Russian scientists stage rare anti-government demo

June 7, 2015 by Anna Smolchenko, Olga Rotenberg
People take part in an anti-government demonstration called by Russian scientists in Moscow on June 6, 2015
People take part in an anti-government demonstration called by Russian scientists in Moscow on June 6, 2015

Russian scientists staged a rare anti-government demonstration Saturday as fears mount that they will be next in the line of fire after Kremlin crackdowns on the media, rights activists and the opposition.

Several thousand protesters including scientists and intellectuals took to the streets of Moscow to express fears for the future of scientific research, which is becoming mired in red tape and mismanagement.

Prominent opposition figures including top activist Alexei Navalny joined the rally.

Protesters held up placards reading "Authorities are strangling science", "Nobel laureates are foreign agents" and "Putin cannot solve problems, he is the problem".

Astrophysicist Boris Shtern told the rally: "Alas, science is slowly dying. The massive advance of ignorance is being supported by the media and authorities."

The protest was originally called in support of a top private foundation whose 82-year-old founder, philanthropist Dmitry Zimin, has come under fire for financing Russian science from overseas accounts.

Discontent among scientists has been brewing for months but the crackdown against Zimin's Dynasty Foundation sparked acute anger and disbelief.

The justice ministry in late May added the ex-telecoms magnate's Dynasty foundation to its list of "foreign agents" under a law that critics say is designed to muzzle critics of President Vladimir Putin.

Zimin, a widely respected former radio engineer who spent millions of dollars supporting , has threatened to shut down his foundation, demanded an apology from the authorities and temporarily left Russia.

An AFP correspondent said more than 2,000 people turned up at the rally, while activists counted some 3,500 participants.

Antonina Aleksandrova, a biologist at a cancer treatment centre, slammed the attack against Zimin's foundation whose grant recipients include groups promoting liberal values.

"For the country to develop, it needs education," Aleksandrova told AFP.

"The Dynasty is an egregious example of how an organisation that played a huge role in this education has been crushed."

"It is a significant loss for us all."

Some rally participants held books published with the help of Zimin's fund.

Physicist Vladimir Olshansky said he found the current atmosphere of "lies and obscurantism" offensive.

He said the Kremlin was threatened by free-wheeling scientists and their independent-minded benefactors.

"The authorities believe that they themselves know who to give money to."

Chemist Efim Brodsky added: "What's happening threatens the country more than science."

'Only reason to stay'

Critics accuse the Russian government of boosting defence spending at the expense of science, education and health care as tensions with the West run high.

Some have said that Russia appears to be losing its competitive edge in space, pointing to a recent string of mishaps.

Many supporters praise Zimin as a rare Russian philanthropist who instead of flaunting his wealth like many fellow tycoons chooses to support a young generation of scientists.

"Without the Dynasty young scientists would begin leaving the country abruptly," Mikhail Nikitin, a 32-year-old biologist, told AFP, adding that he was finishing a book he was hoping could be published with the help of the fund.

"For many young scientists the Dynasty's grants were the only reason to stay in Russia," he said.

More than 250 Russian scientists, most of them working abroad, signed an open letter in support of Zimin, saying they were "outraged and extremely worried" by the pressure on the fund and its possible consequences.

Zimin's foundation has a 2015 budget of 435 million rubles ($7.7 million at the current exchange rate).

"My money is kept abroad," Zimin, who founded mobile telecommunications giant VimpelCom in 1992, told Russian reporters. "But Russia also keeps its money abroad."

The Dynasty will convene a meeting on Monday to decide its future strategy.

Putin signed the law on "foreign agents" in 2012, after huge opposition protests, and described the legislation as "self-defence" against the financing of political activities in the country from abroad.

Scores of rights groups resent the tag carrying connotations of Cold War espionage.

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Multivac jr_
4.5 / 5 (8) Jun 07, 2015
Go ahead and give Putin the brain drain he desires and leave (or otherwise stage an intellectual strike and halt all scientific research in the country).

Then come back and help rebuild Russia once Putin has been given the Ceaușescu treatment he so richly deserves by the people for his role in sending Russia back to the Dark Ages.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (8) Jun 07, 2015
Pretty brave of them to demonstrate under those conditions. Hats off.

Critics accuse the Russian government of boosting defence spending at the expense of science, education and health care

That sounds awfully familiar.

