Climate scientists told to 'stop speaking in code'
May 4, 2011 By KARL RITTER , Associated Press
In this July 19, 2007 file photo an iceberg is seen off Ammassalik Island in Eastern Greenland. A new assessment of climate change in the Arctic shows the ice in the region is melting faster than previously thought and sharply raises projections of global sea level rise this century. (AP Photo/John McConnico, File)
(AP) -- Scientists at a major conference on Arctic warming were told Wednesday to use plain language to explain the dramatic melt in the region to a world reluctant to take action against climate change.
An authoritative report released at the meeting of nearly 400 scientists in Copenhagen showed melting ice in the Arctic could help raise global sea levels by as much as 5 feet this century, much higher than earlier projections.
James White, of the University of Colorado at Boulder, told fellow researchers to use simple words and focus on the big picture when describing their research to a wider audience. Focusing too much on details could blur the basic science, he said: "If you put more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, it will get warmer."
Prominent U.S. climate scientist Robert Corell said researchers must try to reach out to all parts of society to spread awareness of the global implications of the Arctic melt.
"Stop speaking in code. Rather than 'anthropogenic,' you could say 'human caused,'" Corell said.
The Arctic has been warming twice as fast as the global average in recent decades, and the latest five-year period is the warmest since measurements began in the 19th century, according to the report by the Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program - a scientific body set up by the eight Arctic rim countries.
The report emphasized "the need for greater urgency" in combating global warming. But nations remain bogged down in their two-decade-long talks on reducing emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.
The World Bank's special envoy for climate change, Andrew Steer, said the new findings "are a cause for great concern." The sea rise will affect millions in both rich and poor countries, but would particularly affect the poor, he said, because "they tend to live in the lowest lying land and have the fewest resources to adapt."
Steer said bank studies showed the costs of major flooding events on infrastructure and the economy could run into billions of dollars.
"It is clear that we are not on track in the battle against climate change," he said.
Bogi Hansen, an expert on ocean currents from the Faeroe Islands, said one problem is that scientists can come off as unsure about conclusions because they are reluctant to talk about anything with 100 percent certainty.
White, the Colorado scientist, agreed. At a news conference later Wednesday, he said those opposed to reining in fossil fuels "sow the seeds of doubt that give the people the impression that ... unless every single one of us lines up behind an idea, that decisions can't be taken."
The AMAP report will be delivered to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the foreign ministers of Canada, Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Russia, at an Arctic Council meeting in Greenland next week.
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May 04, 2011
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http://mapcenter..../us.html
Total Records: 333
Rainfall: 79
Snowfall: 1
High Temperatures: 6
Low Temperatures: 126
Lowest Max Temperatures: 112
Highest Min Temperatures: 9
Apparently, yesterday was one of the coldest May 3 since record keeping began....
May 04, 2011
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May 04, 2011
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I don't think that "dumbing down" will be productive. A patronizing attitude is seldom welcomed.
I'm all for it.
May 04, 2011
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5 ft/100 yrs = 60in/1200 months = 1 in/20 months.
People on the coast should be able to observe this, if it is true.
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May 05, 2011
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Dumbing down the argument so that even the average individual can understand science is not going to convince Americans either way ~ to convince Americans you must mention 'God' at least twice, pretend that your position is against the prevailing World View and never mention a responsible World body of any kind unless to deride it and pledge opposition [this will work in the US for either side of the debate, use the opposite tactic for non-recalcitrant (mature) countries]...
May 05, 2011
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This was peer-reviewed? I doubt it. Notice that they didn't specify a source or credit anybody. That's usually a sign of BS ahead. Do we really need to do a lesson on bouyancy again?
Using small words might sound like a good idea, but how about not using misleading and/or fearmongering headlines? That's probably what turns most people off more than anything else. People aren't dumb. The majority might not understand the details but they can tell when somebody is being disingenuous. Stories like the one above just tend to push people who might be in the middle further towards one side or the other.
The fact that the World Bank has an envoy for climate change is cause for great concern. Red flags and alarm bells should be going off unless you are blind and deaf.
May 05, 2011
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And every second they project into the future becomes exponentially uncertain as well.
