After new leak, climatologist takes case to public

Phil Jones must needs to read 'Converging and diverging views' in Jaynes' Probability Theory on Bayesian Inference. Then he would know that his credibility is absent, never to be recovered, and his every utterance further damages his case.

See this link to the 3 July 2000 email that Professor Phil Jones sent:

http://foia2011.o...hp?id=65

A message with information the on report, AL GORE'S US$79 Billion GREEN POLICY, in the 12th Edition of "The Carbon Trader"

http://www.thecar...der.com/

Professor Phil Jones appeared to be forwarding a message that he received from Alistar R.G. Paton, Chairman of "The Carbon Trader."

LIFE has this picture of Alistair R G Paton, Founder and Group CEO of 'MINT' - holding the 'world's first shareholder club' card #0252 at the entrance to the club in Hong Kong on 11 May 2006.

http://www.life.c...-group-c

Yes indeed, CO2 is a global problem that plagues scientists and capitalist worldwide, even in exclusive Hong Kong clubs in communist China!

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
http://myprofile....anuelo09

Thanksgiving is a time to express gratitude that a benevolent Higher Power still controls the universe.

That is the central message in the latest update on "The Deep Roots of the Climate Scandal (1971-2011)"

http://dl.dropbox...reer.pdf

The current demise of society was apparently triggered by fear when the world faced the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation in 1962, after first witnessing the great destructive force of the nuclear explosion that vaporized Hiroshima in 1945.

Unaware of new findings that would show the same nuclear force that powered the bomb also generated our elements, gave birth to the Solar System 5 Gyr ago, and now sustains life on Earth, world leaders apparently agreed in ~1971 to use global climate change as the "common enemy" to "save the world."

The updated version of the roots of Climategate will be posted as soon as a European friend makes certain the links work on the pdf file. Until then, I can send a Word.doc on request

Title: "Fear-Based Climate Scandal Caused Society's Demise"

Concluding paragraphs: I regret the need to confront the AGW dogma with experimental observations that were ignored for an imagined greater good: To avoid the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation [7]. However as former President Eisenhower warned [5] and the life of Madam Curie [56] showed, government deception and personal freedoms are incompatible.

Now we must work together to help leaders of nations and scientific organizations accept their total powerlessness over the forces that power our stormy Sun and sustain our lives, restore integrity to science, promote world peace, avoid a return to divisive nationalism, and restore the personal freedoms guaranteed to citizens by their respective national governments, e.g., the 1776 USA Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, . . ."

www.barefootsworl...776.html

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

www.ushistory.org...ocument/

These "unalienable Rights" must be restored - and safeguards added to protect them - before confidence can be restored in political leaders and stability restored in the social order.

Y'all a bunch of cranks

Just a few OUT OF CONTEXT CLIMATEGAE2 EMAILS - Can any warming trolls read English???
<0414> Coe
Swiss researcher Heinz Wanner writes: 'In my [IPCC-TAR] review [...] I crit[i]cized [...] the Mann hockey[s]tick [...] My review was classified unsignificant even I inquired several times...I just refused to give an exclusive interview to SPIEGEL because I will not cause damage for climate science'

<3373> Bradley
I'm sure you agree--the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don't want to be associated with that 2000 year"reconstruction".

<0886> Esper
Now, you Keith complain about the way we introduced our result, while saying it is an important one. [...] the IPCC curve needs to be improved according to missing long-term declining trends/signals, which were removed (by dendrochronologists!) before Mann merged the local records together. So, why don't you want to let the result into science?

MORE CLIMATEGATE 2 EMAILS
<4369> Cook
I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly cannot be defended. He is investing too much personal stuff in this and not letting the science move ahead.

<1939> Thorne/MetO
Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary

<3066> Thorne
I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

<2884> Wigley
Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...]

MORE CLIMATEGATE 2 EMAILS CAN YOU SEE THERE ARE SOME HONEST SCIENTIST BUT THEY WERE DROWNED OUT BY THE IPPC FRAUDS!!!

"One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process",

<5055> Cook
One problem is that he [Mann] will be using the RegEM method, which provides no better diagnostics (e.g. betas) than his original method. So we will still not know where his estimates are coming from. Disgraced British climate professor, Phil Jones is mired as much as Mann for his part in the sleazy cover up.
There are 1000s of incriminating emails to see.

None so blind as he who will not see!

Lol. Look at all of you morons jumping all over these questionable messages from a few scientists to smear all climate scientists. You're a bunch of nutbag conspiracy theorists. Get over yourselves.

Just like Solyndra. One company is corrupt so you want to smear the entire solar industry. Just plain disingenuous you are. Bunch of psychotic lunatics. May you never gain positions of power.

Nothing even remotely interesting in those out of context quotes other than the fact that the Denialists are growing more desperate by the hour.

yawn.

That's an awful lot of dishonesty out there. Seems to be tied to funding and/or politics. Wouldn't it just be so much easier if world governments could just advise their citizens to not pollute the air, water, any part of the environment. Same with corporations. Tell them to use environment-friendly materials. Got to admit though, it does seem suspicious when money has to be exchanged from western societies to the third world countries, all because the west consumes so much more of everything. The west also PRODUCES most everything. But why should that "carbon footprint" money be given to others when it can be better spent in the country that is doing the polluting? To alleviate the problems, that is.

Let me see if youre honest you think that a scientist warning another is the right thing to do!

If your Vendicar_Decarian or devanate Michel Mann, Al Gore, Phil Jones etc.. This is quite acceptable as long as you get your study accepted and becomes the basis of law. If you find it so youre a CROOK and your holding the world to ransom!!! Youre much worse than the Politicians and Banksters that have ruined the worlds finances!!

