth and it's inhabitants.

Aug 16, 2015
"Overall, the impact of toll roads on Connecticut during the 19th century was a positive one. These privately constructed highways provided for the surge of overland travel, including regular stagecoach service, and made possible the growth of trade and commerce within Connecticut and beyond. At a crucial point in the state's history, with no assistance from state or national government, merchants, bankers, and other local businessmen took the risk necessary to provide the highways along which Connecticut commerce could thrive. And because many turnpike investors were businessmen in their communities, those who did not profit directly from their financial investment very probably benefited through the trade and business opportunities that their turnpikes made possible. - See more at: http://connecticu...wEZ.dpuf

Aug 16, 2015
Once with vote will decide whether changing of the Earth's climate is due to human business activity, then science did not manage to answer this question sucsesfully.

Aug 16, 2015
viko_mx claims
Once with vote will decide whether changing of the Earth's climate is due to human business activity, then science did not manage to answer this question sucsesfully
Your religion's ideology & claims don't cut it, not helped by your insisting on ignoring earnest advice to get an education in the key essentials of radiative heat transfer - which is the basis for our dilemma re CO2

ie Please viko_mx learn basic Physics & do not look appear so badly uneducated & foolish
https://en.wikipe...transfer
https://en.wikipe..._forcing

And of course the fundamentals of our understanding of heat & why it is so easy to deal with it
https://en.wikipe...echanics

ie Learn Physics !

Or maybe viko_mx you can tell us how reliable is the communication of your deity and why its treatment of its primary creation is exactly consistent with a devil ?

Why the hell are you here, your uneducated jibes are stupid ?

Aug 16, 2015
WillieWard FAILS in his uneducated claim
peer-reviewed != pal-reviewed
Climate science
climate scientists conduct biased research with the goal of confirming the human-caused global warming theory
If that were the case then it should be dead easy for all the uneducated propagandists to show easily show what is wrong with this:-

https://en.wikipe..._forcing

Can you do that WillieWard, show us the evidence, the maths that show this is untrue - can you ?

When its accepted by Physicists, Chemical Engineers, Mechanical Engineers etc etc

Denying basic Science WillieWard does you no credit, it makes you look foolish & uneducated

ie. Learn Physics !

Aug 16, 2015
" during the 19th century

So America began in the 19th century?

Aug 16, 2015
Opinion: Is the global warming 'hiatus' over?

There was no hiatus, no pause. It did not happen. We've been saying this for three years. Can you please, please, stop using this term in articles and headlines? It makes it seem as though the concept was ever relevant (it wasn't). Everybody other than rampant deniers and science journalists (apparently) knew it was merely short-term variation due to the ENSO cycle. And it wasn't a "pause" anyway - temperatures were still increasing at a statistically-significant rate above normal variation. By continuing to use the terms, you validate the kind of people who pushed this pathetic cherry picked mathematical artefact in the first place.

Aug 16, 2015
"George Washington complained in his diary that New England's roads were "amazingly crooked," but noted quickly that this was designed "to suit the convenience of everyman's fields." People built local roads to suit their own purposes, making things difficult for distant travelers. Washington, a great traveler in his first profession as a surveyor and then as an officer in the war against the French, wrote acerbically that the circuitousness of local roads made finding one's way difficult because "the directions you receive from people are blind and ignorant."[1]"
{Still true in New England.}
http://fee.org/fr...he-state

Aug 16, 2015
Most likely the 'liberals' here are quick to attack national defense using Eisenhower warning about the military-industrial complex.
But will these same 'liberals' decry the 'highway-industrial' complex created by Eisenhower and bears his name? The US interstate system was designed for military needs and was inspired by Germany's autobahns built during the NAZI era, for military use, of course.

Aug 16, 2015
Most likely the 'liberals' here are quick to attack national defense using Eisenhower warning about the military-industrial complex.
But will these same 'liberals' decry the 'highway-industrial' complex created by Eisenhower and bears his name? The US interstate system was designed for military needs and was inspired by Germany's autobahns built during the NAZI era, for military use, of course.


Are you implying the U.S interstate system wasn't a boon for the U.S economy?

Aug 16, 2015
Are you implying the U.S interstate system wasn't a boon for the U.S economy?

