Comet defies death, brushes up to sun and lives

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Image of sun courtesy of NASA.

A small comet survived what astronomers figured would be a sure death when it danced uncomfortably close to the broiling sun Thursday night.

Comet Lovejoy was only discovered a couple of weeks ago. It was supposed to melt as it came so close to the sun that the temperatures would hit several million degrees.

But astronomers watching live with telescopes were shocked when a bright spot emerged on the sun's other side. Lovejoy lived.

The comet came within 75,000 miles of the sun. For a small object often described as a dirty snowball, that brush with the sun should have been fatal.

Astronomers say it probably wasn't deadly because the comet was larger than they thought.

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Dec 16, 2011
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Dec 16, 2011
Reality is always a "coincidence" for the insane.

1st sanity rule: "To know that you don't know is best,
To pretend to know what you do not know is a disease."

Dec 16, 2011
The Lovejoy comet passed the Sun from quite significant distance. It was considered to be safe from its very beginning. http://stereo-ssc...4h1A.jpg
Do you lack self awareness? Shame?
You apparently didn't realize, Oliver K. Manuel suffers with schizophrenia. He lives in the world of his imaginations - which explains, why he raped his children too. He probably believed, he is in marital status with them, or something similar.

Dec 16, 2011
Do you lack self awareness? Shame?

He's just a masochist. There are a number of those here.

Zephyr/Calippo/rawa1
kevinrts
omatumr
...

Dec 16, 2011
@theknifeman - Seriously? Why are you(and others) so hellbent on the character assassination of another poster on a physics news website?

At least, for some common decency, keep away from going after peoples character whether it be true or not.

Dec 16, 2011
Would the comet have lost any mass during this passing?

Dec 16, 2011
Would the comet have lost any mass during this passing?

No. Why would it? I mean - if you were to throw an object, travelling several dozen kilometers per second through an atmosphere at several million degrees you'd not expect it to change, right?
(warning: the above contains sarcasm)

Look at the picture of a solar eclipse. Notice that huge fuzzy area around the rim of the sun. That's the solar corona. Passing through that is no picknick.

Dec 16, 2011
obviously the comet was protected by the Leidenfrost effect and should be renamed the Messenger of the Tsar

Dec 16, 2011
@theknifeman- perhaps I'm not on here enough to see what you and others are seeing. But yeah, I'd stay away from repeating any sexually based charges unless there is some perceived danger and you know for certain. I appreciate your honesty anyways if it matters any coming from another anonymous poster.

@antialias- thanks for the warning!

Dec 16, 2011
omatumr, I am being quite sincere . . .


I assume everyone here is sincere in using the most basic principles of physics - observations and measurements [1,2] - to acquire information about reality.

My reality says CO2 is a minor component in one of the smaller insulating blankets (Earth's atmosphere) that protects us from violent instabilities induced by superfluidity [1] and neutron repulsion [2] in the core of Sun - Earth's actual heat source.

As noted above, "Comet Lovejoy may have been the solar probe that arrived by 'coincidence' this holiday season to reveal new information about the Earth's actual heat source - the Sun!"

I will answer sincere questions about physics - but not insincere distractions.

1. "Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate", Journal of Fusion Energy 21, 193-198 (2002):

http://arxiv.org/.../0501441

2. "Neutron repulsion", The APEIRON Journal, in press:

http://arxiv.org/...2.1499v1



Dec 16, 2011
Would the comet have lost any mass during this passing?


Good question.

Certainly the volatile parts, acquired from the outer regions of the Solar System, would have been partially if not completely lost.

Considerable time may be required for the heat flow to cause phase changes, like melting and volatilizing of solids and liquids, so they can escape.

Dec 16, 2011
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Dec 16, 2011
FrankHerbert- "Just Google it, and you will find the TRUTH. Then post all about it on a physics news site."

BTW...I am everyone you disagree with...just one big conspiratorial figure giving my comments 5's.

