Tungsten dust cloud: New radical idea proposed to clean up space junk
April 13, 2011 by Bob Yirka
Schematic illustration of the orbital dust deployment. See http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.1401
(PhysOrg.com) -- Anyone who has been following space flight knows we have a big problem on our hands; one that is growing worse every year. Its space junk, the detritus left over from fifty years of both manned and unmanned space missions that has grown, like the islands of junk out in the middle of our major oceans, into a major navigational hazard. But now, there is a new proposal to create a cloud of tungsten to bring it all down.
The idea, dreamed up by Gurudas Ganguli and his colleagues at the US Naval Research Laboratory, and published in arXiv, involves carting tons of tungsten (in dust form) into space and spreading it around such that it would eventually form a thin cloud covering the whole planet. The tungsten, would then adhere to the space junk, causing it to become heavy enough (because it is a seriously heavy metal) to fall back towards Earth where it would burn up upon reentry.
The scheme is aimed at the tiny bits of junk; those smaller than 10 cm across that are too small to be tracked, and thus avoided by still functioning spacecraft; likely numbering in the hundreds of thousands, these small pieces of junk pose a serious risk to satellites, manned missions and the development of new space technology.
Many schemes and ideas have been tossed around for nearly as many years as weve been polluting the space above our outer atmosphere; the Russians are currently working on a project that would involve deploying a space pod with a nuclear powered ion drive that would fly around knocking stuff back down to Earth. NASAs most recent proposal involves shooting at the stuff with lasers, while DARPA envisions giant nets that would gather the stuff together where it could then be dealt with in some reasonable fashion.
The problem with the tungsten solution, and in fact all of the recent proposals, is that they have downsides that keep them from being used. The tungsten idea for example, could conceivable wind up polluting outer space even more than it is now if the tungsten coalesces onto itself to form balls that float around up there and dont fall back to Earth, giving us a Saturn like ring.
Its also likely that the eventual solution wont come from a government or one of its agencies, but from the brain of someone who sees dollar signs in trash collection, just as has been done down here in the real world for thousands of years.
More information: A Concept For Elimination Of Small Orbital Debris, Gurudas Ganguli, Christopher Crabtree, Leonid Rudakov, Scott Chappie, arXiv:1104.1401v1 [physics.space-ph] http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.1401
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Apr 13, 2011
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Wow.
It's not the added mass that would cause objects to fall. It's the change in momentum from hitting the cloud's particles.
Too bad it would also make it impossible to put new satellites in orbit (among myriad other problems).
Anyway, I've heard plenty of dumb ideas in my time, but this is one of the dumbest!
Apr 13, 2011
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- It's a demonstrably stupid idea.
- It will cost billions and billions of dollars.
- It is guaranteed to fail spectacularly while producing tons of unforeseen consequences to justify even BIGGER boondoggles to clean them up.
My guess is that the Obama administration is stockpiling powdered tungsten even as we speak.
Apr 13, 2011
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and why would there be reason to assume that the tungsten particles will adhere to anything? electrostatic force?
DUMB IDEA
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I think he addressed that issue in his post...
as we all know it is the Kepler equations that most closely simulate orbital paths.
Apr 13, 2011
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Solar powered of course!
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This has GOT to be the dumbest idea since...well...ever,
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Then BUILD A ABU DABI SIZED ROCKET AND SEND THE CANNONS TO ORBIT AND THEN SHUT THAT F:... GARBAGE DOWN.
This looks more cost effective, no?
ARE THIS GUYS F.... RETARDED?? HUMM OR WHAT?
WHAT?
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designed it years ago...
exploit the forces and other things...
and is doable, withotu polition without ignoring physics, and so on... its quite elegant.
but i am not approved, and have no credentials.
so i must have nothing.. its an out of hand judgement
and a wall you cant break through.
meahwhile, to look at the list from russia, darpa, and nasa.. you realize that the best phd minds are so morubund that they have run out of ideas to copy...
So basically the best researchers in the world, and all they can come up with is bumper cars (russia), flash Gorden (lasers), and tuna fishermen (the giant unworkable net).
how about a much better idea which doesnt use a lot of material, which exploits the forces and all that, and cleans it all safely, and without polution, advanced targeting systems and problems like how to make a net stay open...
sigh...
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Does anyone know what the byproducts would be from just the tungsten cooking off upon re-entry? Since there are huge toxicity & health issues involved in the new "green ammo" using tungsten.
I know some very bright people in the military, but this is so "Military Intelligence" that it's not even funny!
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There are dumber ideas such as putting up spent nuclear fuel dust.
Apr 19, 2011
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Ha! It still is an oxymoron.. And this article proves that once more..
Apr 20, 2011
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Even the military has stopped using "green" tungsten ammo for those and other environmental reasons. National Park Service no longer uses it either and some other world armies are doing the same. They have found toxic, health and environmental problems with it. Now some idiot wants to circle the planet with it...
Apr 20, 2011
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High temperatures and oxygen in the atmosphere upon re-entry would oxidize it.
Apr 25, 2011
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Well, since we are all coming up with solutions to this problem, I might have one, Not very cost effective, but it just... might... work...
SPACE SHUTTLES WITH GIANT BUTTERFLY NETS!!!!!
There's my idea for the govt that may be accepted due to its retarded nature... Check please!
Silver out.