Yes.
It is a boon to all the corrupt states and contractors to maintain the system.
Why is the system crumbling with all the taxes collected to maintain the system.
Recall the interstate bridge that collapsed in Minneapolis not long ago? Most of the system is in that state of disrepair and getting worse.

Aug 16, 2015
"While most of the changes are minor, a bridge engineer called one problem "rather major" — a leaky anti-icing system on the bridge deck. Repairs to the system were eventually made under warranty, but not before years of finger-pointing between the state and the lead contractor. Taxpayers also covered some costs.

"Contractors are always very reluctant to give anything," said Tom Styrbicki, bridge construction and maintenance engineer for the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT). "They always try to drag MnDOT into it: 'We did it per your specifications. If it leaks, it leaks.' ""
"Federal regulators blamed the disaster on improperly designed gusset plates for steel beams that fell when the bridge was heavily loaded with construction equipment. They also cited inadequate attention to the plates by state and federal officials during inspections."
http://www.startr...8746561/

Aug 16, 2015
Opinion: Is the global warming 'hiatus' over?

There was no hiatus, no pause. It did not happen. We've been saying this for three years. Can you please, please, stop using this term in articles and headlines? It makes it seem as though the concept was ever relevant (it wasn't). Everybody other than rampant deniers and science journalists (apparently) knew it was merely short-term variation due to the ENSO cycle. And it wasn't a "pause" anyway - temperatures were still increasing at a statistically-significant rate above normal variation. By continuing to use the terms, you validate the kind of people who pushed this pathetic cherry picked mathematical artefact in the first place.

Exactly!! ********** (10 stars!)

Aug 16, 2015
my2cents, read "Blowback from the Afghan Battlefield", and look at the date. It is about how Reagan and Casey started all the Muslim kook groups by organizing, training, arming, and instigating their attacks of the Mujahadeen against the Soviet Union.

Then, Poppy Bush REALLY ticked them off when he built huge bases in Saudi Arabia, and they first bombed, then took down WTC. We didn't even use those bases we built. But it was too late.

Now the Middle East Wars are the Bush Family Business.

Aug 16, 2015
So the previous studies that showed there was no hiatus in global warming, that the warming was occurring below 300m in the ocean but still continuing, were right. And the PDO/El Nino/La Nina modulates it; in El Nino/PDO "high cycle" conditions, SST rises; in La Nina/PDO "low cycle" conditions, deep water temperature rises. But either way, more heat means more global warming, whether it occurs in the SSTs (where we can easily see it) or in DSTs (Deep Sea Temperatures) (where we cannot easily see it).

This is obvious physics: keep adding heat to a system and the temperature of the system will rise. If it's a complex system the rise may be in a different area than the one you are measuring, but the rise will occur anyway. Energy is conserved, and heat added to a system means the system's overall temperature rises, somewhere.

leetennant is right. There was no "hiatus." The heat was just going somewhere we weren't measuring.

Aug 16, 2015
@denglish

"Observations are convincing. No global warming for the last 18 years, 7 months:"

Your reference shows no rise in SSTs, not no global warming. Energy does not disappear into nowhere. If heat is being put in, then somewhere in the system temperature is increasing. Just because we weren't looking at the place where the heat is accumulating and the temperature was rising doesn't mean there was no temperature increase and no heat increase.

This is typical denier illogic. You are denying evidence you do not want to acknowledge.

Aug 16, 2015
@Vietvet

"Are you implying the U.S interstate system wasn't a boon for the U.S economy?"

Don't miss the fact that the autobahnen were a boon for the German economy too, whatever else they were used for. They weren't just a status symbol, nor were they just a way to move military equipment, any more than the US interstates were.

Aug 16, 2015
This is the same guy that says the US sold nuclear secrets to ... Pakistan.

Many suspect that the US did help Pakistan to the bomb to offset India.
Abdul Qadeer Khan met with little security when he stole the Urenco blueprints.
Hmmm, not sure I buy this one. Research implicates China no matter how much they deny it. The research includes isotopic signatures that implicate Chinese stocks.

Aug 16, 2015
Ryggy,
We take our progress from where we can get it. Like space travel, . . we got the Nazi folk. We got the idea for the first practical hydrogen bomb by sampling the residue of how the Soviets did it. Ours needed a ship to deliver. We didn't discover immunization, but used it. You heat your coffee with the British magnetron. Shall I go on?


