Giant extinct snake may -- or may not -- shed light on ancient climate


( -- Snakes coil up when they sense danger. Some snakes curl up in order to spring into action and strike. Snakes may also coil to preserve body heat, and this warming behavior could affect our understanding of ancient climates.

Scientists from the University of Toronto discovered the skeleton of a giant, extinct snake last year and used its size and metabolic rate to estimate mean annual temperature of ancient times.

The 40-foot-long snake would have weighed over two thousand pounds, making it the world’s largest snake, according to the Toronto scientists.

For such a giant snake to stay alive, the mean of the Paleocene epoch of 58 to 60 million years ago had to have been four to eight degrees Celsius higher than previously estimated, the researchers concluded.

But Mark Denny, professor in marine sciences at Stanford has a different view. After running some tests with artificial metal snakes in a , he found that the huge creatures could have conserved heat by coiling up—enough heat to live without the temperature increase inferred by the Toronto researchers.

What it all comes down to is whether or not snakes of that size coiled up or behaved the same as smaller snakes, Denny said.

“We suggest that the huge ancient snake was big enough to open up an avenue of behavioral regulation that’s not there for smaller snakes, in which case the giant becomes an unreliable paleo-thermometer,” Denny said.

Denny’s findings will be published as a letter in Nature, where the University of Toronto research paper appeared. Brent Lockwood, a graduate student in biology, and George Somero, a professor in marine sciences, also participated in the project at Stanford’s Hopkins Marine Station.

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1 / 5 (2) Aug 03, 2009

The geologic record of the Sun's control of Earth's climate is unmistakable.

See: "Earth's Heat Source - The Sun" in Energy & Environment, Vol. 20, No. 1-2., pp. 131-144.


It is unclear what information snake skeleton's would add.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
5 / 5 (1) Aug 03, 2009
wheres samuel jackson when you need him?
5 / 5 (1) Aug 03, 2009
hes on a plane....
not rated yet Aug 04, 2009
From Oliver Manuel second link:

Two measurements [24, 25] independently confirmed that the Sun selectively moves
lightweight atoms upward to generate the mass-fractionated veneer of elements (91%
H and 9% He) shown in Figure 1.


24) Manuel, O.K. and Hwaung, Golden, %u201CSolar abundance of the elements,%u201D Meteoritics, 1983,
18, 209-222.

25) Manuel, O., Pleess, M., Singh, Y. and Myers, W.A., %u201CNuclear systematics: Part IV. Neutron-
capture cross sections and solar abundance%u201D, J. Radioanalytical and Nuclear Chemistry,
2005, 266 (2), 159-163. http://www.omatum...Fk01.pdf

I don't think two papers with O. Manuel as the primary author count as independent. Not when he is the one pushing the bizarre idea that the Sun has an iron core and pushing it is the sole reason for the post.

5 / 5 (1) Aug 04, 2009
Sam has better things to do. Like wear an eye patch and look cool.

Perhaps we need David Hasseloff. This reptile seems more like an anaconda.


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