The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...]

"One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process"

I also think the science is being manipulated to put a political spin on it which for all our sakes might not be too clever in the long run.

I am afraid that Mike is defending something that increasingly cannot be defended.

Vendicar_Decarian or devanate
Keep digging the hole you are running on fumes!

I'm sure you agree--the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published.
Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others.

Dr. Douglas Maraun, a scientist at the Climatic Reasearch Unit at the University of East Anglia wrote to his colleages in an e-mail on October 24, 2007.
How should we deal with flaws inside the climate community? I think, that our reaction on the errors found in Mike Manns work were not especially honest.
After the publication of the latest IPCC, the media wrote a vast
number of articles about possible and likely impacts, many of them
greatly exaggerated. However, much of this sympathy turned out to be either white washing or political correctness.

Link Correction:

Title: "Fear-Based Climate Scandal Caused Society's Demise"

http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf

http://dl.dropbox...oots.doc

Hey Vwndi my Turdy man.
Our wonderful honest government in action. it makes my heart swell with disgust, how about you?????
Phil Jones reveals the Department of Energy supports hiding temperature data: 'Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get and has to be well hidden. I've discussed this with the main funder (US Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data'

Hey Big V,
Even warmists are lamenting that Climate 2.o may be 'devastating': 'These [emails] sound worse than I thought at first their impact will be devastating'

Some more nothing to see here for you!!!!

2009> Briffa: 'I find myself in the strange position of being very skeptical of the quality of all present reconstructions, yet sounding like a pro greenhouse zealot here!' -- -- Bradley: I'm sure you agree--the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published.

V.
Some more nothing to see here. Remember these are all IPPC true bloods casting the doubt!!!

<2267> Wilson:

Although I agree that GHGs are important in the 19th/20th century (especially since the 1970s), if the weighting of solar forcing was stronger in the models, surely this would diminish the significance of GHGs. [...] it seems to me that by weighting the solar irradiance more strongly in the models, then much of the 19th to mid 20th century warming can be explained from the sun alone.

O M G!

Our wonderful honest government in action.

There is only one reason I can think of why the US, or any govt, would support such fraud: acquire more power.
The only reason companies like Enron, BP, GE, etc. support the fraud is to have a market protected by the state and not subject to competition or customers.
It certainly cannot be for economic growth and prosperity. Every action to date by the govt has been to kill energy production and put millions of people out of work.

Davecoolman is yet another example of the average Tea Party cultist. Mentally challenged and gullable especially when Fox News is on. Try reading those Emails IN context hmm.

@Davecoolman Please excuse the rudeness of my good friend Vendicar but he actually believes the scientific method is
"The scientific method involves observing the world, formulating a hypothesis about it and verifying that hypothesis in the best way possible." (Vendicar Decarian)
I informed him that the method requires that you test your hypothesis by trying to disprove it and now he says I'm an "Idiot, retard, moron , ignoramus"
The poor fellow doesn't realize his definition is actually the definition for confirmation bias. Apologies again but he really believes he must only accept research that verifies his hypothesis so if you mention real evidence he will call you terrible names. It's a shame but he really is a lovely guy and is lots of fun

I informed him that the method requires that you test your hypothesis by trying to disprove it

Crikey times have changed I guess. What happened to suggesting a hypothesis and demonstrating proof that its valid, so as to form a theory with an explanation and evidence. Then a theory can be further tested (or peer reviewed) and possibly falsified or confirmed and accepted as fact.

Still seems good to me. Vendi, your thoughts?

Happy Thanksgiving!

AGW sprouted from seeds of fear - planted on 6 Aug 1945 and nourished in a message from USSR's Khrushchev to USA's President Kennedy on 24 Oct 1962:

http://www.ibibli...jfk.html

The real issue now is finding a way to undo the damage inflicted on society from 4-5 decades of fear-based leadership:

http://dl.dropbox...ots.pdf:

http://chiefio.wo...nt-25900

Today I am grateful a Higher Power is in control!

With kind regards,
Oliver

"But why should that "carbon footprint" money be given to others" - Spirochete

What carbon footprint money?

"Vendi, your thoughts?" - BlueTard

My thoughts are that your stated desires with regard to climate science are already fulfilled.

And I continue to wait for your calculations that show that 1998 was an outlier. Why the 3 day delay?

"Davecoolman is yet another example of the average Tea Party cultist." - MarkyMark

When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?

http://nymag.com/...ag_press

Why quote half sentences Cool Tard?

Don't the full sentences tell the lie you want told?

What you quote...

"The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...]" - Cool Tard

What was really said....

"The Figure you sent is very deceptive. As an example, historical runs with PCM look as though they match observations -- but the match is a fluke. PCM has no indirect aerosol forcing and a low climate sensitivity -- compensating errors."

"I'm sure you agree--the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published." - Cool Tard

Here is the paper being commented on.

http://holocene.m...es03.pdf

Scientists are free to draw their own conclusions.

"Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others." - Cool Tard

You left out this part...

"In my opinion (based on many years of interaction with these guys), neither
Douglass, Christy or Singer are capable of admitting that their paper contained
serious scientific errors."

Christy and Singer are well known Oil Industry Shills.

Cont...

Fig. 2 , N and S hemisphere suggest a 1000 year cycle clearly supporting the MWP and little ice ages.
I can see why they did not like the paper. It doesn't support AGW.
Were Mann and Jones embarrassed into doing authentic research?

"Their "last word" will be an attempt to obfuscate rather than illuminate. They are not interested in improving our scientific understanding of the nature and causes of recent changes in atmospheric temperature. They are solely interested
in advancing their own agendas."

