NASA to get more money, but must scratch moon plan
(AP) -- President Barack Obama is essentially grounding efforts to return astronauts to the moon and instead is sending NASA in new directions with roughly $6 billion more, according to officials familiar with the plans.
A White House official confirmed Thursday that when next week's budget is proposed, NASA will get an additional $5.9 billion over five years, as first reported in Florida newspapers. Some of that money would extend the life of the International Space Station to 2020. It also would be used to entice companies to build private spacecraft to ferry astronauts to the space station after the space shuttle retires, said the official who was not authorized to speak by name.
The money in the president's budget is not enough to follow through with NASA's Constellation moon landing plan initiated by President George W. Bush. An aide to an elected official who was told of Obama's plans, but who asked that his name not be used because of the sensitivity of the discussions, said Obama is effectively ending the return-to-the-moon effort, something that has already cost $9.1 billion.
It all comes down to money. The six-year-old Bush plan, which a former NASA chief called "Apollo on steroids," sputtered when promised budget increases didn't materialize. And now money is a big consideration in NASA's latest shift in focus.
A new direction for NASA has been on hold for several months while an independent commission studied options and the White House weighed them. Obama's choice will be made clear Monday, when he releases his 2011 budget proposal.
"It certainly appears that the Bush moon mission not going to be included" in future funding, said a senior NASA official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the plans.
Space policy scholar John Logsdon, who was on an Obama space campaign advisory committee and has served on NASA advisory panels, said Obama is adopting the preferred option of a White House-appointed outside panel of experts last year. That concept includes reliance on a commercial spaceship, a space station that functions for five more years than planned, and a "flexible path" for human space exploration. That might mean trips to a nearby asteroid, a Martian moon or a brief visit to the moon, instead of the Bush plan for a moon base by the end of the decade.
"What kills the moon mission is the decision to extend the space station to 2020," Logsdon said. That means the Bush goal of "moon by 2020 is dead. We can't afford using the station for five more years and going to the moon."
While the Constellation program "is dead, exploration is not dead and that's really important," Logsdon said.
Already proponents of the moon mission and thousands of workers in space centers in Florida, Alabama and Texas are upset. Congressional officials in those states have denounced such ideas and some of them sit on key committees where they could fight Obama's plans. For example, Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., chairs the space subcommittee in the Senate. And the chairwoman of the House space subcommittee, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., is married to a space shuttle astronaut.
The budget numbers were first reported this week by the Orlando Sentinel and Florida Today.
In a statement, Rep. Suzanne Kosmas, D-Fla., said, "The president's proposal would leave NASA with essentially no program and no timeline for exploration beyond Earth's orbit."
Ken Matthews, a member of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers in Huntsville, Ala., said his members worry about "jobs that won't be there."
If Obama does cancel the Constellation program, it "leaves NASA and the nation with no program, no plan and no commitment to any human spaceflight program beyond that of today," said former NASA Administrator Michael Griffin in a statement.
He said this would be recommending "that the nation abandon its leadership on the space frontier," Griffin said.
Kosmas and others raised questions about the safety of switching to a privately run space travel system that NASA would pay to carry astronauts. Companies pursuing such business include Space Exploration Technology Corp. which is already building a new rocket, called Falcon, and capsule, called Dragon. The company is run by PayPal founder Elon Musk.
And a recent report by NASA's Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel warned NASA not pursue unproven technology and abandon the Ares I rocket - the first rocket in the Bush moon program and one based on the Apollo design.
The report called such a path "unwise and probably not cost-effective."
But the Obama administration official said the Bush program was so underfunded that it wouldn't get astronauts to the moon until 2028 or 2030.
The Bush moon plan was announced after the 2003 Columbia accident that killed seven astronauts. After that disaster in which the shuttle broke apart as it returned to Earth, a special investigative panel said NASA needed a new goal. In January 2004, Bush proposed the return to the moon. It would have involved the Ares I rocket, carrying astronauts in a capsule called Orion. Another Ares spacecraft would carry heavier cargo.
So far NASA has spent $3.5 billion on Ares I and $3.7 billion on Orion and nearly $2 billion on other moon mission work. In the mid-1990s, NASA went through a similar stutter-step that meant abandoning plans that cost billions. That involved President Ronald Reagan's Freedom space station, which ran into trouble after costing $11 billion without building any hardware. President Bill Clinton had the space station redesigned and restarted.
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As if we did not already know, something is very wrong with government, especially the current one.
