More countries accepting homosexuality: study

May 30, 2011
A Russian policeman (R) tries to stop a man (C) hitting a gay rights activist on their attempt to hold an unauthorized rally in central Moscow, on May 28. The vast majority of countries around the world have become more accepting of homosexuality, with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries, a new study has found.

The vast majority of countries around the world have become more accepting of homosexuality, with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries, a new study has found.

The report, compiled by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, examined general trends in over 30 countries regarding their attitudes towards homosexuality, and is based on five surveys conducted in different countries between 1988 and 2008.

Approval of homosexuality increased in 27 countries and decreased in only four: Cyprus, the , Latvia and Russia, the study noted.

The growth in approval ratings was stronger than the decline.

The study rated the top five most tolerant countries regarding as the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, and Belgium, according to the survey.

The bottom half of the list consisted of seven ex-socialist states, East Asian nations, Latin American and Cyprus, South Africa, and Turkey.

In Russia, 59 percent of the population felt that homosexual behavior was wrong in 1991 compared with 64 percent in 2008, the study showed.

Map showing countries where gay marriage is legal. The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago examined general trends in over 30 countries regarding their attitudes towards homosexuality, and found more are becoming accepting

In Russia on Saturday, Moscow police detained three global gay rights leaders and dozens of Russians in a violent end to a rally that tried to stage near the Kremlin wall despite a ban.

The small crowd of young marchers was attacked by members of an ultra-Orthodox group who had successfully lobbied Moscow to ban the event.

Organizers said the three Westerners and most of 30 Russians were released after a few hours of detention.

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frajo
4.8 / 5 (5) May 30, 2011
The vast majority of countries around the world have become more accepting of homosexuality, with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries, a new study has found.
What they call "the vast majority of countries" essentially excludes Africa and Asia.
Why didn't they even mention Uganda where homosexuality is illegal and the government considers to enable the death penalty?
Of course,then they couldn't say anymore "with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries".

dogbert
2.8 / 5 (4) May 30, 2011
The vast majority of countries around the world have become more accepting of homosexuality, with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries, a new study has found.


Plainly not true based on the partial map included in the article.

The article also makes the common error of conflating tolerance of homosexuality with promotion of same gender "marriage".
Birthmark
3.7 / 5 (6) May 30, 2011
I think what they mean, is that even though in countries where gay marriage is illegal, people are accepting homosexuality more than ever before. I do agree though, it's far-fetched since there are still countries where they will arrest you, kill you, and penalize you for not turning in someone gay (by law!) and other places where people kill gays cause they find them ethically(?) corrupt. And other places (like America) where it tends to be looked down upon, specifically in the fundamentalist religious groups.

Also a HUGE thing they seemed to have left out was the evangelicals. They are a group, beyond the word diabolical. They have been funding the Ugandan proposal of killing gays.
dogbert
1.7 / 5 (6) May 30, 2011
Also a HUGE thing they seemed to have left out was the evangelicals. They are a group, beyond the word diabolical. They have been funding the Ugandan proposal of killing gays.


That is just B.S. But since the article is B.S., I suppose your comment is in keeping with the article.
ennui27
5 / 5 (1) May 30, 2011
The vast majority of countries around the world have become more accepting of homosexuality, with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries, a new study has found.
What they call "the vast majority of countries" essentially excludes Africa and Asia.
Why didn't they even mention Uganda where homosexuality is illegal and the government considers to enable the death penalty?
Of course,then they couldn't say anymore "with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries".



I noticed that right off, frajo .... like the British quip: "Storms in the channel - Europe is isolated" The authors of this see a very northern hemispheric world. Where are the billion or so folks in China? the damn-near billion in India? I guess saying "many countries" will allow them to get away with a lot - but it still leaves a bad smell.
Sean_W
5 / 5 (2) May 30, 2011
Slightly off topic but not really, why do we allow the state to licence marriages and decide if they are "legal". Quite separate from issues of age of concent or individual rights to divorce, granting rulers the right to regulate our personal relationships is truly bizarre.
dogbert
1.6 / 5 (7) May 30, 2011
Slightly off topic but not really, why do we allow the state to licence marriages and decide if they are "legal". Quite separate from issues of age of concent or individual rights to divorce, granting rulers the right to regulate our personal relationships is truly bizarre.


Governments always regulate behavior. If you propose a lack of control, you must seek anarchy.

States license many things. Everyone who obtains a license must meet licensure requirements. Generally this is seen as a good thing. Drivers cannot obtain a driver's license until they show competency in driving. Physicians must show proficiency in medical knowledge and skill to obtain a medical license, etc.

Societies have traditionally found that male/female unions tend toward stable societies. Therefore, male/female unions are encouraged with implied contractual obligations and various benefits attached to those relationships. Male/female marriage has a proven record.
Husky
5 / 5 (2) May 31, 2011
not to sound like a liveleaker, but...the map is fake and gay.

Where's china, india. The Arab world?
FrankHerbert
2.8 / 5 (98) Jun 01, 2011
Dogbert, are you willfully ignorant of facts or simply a liar?

http://www.nytime...nda.html

"Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about 'curing' homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived here in Ugandas capital to give a series of talks."

"For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how 'the gay movement is an evil institution' whose goal is 'to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.'"

I used to not believe in evil, but it seems christians are bent on making sure evil actually exists. Without them it wouldn't.
FrankHerbert
2.8 / 5 (97) Jun 01, 2011
For anyone who isn't a bigot, Rachel Maddow did a series on this subject when it was in the news.