Odd that Cool Tard is leaving all of this context out...

Cont...

And finally Cool Tard leaves out the following comments about Chronic Liar Fred Singer and carbon industry shill Christy.

"It is telling and troubling that Douglass et al. ignored radiosonde data showing substantial warming of the tropical
troposphere - data that were in accord with model results - even though such data were in their possession. Such behaviour
constitutes intellectual dishonesty."

and again Cool Tard leaves out some important tidbits from the following.

"it seems to me that by weighting the solar irradiance more strongly in the models, then much of the 19th to mid 20th century warming can be explained from the sun alone. " - Cool Tard

In this instance the question mark at the end....

The above sentence is a question. Where is the question mark?

Here it is in context ...

"it seems to me that by weighting the solar irradiance more strongly in the models, then much of the 19th to mid 20th century warming can be explained from the sun alone. again, am I being overtly simplistic?"

Vendi turd.
Phil Jones: Im not adept enough (totally inept) with excel to do this now as no-one who knows how to is here.
Nor it seems in Matlab, R, ODL, Fortran or any other language. No wonder that he regarded someone who could calculate principal components (like Mann) as a sort of computational prodigy.

Last year, Phil was ranked one of Englands top 100 scientists. Just imagine the ranking that he could have achieved if he knew how to calculate a trend by himself.

Bob Ward: NOAA made the following statement in its report on the 2006 data:

"However, uncertainties in the global calculations due largely to gaps in data coverage make 2006 statistically indistinguishable from 2005 and several other recent warm years as shown by the error bars on the [1]global time series."
I'm not sure how to argue against this point - it appears to imply that there is no statistically significant trend in the global temperature record over the past few years.

Vendi turd.
WORLD BANK FOIA
Containing juicy bits on temperature data uncertainty but here is the info on just how fast the climate group jump when it is the World Bank who comes calling.

Professional journals and IPPC are also getting direction from the World Bank. Ex IPPC President now heads up the World Bank. And in turn dictates policy: I would not include a WG3 paragraph, like The Kyoto Protocol has led to thecreation of new market mechanisms
Robert Watson of the World Bank instructs IPPC Rajendra Pachauri what to put into the Summary for Policymakers.

The editorial columns at Science, Nature and New Scientist have rarely hidden their subjective perspectives favouring IPPC.
While Mann and Co. were stonewalling FOIAs from sceptics, it seems the ClimateTeam was very happy to give the World Bank RAW DATA! Keith Biffra, Tim Osborn, Michael Mann, Alexander Lotsch either working for the World Bank as contractors or supplying raw data and input.
All very up and up.

Vendi.
Your such a nice guy I think? Just admit it the jig is up. The world is on the brink of a financial melt down. The major powers have agreed to delay further action on climate taxation Till 2020. The Durban confab will implode. the world is starting a cooling trend likely to last 30 years. Climatoligist are uncertain & in disrepute. The public are sick to death of wind and solar power driving up the energy cost. Biofuels are driving the up cost of food as evidenced by unrest in the 3rd world. China & India build coal plants to manufacture what we use to.
When are you going to get real? By the way I'm very familiar with South Africa, I can tell you all the hot spots and the best food for the free for all stop CO2 party at the Taxpayers expense, will you be there?

Global Average Temperature GISS J-D ...

2005 14.63
2006 14.55

Which is within 1 sigma of the annual inter-year variance and therefore statistically indistinguishable.

Poor Cool Tard. He knows he can taste victory but doesn't have a clue as to what victory tastes like.

Cool Tard quotes...

"However, uncertainties in the global calculations due largely to gaps in data coverage make 2006 statistically indistinguishable from 2005 and several other recent warm years as shown by the error bars on the [1]global time series."

Hey Vendi.
You've got to admitted this is fun.

On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Kevin Trenberth wrote:

Hi Tom

How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!

Kevin

"WORLD BANK FOIAa' - Cool Tard

What followed from the Cool Tard was incoherent, context free babbling.

"The world is on the brink of a financial melt down." - Cool Tard

Well, that is what you get for voting for 40 years of borrow and spend Conservatism.

How many do you think will be murdered in the coming anarchy?

I have my list ready.

"The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!" - Cool Tard

It is a complete travesty. 4 trillion dollars spent by the U.S. to murder innocent Iraqi's and hardly a penny to monitor the earth's energy budget.

But that is what you get when you elect Conservatives who oppose science and rationality.

How Americans are lied to by Faux news.

http://www.youtub...=related

Vendi Strawman.

Deleting emails did he or didnt he A lie discredits any man!

Update: Transparency and openness appear to be the leitmotiv for climate scientists embroiled in Climategate.
One of the climate scientists affected by the email releases has spoken out today. Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia has been repeatedly hassled over claims that he deleted emails relating to freedom of information requests from climate sceptics. This morning, he again admitted deleting many emails, but said as he has said many times before that this was part of routine clear-outs of his inbox.
Guardian 2009: Jones accepted, though, that the contents of some of the emails were cause for embarrassment: "Some of the emails probably had poorly chosen words and were sent in the heat of the moment, when I was frustrated. I do regret sending some of them. We've not deleted any emails or data here at CRU. I would never manipulate the data one bit - I would categorically deny that."

"The public are sick to death of wind and solar power driving up the energy cost." - Cool Tard

With peak oil having been reached sometime around 2005,6,7, you are in for some sad times as reality continues to assert itself in your land of KookFart denialism.

Have you read this?