Dec 16, 2011
So how many tails would this comet have if it could be observed? And in what direction would the tails be pointing?

Dec 16, 2011
So how many tails would this comet have if it could be observed? And in what direction would the tails be pointing?


Who knows? Past observations generally showed that comet tails point away from the heat source - the Sun.

Dec 16, 2011
So we got our debris tail, ion tail, and here perhaps a material "absorption" tail pointing towards the sun due to it's gravitational pull?

Dec 16, 2011
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Dec 16, 2011
Kind of hard to tell but there is video that shows one visible tail that looks like it is pointed a little bit towards the sun as opposed to away. However, most of it it seems directly behind it's direction of travel.

Dec 16, 2011
There is very little point in arguing with the mentally ill, however it is worthwhile to remind people who they are so that their pseudo-scientific babbling isn't mistaken for informed opinion.

Dec 16, 2011
How can Oliver live with himself?


Evidentially, by literally setting up question and answer sessions with himself so he can feel like he's helped someone?

That appears to be what is going on here. Also watch any of his videos where he interviews some imaginary child or whatever that is really himself. It's been like a year since I've seen it, don't care to see it again.

Dec 16, 2011
I assume everyone here is sincere in using the most basic principles of physics - observations and measurements [1,2] - to acquire information about reality.

My reality says CO2 is a minor component in one of the smaller insulating blankets (Earth's atmosphere) that protects us from violent instabilities induced by superfluidity [1] and neutron repulsion [2] in the core of Sun - Earth's actual heat source.

These two statements together... wow, just wow.

Dec 16, 2011
however it is worthwhile to remind people who they are so that their pseudo-scientific babbling isn't mistaken for informed opinion.


So are you saying that all I have to do to prove that someone is wrong about something is to dig up some dirt about their personal lives?

Dec 16, 2011
You apparently didn't realize, Oliver K. Manuel suffers with schizophrenia. He lives in the world of his imaginations

I...can't...believe...you...wrote...that!

Dec 16, 2011
Observe the character assassination and personal attacks in this thread and others. Do you think any of it is relevant to the topic?

Yes, since the topic at this point is "why does this nutjob / child molester still post on this website?". And we aren't assassinating his character - "character assassination" implies unjust statements about a person. I think our comments about him are completely justified.

Check out these articles. And yes, they are the same person as he gives in his profile, I checked.
http://mominer.ms...hildren/
http://police.mst...v99.html
http://www.highbe...831.html

Dec 16, 2011
well, the lab explosion adds weight to the theory that when two neutrons are accidentaly put in the same flask, violent repulsive forces will be unleashed...

Dec 16, 2011
I think our comments about him are completely justified.


Update: Charges have been dropped for rape and sodomy. Only attempted sodomy still stands.
http://archive.co...s013.asp

I'm not denying the severity of this guys situation (and who really knows the whole truth but him). But do you still think your own comments are justifiable here, axemaster?


Dec 16, 2011
I think our comments about him are completely justified.


Update: Charges have been dropped for rape and sodomy. Only attempted sodomy still stands.
http://archive.co...s013.asp

I'm not denying the severity of this guys situation (and who really knows the whole truth but him). But do you still think your own comments are justifiable here, axemaster?


The article was from 3 years ago. The trial is probably over by now. He must have spent a lot of money on good lawyers. Probably the statute of limitations expired on some of the charges.

Legal problems aside, I previously asked him legitimate questions about his theory and got unsatisfactory answers. For example: if all stars have neutron stars in the middle, how did the neutron stars form?

Dec 16, 2011
...Seriously for me, having some dirty personal laundry is not a measuring stick for the abillity of having bright ideas/accomplishing great things, the greatest minds have had their awkward moments, the creator of the linux file system to name one...No it is something else, while at first I thought Oliver was some credible former Nasa hack with a interesting unconventional angle to old problems, it is the obsessive constant beating of the dead neutron horse on the unlikeliest occaisons, that reminds me of that Hawaian doomsday guy that went on a one-man spamming crusade against the Large Hadron Collider that would surely blow up the universe and guess what, Hawai is still there, I wonder what happened to that guy ?