Aug 16, 2015
@denglish

"Not even close to the hottest years in history. Earth has been much hotter in its past."

Not while there were humans living on it.

Maybe you forgot.

Aug 16, 2015
@john_mathon

"alarmists"

My reaction to this word is to put people who use it on ignore.

Aug 16, 2015
@richardwenzel1984

I'm still not able to understand why the global warming issue is so emotional. It should be a simple matter of looking at data and interpretations of data. Also, how did the issue become so politicized? Why is it even politicized?
The deniers politicized it. It has nothing to do with the scientific evidence; only with the obvious logical consequences of accepting that evidence. Just like evolution denial.

Aug 16, 2015
@Bill589

'Global Warming' is a DC/Corporate Ruse. They've already been caught in too many lies for people to believe anything new.
You mean other than the scientific evidence?

The only lies so far are denial of scientific data. Every week a new study or new data supports the existence of global warming. It's over. It's time to admit the truth.

Let's see links to the billionaire scientists.


Aug 16, 2015
I am sure the climate changing stuffs IS a really big problem. I do not mind admitting that the science parts of it are way over my head so I can not argue about that, I'll just trust the professional scientist-Skippys because they spent a lot time in schools studying it and even studying it after school.

But something I do know about, I wish the big oil companies start cutting down on their operations instead of the silly "drill baby drill" foolishment. You guys ought to see what they done to south Louisiana. Cutting their canals and allowing the sea waters kill off the wetlands and barrier islands. It is a crime what they do. They promise to leave it as they found it, but they always leave it as it is when it is no more good to them. They leave the abandoned derricks and piping and canals. They know the canals kill the wetlands but they just move on and take more and more and more.

I wish peoples would talk more about that part of what the oil causes.

Aug 16, 2015
@thefitz3

Then you can explain why the standard global mean temperature anomaly graph, while generally nice in getting an overall sense of the trend, is insufficient to prove anything.
You mean the cherry-picked portions of it you favor are insufficient to prove anything.

Liars figure.

Aug 16, 2015
Ira's right about that one. And it's serious. A grassroots pressure can help, especially if it is tied in with some eco-group, whether from a university or what.

Part of it is from hubris and the Corps of Engineers, our National Runaway Bulldozer. Much of the rest is subsidence from oil extraction, in addition to the damage from the canals brought up by Ira.

Upstream dams trap the sediments which normally would make new delta. We think we can brute-force Nature, . . . and fail.

Aug 16, 2015
@Uncle Ira

I wish peoples would talk more about that part of what the oil causes.
They concentrate on global warming denial in order not to have to talk about this stuff.

Personally I haven't eaten any Gulf seafood since they poisoned it with Corexit. I already got heart disease, I don't need cancer too.

Aug 16, 2015
Learn Physics !
"water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 time more of it in our atmosphere (around one per cent of the atmosphere) whereas CO2 is only 0.04 per cent."
"Former NASA Scientist: Global Warming is Nonsense"
"There is no reproducible scientific evidence CO2 has significantly increased in the last 100 years."
"The term 'climate change' is meaningless. The Earth's climate has been changing since time immemorial, that is since the Earth was formed 1,000 million years ago. The theory of 'man-made climate change' is an unsubstantiated hypothesis"
"The temperature of the earth has been going up and down for millions of years, if there are extremes, it's nothing to do with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it's not permanent and it's not caused by us. Global warming is nonsense."
http://www.breitb...onsense/

Aug 16, 2015
I'd tell you that you are now on my ignore list

Because I asked you the mean of the trend of two separate measurement systems? whoa.

Well, take your ball and go home. Like gkam, you've learned that YOUR rules are not THE rules. Bye.

There was no hiatus, no pause. It did not happen.

Observations trump assertions. Every time:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

Reagan and Casey started all the Muslim kook groups

This person also believes that the US sold Nuclear secrets to N Korea and Pakistan. This person will also link you to bi-curious web sites.

You are denying evidence you do not want to acknowledge.

What evidence it that?

Not while there were humans living on it.

Exactly the point.

My reaction to this word is to put people who use it on ignore.

Because censorship is absolute correctness.

The climate models failed; whether you like it or not.

Aug 16, 2015
@WillieWard

"water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 time more of it in our atmosphere (around one per cent of the atmosphere) whereas CO2 is only 0.04 per cent."