When Did the GOP Lose Touch With Reality?

http://nymag.com/...2011-11/

"Deleting emails did he or didnt he A lie discredits any man!" - Cool Tard

And the non stop stream of lying has discredited every Global Warming Denialist.

"This morning, he again admitted deleting many emails, but said as he has said many times before that this was part of routine clear-outs of his inbox." - Cool Tard

I just deleted several myself.

Oh the humanity.....

"We've not deleted any emails or data here at CRU." - Cool Tard

At the CRU. There is a difference between deleting emails at the CRU and deleting emails from any source.

I think I'll delete a couple more of mine right now...

Done.

Vendi.
Did you buy your Carbon Credits yet? I advise you to wait there will a 1/2 price or a 2 for one sale soon.

Routers:
Benchmark European Union carbon permits called EU Allowances were down 6.5 percent at 8.51 euros. Earlier, they hit
a fresh 33-month low of 8.45 euros.

"Selling is kicking in and there is not much buying going on," said a carbon trader at a large European utility.

"If the economy turns worse and companies go bankrupt and countries go bust, nobody is going to care about global warming and emissions trading," he said. "That's the grim reality."
JUST THE FACTS Veni!

Veni.
Did you delete Climate data this morning, I think there is a big difference between junk mail and raw climate data?

But it depends on your AGW perspective doesn't it!

"Selling is kicking in and there is not much buying going on," said a carbon trader at a large European utility.

Which is to be expected. Carbon credits are handed out by the government to the industry (for free). Due to the recession a lot more was handed out than was needed. So the companies are doing one of two things:

1) Sell off credits to make a quick buck
2) Hoard credits for future use (when allotments go down or when production picks up again) so that they don't have to invest in more efficient technologies.

We just had a report where it was estimated that 800 million Euros worth of carbon credits given (for free!) to the industry aren't being used but being converted to cash or hoarded in germany alone. How's that for a hidden subsidy?

" the world is starting a cooling trend likely to last 30 years." - Cool Tard

That is what your Denialist brothers have been saying for the last 14 years and over that time the globe has warmed by at least .14'C

No wonder you losers are getting desperate for some new material.

Veni.
I'm Still having fun are you?

Is it a case of your way (IPPC) or no way?

Spencer: 'When only one hypothesis is allowed as the explanation for climate change (e.g. 'the science is settled'), the bias becomes so thick and acrid that everyone can smell the stench'

I said I deleted Emails, and the Warming Denialist claims that I deleted climate data.

"Did you delete Climate data this morning" - Cool Tard

Clearly Cool Tard is suffering from a form of Mental Illness.

"Did you buy your Carbon Credits yet?" - Cool Tard

They are granted to net carbon producing corporations and not individuals. Tard Boy.

My focus has been on improving my consumptive efficiency.

Meanwhile your focus is on remaining a delusional fool.

Here is an Email you missed Cool Tard..

http://nsidc.org/...ires.png

Veni.
You must seek facts.
You can buy carbon credits, Your God Al Bore does all to time as he is in the 5 million miles per year flying club.

And Yes the Eu carbon credits are for sale even to Venitard.
By the way I do recycle, ride a bike to my work even though I own a fine Car. I conserve energy at home, I use public transport. Do my laundry in cold water. Air dry my laundry as often as possible. Volunteer at the food bank and soup kitchen. Do Volunteer teaching to disadvantaged kids. Teach disadvantaged kids and adults free Piano and guitar lessons. I have always believe we should look after our environment, Rivers oceans and land. What I don't like is being lied to and manipulated by the UN and socialist manifestos, disguised as save the world policy's. Stop pollution stop degradation of our land, teach and help people to eventually help them selves and I am right there, I have always been from my childhood days. but don't try and BS me or manipulate me for the UN.

"You must seek facts." - Cool Tard

http://www.youtub...Qts-8Cxo

"don't try and BS me or manipulate me for the UN." - Cool Tard

How Americans are lied to by Faux news.

http://www.youtub...=related

Vendi Can I give you a free humility lesson??

"Since RealClimate is obviously your spiritual and emotional home, Vendi, why don't you go back there instead of insulting and ranting at every other poster here?"

http://lukenewman...lity.jpg

I reserve my comments to those who deserve correction.

Your delusional comments clearly need a lot of correction Cool Tard.

Vendi.
You are a very interesting guy with a nasty and troubled history.

Vendicar Decarian or should I say Vendicar Demento say hi to Scott Nudds and Scott Douglas for me. One would expect the only roomies a troll could have is another troll or two or do you have a lot of mirrors in your little room?

Interestingly enough, vendicar or vendicare means, in italian, "to be revenged", and in latin, "decarian" means someone of a decade in age (ie, septarian, octagenarian, etc.
Or "Vendi car" means "you sell car" in Italian, and "Decarian" has a smell as in shit in a bucket. Vendi which one made you pick that name.

So, it could either be that VD Nudds is the 10- year-old avenger, the 10-year-old to be revenged, or if we use the latin entirely, a 10-year-old sale.

You know that your opponent has lost the argument when he starts to attack you personally.

Cool Tard's defeat is now complete.

You know that your opponent has lost the argument when he starts to attack you personally.

And adding 'tard' behind everyone's name is what, exactly?

By your own definition you have to date lost every single one of your arguments in the first line of your first post.

Efficient at ending arguments? Yes.
Effective at winning arguments? No.

Vendi. I am a lover of Canada Do you love Canada too?

Vendi. Do you hate Americans?
I never liked Bush and I dont like Obama because of a lot of his policys, but you seem over the top on most issues.

