Study explains why hemp and marijuana are different

Genetic differences between hemp and marijuana determine whether Cannabis plants have the potential for psychoactivity, a new study by University of Minnesota scientists shows.

"Given the diversity of cultivated forms of Cannabis, we wanted to identify the genes responsible for differences in drug content," says U of M plant biologist George Weiblen. While marijuana is rich in psychoactive tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), produces mostly a non-euphoric cannabidiol (CBD), but the genetic basis for this difference was a matter of speculation until now. The study was published in the July 17 online edition of New Phytologist.

The discovery of a single gene distinguishing the two varieties, which according to Weiblen took more than 12 years of research, could strengthen hemp producers' argument that their products should not be subject to the same narcotics laws as hemp's cannabinoid cousin. Since 1970, all Cannabis plants have been classified as controlled substances by the , but nearly half of all states, including Minnesota, now define hemp as distinct from marijuana. Efforts to revise hemp's U.S. legal status so that it could again be cultivated commercially have gained momentum in recent years.

The market for hemp seed and fiber in the U.S. surpassed $600 million last year alone. But despite the plant's surging popularity as an ingredient in food, , clothing and even construction, commercial hemp cultivation is prohibited by the federal government. Currently, all hemp products are imported to the U.S.

Research on hemp is tightly controlled by government regulations. Weiblen and his co-authors at the University of Mississippi are among few labs in the country with the federal clearance to study Cannabis.

"It's a plant of major economic importance that is very poorly understood scientifically. With this study, we have indisputable evidence for a of differences among Cannabis varieties," says Weiblen, "further challenging the position that all Cannabis should be regulated as a drug."


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Jul 17, 2015
Just this week a 9 year old with epilepsy who uses MJ to treat her seizures successfully for the past 18 months was told she was no longer able to have access to the drug because the hospital just adopted a rule against prescribing drugs with little to no medical science backing up what the little girl can tell them first hand. I can't believe what they'll waste their money on... All this so they can make sure they know how to control the drug first before making it legal.... Wouldn't want to just sell any MJ to people, they have to be sure they can push it out in increments like everything else.

They constantly say there's no evidence supporting it but then waste billions of tax dollars on absolutely anything else while year after year people are suffering needlessly because of their personal beliefs!

Jul 18, 2015
Just this week a 9 year old with epilepsy who uses MJ to treat her seizures successfully for the past 18 months...


There's a fundamental problem here. Suppose for example that she had been given alcohol, or opium, or benzodiapam, or just about any sedative for 18 months, and that would have kept her seizures in control?

If it had worked for that long, would you then argue to treat 9 year old children by doping them up with vodka or opium? Of course not, because we know the long term effects and the problems it will cause on the health and development of a child, or an adult for that matter.

That's why it's highly irresponsible to give people drugs and treatments that aren't clinically tested to work the way you want them to work.

The little girl's "first hand experience" is NOT a clinical test. Another little girl given the same treatment could have vastly different outcomes, and more still when you consider things for years instead of 18 months.

Jul 18, 2015
"That's why it's highly irresponsible to give people drugs and treatments that aren't clinically tested to work the way you want them to work."
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I would guess you do not have a kid with epilepsy.

And we know much more now, after 50 years of observing the Children of the '60's and the Vietnam War returnees. I suggest you vape some and relax.

Jul 18, 2015
while year after year people are suffering needlessly because of their personal beliefs!
@dr doe
see Eikka's post, because it is very relevant: also note, most drugs are not even tested on children or youths AT ALL... the hardest thing about medicine is remembering what Eikka posted
... we know the long term effects and the problems it will cause on the health and development of a child, or an adult for that matter....
The little girl's "first hand experience" is NOT a clinical test. Another little girl given the same treatment could have vastly different outcomes, and more still when you consider things for years instead of 18 months.
different people have different reactions: most people get tired on Benedryl, i get hyper
most people sleep on large doses of Vicodin, i am barely affected...
ignoring allergies that are known... not everyone will react to the exact same stuff the exact same way, which is VERY difficult for medicine to predict


