German fails to prove atom-smasher will end world

Mar 09, 2010

A German woman fearing that Earth would be sucked into oblivion in a black hole failed on Tuesday in her court attempt to halt the world's most powerful atom-smasher.

The Constitutional Court in the western Germany city of Karlsruhe threw out the woman's appeal because she was "unable to give a coherent account of how her fears would come about."

"The overwhelming scientific opinion is that the experiments carried out at CERN (the European Organisation for Nuclear Research) present no dangers," the court added.

scientists are looking to the (LHC) to mimic the conditions that followed the Big Bang and help explain the origins of the universe.

Housed inside a 27-kilometre (16.8-mile) tunnel straddling the Franco-Swiss border, the collider was started with great fanfare in September 2008, only to break down after nine days for the next 14 months.

It was shut down again in December, this time to ready it for collisions at unfathomed energy levels which began last month.

The scientists' Holy Grail is to find a theorised component called the Higgs Boson, commonly called the "", which would explain how particles acquire mass.

The woman, who has not been named and who lives outside Germany, failed with an injunction with a Cologne court seeking to oblige the German government to stop the project.

Other opponents have also sought to stop the collider, fearing either a black hole whose super-gravity would swallow the Earth or a theoretical particle called a strangelet that would turn the planet to goo.

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fourthrocker
1 / 5 (4) Mar 09, 2010
We are all going to die because of one woman's incoherency? The humanity of it all....
Hatguy
3.2 / 5 (5) Mar 09, 2010
I hope it does create a black hole. Hopefully we can then solve the mystery of whose theory is right, Susskind or Hawking. We should learn alot before the event horizon engulfs us.
paulthebassguy
2.3 / 5 (6) Mar 09, 2010
I think the operative word in this whole article is "woman". Typical, making a fuss over nothing without knowing any of the actual facts haha.
frajo
Mar 09, 2010
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danman5000
Mar 09, 2010
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Doug_Huffman
3 / 5 (1) Mar 09, 2010
I thought Hawking blackholes evaporated in time proportional to their mass. Tiny mass, tiny time.
Bob_Kob
not rated yet Mar 10, 2010
I thought Hawking blackholes evaporated in time proportional to their mass. Tiny mass, tiny time.


Its not proven though.
Chromodynamix
not rated yet Mar 10, 2010
A highly unlikely, but not impossible event.
The physicists say any BH formation will result in immediate evapouration by Hawking Radiation.
Hawking Radiation has never been proved or observed.
frajo
not rated yet Mar 10, 2010
I thought Hawking blackholes evaporated in time proportional to their mass. Tiny mass, tiny time.
Its not proven though.


Hawking Radiation has never been proved or observed.

Do you know any "proven" antithesis?

Why are so many users here who don't understand the scientific principle of cognition by falsification and instead demand "proofs"?
Skeptic_Heretic
Mar 10, 2010
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broglia
not rated yet Mar 10, 2010
LHC to shut down for a year to address design faults

http://news.bbc.c...6621.stm

This is just an official version of the CERN announcement presented at public already..

Maybe it was a PhysOrg user who adheres to AWT

Layman has no chance to address LHC risks in sufficiently convincing way.
broglia
1 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
..Because they're not scientifically trained to operate in logical grey areas..
The problem is, Popper's methodology of science is completelly symmetrical: the negation of hypothesis is a new hypothesis, which should be falsified in the same way, like the original one. Popper's methodology itself provides no clue about falsification of theories.

The case of Aether model of vacuum demonstrates, we can be never sure both by hypothesis, both by their refusal from sufficiently distant space-time perspective.