But water vapor only stays in the atmosphere for days. CO₂ lasts centuries. So "more powerful" is actually the wrong standard to apply; the correct standard is "traps more heat over its lifetime."

And this is physics duh.

Liars figure.

Aug 16, 2015
@de-english

Observations trump assertions.
Only if they are observations of total heat, not SSTs.

Heat is energy, and energy is conserved.

Satellite data shows more heat goes in than comes out.

Where do you claim the heat is going? I could make suggestions but they're against the rules here.


Aug 17, 2015
The meteorologist.

Neato.

There's more to it, you know. You might want to check out the difference between a meteorologist and a geophysicist. Just sayin'.

Aug 17, 2015
Anyone that would bet on the climate future is a fool.
And yet, that is exactly what you are doing when you say variability is within normal bounds and when you say action is not necessary.

Aug 17, 2015
This person also believes that the US sold Nuclear secrets to N Korea and Pakistan.

I REPEAT that is what the US did. They allowed Khan to steal the ultracentrifuge blueprint. Nobody stopped Pakistan because in those days Islamists were set up to fight the USSR. Then Pakistan sold it on to NK. And where did Iran get the technology ?
Blowback.
According to the Wikipedia article, he got the blueprints from Urenco in the Netherlands, and he got them because he made several important improvements in their design. https://en.wikipe...n_Europe

It's also important to note that gas ultracentrifuge design is taught in college courses.

None of this technology is particularly secret. The really challenging part is to get the explosive lenses designed to crush the pit. That requires experimentation and that's what Iran got caught doing. Once you've got that data the rest is just well-known engineering.

Aug 17, 2015


H2O IS the most effective gas to 'trap' heat in the atm.
Learn some physics.


Aug 17, 2015
@ Da Schneib
Thanks for the information.
Sure thing. You're welcome.

It does help however to have the blueprints, the bill of materials, the set-up and calibration sequences, the operation manual ...
Considering he improved their design I'd say he could do all that himself.

Aug 17, 2015
Demonstrably. Learn physics.
Alarmists have learned how create their own physics laws to validate their sensational AGW model, e.g. by missing heat radiated back into space, water vapor, replacing furtively 0.04% concentration for 4%, etc.
"Physics tells us why it's not carbon dioxide after all."
"CO₂ is nothing more than a small dam at the foot of a mountain which will never cause a flood at the top."
http://www.earth-climate.com/

Aug 17, 2015
Not having any education or experience in things nuclear, Willie just cuts and pastes boilerplate nonsense by others. Those of us with some of each do not trust nuclear processes in the hands of goobers.

There never was a hiatus. Now, we have the technologies to make real change, if we can get the deniers out of the way of progress.

Aug 17, 2015
All nonsense. Demonstrably. Learn physics.

Still waiting for AGW Cult "science" to explain how a warming ocean absorbs more CO2 and becomes acidic.

Aug 17, 2015
"Still waiting for AGW Cult "science" to explain how a warming ocean absorbs more CO2 and becomes acidic."
-----------------------------------

Thank you for that admission of ignorance. If the ocean is not already saturated, it can continue to absorb the gases.

Now, was that hard? Only for a Denier.

Aug 17, 2015
Not having any education or experience in things..
There never was a hiatus..
AGW Cultists are becoming the worst example of mythomaniacs.
"The individual may be aware they are lying, or may believe they are telling the truth, being unaware that they are relating fantasies."
http://en.wikiped...al_lying

Aug 17, 2015
Now, we have the technologies to make real change..
unicorn fart energy backed by fossil fuels as baseload? what fib!

Aug 17, 2015
"unicorn fart energy backed by fossil fuels as baseload? what fib!"
------------------------------

Willie, you said it yourself, I think. You said we would need fossil fuels as a backup if we used alternative energy.

Well, we are here. Stand by for your instructions.

Aug 17, 2015
"Still waiting for AGW Cult "science" to explain how a warming ocean absorbs more CO2 and becomes acidic."
-----------------------------------

Thank you for that admission of ignorance. If the ocean is not already saturated, it can continue to absorb the gases.

Now, was that hard? Only for a Denier.

Wow!! gskam has done what real science is unable to find.
http://www.resear..._265-290

Aug 17, 2015
Not having any education or experience in things nuclear, Willie just cuts and pastes boilerplate nonsense
But you have no relevant education or experience in things nuclear do you?