Jul 18, 2015
I would guess you do not have a kid with epilepsy
@gkam
what';s the point of that part? i DO have grandkids wi/ epilepsy and i agree with Eikka
we know much more now, after 50 years of observing the Children of the '60's and the Vietnam War returnees
and again, the point?
we also know only about SOME of the problems, including, but not limited to, agent orange problems: even some of THOSE long term effects are just now being found... so when you post
I suggest you vape some and relax
then i will tell you this: the problem is NOT Eikka's comments, it is the fact that some people think personal conjecture or "one persons anecdotal evidence" is somehow scientific in nature

IT IS NOT

EVERYONE reacts a little differently to medicine for various reasons... even your own gut biome differs from everyone else...

Jul 18, 2015
Vodka is useful medicine. As usual Eikka talks out of his prosterior

Jul 18, 2015
It will be tiresome to you folk, but I really do have a daughter with seizures. They almost killed her, and she has already had an 8 1/2-hour brain surgery. No, I have not gotten her to try cannabidiol, but will continue to persuade.

She has a good friend whose brain has been cut out and sliced up and injected with chemicals he can hardly function. I think it could save his life.

Jul 18, 2015
Hey,Stumpy, you just sit there and watch them go through their seizures and take the word of the docs steeped in their doctrine. I can't anymore.

I do not recommend Laetrile or any other experimental drug, but we have generations of history with this one. Your recommendation is a good one for the most part, but not this time.

We disagree.


Jul 18, 2015
Hey,Stumpy, you just sit there and watch them go through their seizures and take the word of the docs steeped in their doctrine. I can't anymore
@gkam
then i suggest counseling- i never just "sit there"
Your recommendation is a good one for the most part, but not this time.

We disagree
and again, you disagree based upon personal anecdotal experience
NOT ON SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE

the point i made above is still legit: your "evidence" is subjective, meaning that it applies to YOU and YOUR experiences
it does NOT apply to everyone, nor is it quantifiable, nor is it supported with validated evidence other than your opinion... it is no different than CONJECTURE

everyone reacts to things differently, just like there are NO long term effects studied and scientifically validated re: exposure to MJ etc

you are arguing a personal belief, no different than a RELIGIOUS one in this respect

Jul 18, 2015
I think it could save his life
@gkam
lets get down to brass tacks: BOTH your posts are anecdotal and based upon opinion... fine. that is your opinion... now lets talk EVIDENCE

do you know what the first part of the brain to be affected by the MJ (THC) is?

do you know what areas of the brain are affected by THC?

do you know the long term affects for EVERY PERSON who uses THC?
(statistical evidence shows one thing, whereas your "anecdotal evidence" will likely say something else entirely... considering the statistical evidence is based upon a HUGE number of people, i would tend to think it has better evidence than simply saying "i know so-and-so who's been toking for years and he is a professor")

you keep your anecdotal evidence, i will stick to the science on this one...

and there is a REASON that you are not diagnosing or prescribing medicine... you should seriously consider that one as well

PEACE

Jul 18, 2015
Seriously Stumpy, fuck your Wall Street big pharma science

Jul 18, 2015
Seriously Stumpy, fuck your Wall Street big pharma science
@kochevnik
who said i supported "Wall Street big pharma science"????

there is just a big difference between "conjecture" and "Evidence"
case in point: VODKA
people think drinking vodka in the winter can make them warmer... their "anecdotal" evidence says this helps them... they get flushed and feel a warmth in their faces, etc
HOWEVER< it can also exacerbate hypothermia in cold, and hyperthermia in warm conditions for various reasons

article:
http://www.nytime...tml?_r=0

some studies:
http://www.scienc...8190085X

http://www.scienc...83900189

so you can believe what you want.... you can DRINK what you want... but simply believing that alcohol consumption in sub-zero weather makes you warm because your face flushes doesn't mean you are impervious to the elements


Jul 18, 2015
Are you aware of the study funded by Psychology Today in the early 1970's? (I have it around here somewhere, from that time). They found it is not delta-9 THC which causes most psychoactivity, but the metabolite from the liver. It is why cannabis has somewhat of a reverse tolerance, in that it takes a while for your liver to learn how to pump it out, so once you start, it takes little to get the effect.