Seems the oligarchs in the east and the magnates in the west have agreed to another arms race.
Nothing beats no-bid military contracts for goods that need to not conform to any kind of standards when it comes to grabbing cash from the citizens.
ryggesogn2
1.6 / 5 (7) Jun 07, 2015
This is the price 'intellectuals' pay for depending on plundered wealth.

https://mises.org...ialism-0
Multivac jr_
4.5 / 5 (8) Jun 07, 2015
So what must do Putin to make you happy?


Retire or otherwise depart from government then call for all top government leadership positions to be filled with free and open elections that are monitored by independent observers. That'd be a good start.

The U.S. and the E.U. could use some major top-down reform too, so this isn't about Putin-bashing; it's more about oligarch-bashing, but this article was about Russia and Putin so that's why I restricted my comment to them.
RealityCheck
3.5 / 5 (8) Jun 07, 2015
Since any public demonstration of increasing anti-govt sentiment in a Russia back under totalitarian censorship/brutality must be 'the tip of the iceberg' of public disaffection with the antics of their little "Blood Pudden", it looks yet another mad megalomaniacal tyrant is headed for a 'sticky pudden' end....unless he quits and gets out and 'disappears' with the help of new identity papers and more radical facial plastic surgery than he has had already. Poor Pudden.
RealityCheck
3 / 5 (6) Jun 07, 2015
Talk about weird. Why would Vietvet and Uncle Ira (US citizens and Patriots both) downvote '1' my observation re Putin and the demos against him in Russia? Especially after their President Obama just urged all nations to unite against Putin's aggression?

Oh, I forgot, Vietvet and Uncle Ira have me on their 'list' programmed into their automated bot-voting system logged in here. Way to go, bot-idiots. Shame on you Vietvet, Uncle Ira, for your tacit treasonous support of Putin and his aggression. Bot-morons.
Vietvet
5 / 5 (3) Jun 07, 2015
Talk about weird. Why would Vietvet and Uncle Ira (US citizens and Patriots both) downvote '1' my observation re Putin and the demos against him in Russia? Especially after their President Obama just urged all nations to unite against Putin's aggression?

Oh, I forgot, Vietvet and Uncle Ira have me on their 'list' programmed into their automated bot-voting system logged in here. Way to go, bot-idiots. Shame on you Vietvet, Uncle Ira, for your tacit treasonous support of Putin and his aggression. Bot-morons.


@RC

My down vote was for you not knowing Putin is hugely popular in Russia. Unfortunately he's not going anywhere soon.
docile
Jun 07, 2015
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Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (4) Jun 07, 2015
Talk about weird. Why would Vietvet and Uncle Ira (US citizens and Patriots both) downvote '1' my observation re Putin and the demos against him in Russia? Especially after their President Obama just urged all nations to unite against Putin's aggression?

Oh, I forgot, Vietvet and Uncle Ira have me on their 'list' programmed into their automated bot-voting system logged in here. Way to go, bot-idiots. Shame on you Vietvet, Uncle Ira, for your tacit treasonous support of Putin and his aggression. Bot-morons.


@ Really-Skippy. How you are Cher? Still in the bad mood, eh?

Let me explain something to you. I down voted your karma. I did not up vote Putin-Skippy. And let me explain another something to you, Putin probably ain't going to be checking on the physorg to see how voted.

Now maybe you can understand I down vote you because you don't like it. And the more you boohoo about it, the more I do like to do it. And as long as you call me names, that is how I will vote.
Vietvet
5 / 5 (5) Jun 07, 2015
@RC

How do you feel about being up voted by sock puppets?

Joined June 6 2015
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nuvepatif 5:49 pm
karalohula 5:50 pm
wezutipeta 5:52 pm

Joined June 7 2015
lojib 7:12 pm
hewewa 7:13
And counting.

You can thank docile
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 07, 2015
Hi Vietvet. :)
Talk about weird. Why would Vietvet and Uncle Ira (US citizens and Patriots both) downvote '1' my observation re Putin and the demos against him in Russia? Especially after their President Obama just urged all nations to unite against Putin's aggression?

Oh, I forgot, Vietvet and Uncle Ira have me on their 'list' programmed into their automated bot-voting system logged in here. Way to go, bot-idiots. Shame on you Vietvet, Uncle Ira, for your tacit treasonous support of Putin and his aggression. Bot-morons.
My down vote was for you not knowing Putin is hugely popular in Russia. Unfortunately he's not going anywhere soon.
You're kidding, right? Propaganda. You believer you! What happens to the more popular figures who voice their real opinion about Pudden and his crones destroying Russian credibility, plundering resources for insane megalomaniacal personal military adventurism/expansionism? The ones that are a 'threat' disappeared/murdered.
Uncle Ira
5 / 5 (6) Jun 07, 2015
@RC

How do you feel about being up voted by sock puppets?