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What annoys me is this leak from some politician's coffee boy. I am all for protecting whistle-blowers and tracking Obama's embarrassments is a full time hobby of mine but this neither blows a whistle nor even embarrasses anyone very much. The reporter says his source is not authorized to speak to the press on behalf of anyone and wants to remain anonymous "because of the sensitivity of the discussions". No. He wants to remain anonymous because he is betraying his employer for no good reason and interfering with what he knows are sensitive talks.
It was once thought unethical, under *normal circumstances*, to speak to the press for your employer or someone they are dealing with when you are not authorized. But then, since ethics are out of style, I think I will go practice cannibalism or something.
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Just like when your personal budget gets tight, use what you have to its fullest before going out to buy a new expensive one.
Jan 29, 2010
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Something I have noticed with the space program is that when current technologies are not being used and contracts dry up there is less of a drive to speedily produce new technologies for manned space flight when man isn't planning to go into space as originally. It also helps immensely when there is a space race on.
No, this will set us back somewhat more than people think. I only wish it were not so.
Jan 29, 2010
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If NASA is interested in more funding for various projects, a robotic probe should be sent to see about the prospect of processing a few grams of helium-3 on the Moon. Having access to a reliable source of helium-3 may not only solve our energy challenges here at home, but also make our country exceptionally rich in the process.
Why not spend a few hundred million dollars on a probe to determine the feasibility? Make it a simple, scaled down test. If the test establishes that the concept is viable, then send a larger probe to bring back a given quantity of helium-3 to prove the concept.
With the current economy and budgetary constraints, NASA doesn’t have much to loose at this point.
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Case in point- Apollo's much more technical feat was done 1st try ,where as 20 years later NASA failed to send the lesser HUBBLE in orbit!!
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The Obama administration: No we can't.
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Only reason for going to the moon is to mine Helium 3. But it's a very good reason. Oh, and to investigate that thing on the other side with better equipment than they had in the seventies.
Only reason right now for going to Mars is to exploit the presence of water to support prolonged habitation in some self-sustaining habitat and to eventually explore all the sites which have evidence of possibly non-indigenous lively activity. This will prove difficult, as there is as much land area to cover on Mars as there is on Earth.
Further research should be continued on improving ion engines and better propulsion systems for landing and leaving Mars.
Mars will become the doorstep to the rest of the solar system.
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That is what I meant''lens'' and is still a massive failure compared with the time and tech imo.The best evidence I ever came across is them saying well here is moonrock, but that could have came from a robot for all I know.
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Ten years from now you will talking out the other side of your mouth as you tell people how you never liked Obama and that Bush wasn't such a bad president.
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They didn't even pay for the rockets. The amount was just enough to pay for the cost of building a hollywood set instead.
Wag the dog has the true story if you read between the lines. There is a good reason the director is called Stanley...
The film footage of the astronauts is using the same technique as applied by Kubrik in 2001 space oddessey. He was the only director at the time who knew you to use that technology and was willing to run the production as his greatest work which he could never discuss in public. Obviously he did talk about it though and there is good reason why his last film was called "Eyes wide shut". That he died before finishing and that a huge amount of his vision for the film was edited before the official release is also related.
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I think that we would not go wrong funding "it all".
1.) I'll bet money spent by NASA, at least that spent when it was spent on exploration and pushing the boundaries, has done more for the "poor" than five times that amount in social programs.
2.) While visiting NASA's web site I at first wondered why Obama never used the word honor about
the sacrifices of our lost astronauts. Then it occured to me that one might "celebrate" a sacrifice
while moving to make it meaningless, but one cannot
honor sacrifices while doing so.
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Frankly, I am (somewhat) happy that NASA is stepping back. They spend way too much for too little vision. Now it is time for the private entrepeneurs to step up. The public cannot complain how private money is spent and the private projects will be able to claim the profits for themselves, and not "for all mankind". Lead, follow or just get out of the way!
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The list of busted and confirmed statements about the NASA moon landing is here:
http://mythbuster...-landing
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Should that not be: "To boldly not go where man has been before"?
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helm.
I believe his leadership was the result.
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This is ridiculous. If it was just reflection off the surface then any random point you looked at would give you a reflected signal. I don't suppose you've tried this? As was mentioned above, Mythbusters already looked into this.
Laser beams and flashlight beams aren't even remotely similar. Go look up a Gaussian beam - laser light keeps its coherence over very long distances.