Jul 18, 2015
Are you aware of the study funded by Psychology Today in the early 1970's? (I have it around here somewhere, from that time). They found it is not delta-9 THC which causes most psychoactivity, but the metabolite from the liver. It is why cannabis has somewhat of a reverse tolerance, in that it takes a while for your liver to learn how to pump it out, so once you start, it takes little to get the effect.
Gkam knows the best drugs are the ones he gets down at the VA.

Jul 18, 2015
"so you can believe what you want.... you can DRINK what you want... but simply believing that alcohol consumption in sub-zero weather makes you warm because your face flushes doesn't mean you are impervious to the elements"
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Stop with the inane analogies. You must think you are speaking to some uneducated goober.

We do understand what you are trying to force on us, but we think it is you who are unenlightened and getting into a panic. There are differences in the components of cannabis, and I suggest you start reading WebMD and other sources, not for proof, but for information so you can make better decisions.

Jul 18, 2015
Are you aware of the study funded by Psychology Today in the early 1970's?
@gkam
no, and until i see the source/link so that i can read the material, it is not relevant to discuss it as your memory might not be as accurate as the study

link it here, because until i read facts, it is no different than speculation

also, quoting effects on biology without evidence is like saying alcohol warms the face so it must warm the body when you're cold- ANECDOTAL
see links above- alcohol is a CNS depressant which means you have CNS issues from taking it (CNS=Central Nervous System)

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the best drugs are the ones he gets down at the VA
@otto
not really... those are just the free drugs. more often than not you have to get permission or special authority to get a drug that actually works or that can be useful, except for opiates or certain other pain killers

Jul 18, 2015
Stop with the inane analogies. You must think you are speaking to some uneducated goober
@gkam
just because you state education in engineering doesn't mean you have education in medicine, astrophysics, biology, forensics... need i go on?
We do understand what you are trying to force on us
i am forcing NOTHING... i am stating a FACT

conjecture is NOT evidence
we think it is you who are unenlightened and getting into a panic
panic? WTF?
really?

lets get something clear... making a CLAIM is not the same thing as substantiating a claim with proof and evidence... you tend to MAKE CLAIMS but you are not proving ANYTHING

do you get that part, or do i need to type slower?
I suggest you start reading WebMD and other sources, not for proof, but for information so you can make better decisions
and i suggest you start reading some of those BY-LINES ...

i read WebMD regularly, and test regularly, as it is required to keep my license

Jul 18, 2015
also note @gkam
I suggest you start reading WebMD and other sources, not for proof, but for information so you can make better decisions
decisions need to be made with all available evidence... this means collecting from validated sources

a validated source is not Mom and Pop's speculations on historical cannabis usage.. that is anecdotal, and not relevant
validated sources are things that have quantifiable information which can be extrapolated into usable chunks or to generate more information or data, etc...
a study contains this kind of data... a validated study contains data that has been checked and verified through various other means as well as repetition of said experimentation

accepting conjecture/anecdote over validated studies is simply foolish and the mark of someone who doesn't know what is going on
you go get your "information" and make assumptions about what it means... i will await validation and more info, just like i do with other science etc

Jul 18, 2015
Stumpy I am something of an expert at drinking vodka in the cold. It is a tightrope but it can be walked. And the anecdotal evidence of millions of people is not to be disregarded. Animals regularly medicate themselves with herbs from plants, and their research is somewhat restricted. Even the most stringent double-blind study can have a predetermined outcome when funded by $billions. For example the herb knitbone regrows teeth and heals cavities. Why is so much money spent banning that information? USA is nothing but special interests. Pinkerton security started in 1850 shooting settlers in the back, paid by English cattle barons in Wyoming. Nothing really changes in USA and pinkerton still big business proud of their 'heritage'