You were a job shopper doing instruction booklet validation on one system, off-site. And you stood in a control room once.

Thats it.

This is why its easy to understand why you think that Pu is raining down on idaho or that flying fukushima Pu puddles can be made to fission by H2 explosions.

But then you only cut and pasted that drivel from the website of your anti-radiation pill salesman didnt you?

If you had had any sort of relevant education at all you would have realized how idiotic that notion was.

Oh george - its only monday and youre down to 2.3.

Do your balls ache?

Our efforts at informing the good people here of your lying, cheating psychopathy is paying off.

Isnt it?

Some psychopaths are very skilled at hiding their true nature.

You cant even get that right.

Aug 17, 2015
Stand by for your instructions.
Nuclear is the true carbon-free basedload option and is statistically the most ecologically friendly energy source.
"Coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste "
http://www.physic...03422357


Aug 17, 2015
A graph shows a warming 9increase... we can now take "global warming" out of the closet and put "climate change" back in it I guess.

Aug 17, 2015
Once with vote will decide whether changing of the Earth's climate is due to human business activity, then science did not manage to answer this question sucsesfully.
But your religion has... god is punishing us for our iniquity isnt he?

Case closed.
I am not taking technical advice from some goober who grows grapes on his pergola, so he can walk around in that stuff, and drag it into the house
And we're not apt to take technical advice from some goober who scares himself by doubling the number and intensity of earthquakes in his vicinity on a given day, and the spends the afternoon filling water barrels in anticipation.

Aug 17, 2015
Snipers like the monomaniac otto,fixated on "getting even" with someone who beat him at his own silly game, cannot let it go. You can see the seething, roiling psychopathy in his dogged attacks, which reveal his own character rather than mine.

It is kind of an honor to be the Ultimate Fixation for someone with no life of their own.

Aug 17, 2015
denglish - I have read many of your posts. You spend a lot of time and energy defending your fragile belief systems. If I had to choose an example among the users of this site to prove my point, you would be in the top ten.

And there's some stiff competition around here...... no shortage of psychos

Aug 17, 2015
who beat him at his own silly game
Games george? You mean like this...
And you dream of me. You can't help it. Every comment I leave gets under your skin.

You can be played like a cheap kazoo
This is no game. Youre here to lie, fabricate, manipulate, and denigrate. And talk about yourself.

"What makes psychopaths different from all others is the remarkable ease with which they lie, the pervasiveness of their deception, and the callousness with which they carry it out.

"But there is something else about the speech of psychopaths that is equally puzzling: their frequent use of contradictory and logically inconsistent statements..."

-Im not a pathologucal liar. You are.

What exactly are you being treated for down at the VA psych ward? Why dont you want to elaborate on this disclosure of yours? Were you only looking for pity?

"Psychopaths are often able to incite pity from people because they seem like "lost souls"... these "poor" people."

Poor baby.

Aug 17, 2015
Imagine a small colony of humans living within an artificial habitat, a sort of giant terrarium, in space. A pressure hull of metal protects them from the vacuum. Some colonists find they can make a buck removing metal from the hull and fashioning it into useful items because metal is scarce. Other colonists are alarmed and point to the danger of weakening the hull. The miners cry foul and demand economic freedom and claim they will not be tyrannized by alarmists. Many of the hull miners claim that God will protect them, that God is in charge of their little world, created their little world, and that all will be well. Eventually a miner breaches the hull and explosive decompression destroys the colony, killing all. The moral of this little story is...

Weak analogy.
All AGWites have is fear and inventive.


Aug 17, 2015
Hey, otto-goober. I stated "Look up room 641A of the ATT building in San Francisco, and you can see actual block diagrams of the NSA broadband taps sending every communication of any kind to Big Brother."

And you replied: "More bullshit lies."

I left you a list of references for your embarrassment.

Read more at: http://phys.org/n...ml#jCpou alleged

Aug 17, 2015
Where do you claim the heat is going?

I don't need to speculate. All I need is the observation. Even our "experts" don't know exactly what's going on.

Not knowing what is going on doesn't change the fact that its happening.

I REPEAT

Hi Boy George.

There never was a hiatus.

Wrong. Observe the observations:
http://woodfortre...15/trend

denglish - I have read many of your posts.