Joined June 6 2015
dehoji 5:45 pm
logub 5:48 pm
nuvepatif 5:49 pm
karalohula 5:50 pm
wezutipeta 5:52 pm

Joined June 7 2015
lojib 7:12 pm
hewewa 7:13
And counting.

You can thank docile


Good catch.
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (5) Jun 07, 2015
Hi Vietvet. :)
@RC

How do you feel about being up voted by sock puppets?

Joined June 6 2015
dehoji 5:45 pm
logub 5:48 pm
nuvepatif 5:49 pm
karalohula 5:50 pm
wezutipeta 5:52 pm

Joined June 7 2015
lojib 7:12 pm
hewewa 7:13
And counting.

You can thank docile
Don't care either way, which is why I recommend everyone to avoid playing games in the ratings pages because the system is being bot-screwed by that idiot Uncle of yours whom you follow around and agree with in his idiocy.

So, how do YOU feel about approving that idiot's downvotes according to 'karma' and his own admitted ignorant troll personal 'likes/dislikes' irrespective of the content posted?

Mate, I'll take you seriously in your comments about other trolls doing what you and idiot ira et al been doing when you denounce that poisonous turd and stop playing with yourselves in the ratings pages. The ratings system is kaput, and not a reliable metric anymore (if it ever was). Good luck. :)
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (4) Jun 07, 2015
@ Really-Skippy. I never vote but one time. Here in America that is the rule, vote one time and move on. I never vote with the puppetting stuffs. Only one vote and it is the same name I joined with and is on all my commenting postums.
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 07, 2015
Poor Ira bot-turd. He is so far 'gone' that he actually deludes himself that his denials will be believed while he keeps bot-voting on a science site and skewing the ratings system based on his 'karma' and ignorant personal 'likes/dislikes' irrespective of science content posted. What a maroon. Too sad to laugh at him anymore. Sad.
Vidyaguy
5 / 5 (4) Jun 07, 2015
So what must do Putin to make you happy? To give up the confidence of russians and sovereignty of Russia and to provide natural resources for concession for 1% tax on the profits of concessionaires like Gorbachev and Yeltsin? From the physics we know that every action in one direction cause contra action in opposite direction. Unipolarity is contraindicated for development of civilization in positive direction.


Ren82 - But that argument could have been made in the 'fifties, as well. I have seen with my own eyes the results of Russian "political correctness" back then, when one's chance for publication in Russian scientific journals was markedly enhanced if one could quote certain leading Russian politicians "thoughts," as expressed in speeches, and thus give them credit - no matter how elliptical the logic or connection - for one's own research or new understanding. Perhaps today's scientists do not want to go back to the times of governmental control.
Robert_D
5 / 5 (1) Jun 07, 2015
Just another petty little tyrant.
Vietvet
5 / 5 (4) Jun 08, 2015
Just another petty little tyrant.


No, he his a dangerous, narcissistic, megalomaniac with his finger on the atomic button.
antialias_physorg
5 / 5 (5) Jun 08, 2015
How do you feel about being up voted by sock puppets?


Isn't it funny: Those that shout the most about 'democracy' and 'fairness' and 'not being suppressed' are the ones who behave the most like the ones they are criticising (in this case Putin).

Zeph, Otto, RealityCheck, ...
They'd be right at home in some ballot-stuffing pseudo-democratic dictatorship.

(Or to quote Phil Collins: "Do as I say - don't do as I do")
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (5) Jun 08, 2015
Hi antialias_physorg.
Isn't it funny: Those that shout the most about 'democracy' and 'fairness' and 'not being suppressed' are the ones who behave the most like the ones they are criticising (in this case Putin).

Zeph, Otto, RealityCheck, ...
I have nothing to do with any other person/group playing in the ratings pages. In fact, as you WELL KNOW, I am the one who OPPOSES such games, and have NOT voted at all for long time; and I am the one who has advised everyone NOT to play therein.

But you applauded Uncle Ira's BOT-voting there! Hypocrite much?

See? This is the same sort of personal hypocrisy, unscientific mentality and subjective beliefs in your own inerrancy (and that of mainstream) that led you and your gang to make fools of yourselves by 'believing' the initial BICEP2 claims. It was left to ME to point out that you should be objective and impartial at all times if you want to call yourself 'scientist'.