VD: with his call to **Torture Bush. Execute Bush. ** and on
11-28-03:
VD: "The more dead Americans in Iraq the better" --- & on 11-24-03
VD: "The world needs more dead Americans in Afghanastan & Iraq".
I recognize a fool as a fool, and a liar as a liar.
You have proven yourself to be a fool, are you a liar, if that upsets you then perhaps you should be something other than a fool and or a liar.

When it comes to truth there are no losers.
And the climate industry is neither honest or truthful.

Vendi.
I just lovin it!
More good news.
Thanks perhaps in part to Climategate 2, it is looking less like success and more like FAIL at Durban. The US has backed off and now refuses to agree to structure and funding of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) Green Climate Fund. Just the name alone juxtaposed with the UN makes you want to run from it.

http://wattsupwit...te-fund/

"And adding 'tard' behind everyone's name is what, exactly? "

An accurate classification.

Classification is the first order in science.

Know your audience.

"Vendi. I am a lover of Canada Do you love Canada too?" - Cool Tard

As a Libertarian I am a citizen of the world and associate myself willingly to no nation state.

"Vendi. Do you hate Americans?" - Cool Tard

I make a distinction between America the evil nation and Americans it's ignorant populace.

"When it comes to truth there are no losers." - Cool Tard

Correction. The truth makes losers of those who have been lying in opposition to that truth.

In this case the Global Warming Denialists.

"The US has backed off and now refuses to agree to structure and funding of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Chang" - Cool Tard

No surprise there. I could have told you that a year ago.

You just catching up?

The Republicans even refuse to do anything to ease unemployment in their own country.

They will have to be eradicated.

Isn't it great the IPCC has these conferences at places that most participants have to fly many hours, burning much fuel to get there.

I bet someone could create a model the optimizes the location that has the smallest carbon footprint, or, no should travel and it would all be accomplished over the web.

Historical reasons for the current economic decline and social unrest (1971-2011) are summarized here:

http://dl.dropbox...oots.pdf

Vendi.
We know you are a Canadian, and that's a shame because Canadians are nice people. We know that you have been polluting blog sites for more than 12 years with your foul mouth take no prisoners crap, under the names of Vendicar Decarian, Vendicar Demento. Scott Nudds. Scott Douglas.
We also know you and your radical foul mouth have been banned from other sites.
We also know the obvious you are a nasty SOB and a rabid Warmist.

Apart from all that your a golly nice Gring and very entertaining.

Now for some more good news:

Global warming rate less than feared: study
Washington (AFP) Nov 24, 2011 - High levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere may have less of an impact on the rate of global warming than feared, a study said Thursday. The authors of the study funded by the US National Science Foundation stressed that global warming is real.The last part is to keep the grants coming.

"Isn't it great the IPCC has these conferences at places that most participants have to fly many hours, burning much fuel to g
get there." - RyggTard

Since the world is a sphere and people live on that sphere, any global meeting is going to require air travel by most of the participants.

They could have it in New York of course, but no one wants to go to the U.S. out of fear of being murdered.

"I bet someone could create a model the optimizes the location that has the smallest carbon footprint" - RyggTard

Probably. Would it substantially reduce the 9 gigatonnes of excess CO2 pumped into the air every year by man?

I don't think so.

But there is nothing stopping you from ignorantly whining about it.

Vendi.
"When you reconstruct sea and land surface temperatures from the peak of the last ice age 21,000 years ago -- which is referred to as the Last Glacial Maximum -- and compare it with climate model simulations of that period, you get a much different picture," said lead author Andreas Schmittner, an Oregon State University researcher.

"If these paleoclimatic constraints apply to the future, as predicted by our model, the results imply less probability of extreme climatic change than previously thought."

Schmittner noted that many previous studies only looked at periods spanning from 1850 to today, thus not taking into account a fully integrated paleoclimate date on a global scale.

Yes I cherry picked a little but then the AGW crowd have done that since 1968. BUT they never admitted the above. This is one small step for man & a giant leap for warmists. -Congratulations Vendi!

"Global warming rate less than feared: study" - Cool Tard

Yup, a study based on a single Global Climate Model that is known to underestimate Northern warming and hence underestimate Northern Cooling as a result of removing CO2 and hence underestimate the effects of CO2 during the peak of the last ice age.

The other models will produce higher CO2 sensitivities.

Current best estimates are 3'C - 1'C (roughly) for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 levels, and then twice that for stabilization.

The land surface of the earth was mostly a desert the last time the earth's climate was 6'C warmer than today.

"We also know the obvious you are a nasty SOB and a rabid Warmist." - Cool Tard

You ain't seen nothing yet Tard Boy.

Here is a glimpse of your near future.

http://www.youtub...7z-0oo6o

Vendi.
I haven't denied Global warming. Global Cooling or Climate Change and I don't no anybody that does. I'm skeptical of the IPPC dogma and that's a whole other thing. The climate has changed since the planet formed and will continue too until our sun burns out with or without mankind. and a Co2 tax ain't gonna fix that.

Why didn't they do COP 17 in Copenhagen again it was such a smashing success apart from the Snow,ice and freezing temperatures, and of coarse the utter failure of the gabfest. That way they would save a ton money and lots of that evil trace gas CO2 commuting first class in their jets.
Why do I suggest this? because most of the radical warmist come from the EU. and would be within 2 or 3 hours by train or bicycle.

What do you think Vendi isn't that a good idea, I know you'll like the cycling part. I think we have an agreement?

