Astronomers detect echoes from the depth of a red giant star
Credit: SAp/CEA
(PhysOrg.com) -- Today an international team of astronomers reports the discovery of waves inside a star that travel so deep that they reach the core. The discovery was published in the renowned journal Science, and was possible thanks to precise measurements with the Kepler space telescope.
Waves traversing stars, similar to sound waves here on Earth, were already known to exist, but up to now only waves in the outer part of the star were observed. They travel hundred thousands of kilometers deep, and at a certain depth the stellar material gets too dense to penetrate so that the waves bounce back to the surface. The team now unexpectedly found the signature of waves that run all the way to the center of the star.
Astronomers love this kind of waves, or stellar oscillations as they call them. Just like a doctor listens to the sound of your heart to make a diagnosis, or like seismologists use earthquakes on Earth to probe the inside of our planet, the scientific discipline of asteroseismology studies stellar oscillations to draw a detailed picture of stellar interiors. The detection of waves that are able to sense the conditions in the core of a star opens a window to an inferno which otherwise would remain unreachable and hidden.
The discovery was made in a red giant star. These are elderly stars which our Sun will become in about 5 billion years. By that time our Sun will have inflated more than 10 times its current size, and will be about 50 times brighter. At the same time its color will have changed from yellowish to reddish, hence their name.
Having a view into the core of these red giants will teach us exactly what will happen to our Sun when it grows older., says Paul Beck, a PhD student at Leuven University in Belgium. Paul is one of the many young researchers that are given the opportunity to work with Kepler data. He, Tim Bedding of The University of Sydney, and Marc-Antoine Dupret from the University of Liège were the first to notice that some oscillations seemed to behave differently, out of key. After comparing the observations with theoretical models, they soon realized that they were looking at waves that feel the conditions in the heart of the star.
At the starʼs surface the oscillations manifest themselves as patches where the temperature changes slightly, more or less periodically over time. Overall, this causes tiny variations in the brightness the star, and after the light traveled for hundreds of years through empty space these changes are now carefully recorded by NASAʼs space telescope Kepler.
The team that made the discovery is part of KASC, the Kepler Asteroseismic Science Consortium, currently one of the largest consortia in astronomy, consisting of more than 440 astronomers specialized in probing stellar interiors. Its headquarters are located in Aarhus, Denmark. Astronomers of all over the world are taking part in this huge effort to exploit Kepler data to better understand the interiors of stars, says Hans Kjeldsen of Aarhus university, the coordinator of KASC. The measurements provided by Kepler are so incredibly precise that we see things we never saw before. Itʼs like traveling in a whole new world.
The spacecraft is expected to operate for at least another 2 years, and will continue to measure the same stars, making the datasets better every day. For sure to be continued.
More information: Kepler-Detected Gravity-Mode Period Spacings in a Red Giant Star, Science, DOI:10.1126/science.1201939
Provided by Leuven university
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Oh Snap.
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P. Toth,"Is the Sun a pulsar?" Nature 270 (1977) 159 - 160
www.nature.com/na...9a0.html
C. A. Rouse, "Evidence for a small, high-Z, iron-like solar core," Astronomy & Astrophysics, 149 (1985) 65-72.
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O. Manuel, "Neutron Repulsion," The APEIRON Journal (2011) in press.
arxiv.org/pdf/1102.1499v1
Mar 18, 2011
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"For sure to be continued."
Here's a link to "Isotope ratios in Jupiter confirm intra-solar diffusion", Meteoritics & Planetary Science 33, A97 (1998) 5011.
www.lpi.usra.edu/...5011.pdf
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo
Mar 18, 2011
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Mar 18, 2011
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Mar 18, 2011
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You must not be referring to me, as I'll give omatumor 5s for posts that warrant it. I'm also not silent. In fact when Omatumor recently repeated his claim (for the hundredth time) about isotope ratios in Jupiter, I pointed out that a more careful analysis of the data directly contradicted him (see the last March 4th comment in www.physorg.com/n...ain.html ). If omatumor was actually interested in "engaging in discussion and backing up [his] ideas," he would have responded.