Your due diligence non-existent, then and now. Sad.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (6) Jun 09, 2015
the initial BICEP2 claims. It was left to ME to point out
absolutely NOTHING
basically you made an unsubstantiated statement and then refused to qualify said statement with any actual proof

to date, you have posted more than 3700 times telling everyone that you can't validate your claims because you don't have the time to validate your claims or because of your ToE.claims (this is still increasing because you refuse to actually validate your claims)

except that your point was that you claimed to have seen specific flaws in the published paper
it is not plagiarism in ANY way, shape or form if you quote a paper and state it is a flaw (fatal or otherwise)

I've done it with mills hydrino theory as well as your own PO comments

THAT is why you get downvoted

unsubstantiated conjecture is not scientific, nor logic
above is Strawman, Red Herring, distraction, OT, unsubstantiated conjecture & much more (and reported)

consider each further OT rant reply reported too
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 09, 2015
Poor Stumpy still in denial, folks!
the initial BICEP2 claims. It was left to ME to point out
absolutely NOTHING
And this QUOTE CHOPPING is but the latest example and demonstration of the 'selective bias' way he 'follows the evidence' in order to maintain and rationalize to himself and his gangmates his continuing denial and lying.

The full sentence was:
It was left to ME to point out that you should be objective and impartial at all times if you want to call yourself 'scientist'.
Note what I pointed out? That's right, they should be: "objective and impartial at all times if you want to call yourself 'scientist'."

But what does this stump do in order to manufacture his own half-truth strawman 'reply'? He chopped out the main substance of what I pointed out! In short, I suggested they do due diligence at all times before accepting anything from any source, including mainstream. But instead, they prefer to attack me and deny their lack of objectivity! Sad.

Mike_Massen
4.2 / 5 (5) Jun 10, 2015
Ren82 has claimed
I pointed out the number 10 ^ 40 000 and you still talk to me about permutations. You really do not understand the magnitude of this problem. Number of such size as 10 ^ 40 000 have no physical meaning in our universe
How "Pointed out" Ren82, show the Provenance of claim, how this number is arrived at & the precise basis on which it is founded but, NOTHING !

Why cannot Ren82 respond intelligently, he has a habit of asking leading questions of scientists who accept evolution and its principles yet refuses to answer simple questions about the nature of the deity he claims is the 'creator' and especially so how his claimed 'creator' who he believes to be human oriented communicates with us ?

Why is Ren82 unable to answer question which challenge his emotionally led belief in a deity ?

The deity that punished all of creation due to a setup of entrapment of a young woman which clearly shows the deity he claims acts just like an evil Devil !
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Jun 11, 2015
manufacture his own half-truth strawman 'reply'?
@rc
tell me... besides arguing for due diligence, which is your buzzword, much like pheromones and amino acid substitutions to jvk...

what is the half that was true?
But instead, they prefer to attack me and deny their lack of objectivity!
actually, this is fascinating that you would post it like this
for several reasons:
so- when someone asks you to qualify a statement and actually point out specifics, it is "attacking" you?
is asking you to point to the specific flaws some unrealistic challenge that cannot be done?
after all, it is not violating your bigToE, but simply pointing to specifics in someone else's work showing their flaws, not yours

you attacked them and made a very specific statement regarding "their" work (not yours)

you specifically stated you saw 4 fatal flaws
and you have YET to validate the claim... in 3700 posts!!!!

what is so hard to understand about that?
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 11, 2015
Stumpy, still digging that hole? What's wrong with you? Forgetful on purpose; or is it medical condition?

Don't you understand the meaning of this sentence: "I Can't discuss details anymore until I publish my ToE complete"?

Don't you remember when you lied about a thread not existing and called me a liar, and then I linked to it to prove you were lying?

Don't you recall when you and other uncritical believers swallowed that BICEP2 crap hook line and sinker until I cautioned you all to be careful and check it out properly/objectively for immediately obvious flaws which Planck proved I was correct about?

Do you deny that my internet experiments proved more than once that the mod-trolls abusing their mod position banned me for being correct and proving them wrong on the science and their unscientific behavior?

How much 'evidence following' do you have to do with your personality-troll, bot-voting, deniers' BLINKERS ON before enough is enough?