Dec 16, 2011
Ommatur's posts are incoherent and routinely off-topic. He is using this forum only for link spreading like every other spammer. Even if I wouldn't believe in his accusation, now I can see, he is really unscrupulous psychopathic asocial, who lacks the social feedback and who disregards the comfort of others. He is handling the PO readers in the same way, like his children and his behavior here is just a continuation of his own private life.
you have the option of hitting the "report abuse" button
It doesn't work.

Dec 16, 2011
WOW - just wow , no science here today ! It is just too funny reading all this dribble . As soon as " neutron " man shows up in a forum , it all goes hell . I don't even come close to agreeing with him , but he sure gets everyone elses goat . Wow !

Dec 16, 2011
Report abuse button does work. . .after you click it. . .they ask you a question
Yes, they ask me "Are you sure?" It helps a lot... 8=) Until you cannot see the solution of your report, you cannot say, it works. Frankly, sometimes I don't know, if the people here are kidding others, or if they're just plain idiots, because their attempts for jokes make any difference.

Dec 16, 2011
The scientists believe the solar corona is millions of degrees because it emits xrays. It is not even as hot as the surface of the sun and the fact that it can't melt a snowball proves my point. X-ray and gamma rays are not the energetic photons scientists believe them to be.

Dec 16, 2011
X-ray and gamma rays are not the energetic photons scientists believe them to be.
What else they should be and WHY? The fact, dental roentgen doesn't melt a snowball doesn't mean, it's not energetic enough. You wouldn't want forget your willy there..

Dec 16, 2011
Looks like oliver manuel butt-raped his own kids 0_o

http://mominer.ms...hildren/

Dec 16, 2011
So we got debris tail, ion tail, and here perhaps a material "absorption" tail pointing towards the Sun due to it's gravitational pull?


Another empirical reality - ignored for the last 40 years to promote the global climate agenda [1] - may generate heat by radioactive decay of actinide elements in material acquired from the outer part of the Solar System, making a "tail" (eruption) independent of the Sun.

Actinide elements (Th, U, Pu etc) were made by rapid neutron capture in the outer part SN where lightweight elements (H, He, C, N) were abundant [2]. That may also explain the excess Xe-136 and residual heat in Jupiter [3].

I.e., some tails of comets may be like a volcanos on Earth - powered by the decay of Th and U inside the comet/Earth.

1. http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf

2. http://www.omatum...igin.htm

3. www.lpi.usra.edu/...5011.pdf

Dec 17, 2011
Okay. one of the following measurements must be wrong. either the composition of the comet is not accurate, or the distance it was passing the sun, or maybe the sun is an optical illusion that isn't actually hot and the heat we experience here on earth can be explained in another way.
likely the composition of the comet is incorrect.

Dec 17, 2011
you guys miss the point of revealing olivers past. he regularly accuses scientists of vast deceit and corruption and conspiracy theories and lying about or suppressing info and fighting to destroy the world as we know it and . So he started it. You cant just say shit like that and then get mad when someone points out your credibility(he cant answer any ?'s and the info he gives is all based of things written by him.(a perpetual liar who molested his children for years while lying about it) and integrity based off your past. no way am i just gonna sit by and watch oliver attack the scientific community so often.

Dec 17, 2011
you guys miss the point of revealing olivers past. he regularly accuses scientists of vast deceit and corruption and conspiracy theories and lying about or suppressing info and fighting to destroy the world as we know it and . So he started it. You cant just say shit like that and then get mad when someone points out your credibility(he cant answer any ?'s and the info he gives is all based of things written by him.(a perpetual liar who molested his children for years while lying about it) and integrity based off your past. no way am i just gonna sit by and watch oliver attack the scientific community so often.