Jul 18, 2015
Even the most stringent double-blind study can have a predetermined outcome...
@kochevnik
i know that animals sometimes self medicate, ... but that doesn't justify your leap to the above quote... nor the rest of your post

the rest of your post is called, in laymans terms, "conspiracy ideation" because the circular argument is something like this:
you believe in a conspiracy (or faith, or delusion, or something-doesn't matter what), and you drink vodka, you've survived in the cold thus far, so by extrapolation your judgement must be good... so that means that your feelings about pinkerton, USA and animals self medicating must also be correct/accurate, so the circular argument is that your judgement without supporting evidence must also be correct.

that is not how i work
i follow the EVIDENCE... not the anecdote (that doesn't mean i wont try to validate or debunk said anecdote, either)

Jul 18, 2015
For example the herb knitbone regrows teeth and heals cavities
@kochevnik
lets examine this claim: https://en.wikipe...ficinale
it IS a common Balkan remedy, as well as used in other folk medicine, but what about the veracity of the claims? (not anecdotal claims, but actual scientific data)
http://journals.c...00000586

http://www.rombio...13/6.pdf

so we have EVIDENCE of hepatotoxicity (not good if you are a drinker already) but there is no empirical evidence of bone growth that i can find with validation of said claims... there doesn't even seem to be support for additional calcium or other known catalysts for bone growth...

so until i get more evidence, it is conjecture (or anecdote), not validated claim

PS
this is an area of my wife's research, BTW, so i have a LOT of botanical references/studies in the house

Jul 18, 2015
I would guess you do not have a kid with epilepsy.


No I don't, but even if I did, I would give her cannabis only as a temporary solution if no other treatments were available.

Because THC/CBD used in the long term affects memory and cognition to the point that hurts learning and intellectual development and increases the probability of other mental problems. The cost of treating the symptoms with marijuana would likely be retardation or mental illness in adulthood.

I suggest you vape some and relax.


Certainly not - I'm allergic to marijuana. It gives me a mild anaphylaxis with a panic attack. You try relaxing when your tongue is blocking your airways and your heart is beating 150 bpm.

Jul 18, 2015
those are just the free drugs... except for opiates or certain other pain killers
"A Veterans Affairs hospital in West Virginia put patients at risk by substituting antipsychotic drugs with older medication to cut costs, the Office of Special Counsel said Wednesday.

"At a time when many veterans are grappling with mental health issues, this VA facility was cutting corners on needed drug therapy to save money in violation of VA policy," said Special Counsel Carolyn Lerner.

"The investigation found that whenever providers at the Beckley medical center prescribed antipsychotic drugs such as ariprazole or ziprasidone, the pharmacy mandated that they instead use older...

"Providers worried about side effects of the older drugs, like weight gain or sedation"

-Opiates and antipsychotics from the 70s... you know, the cocktail that has turned george into the drooling frothing egomaniac we all know and loathe.

Jul 18, 2015
Captain Stumpy:

The point of drinking vodka in the cold isn't that it makes you warm, but that it's a vasodilator so it keeps your fingers, toes and ears from getting frostbitten and falling off.

It does induce heat loss and ultimately hypothermia, but it makes you functional despite falling body temperature because it puts blood back in the limbs and brain and ethanol (and the sugar added to some vodkas) acts as a quick source of energy and a pain relief, which enables you to move, which in turn enables you to maintain body temperature through physical exertion.

Of course, if you just sit down with a bottle of vodka and wait for rescue, you'll likely be dead by the morning.

Jul 18, 2015
The point of drinking vodka in the cold
@Eikka
wasn't my point, really... the evidence that it exacerbates hypothermia (and hyperthermia- depending on temperature) through CNS depression and vasodilation was a demonstration of facts over conjecture to Kochevnik and gkam

the point was the evidence, not the statement so much

also note, and like you said-
whereas it can assist with functionality despite falling temps, as you claim, this is very temporary (and fleeting) as the vasodilation also exacerbates hypothermia

like Kochevnik said above, it is a very fine line

Jul 18, 2015
"Gkam knows the best drugs are the ones he gets down at the VA."
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otto knows nothing.