Stop digging holes, Stumpy.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Jun 11, 2015
Don't you remember when you lied about a thread not existing and called me a liar, and then I linked to it to prove you were lying?
@rc
Prove it !
Don't you recall when you and other uncritical believers swallowed
1- plank can't prove you were correct because you never stated any of the flaws you thought you saw
2- the BICEP2 papers don't have any of your ToE in them
Do you deny that my internet experiments
yes, i can deny them
because it is public access & record
it shows where you were perma-banned for trolling/baiting, given a second chance because someone got suckered, then you turned right around and did it again, getting you perma-banned
AGAIN!

then you tried to get back on with various sock puppets (& perma-Banned)

that is not an experiment, that is a sad lonely broken old man seeking attention

the evidence is clear to anyone who understands basic English: you've been caught lying, baiting/trolling and perma-banned from multiple sites

Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Jun 11, 2015
Stumpy, still digging that hole?
@rc

oh yeah...almost forgot
baiting
trolling
OT

unless you can link and prove your 4 fatal flaws, then you are simply spamming, baiting and trolling

reported

consider every reply you make to above as being followed by my quote here
tl;dr
baiting
trolling
reported

that way i can save time by simply down-voting you and reporting your posts while you can save time by arguing with yourself

until you actually post something of content, like the four flaws you saw in BICEP2?
or maybe all that data you are going to link to Jean?

until then, just keep posting to make sure you get the last word
Not that it matters
not that it means you "win" anything or have any valid points

LMFAO
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 11, 2015
Stumpy, give it up, you already lost.

Ask the longtime regulars in the forums about my past comments pointing out the 'mixmaster' that is local/deep/far space reaches/processes for any light signals: including CMB (which Planck just confirmed for you; not only recognizing the 'dust' scattering/polarizing, energy-frequency/wavelength attenuating 'scattering' effects, but also the plasma jets/clouds etc etc effects over long distances)....all of which makes any claims to finding 'support' in CMB 'interpretation' for Big Bang/GWs etc hypotheses INVALID.

The thread where I educated DaSchneib about PLASMOID features/processes in the sun: You said the thread didn't exist, so I linked to it to prove you were lying (again). Why deny it? It's in the record for anyone to check for themselves.

As for your linking to the TRUMPED UP 'excuse/reason' used by mod-trolls who banned me, it's like you linking to Al Qaeda for a reference about US President. Naturally they'd lie.

Stop digging.
Captain Stumpy
5 / 5 (5) Jun 11, 2015
Ask the longtime regulars in the forums
rc
i didn't get any further... tl;dr

i have asked about your historical posts... wanna know what everyone says (except you, that is)

TROLLING, BAITING, SPAM, UNSUBSTANTIATED CONJECTURE, REFUSAL TO LINK EVIDENCE/PROOF - VALIDATE A CLAIM

(imagine that)

http://www.scifor...banlist/

As for your linking to the TRUMPED UP 'excuse/reason' used by mod-trolls who banned me, it's like you linking to Al Qaeda for a reference about US President. Naturally they'd lie
you know, i could understand if that was from a single MOD...

but MULTIPLE MODS?
even the one that gave you a second chance as UNDEFINED?
Multiple SITES?
multiple ADMIN?

are you saying there is a world conspiracy against you?
ROTFLMFAO

you broke the rules: you got caught trying to create SOCK puppets to weasel your way back in... you got PERMA-banned

shows that moderation works like it should!

almost forgot!
reported
SPAM
TROLLING
BAITING

RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 11, 2015
Hi Stumpy. Just how naive and trusting (or willingly complicit) are you?
i didn't get any further...
This baulking at proper due diligence again demonstrates your denial and fear of actually following/presenting the evidence/full facts. You prefer to work with half-truths from personal malice/ignorance.
you know, i could understand if that was from a single MOD... but MULTIPLE MODS...even the one that gave you a second chance as UNDEFINED?...Multiple SITES?...multiple ADMIN?
I only ever posted on FOUR forums. The mod-troll gangs had direct/indirect collusion amongst them. One MOD even tried to poach members away from the site he was moderating, and sabotaged/ruined the site to make members dissatisfied enough to switch to a site HE was involved with. Conflict of interest much? That MOD-troll gang broke all the rules, and science discourse suffered for it.

Those INTERNET EXPERIMENTS necessitated new usernames to perform them. Duh. And I made myself known asap. :)
RealityCheck
2 / 5 (4) Jun 11, 2015
PS: Give it up, Stumpy. You haven't a leg to stand on in light of the FULL record on this. Stop digging your denier/half-truths troll hole.

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