Well said. You do good work here exposing Oliver.

Dec 17, 2011
havent you ever read the posts i counterspam oliver with on occasion? lol, j/k, but anyway, like i say in that post it is because the statute of limitations had expired on all but the most recent charge.

Dec 17, 2011
A few thoughts:
- A comet is a "dirty snowball". This one survived a close approach without disintegrating, so it could be a "snowy dirt ball", or a rocky or metallic asteroid with some volatiles. The hypothesis that "the comet must be larger than thought" does not fly. If it is a lot larger, the out gassing will be correspondingly bigger, and the comet would have been detected a lot earlier, which it wasn't.
..and for the scifi fans: it's an alien spaceship trying the same timewarp maneuver that Kirk and his crew did...:-D

Dec 17, 2011
In most states there isn't a time limit to the charge of child molestation.

yeah, he got lucky he lives in a ass backwards southern state. he should be doing life in prison.

Dec 18, 2011
honestly, mostly everyone here is familiar with Oliver so why don't people here do what they do in real life? ignore Oliver's comment and continue the discussion as if he's not there. after a while, that will bother him more than anything. I was looking forward to reading what people thought of this article...

-just a guy interested in science...

Dec 18, 2011
mostly everyone

i do it for the guy or gal who's developed an interest in sceince and wanted to learn more about it and expand their knowledge and found the site. they have a right to know about olivers credibility and that his info is not based off of actual reality, just his paranoid delusions.
im sorry about the thread comments getting clogged up with this. i cant just let oliver say whatever he wants w/o responding though.

Dec 18, 2011
WOW - just wow , no science here today ! It is just too funny reading all this dribble . As soon as " neutron " man shows up in a forum , it all goes hell . I don't even come close to agreeing with him , but he sure gets everyone elses goat . Wow !


You noticed that too........

Dec 18, 2011
Emotions - not rational thought - are used to convince the public that world leaders are powerful and control Nature.

www.ipa.org.au/pu...c-alarms

In fact, they do not!

Al Gore and the UN are totally powerless over the forces that power the Sun, control Earth's climate, and sustain life on Earth.

As the AGW scare collapses, information is being made public on the ill-tempered pulsar that produced our elements, gave birth to the Solar System, and still controls our fate.

http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf

Those who use emotionalism to divert attention away from experimental data and observations identify their masters.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
www.omatumr.com
http://myprofile....anuelo09

Dec 18, 2011
More garbage oliver, hey why dont you answer them 3 questions ethelred has asked about 900 times now? oh yeah, you cant cuz your theory is nonsense.

Dec 18, 2011
The choice is yours:

1. Join politicians in spreading fears and false claims of control over Nature

www.ipa.org.au/pu...c-alarms

2. Study precise rest mass data on every atom and see for yourself:

a.) Neutrons attract protons to make stable atoms

b.) Neutrons repel other neutrons;
___ Neutron-rich atoms are unstable

c.) Protons repel protons even more strongly;
___ Proton-rich atoms are less stable

d.) A benevolent Reality that surrounds and sustains us is in a "Cradle of the Nuclides"

www.amazon.com/Or...06465620

http://dl.dropbox..._Not.pdf

But ignoring data does not change reality.

The AGW scam will collapse once the public knows that a pulsar produced our elements, gave birth to the Solar System, and still controls our fate today.

http://dl.dropbox...asks.pdf

Best wishes for the Holidays!

Today all is well,
Oliver

Dec 18, 2011
For a small object often described as a dirty snowball,...

Well, that's the source of the befuddlement - comets aren't dirty snowballs, they never have been, and despite almost universal claims to the contrary there's never been any evidence that they were. The whole "dirty snowball" thing is predicated on the assumption (and "assumption" it is) that they're leftovers form the formation of the solar system.

Strangely enough, although all the evidence we've collected points to them being rocky bodies that have been exposed to extreme heat at least at some point in their history, the "dirty snowball" myth persists.