He got SCARED, and never served.

Jul 18, 2015
"-Opiates and antipsychotics from the 70s... you know, the cocktail that has turned george into the drooling frothing egomaniac we all know and loathe."
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Sorry otto, the topic is cannabis, and once again, you have no education or experience in the areas of war veterans, so I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself.

Do you feel guilty for being too scared to serve? It didn't seem to bother those War Heroes Dubya and Five-Deferment Dick.

Jul 18, 2015
this is very temporary (and fleeting) as the vasodilation also exacerbates hypothermia


When you're dying of cold, the main problem is that your body temperature starts to fall rapidly whenever you stop moving because the body blocks blood flow to muscles in an attempt to conserve heat, which become unable to shiver and produce heat. You have to keep walking to stay alive, but you become increasingly immobile because your limbs grow tired and stiff for a lack of bloodflow.

When you walk, you get hot. When you stop, you get cold. At that point you're already dead. It just takes a little while.

The body's own last-ditch response to the situation is to eventually release and let the blood flow into the muscles, which sometimes results in paradoxical undressing where hypothermic and delirious people take off all their clothes because they start to feel warm all of a sudden.

At the last point, the body itself "takes a drink" - except then it's too late.

Jul 18, 2015
Do you feel guilty for being too scared to serve?


Gkam, it's highly hypocritical of you to ask others to stick to the topic while you yourself are making petty ad-hominems as an evasion from the issues of the topic.

Then again, you prefer to talk about yourself regardless of the topic, so it is only expected.

Jul 18, 2015
You're pretty prickly since you got corrected. And if you had any experience, you would speak from it, too.

Jul 18, 2015
You're pretty prickly since you got corrected
@gkam
Eikka didn't get corrected. in fact, i happen to agree with Eikka's posts
and it has nothing to do with experience, either, it has to do with science and validated evidence

there are differing opinions even the medical community about the efficacy of alcohol in cold temps, but the research ALL agree's with our posts, especially that last one re: The body's own last-ditch response
COLD-INDUCED VASODILATION
CIVD is a cyclic fluctuation in blood flow that occurs upon cold exposure which commonly occurs in the extremities (hands, feet) and face (cheeks, nose, ears)
see: http://www.dtic.m...4681.pdf

also: http://www.ncbi.n...10596776

so don't think i was correcting Eikka, simply adding information (and, of course, demonstrating the difference between anecdote and evidence)


Jul 18, 2015
At the last point, the body itself "takes a drink" - except then it's too late
@Eikka
my point here
this is very temporary (and fleeting)
was about the functionality
it should read:
"whereas it can assist with functionality despite falling temps, as you claim, this is very temporary (and fleeting)... the reasoning for the fleeting nature of functionality is that the vasodilation exacerbates hypothermia more than assisting with functionality"

there is evidence linking the core temps with CIVD
the CIVD response is significantly affected by body core and skin temperatures
http://www.ncbi.n...10596776

the military has been doing a lot of studies about acclimation to cold temps (see: http://www.dtic.m...4681.pdf ) and even with the repeated studies, it comes down to this:
Training in the cold, education, leadership, and early recognition of injuries
still the best advice i know of too

Jul 18, 2015
The topic is hemp.

Jul 19, 2015
And if you had any experience, you would speak from it, too.


I rarely speak from personal experience because it's not verifiable. It has no value in discussion about facts, and simply gives people like you a handle to turn the discussion away from facts into irrelevant anecdotes and personal accounts that might as well turn out to be lies.

But if you insist, I do have personal experience of a kind of "arctic triathlon", which was conducted at temperatures ranging from -10 to -20 C over the course of 100 km and two days by foot, sleigh and ski, and it involved sleeping outside in a tent.