Vendi. Bad news for UK warmist the BBC has been caught with her panty's down.
Details have also emerged at the close relationship between those AGW scientists and the BBC, confirming suspicions that the UKs national broadcaster is acting as an environmental activist mouthpiece for climate alarmism:

Yes, glad you stopped this I was sent it too, and decided to spike it without more ado as pure stream-of-consciousness rubbish. I can well understand your unhappiness at our running the other piece. But we are constantly being savaged by the loonies for not giving them any coverage at all, especially as you say with the COP in the offing, and being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are, there is an expectation in some quarters that we will every now and then let them say something. I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it clear that we think they are talking through their hats.
The objective impartial (ho ho) BBC. Nudge nudge, wink wink.

Vendi.
Climate forecasts 'exaggerated': Science journal

by: Amos Aikman
From: The Australian
November 25, 2011
DRAMATIC forecasts of global warming resulting from a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide have been exaggerated, according to a peer-reviewed study by a team of international researchers.

In the study, published today in the leading journal Science, the researchers found that while rising levels of CO2 would cause climate change, the most severe predictions - some of which were adopted by the UN's peak climate body in its seminal 2007 report - had been significantly overstated.

http://www.theaus...05464958

Vendi.
I have to go out and help a little squirrel find his nuts.
Good night and sleep well, knowing that disaster has been averted even as we have chatted.
God bless your Canadian warmist heart and give my regards to David Suzuki.

"The climate has changed since the planet formed and will continue too until our sun burns out with or without mankind. and a Co2 tax ain't gonna fix that." - Cool Tard

Yup, and children die all the time so it shouldn't bother you should yours be murdered.

"Why do I suggest this? because most of the radical warmist come from the EU" - Cool Tard

Of course. They have the best educated populace in the entire world.

"I have to go out and help a little squirrel find his nuts." - Cool Tard

I can think of no better person to do so.

You have truly found your calling. But I wonder based on this if you are an intellect that is capable of forming rational decisions based on the Scientific Consensus view on Global Warming.

The ease with which you have been manipulated by your Denialist handlers, and your willingness to post unsubstantiated and contextually distorted quotes from the CRU illustrates your complete lack of sensibility.

No rational person would trust a nut like you. Not even a squirrel.

Sorry Cool Tard. Nothing of the kind was stated in the study being referenced.

The newspaper known as "The Australian" is well known for it's dishonest reporting on matters of climate.

"In the study, published today in the leading journal Science, the researchers found that while rising levels of CO2 would cause climate change, the most severe predictions - some of which were adopted by the UN's peak climate body in its seminal 2007 report - had been significantly overstated." - Cool Tard

In the study, published today in the leading journal Science, the researchers found that while rising levels of CO2 would cause climate change, the most severe predictions - some of which were adopted by the UN's peak climate body in its seminal 2007 report - had been significantly overstated."

So much for fantasy.

Here is reality...

The Australian's War on Science 74: Spinning the IPCC Extreme Weather report

http://scienceblo...e_77.php

I wonder why Cool Tard always manages to find himself on the side of Liars.

Can you explain that to us? Tard Boy.

"On climate change, The Australian is behaving like the media equivalent of a fog machine. Its unreliable reporting should be avoided by those with an interest in factual scientific information."

Spinning uncertainty? The IPCC extreme weather report and the media

http://theconvers...dia-4402

Ya, it's all a conspiracy to keep you stupid.

"Details have also emerged at the close relationship between those AGW scientists and the BBC, confirming suspicions that the UKs national broadcaster is acting as an environmental activist mouthpiece for climate alarmism:" - Cool Tard

How dare the BBC actually consult real scientists?

How dare they...

Vendi.
I have several family's of Squirrels on my 10 acre mini farm along the dogs, cats, wild deer some goats and lots of Turds so I'm very familiar with the expression and the smell.
However:
Your rantings are that of a shiny eyed Eco fascist warmer and I find them so out in left field, but amusing. Sorry you didn't like the Bicycling to COP idea attractive. I thought we might have some middle ground, but you seem determined to go down with the Good ship CAGW doom and gloom. Your a good captain and like most warmist you think you are superior to the rest of us. But Vendi you will see the light one day only time will tell.

Now for your favorite pat the Good news segment:

Canadian Press, 2011;
A vast herd of northern caribou that scientists feared had vanished from the face of the Earth in 2009 due to Climate change has been found, safe and sound -- pretty much where aboriginal elders said it would be all along.

There I Knew you'd like that one, your so hard to please.

Vendi.
More Bad news for you lets see how you spin this one. Remember one shovel load of turds at a time.
0058.txt

date: Thu Oct 9 17:56:17 2008
from: Keith Briffa
subject: Re: Tom Giverin IN STRICT CONFIDENCE
to: Toumi, Ralf

Ralf

[[[redacted: reference]]]

Finally, might I ask that you note and then erase this email. I have found that recent enquiries under the Freedom of Information Act, or Data Protection Act, can become considerable time sinks , or the basis of some inconvenient subsequent distractions.
with best wishes
Keith

What is to spin? Denialists demands for information already made public were damatically reducing the rate at which these scientists could do their work.

Correctly, Brffa took steps to limit those pointless demands.

I commend him.

Vindi.
Most people reading these comments will realize you and your fellow warmist will stoop to the lowest levels and excuse any criminal behavior in order to push your failed AGW agenda.

You fell for a very simple question to see the level of your honesty and integrity, you failed miserably, but you have a track record that any body with a commuter can view your endless comments going back years the rants and twisted view of a very disconnected troubled individual. And it is against the law to erase publicly funded research, data or information.
You and the crooked scientist failed miserably the honesty test and for that there is no excuse in a word it's hypocrisy!

I guess when you lie, cheat and steal it really would suck having people remind you of what you really are.