Why? Many will probably say "because of the behaviors that we normally associate as being 'cometary'" and (as usual) ask the seemingly-rhetorical-but-in-actuality-isn't question "What else could they be (other than dirty snowballs)???"

Well, there's a perfectly reasonable answer that has nothing to do with UFOs or the like. But it isn't a welcome answer.

Dec 19, 2011
The issue is not the comet being a dirty homosexual comet, it's about this particular comet neither being a lesbian separatist comet, but a it's about it being a dirty hetrosexual comet.


Dec 19, 2011
what about choice 3 oliver? it's called reality. why dont you face it?

Dec 19, 2011
it's called reality. why don't you face it?


Doubters of reality - the pulsar core Sun- also try to avoid new observations made on young solar-type stars:

http://adsabs.har...31...69B

Young solar-type stars:

a.) Rotate rapidly
b.) Are magnetically active
c.) Some have magnetic cycles like the 22-yr solar activity cycle

How does an interstellar cloud of H to collapse and perform these feats?

Could it be that young solar-type stars have a pulsar core, like the Sun?

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
www.omatumr.com
http://myprofile....anuelo09

Dec 19, 2011
(Part 1 of 2)
Pirouette, out in space you can basically consider all objects to be electrically charged entities moving through a conductive medium (plasma, which is itself current-carrying). In the case of "things within the solar system", this medium is usually referred to as the "solar wind", or more accurately called the "Heliospheric current sheet". (Note: Some claim this is confusing two different things, i.e. the "wind" is driven by the "current sheet". I think they're mistaken because you can't have a magnetic field without an electric current. But my point is valid either way.)

Due to the solar wind, there exists an electric gradient (voltage drop?) from the Sun out to the (solar) Magnetopause.

What's this got to do with comets?

Well, it turns out that the only substantive difference between an asteroid and a comet is its orbital path. (continued...)

Dec 19, 2011
(Part 2 of 2)
Asteroids, having basically stable orbits, are near or at electrical equilibrium with the surrounding plasma.

Comets, on the other hand are quickly traversing the gradient when we see them, building up tremendous electrical stress, which is why they sometimes fragment as far away as Jupiter's orbit, and can have an active coma at distances much too far from the sun to be explained by thermal processes.

The coma is an electrical discharge phenomena, ditto the "jets" and tail - the dust is being ripped from the surface by electric discharge machining, not thermal out-gassing of deep volatiles.

This is an unwelcome answer NOT because it is supposedly faulty science (it is based on sound and solid science), but because it gives credence to the "Electric Universe" theorists' views. However, "facts are facts", and the evidence we continue to collect support this theory, and not that of the "dirty snowball". Nevertheless, the "dirty snowball" myth persists.

Dec 19, 2011
Due to the solar wind, there exists an electric gradient

Why? The amount of protons and electrons ejected should be roughly the same - So any comet moving throug this medium should not pick up a net charge.

Dec 19, 2011
Also, Pirouette, while NASA's document "Mitigating In-Space Charging Effects - a Guideline" could be considered only tangentially relevant (it isn't about comets), it does contain applicable information you might find interesting.

http://standards..../3314877 (which yields a pdf with the file name: NASA-HDBK-4002A.pdf)

Dec 19, 2011
Young solar-type stars:

a.) Rotate rapidly
b.) Are magnetically active
c.) Some have magnetic cycles like the 22-yr solar activity cycle

How does an interstellar cloud of H to collapse and perform these feats?

Could it be that young solar-type stars have a pulsar core, like the Sun?


NO, it can't! Rotate rapidly - that tends to happen when you look at a heterogenous plasma around a humongous fusion reaction. Magnetically active - of course a rapidly rotating plasma will have a magnetic field. The ions won't be uniformly distributed. As to the length of the field reversal, I would expect a similar composition star in size and shape to have similar magnetic field properties.

This is the same post from another article. Seriously do you just post the same dribble to different articles?


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