The problem indeed was, that when you were moving you were overheating or at least feeling hot and stripping clothes despite the freezing temperatures, and when you stopped you quickly became so cold that some people who insisted on not having breakfast that morning just couldn't continue. They had to be removed from the trail.


Jul 19, 2015
My point is, that for the people who stopped and seized up, they would have "survived" the trip if they had been given a little tipple to prevent the body's reaction to shut down their extremities against rapidly falling core temperatures. Instead, they had to be taken away by a medical team.

In my opinion, we simply haven't evolved suitable basic survival mechanisms for the extreme cold, because in warmer climates where we come from, you can survive the night by huddling down between two rocks and basically just shutting down to conserve your energy. The heat loss wasn't so severe that you couldn't wait for the sun to come up.


Jul 19, 2015
... but it makes you functional despite falling body temperature because it puts blood back in the limbs and brain
- Eikka

We therefore studied the effects of oral alcohol (40% vodka in sugar-free orange juice) and placebo (juice only) on the systemic and regional (including superior mesenteric artery, SMA) blood flow in nine patients with PAF and six patients with MSA. After alcohol, there was a fall in supine blood pressure (BP) and vasodilatation in the SMA but no change in cardiac output, or forearm muscle and cutaneous blood flow in either PAF or MSA; BP fell further during head-up tilt with no changes in levels of plasma catecholamines. After placebo, there were no changes while supine. We conclude that alcohol lowers supine BP and dilates the SMA ...

... * with no change in muscle or cutaneous blood flow. *

Journal of Neurology 1994, Volume 241, Issue 3, pp 145-152

>> Eikka, interesting comments. Maybe alcohol as an anesthetic just lets one 'feel' warmer.


Jul 19, 2015
... that for the people who stopped and seized up, they would have "survived" the trip if they had been given a little tipple ...
- Eikka

* As the Director of Clinical Pharmacology at the University of Iowa, Dr. William Haynes, states, "Consumption of alcohol undoes many of the human body's healthy reflexes, one of which is keeping the core body temperature warm in cold weather." It doesn't even take that much for this effect to kick in. Even just one alcoholic drink will start the process that results in a lowered core body temperature. *

http://www.todayi...-likely/


Jul 19, 2015
You guys need to go to the alcohol thread. This one is Cannabis.

Jul 19, 2015
Seriously Stumpy, fuck your Wall Street big pharma science

You gotta learn to chillout mon, da ganja is not fuh everyone.

Jul 19, 2015
There never should've been a war on drugs. It's a clear circumvention of the law of the land.

There's plenty of scientific research showing a variety of health benefits derived from MJ, for a variety of physiologies, especially human, for a variety of circumstances and conditions.

Please take 17 minutes to watch "Why we need to end the War on Drugs":
https://www.ted.c...guage=en

Drug warmongers are either willfully ignorant, or just plain cruel. They haven't a leg to stand on, legally, morally, ethically, medically, and especially scientifically.

Jul 19, 2015
Proto, they are control freaks terrified you are making your own decisions.

Jul 19, 2015
Proto, they are control freaks terrified you are making your own decisions.
@gkam
that depends on who and what you are talking about
Personally, i think MJ has a lot of medical benefits, and should not be a controlled substance...
however, hash has NO medicinal value, as well as some of the other "drugs" that are typically sold illegally and easily obtained by addicts (who are sometimes easily addicted)

the problem with illegal drugs isn't so much their use as their effects... especially when someone takes it publicly and (this is the biggie for me) threatens the rights of people around them via different mechanisms.

again, personally, i don't care WHAT someone does (drugs wise) as long as it is not violating the rights of anyone else... but cross that line and i will stand against it.