The emails show climate scientists acting with a partiality that is alien to the scientific method.

Here a letter to the Guardian newspaper in the UK, look at the comments Hickman is bring lambasted for his Witch hunt of the Whistler-blower

As I said Vindi the TIDE has changed against the crooked AGW science & the IPPC

Mr Hickman
It is a puzzle to me that the Guardian is more interested in the identity of the Whistle blower than in the contents of the emails. Anyway others will no doubt provide a detailed analysis of the emails
Some clues to the identity of the Whistleblower
1 The person is someone of integrity
2 The person has a conscience
3 The person does not appreciate the actions of a small cabal of climate change scientists
4 The person is a respecter of the law & when they see illegality feels the need to act

So what are you looking for? So sorry to have widened the field, but you are looking for a decent human being & if you do find them let me know so that I can help them.
http://www.guardi...-message

Once you find some criminality at CRU get back to us will you? Tard Boy.

So far all you have managed to do is soil your underpants in ignorant indignation.

"Most people reading these comments will realize you and your fellow warmist will stoop to the lowest levels and excuse any criminal behavior in order to push your failed AGW agenda." - Cool Tard

While there was no criminality in Briffa asking that his email be deleted - it wasn't because you read it - there is certainly criminality in hacking into the CRU email server and the Real Climate server.

Most people reading these comments will realize you and your fellow Denialists will stoop to the lowest levels and excuse any criminal behavior in order to push your failed Anti-Global Warming agenda.

Have you been a raging hypocrite all your life, Cool Tard?

"Mr Hickman
It is a puzzle to me that the Guardian is more interested in the identity of the Whistle blower than in the contents of the emails."

And adding 'tard' behind everyone's name is what, exactly?

Its a valued club and an honour to be given even the time of day from an extraordinary mind. Make no mistake, if Vendi turns on his intellectual capability, he is a formidable force. Only fools go poking a sleeping bear with a stick.

I might go buy an electric lawnmower and, to the horror of the world, delete some personal email (just for fun)!

Vendi.
Your such a warm treasure. Your intellect is mind blowing
we will see how your crowd fare after Durban.
By the way in case you didn't notice in your tiny little one room computer hovel, the world is in financial meltdown.

With the global-warming jolly fest about to open in Durban, the CRU whistle-blower released a second tranche of Climategate emails just as tawdry and demeaning as the first.

Few outside the ranks of professional physicists consider they are able to adjudicate the science but most are capable of recognizing when an investigative procedure is flawed.

It is clear the IPCC assessment process has so many serious material defects as to put into grave doubt the soundness and reliability of any of its heavily promoted claims. Like so much of the UN, the IPCC is irredeemably corrupt and a new assessment body is needed made up scientists rather than green zealots, political placemen and celebrities.

"the world is in financial meltdown." - CoolTard

Due to Conservative Borrow and Spend economic policies.

Money is of course an illusion. It is a means of facilitating the exchange material wealth. Should the world enter into a global depression tomorrow, it will not change the amount of minerals in the ground, or the amount of minerals in circulation, nor reduce the number of chickens or cows currently on farms, or cause the car in your garage to disappear.

The material world will remain the material world, and if you have made for yourself a system of exchange where the media of exchange controls the amount of material wealth then you are a fool who deserves to suffer the results of his own foolishness.

If the invisible hand of the market has made such a system for you then it clearly needs to be constrained in it's ability to do damage to society.

"It is clear the IPCC assessment process has so many serious material defects" - Cool Tard

And to many of your conspiratorial compatriots, it is clear that there is a UFO base at Area 51.

Oh look... Another hockey stick.

As long as you continue to watch Faux news, you will continue to be a fool. Keeping you a fool is why Faux news exists.

Arctic Sea Ice Hockey Stick: Melt Unprecedented in Last 1,450 years

http://skepticals...ars.html

"the IPCC is irredeemably corrupt" - Cool Tard

They why can't you manage to find a refutation of it's science from any reputable source?

Why does NASA, the NOAA, the CRU, JAXA, and every other scientific organization in the world agree with their results?

And why are your objections to the science invariably based on politics rather than science?

Clearly your motivations are political not scientific. Your reasoning is political, not based on science. Your world view is disconnected from reality.

Clearly these are the reasons you remain a Tard.

Look Cool Tard. They have written a book about you.

Climate Change Denial
Heads in the sand

The book examines the phenomenon of climate change denial. It looks at the many techniques of literal denial, where 'skeptics' deny the evidence for man-made global warming. It exposes denial within governments, who make a lot of noise about climate change but fail to back it up with action. And it examines the denial within most of us, when we let denial prosper. This book explains the climate science and the social science behind denial.

Vendi.
You don't have a clue as to what opened the door to the worlds financial crisis or the moves made by US politicians that open the door do you? if you don't know I'll let you research it yourself. You don't even know what happened in your own country Canada that lead to PM Chrétien (a Trudeau Side kick) and the Liberals with no choice but to put Canada on an radical debt reducing austerity program. You forgot the architect of big sending, big deficits, big Government,the guy that started the whole financial mess that Canada ended up in, and the poison pill programs the Liberals put in place for the next government that happened to be Conservatives. Yes they were stupid in many respects but It was the Liberals led by a communist card carrying PM Pierre Eliot Trudeau (He was the real Cluster F***). That started the big government ball rolling. Sorry to burst your Conservative hating bubble with a few easily found facts, something your constantly short on Vendi my boy!

"You don't have a clue as to what opened the door to the worlds financial crisis or the moves made by US politicians that open the door do you?" - Cool Tard

There are two factors responsible. The first is the deregulation of the banking industry by Conservative Libertarians following the Libertarian Ideology.