The Michelson-Morley experiment disproved the thin aether model sufficiently - but physicists have forgotten this very dense one of Iliver Lodge. Simply because density fluctuations of very dense environment appear like subtle density fluctuations of sparse environment and they're nearly indistinguishable each other.
broglia
1 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
We can observe, from sufficiently distant perspective every theory violates itself - this is a consequence of Goedel's incompleteness theorem. Maybe LHC will be safe by now - but next generation of colliders hasn't. The Earth is simply too small for collider experiments of arbitrary scale.
broglia
2.3 / 5 (3) Mar 10, 2010
..I think the operative word in this whole article is "woman". Typical, making a fuss over nothing without knowing any of the actual facts haha...
This is indeed a rough sexism - but it contains traits of truth. Thinking of women is instinctive, we could say, they're perceiving reality rather by its longitudinal atemporal waves, then by these well predictable, deterministic transversal ones. Whereas men prefer the transparent straigforward logic and tend to underestimate danger in general, because they're trained by evolution to behave so. There are many evidences of supersymmetric nature of both kinds (males are bosons, while females are fermions). The experience learns us, just the unbiased balanced approach is the most sustainable from long-term evolutionary perspective.
Javinator
5 / 5 (1) Mar 10, 2010
"People apparently scared of LHC"

This is not a story. This is an excuse to have the same discussion over and over again in the comments. This is getting as bad as the evolution debates.
broglia
1 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
Whole contemporary physics is restricted to description by atemporal math language. In math what you get is what you put in, math formulas are valid both into past, both into future without change.

No wonder, such machistic approach to science makes it incompetent in recognition of distributed connections of reality. The missunderstanding of Aether model is just the most pronounced case, but contemporary science has a fundamental problems with description and understanding of many other emergent phenomena, where interactions of many particles are involved at the same moment. For example cold fusion, high temperature superconductivity, antigravity or behavior of water clusters or various psychic phenomena. Until mainstream physics cannot describe these phenomena in symbolic language of formal math, such distributed reality simply doesn't exist for it.

Unfortunatelly, the understanding of LHC risks or global warming is the emergent problem of the same cathegory.
broglia
1 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
..I think I'll trust the people that were smart enough to build THAT monster..
But these smart people destroyed that monster after its very first run. For example, they never considered a possibility, the explosion of one supermagnet under current load would initiate chained destruction of another ones by avalanche like mechanism. Now it's evident, they made a number of design mistakes.

http://news.bbc.c...6621.stm

We should realize, the nominal power of LHC reached (5 TeV) still doesn't differ very much from those of thirty years old Tevatron (2 TeV). It's not so great success after thirty years of collider technology evolution - especially with respect to incredible amout of money involved into it.

http://www.fnal.g...ron.html

Note that SSC collider project interrupted in 1993 was designed to 40 TeV - the Europe has still learn a lot from USA technology.
Bob_Kob
3 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
Why are so many users here who don't understand the scientific principle of cognition by falsification and instead demand "proofs"?


Hawking radiation has never been observed. No matter how concise the physics behind it is we will never know it to be true until it is tested.

You can anti-thesis until the cows come home, but Id rather not try to prove the theory through the LHC (one of the two outcomes is not pretty).
Skeptic_Heretic
not rated yet Mar 10, 2010
Hawking radiation has never been observed. No matter how concise the physics behind it is we will never know it to be true until it is tested.
Neither have black holes but we know they exist.
frajo
3 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
but Id rather not try to prove the theory through the LHC
(Physical) theories can't be proven; at most they can be confirmed.
No matter how concise the physics behind it is we will never know it to be true until it is tested.
We never know whether it is true. We only know whether our model works.
Bob_Kob
3 / 5 (2) Mar 10, 2010
And all you've done is just deal with semantics. You know what I meant but contributed nothing.
ubavontuba
1 / 5 (2) Mar 14, 2010
I hope it does create a black hole. Hopefully we can then solve the mystery of whose theory is right, Susskind or Hawking. We should learn alot before the event horizon engulfs us.
This just serves to show; LHC proponents really don't care about life.
ffrankblu
1 / 5 (2) Mar 14, 2010
maybe the reason we haven't found life out there is something like this ,everyone advances to this stage and boom we become black holes.
Bogey
1 / 5 (1) Mar 14, 2010
Think Black Holes are bad. Imagine another inflationary
event. But i'm sure they know what there doing.