One thing i DO hate, though, is the "feel good" laws of the USA today. (another topic entirely)

Jul 19, 2015
My point is, that for the people who stopped and seized up, they would have "survived" the trip if they had been given a little tipple to prevent the body's reaction to shut down their extremities against rapidly falling core temperatures
@Eikka
i will respectfully disagree...
although i am right now basing this on personal experience, i was in the process of getting the research and was going to link some studies re: the above, however, BlueHigh gives the best evidence for the reason, including references.

so there is no need...

for the most part, the alcohol, IMHO, is, as Blue posted: "an anesthetic just lets one 'feel' warmer" - (5Stars Blue)

Jul 19, 2015
Sorry otto, the topic is cannabis, and once again, you have no education or experience in the areas of war veterans, so I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself
Well it's true I have no experience with antipsychotics, especially the ones from the 70s. Is it true they make you fat and make you drool?

Or were you already fat and drooling before you started taking them?

Describe the incident please that led to your initial diagnosis. Tell us something about yourself we might actually be interested in learning.

Jul 19, 2015
Personal, therefore anecdotal, experimentation report here...
2-3 ounces of crown makes ya comfortable. Relaxed, but not sloppy.
1/2 joint of cannabis makes ya hungry and (in my case) puts ya to sleep.
1/2 joint of hemp makes ya cough and say "Dude, who sold you this crap?"...

Jul 19, 2015
One thing i DO hate, though, is the "feel good" laws of the USA today. (another topic entirely)

Now, THIS might be an interesting topic digression....:-)

Jul 19, 2015
the problem with illegal drugs isn't so much their use as their effects... especially when someone takes it publicly and (this is the biggie for me) threatens the rights of people around them via different mechanisms
The freedom to consume natural things couldn't possibly "threaten the rights of people around them". A lawful precedent has been set in this regard with alcohol, one of the most deleterious and dangerous drugs people consume. If you can't make your case using that one as an example (and you can't because "been there, done that" with prohibition) then -- well, look up the word "hypocrisy" for starters...

Jul 19, 2015
gkam is right. stumpy and eik are willfully fn ignorant. very little googling would prove it. sorry to hear about your daughter gkam. move her to colorado. quickly.

Jul 19, 2015
@gkam: http://reset.me/s...-future/ Scroll down to read about the olive oil method being easier and more effective than Rick Simpson's Oil. You can make it yourself.

Jul 19, 2015

Eddy, I can get it, legally, even. It is up to her and her Neurologist to make that decision.

Thanks.

Jul 19, 2015
You're welcome, gkam. Good luck to you and yours.

Jul 20, 2015
for the most part, the alcohol, IMHO, is, as Blue posted: "an anesthetic just lets one 'feel' warmer" - (5Stars Blue)


There's contradicting evidence here, because alcohol does cause a blush response and bring blood to the extremities, as evidenced by the painful prickling of cold fingers that suddenly start to get warm, yet the data claims that it doesn't. However, I think this is only because the study in question was narrow in scope:

After placebo, there were no changes while supine. We conclude that alcohol lowers supine BP and dilates the SMA ...


Supine - as in laying down - resting.

The freedom to consume natural things couldn't possibly "threaten the rights of people around them"


Nobody else should have to suffer your intoxication and/or self-impairment. People who use various substances are generally a nuisance to their peers because of the effects of the drugs on their person.

Jul 20, 2015
The freedom to consume natural things couldn't possibly "threaten the rights of people around them"
@Proto
i disagree
and alcohol is a great example of what i mean: consumed responsibly, it is fine. i have no problems with it-

however, when it affects others in violation of their rights (drunk driving, fighting, stupidity or law violations etc) then i feel that there should be harsh sentence over the perpetrator, and not so much kid gloves. there shouldn't be any excuses because of altered mental state as it was a CHOICE to consume in the first place and obtain said altered state.