A short introduction: http://www.youtub...=related

Exposé of involvement of Rick Warren and Republican US Congressmen in influencing Uganda's policy: http://www.youtub...amp;NR=1

More on hateful Rick Warren: http://www.youtub...=related

The absurd "therapy" this is based on: http://www.youtub...O7GqEfqI

The christo-fascists in the US need to be exposed for what they are and shamed into changing or leaving. We'll start with you dogbert.
dogbert
1.7 / 5 (21) Jun 01, 2011
FrankHerbert,

Why do you lie? Three Americans who travel to Uganda to spread hate are not in any sense representative of Christianity.

You can find bad people anywhere.
FrankHerbert
2.8 / 5 (97) Jun 01, 2011
Rick Warren is the most popular pastor in the US iirc. These are true Christians. You are looking in the mirror. Enjoy it.

Also, look up the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. It applies.

"No true Scotsman is an intentional logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim, rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it."

http://en.wikiped...Scotsman
dogbert
2.6 / 5 (8) Jun 01, 2011
These are true Christians


No, they are not. Hate is never a trait of Christianity.

There is no biblical basis for a claim to "cure" homosexuality.

In fact, you are equating a few hateful individuals with Christianity -- a plain fallacy.
FrankHerbert
2.8 / 5 (97) Jun 01, 2011
You don't get it. I'm not saying hate is an intrinsic property of christianity (though it often works out this way). What I am saying is hate does not preclude someone from being a christian. This is exactly the no true Scotsman fallacy and you keep falling into it. Please stop.

Do I get to wave away Stalin and Mao because they weren't "true socialists"?
dogbert
2.6 / 5 (5) Jun 01, 2011
You don't get it.


I do get it. You choose to paint all Christians as evil because a few individuals who claim to be Christian are evil.

I state again, there are bad people everywhere. There are even bad atheists, but you cannot claim that all atheists are bad because someone can point out a few bad ones.
emsquared
3.4 / 5 (5) Jun 01, 2011
There's not a whole lot of things that have ever made me embarrassed about being an American (W.), but that little inset map of the US above does it if anything does... Cheers, Iowa!
ennui27
3 / 5 (4) Jun 01, 2011
Terry Eagleton has a wonderful essay on Richard Dawkins' 'God Delusion'. It's premise is that Dawkins takes the religion of Jerry Falwell and expands that to all religion.

While I (mainly) agree with FrankHerbert - I fear he is falling into the same fallacy.
FrankHerbert
2.8 / 5 (94) Jun 04, 2011
I do get it. You choose to paint all Christians as evil because a few individuals who claim to be Christian are evil.

I state again, there are bad people everywhere. There are even bad atheists, but you cannot claim that all atheists are bad because someone can point out a few bad ones.


Thanks for invalidating the most powerful argument against socialism for me! I'm sure you'll stick up for socialism every time someone mentions Stalin or Mao on this site, right?
ziprar2
1 / 5 (1) Jun 04, 2011
... being an American (W.),


???
W? Wacko? Waffle? Wimp?
ennui27
5 / 5 (2) Jun 04, 2011
I do get it. You choose to paint all Christians as evil because a few individuals who claim to be Christian are evil.

I state again, there are bad people everywhere. There are even bad atheists, but you cannot claim that all atheists are bad because someone can point out a few bad ones.


Thanks for invalidating the most powerful argument against socialism for me! I'm sure you'll stick up for socialism every time someone mentions Stalin or Mao on this site, right?


Retract my last comment, sorry FrankHerbert, I have been short of the spice.
Shakescene21
3 / 5 (2) Jun 04, 2011
This so-called study of world opinions left out more than half of the world, and there is a strong selective bias to the countries that were left out. This is Propaganda, not Science.
FrankHerbert
2.7 / 5 (93) Jun 04, 2011
Frankly when it comes to this, who gives a shit about your opinion? You don't get to decide who is human and who is not. Grow up.
mrtea
5 / 5 (2) Jun 05, 2011
@FrankHerbert I'm not a Christian or religious, but your attack on dogbert is insulting and irrational. He is correct that ideologies cannot be equated with individuals, but I disagree that "Societies have traditionally found that male/female unions tend toward stable societies", because there is no way of comparing this with other kinds of 'unions' historically. Male/female unions happen because that is the way most of us are programmed by nature. Nature also produces variation. We can accept it or deny it, but being gay is as natural as being 'straight'.
mrtea
not rated yet Jun 05, 2011
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ShotmanMaslo
5 / 5 (1) Jun 05, 2011
Marriage should be abolished as a legal institution, there is no reason why personal relationships should be regulated by government in this way. This would singlehandedly solve such non-issues as gay marriage, polygamy/polyandry, human-animal marriage and who knows what else.

This is also an area where the right advocating less government intrusion and the left advocating more personal freedoms can find common ground.
ikook
not rated yet Jun 05, 2011
The vast majority of countries around the world have become more accepting of homosexuality, with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries, a new study has found.
What they call "the vast majority of countries" essentially excludes Africa and Asia.
Why didn't they even mention Uganda where homosexuality is illegal and the government considers to enable the death penalty?
Of course,then they couldn't say anymore "with the exception of Russia and other former socialist countries".



Actually it seems to me that surveying people on topics such as this would be rather difficult in countries like Uganda or China. So relax.


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