Mar 18, 2011
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a.) The experimental data released by the NASA Administrator, Dr. Dan Goldin, in response to my question to him in January 1998, and
b.) The analysis that concludes the Galileo probe found following evidence for "strange xenon" in Jupiter, with
(Xe-136)/(Xe-134) = 1.04 +/- 0.06
www.omatumr.com/D...Data.htm
By comparison, (Xe-136)/(Xe-13 4) ~ 0.80 in the solar wind that pours from the top of the Sun's atmosphere, and
(Xe-136)/(Xe-13 4) ~ 1.04 in the "strange xenon" found to accompany all primordial He at the birth of the solar system.
"Elemental and isotopic inhomogeneities in noble gases:
The case for local synthesis of the chemical elements",
Transactions Missouri Academy Sciences 9, 104-122 (1975).
"Strange xenon, extinct super-heavy elements, and
the solar neutrino puzzle", Science 195, 208-209 (1977).
"Solar abundances of the elements",
Meteoritics 18, 209-222 (1983), etc.
Mar 18, 2011
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Thank you for your message and for noticing efforts to distract the discussion away from science.
Please let me know if you need directions to a separate Yahoo discussion group on "Neutron Repulsion"
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Sorry, you need to take a LEFT turn to get to 9/11 conspiracy proofs.
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Mahaffy, P.R., H. B. Niemann, A. Alpert, S. K.Atreya, J. Demick, T. M. Donahue, D. N. Harpold, and T. C. Owen, Noble Gas Abundance and Isotope Ratios in the Atmosphere of Jupiter from the Galileo Probe Mass Spectrometer, JGR Planets 105, 15061 - 15071 (2000)
www-personal.umich.edu/~atreya/Articles/2000_Noble_Gas.pdf
Despite your devotion to the data from Dr. Goldin, Mahaffy et al were the ones that took a mass spectrometer virtually identical to the one on the Galileo spacecraft and calibrated it by subjecting it to the same pressure and temperature regime experienced by the Galileo probe's mass spec as it plunged into the Jovian atmosphere.
This more careful analysis shows a lower value of (Xe-136)/(Xe-134) = 0.84 +- 1.54
Two things of note here, the approximately solar value of .84 and the huge uncertainty estimate.
Mar 22, 2011
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(Xe-136)/(Xe-134) = 0.84 +/- 1.54
DOES NOT DISAGREE WITH
(Xe-136)/(Xe-134) = 1.04 +/- 0.06
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Not at all. It appears that you have not analyzed isotope data or had any experience with error propagation in the process of data reduction.
Mar 24, 2011
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Then the lab instructor proclaims that she played a trick on them. The chips were baked at too high a temperature and on a slight incline due to an improperly positioned rack during an annealing step. The chips are not perfectly rectangular, they are parallelograms.
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"Elemental and isotopic inhomogeneities in noble gases: The case for local synthesis of the chemical elements", Trans. Missouri Acad. Sci. 9, 104 122 (1975)
"Strange xenon, extinct superheavy elements and the solar neutrino puzzle", Science 195, 208-209 (1977)
"Isotopes of tellurium, xenon and krypton in the Allende meteorite retain record of nucleosynthesis", Nature 277, 615-620 (1979)
"Heterogeneity of isotopic and elemental compositions in meteorites: Evidence of local synthesis of the elements ", Geokhimiya (12) 1776-1801 (1981)
" Solar abundance of the elements", Meteoritics 18, 209-222 (1983)
That is why He-rich carbonaceous inclusions of meteorites (diamonds) and in Jupiter's He-rich atmosphere both have:
(Xe-136)/(Xe-134) = 1.04 +/- 0.06
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Mar 25, 2011
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Your comments suggest otherwise.
If you have in fact published any of your analysis of isotope data, please post a complete reference to those/that paper.
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Thanks for confirming what I long suspected: All fluff, no substance.