i don't believe in prohibition any more than i agree with the regulations/laws on MJ etc

like i said, i don't CARE about drug (or alcohol) use as a CHOICE, illegal or otherwise... only when use violates the rights of others am i concerned

that isn't hypocrisy, that is common sense IMHO

Jul 20, 2015
yet the data claims that it doesn't. However, I think this is only because the study in question was narrow in scope:
@Eikka
yes, that might be true... the combined data don't leave this out above...
Nobody else should have to suffer your intoxication and/or self-impairment. People who use various substances are generally a nuisance to their peers because of the effects of the drugs on their person.
this is part of my argument to PROTO above

i know people that use various illegal substances which are responsible. I've been to Amsterdam & Spain (you can buy MJ in bars in Seville or other major cities)... i've never had a problem with people there, nor have i been accosted by those being affected deleteriously... so no prob's AFAIAC

IMHO - if a person can be responsible, then i say let them do what they wish as long as no one else is affected... the problem is that too many people are NOT responsible

Jul 20, 2015
You're welcome, gkam. Good luck to you and yours.
Eddie, you must consider that gkam has proven himself to be a psychopath and a congenital liar. His stories are all thus suspect. There is no way to know for instance if he has a daughter or tinnitus or not.

Engaging him in any way only encourages his compulsive need to lie and fabricate.

Jul 20, 2015
"Manipulation is the key to the psychopath's conquests. Initially, the psychopath will feign false emotions to create empathy, and many of them study the tricks that can be employed by the empathy technique. Psychopaths are often able to incite pity from people..."

Jul 20, 2015
"Psychopaths are often able to incite pity from people..."
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You got mine, otto.

Jul 20, 2015
I never suggested that people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. They certainly should, and there are already plenty of laws on the books for that purpose. I see no major disagreement on that.

The drug warmongers lack a constitutional amendment (as was the case with alcohol) that authorizes the circumvention of the constitutional right to be secure in person, papers and effects.

Neither the feds nor the states may enact laws that circumvent constitutional rights, and that's not some judge's decision or some lawyer's advice, no – the constitution itself says so.

Jul 21, 2015
You got mine otto
"Cleckley's seminal hypothesis concerning the psychopath is that he suffers from a very real mental illness indeed: a profound and incurable affective deficit. If he really feels anything at all, they are emotions of only the shallowest kind.

"He does bizarre and self-destructive things because consequences that would fill the ordinary man with shame, self-loathing, and embarrassment simply do not affect the psychopath at all. What to others would be a disaster is to him merely a fleeting inconvenience."

Jul 21, 2015
You're the one with the puerile fixation.

Jul 21, 2015
i love how the really hard science minded people are backing up the FACT that there isn't much studies or evidence out there. And whhhhhyyyy is this? OH and the hypocrisy in which the OP explained to WHICH all of you conveniently avoided talking about. You have no information because this government in it supreme paranoia has banned it and stuck its fingers in its ears for years. If everyone keeps walking on eggshells about this how is any real research supposed to be done? we just gota sit back and listen to the big brother man. "Yesum sir the THC is absolutely horrible I'm so glad your here for us to decided what should and shouldnt be studied for 60 + years" The posters WANTED to use THC on their kids BECAUSE they tried the HORRIBLE alternatives. Lighten up and help them get the research done one way or another. Otherwise it just sounds like your taking a high horse and teasing GKAM and OP. like really? Stumpy you sound like an educated stuck up in this thread which isn't like u

Aug 18, 2015
Stumpy you sound like an educated stuck up in this thread which isn't like u
@Psilly
sorry to hear that
but the point of fact remains: anecdotal evidence is not scientific
would i like to see more science?
yes
but testing on children is not acceptable for most people... which is why it is not really done in the medical studies.

does that clarify it?

Aug 18, 2015
Stumpy, we both have kids with seizures, I see. Mine has already had over eight hours of neurosurgery, and does not need more of it. If we can help with tested (on us) medications, we will do it. You can trust Big Pharma, which has ALL the answers, but only to questions of profit.

But do not keep me from trying to help my daughter.

Aug 18, 2015
Oops, I did not mean to imply Stumpy was hindering anybody, it was just a broad statement. His advice is sound, but each case is unique. At any rate, I can only advise, and the decisions are still made by my daughter and the Neurologist.

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