Thanks, but I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm sorry that in an article like this, where observation rules over diatribe, that you find yourself disappointed. It may be an intellectual honesty thing.

As I told runrig: It doesn't matter if we like it or not; it is what it is, and what it is is that the observations show there has been no warming as predicted for 18 years +.

This is a huge blow to the AGW side. Again.


Aug 17, 2015
denglish, did you get straightened out with regard to AQ Khan?

Got any apologies?

Aug 17, 2015
Sorry Im reluctant to click on your links as I suspect they are bug-infested. And BTW big brother is a tired 70s metaphor. Kind of like you.

But you can understand why the people here consider the unsubstantiated stuff you post lies? Youre notorious for pathological lying and fact-fabricating.

And so anything you post without the proper links to respectable sites (not the fuku diaries screed written by a hypochondriac nipponese expat who think 'dust' is 'parts')(and you believe him because you have no relevant education or experience) -will automatically be deemed 'lies'.

Aug 17, 2015
You're SCARED, otto.

SCARED.

Aug 17, 2015
denglish claims
All I need is the observation
No. Must be moderated by education

Focusing only on atmospheric is Naive, as the Physics of Specific Heat show you SHOULD be looking at enthalpy & that must mean you take note of OCEANS primarily !

denglish with immense ignorance of physics & statistics claims
There never was a hiatus

Wrong. Observe the observations:
http://woodfortre...15/trend
You've been advised before this is dumb cherry picking, you IGNORE robust statistics

From RSS warnings on THEIR data:-
http://www.remss....eratures

states, from RSS:-
"The denialists really like to fit trends starting in 1997, so that the huge 1997-98 ENSO event is at the start of their time series, resulting in a linear fit with the smallest possible slope"

denglish you are so incompetent you don't know just how badly incompetent you are !

Learn Physics & Statistics !

Aug 17, 2015
You're SCARED, otto.

SCARED.
I think the proper word is disgusted.

Remember. These posts are not for you. They are for all the honest posters here who might be taken in by your pathological lies.

They need to know just who and what they are dealing with.

And thats why this is not going to stop.

Aug 17, 2015
Alarmists should have told more convincing fibs to the public.
"Public Interest in Climate Change over the Past 10 Years"
http://www.accuwe...27473212
"Interest in climate change has waned, Google Trends reveals"
http://environmen...ws/57278


Aug 17, 2015
Alarmists should have told more convincing fibs to the public.
"Public Interest in Climate Change over the Past 10 Years"
http://www.accuwe...27473212

Why does this surprise/please you?
It's just human nature.
People react in the short-term and the curious Google stuff. It's then out of the news and they get on with their little lives. So what?
It in no way means (as I think you think it does) that AGW is discredited.
If anything it's more likely that the denialist arguments have been discredited.
The volume of searches does not (IMO) correlate with a view either for or against.

Aug 17, 2015
TechnoCreed offered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ii9zGFDtc
Tah, a most interesting perspective !

I can only conclude from this that many have sold their integrity AND all too easily

To WillieWard, your narrow jibes go to some effort to show how little you know of Science ( ie Physics)

What WillieWard do you have to say definitively to counter:-

https://en.wikipe...transfer
&
https://en.wikipe..._forcing

Why is it WillieWard you expend effort to obfuscate & push propaganda, why is that ?

How much are you paid ?

I ask you WillieWard because obviously if you were educated you wouldnt show us how narrow, obtuse & lacking in evidence you are ?

WillieWard why are you here ?

Please confirm explicitly you are NOT here to lie & cheat & obfuscate Science & its progress ?

Thanks TechnoCreed, appears WillieWard has been caught with intellectual dishonesty

Why WillieWard do you expend effort here ?

Physics ?

Aug 17, 2015
denglish, did you get straightened out with regard to AQ Khan?

Got any apologies?

No idea what that means.

*Please* don't reference any bi-curious sites (again) to prove whatever you're trying to prove.

This red-herring strategy that the AGWs have is ... revealing.

Aug 17, 2015
Got any apologies?

"No idea what that means."

Go ask someone with character.

Aug 17, 2015
know of Science ( ie Physics)
Science & its progress
Physics ?
Just an inconvenient truth: CO2 is a trace gas, 0.04% of the atmosphere, hard to speculate physically / scientifically without big biases/fibs.
Then make a Hollywood film trailer to convince more people.