And the second was the failed Libertarian Ideology of Alan Greenspan - FED Chairman - who held to the view up until the very end that the banking industry could be trusted to act in a manner that was in it's own best interest.

Here he is admitting to the failure of his Libertarian/Randite Ideology...

http://www.youtub...=related

While we are at it Cool Tard, can you explain to us why Greenspan's ideological Mentor - Ayn Raynd - who through her life proclaiming that the evidence of health effects of smoking were a scam by scientists looking to get rich and enslave the world with socialism, turned to welfare in her last days as she died from lung cancer for her life as a smoker.

http://www.youtub...ag1BmB1A

Vindi.
deregulation of the banking industry by Conservative Libertarians following the Libertarian Ideology.

So The Democrats and Clinton are now Conservatives. They started this ball rolling and you know it? Who did what about Fanny and Freddy to allow anybody with a pulse to qualify for a Mortgage, that was who exactly? I'm not letting Bush or the banksters off they were total crooks and he was a moron but you take the cake and liberty's with the facts.
They Didn't do that in your home county Canada and the housing market did not collapse and the economy is reasonably sound considering the worlds economic state.
What about Canada you didnt remark about that or were you cherry picking as usual.
By the way your IP address is in the public domain and all your nasty alias. your a loser Vendi throwing smoking or big oil in shows it, just admit it!

"Yes they were stupid in many respects but It was the Liberals led by a communist card carrying PM Pierre Eliot Trudeau (He was the real Cluster F***). That started the big government ball rolling." - Cool Tard

The following chart shows that Canadian Canadian Conservatives have been no different than their Borrow and Spend American Counterparts.

The vast majority of Canada's debt was created by Conservative Brian Mulroney as he mirrored Reagan's Borrow and Spend policies.

http://njnnetwork...inances/

The Borrow and Spend Conservative Government of Brian Mulroney took Canada's debt from 200 billion and ran it up to 600 billion in just 8 years.

It took the Liberals 4 years to get spending under control after that and at that point they reduced the Canadian Deficit from 729 billion to 520 billion.

This was echoed by Bill Clinton's economic policies that converted America's massive deficit during the Reagan and Bush years into a surplus

"Who did what about Fanny and Freddy to allow anybody with a pulse to qualify for a Mortgage, that was who exactly?" - Cool Tard

Freddy and Fanny didn't offer home ownership loans to individuals and did not decide on who and who did not qualify.

Your implication that they did, is a lie.

Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
http://www.youtub...T_cSi7Rs

Democrats, Senator Chris Dodd and Representative Barney Frank, pushed a bill through Congress to eliminate red lining and good credit history requirements for home loans. That was the beginning of the end. And, the correlation of Mr. Obama's candidacy with Wall Street is -1 on the Pearson Product Moment Scale of Correlation Coefficients. When Mr. Obama went up; we went down.

Add elimination of the Glass-Steagal act prohibiting derivatives of bad loan shares sold as Prime securities that collapsed the property market.
Just the facts!

Vendi.
In 1980 the cost of borrowing world wide was at an all time high of 21.50% this caused a huge worldwide down turn in the markets and on the governments ability to finance or borrow money
http://www.wsjpri...tory.htm]http://www.wsjpri...tory.htm[/url]

http://www.wsjpri...tory.htm]http://www.wsjpri...tory.htm[/url]
Conservatives 1984 to 1993.
In 1984 Mulroney's Conservatives inherited the fixed and escalating cost of projects and Liberal borrowing and setting up of wasteful Crown corporations that automatically had escalator clauses in them. The Conservatives took over at a bad time for the Canadian and worlds economies with lingering effects of sky-high borrowing and the fixed cost of doing government. The money borrowed by the Liberals was growing a much greater rate because of sky high prime interest could NOT be paid therefore destroying any ability to pay back or reduce an ever growing debt which was due to mainly ever increasing interest rates on the debt. Cont.

Cont..
and not due so much to fresh spending.
Therefore destroying any ability to pay back or reduce an ever-growing debt due to mainly interest rates
Mulroney did away with most of the wasteful departments and Crown corporations but was fought by a Liberal stacked Senate that delayed and vetoed many bills sent to them.
Then Trudeau Liberals disaster crown corp. the Canadian Energy Program that virtually bankrupted Alberta, BC and Saskatchewan (All resource rich western provinces) it took 20 years for their economys to turn around from that fiasco. Today they are the Powerhouses of the Canadian Economy The Quebec, Ontario based Liberals effectively wage financial war on them.
It took the Liberals 4 years to get spending under control after that and at that point they reduced the Canadian Deficit from 729 billion to 520 billion. (But it took the population 10 more years to recover their buying purchasing back and many have never recovered in the way of comparable wages) Cont..

Cont..
By further slashing failed Liberal programs turning the debt and liability over to the Providences reducing transfer payments to a trickle, increasing taxs and fees reducing the value of the Canadian dollar to 59 cents.
Yes this WAS necessary and a hard miserable time for Canadians, but should have never been need had the Liberals maintained a small fiscally prudent government in the first place. And thank you PM Pierre Eliot Trudeau for you wacky and hurtful experiment in deficits, big spending and top down governments, Canada would be so much further ahead without your insanity.
Funny enough shrinking government size is now becoming a necessity with most governments that are seeing the light!

I could have told them that when I was I grade 2.
Sad new Vendi, I really have enjoy or chit chats but I'm flying out to China on business. I will to try to keep up with the news and COP 17 and our somewhat strained relationship.
Dave.