Ever read "Models of Doom"? http://www.alibri...20Growth
May 05, 2011
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May 05, 2011
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With representatives in our government like Michelle Bachman and when congressional leaders say God won't let global climate change happen because he said he would never smite the earth again, I can see why you would feel that way.
IMHO, it is unfortunate that God also gave a lack of understanding that it gave humanity the power to smite the earth.
I can always hope for more signs that those who elected the brain-dead to office are now realizing that those they elected really are clueless and brain-dead.
May 05, 2011
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May 05, 2011
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The planet was cooler 235 years ago when Alexander Hamilton pulled cannon across the FROZEN Hudson River at Haarlem Heights. The Hudson hasn't frozen that hard since the 1920s.
So. We know the planet warms and the planet cools.
Why we have to invent dire prophecies to explain natural events has only one explanation. Control. Government control over the means of production.
Everything else is just so much bullshit.
May 05, 2011
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So the dairy farms are under 100m's of ice are they? Will you be providing a reference to this ridiculous an patently untrue claim?
Sure ley you understand the North Atlantic temperature anomoly was NOT global.
1776, a good year for volcanic eruptions across the globe, tends to cool the global temperature somewhat!
Government control...means of production....CONSPIRACY THEORIST ALERT!! Time to don the tin foil hats.
Bullshit....yep, you said it
May 05, 2011
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Medieval glaciation
late 1100s: Sharp fall in Camp Century ice-core 18O content signals lower temperature in North Atlantic region.
1200: Foraminifera in deep Atlantic sediments show culmination of warming trend of preceding few centuries.
1200: Beginning of increased sea ice in coastal waters of Iceland and Greenland.
1200s: Glaciers began to advance in Iceland and Greenland.
As to the 'conspiracy', when international communism (Commintern) failed, its leadership moved to the Green movement and have been biding their time ever since. Look it up.
Control of the means of production goes hand in hand with Marxism/Environmentalism. Marxists and enviros are similar, both are faith based religions.
May 05, 2011
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Thermo, you still have no first principle data or theory to support CO2 causes global warming.
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May 06, 2011
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Wudalianchi- China
Opala- Russia
Little Sitkin- Alaska
Vesuvius-Italy
Tungurahua- Ecuador
Pacayita-Guatimala
I also told you that it was a North Atlantic anomaly, so thank you for backing that up by quoting all Atlantic sources. errr...where are your global (i.e. not Atlantic) sources?
. You omitted to mention that the Russian winter of 1776 was quoted at the time as being the mildest winter ever known.
Oh, and thank you also for backing up my assertion that you are, if I may say so politely, a conspiracy theorist nutjob.
...and where are your links to the plainly ridiculous assertion that the dairy farms are under "100ms of ice" ?
May 06, 2011
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I also went out to look for the dairy farms that he claims were buried under 100s or meters of ice. What I found instead is that some dairy farms were buried under a thin layer of blowing sand that has frozen into tundra. Hmmmmmm.... I wonder if Shootist can't tell the difference between a thin layer of blowing sand and 100s of meters of ice? If that is true and he is confused by those two concepts, does that mean his "keen insight" into climate science could be a bit confused? Get ready for the barrage of conspiracy theories.
May 07, 2011
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"Hello darkness my old friend...."
Yes, it's the Sound of Silence. Just goes to show the climate change deniers are intent on blatant lies and misinformation to get their crackpot views across.
Come on Shootist, show me the links, show me the links!
May 08, 2011
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The lesson from this is that we know that climate will be warmer in the future. That warming will mean more water in the skies (humidity). That humidity will cause more extreme weather, like floods and hurricanes.
Now, what can we do to prevent climate warming further? We must stop and reverse CO2 (and other) pollution. For example soot is a big reason arctic ice and snow are melting faster.
May 08, 2011
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Of course it is natural as humans are a part of nature.
Where is your data?
Predictions using CO2 as the culprit have failed.
The climate has been warming for 10000 years melting the ice sheets that covered half of the Northern Hemisphere.
May 08, 2011
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Somehow, Chicken Little manages to ignore that fact.
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Postma's paper is a complete joke. If you read it with any understanding of atmospheric physics, you see that the holes in it are gaping wide and ridiculous. If that's what you consider to be science, or a good refutation of actual science, I'm afraid you're completely lost.