Aug 17, 2015
Got any apologies?

"No idea what that means."

Go ask someone with character.

No idea what that means.

This red-herring strategy that the AGWs have is ... revealing.

Aug 17, 2015
Just an inconvenient truth: CO2 is a trace gas, 0.04% of the atmosphere, hard to speculate physically / scientifically without big biases/fibs.
....

Not inconvenient for scientists my friend.

Denier myth #.... well, prob 1

It's 0.04% of the atmosphere by volume but ....
78.084 is 02 NOT a GHG
20.946 is N2 NOT a GHG
0.934 is argon Not a GHG
Rest trace gases

https://en.wikipe...of_Earth

That makes 99.964% of the atmosphere transpartent to IR
Making CO2 2500x as potent as a GHG than the 0.04% absolute percentage vol would imply.

So we have the one GHG that is present in the atmosphere for decades/centuries that has increase by 40% since onset of the industrial era.

Study the BL law for confirmation of it's effect (empirical and not up for argument).

Oh, forgot you likely wouldn't understand it would you?
But you still know better than the world's experts this last ~150 years.
FFS

Aug 17, 2015
Runrig has got in trouble before calling out for empirical evidence. Empirical observation vs. prediction is the heart of the skeptical foundation.

So we have the one GHG that is present in the atmosphere for decades/centuries that has increase by 40% since onset of the industrial era.

An no mention of the other variables such as Pacific Oscillation, Solar Activity, etc ad infinitum.


Aug 17, 2015
"CO₂ is nothing more than a small dam at the foot of a mountain which will never cause a flood at the top."
From organic origin, fossil fuel is a kind of "fossilized biofuel"; by burning all fossil fuels the CO2 levels can reach a maximum similar to prehistoric ages. Plants love CO2 and will produce more food.

Aug 17, 2015
Plants love CO2 and will produce more food.

Ah, now we have denier myhth #2
Do you have a greenhouse?
Grow plants, vegetables perhaps?
Try giving them fertilizer but either with no water or to much.
Get the point?
No? splendid, par for the course then.
Got #3 in the pipeline have we?
FFS

Aug 17, 2015
Under ideal conditions extra CO2 does lead to increased growth, but studies have shown there's less minerals and protein per unit weight. This might not be a bad thing for WillieWard, who needs more fiber in his diet, but for others, especially children, the elderly, the sick, the poor, reduced food nutrition is a bad thing.

Aug 17, 2015
myth#2 plausible
"When you sing or talk to your plant you are expelling carbon dioxide which the plant needs to absorb to allow it to go through the process of photosynthesis and grow. In turn, the plant releases oxygen back to you, which is both beneficial and important for your health."
http://farmersalm...-garden/

Aug 17, 2015
Try giving them fertilizer but either with no water or to much.
Get the point?

What the heck does that mean? How does it correlate with plants thriving on CO2?

The lack of specificity in argument is odd.


Aug 17, 2015
Under ideal conditions extra CO2 does lead to increased growth, but studies have shown there's less minerals and protein per unit weight.


You also need to take into account heat tolerances and plant toxicity. Higher levels of CO2 could cause a plant, for example, to be larger, lusher and greener - and more toxic as the higher levels of CO2 absorption are converted into elements we find toxic. You can talk all you want about how lush and green the Miocene was but that doesn't mean the plants that thrived were edible by humans. Most of our food crops evolved and were cultivated at lower temperature levels and with lower levels of CO2.

Higher levels of CO2 and associated warming cause:

1. plant growth in the short term
2. more nutritionally-starved plants
3. higher toxicity of human food crops and
4. an evolutionary preference for plants that thrive in higher temps i.e. not the ones we eat

Can we add "CO2 is plant food " to the "stop talking shit" list?

Aug 17, 2015
. https://www.youtu...W5yVk__w .
Tobacco is causing global warming, good correlation.
Also "The Lack of Pirates Is Causing Global Warming"
http://www.forbes...warming/

Aug 18, 2015
Learn Physics !
"water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 time more of it in our atmosphere (around one per cent of the atmosphere) whereas CO2 is only 0.04 per cent."
"Former NASA Scientist: Global Warming is Nonsense"
"There is no reproducible scientific evidence CO2 has significantly increased in the l