China to step up efforts to control Mother Nature

Dec 17, 2010
File photo shows a cloud-bursting rocket being launched from a mobile unit in Jian, eastern China's Jiangxi province. China plans to step up a weather-manipulation programme that has stirred debate about tinkering with Mother Nature, state media said on Friday.

China plans to step up a weather-manipulation programme that has stirred debate about tinkering with Mother Nature, state media said on Friday.

Zheng Guoguang, director of the China Meteorological Administration, said chronic in parts of the country will worsen in the decades ahead and "thus we need to control the weather," Xinhua news agency reported.

China last year began to set aside a special budget for weather-control activities, and spending grew 19 percent in the first 10 months of this year to 114 million dollars, the report said.

Such activities will be expanded to combat such as droughts, "explore airborne water resources, improve the ecological environment," and secure stable water supplies for cities, industry and agriculture, Xinhua said, citing the administration's plans.

China has increasingly relied on weather-changing methods in recent years, both for political reasons and to address frequent droughts.

It fired chemical-laden "rain dispersal rockets" over Beijing to wring moisture out of threatening and clear the capital's smoggy skies for the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony in August 2008.

Cloud-seeding typically involves firing substances such as silver iodide, salts and dry ice into the sky, which bring on the formation of larger raindrops. But the technique has sparked controversy.

It did the same ahead of the October 2009 60th National Day celebrations in the capital, which were headlined by a nationally televised military parade touting the country's rise.

Cloud-seeding typically involves firing substances such as , salts and dry ice into the sky, which bring on the formation of larger raindrops.

But the technique has sparked controversy.

Beijing residents griped about flight delays, traffic snarls, cancelled classes and other inconveniences of a surprise heavy snowstorm in November 2009 that was artificially induced and was the city's earliest snowfall in 20 years.

Some experts also have said more research must be done into the potential effects of repeated use of such methods.

Chinese authorities divulge few details about weather-control efforts and repeated AFP requests for access to the programme have been refused.

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NotAsleep
5 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2010
But this study just came out:

http://www.physor...snt.html

So does cloud seeding work or doesn't it?
Skepticus
1 / 5 (3) Dec 17, 2010
But this study just came out:

http://www.physor...snt.html

So does cloud seeding work or doesn't it?


According to the reports so far, it doesn't work for Western scientists. The Chinese must know something they don't. Or the western scientists are muzzled from reporting success, which could have all sorts of military implications. Imagine calling up rain and storm on the enemy on demand, in co-ordination with your force deployment..!
NotAsleep
not rated yet Dec 17, 2010
Western militaries are the most capable of poor-weather operations... the best option for China would be a broad daylight attack on Christmas morning so please tell me you were kidding
Cave_Man
5 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2010
weather manipulation does work but only using certain chemicals that they will never admit to using because their toxicity in humans is well documented. one of these is an aluminum compound, im not sure which they are currently using and it matters very little because the compound will oxidize and metabolize significantly before it works its way through the atmosphere and food chain.

one has to wonder whether aluminum dispersion is intentional or if it is just a byproduct of jet engine wear and tear slowly releasing the aluminum during flights.

soil concentrations of aluminum have gone up around 1000% in the last decade and cases of Alzheimer's disease have increased almost 2000%.....once again the govt and airlines have fucked us royally!
Cave_Man
not rated yet Dec 17, 2010
the stuff im referring to above is a GLOBAL phenomenon not localized to any particular country since obviously jets fly EVERYWHERE. (one interesting conspiracy movie is "What in the world are they spraying" but i feel that movie is more about crying wolf and fear mongering than any kind of progressive movement to understand what they are doing and why and push for alternatives to this kind of thinking.

why not just make your population more efficient instead of 'stealing' water that may otherwise rain down in another country that needs it but doesn't have millions of dollars to spend dumping poisons into the air.
neiorah
not rated yet Dec 17, 2010
China needs to work on the amount of pollutants they put into the atmosphere. Do they care if all they are producing is large amounts of acid rain which will eventually enter and pollute the oceans? Stupid.
Skepticus
not rated yet Dec 17, 2010
Western militaries are the most capable of poor-weather operations... the best option for China would be a broad daylight attack on Christmas morning so please tell me you were kidding

You are right that Western powers are on top re bad weather military operations. But it makes one wonders about the Chinese throwing hundreds of millions into a questionable technology? The Chinese are obsessed with money from the first breath they took, so what gives with this "folly"? This tells me we don't get the full picture of weather modifications technology of Western powers. History shows a lot of black tech are operational decades before they are declassified. Considering their transparency record, I'd be surprised at all if they are lying through their teeth and deny they don't have anything nor any control techniques on the weather!
Raveon
2 / 5 (1) Dec 17, 2010
Didn't they invent the concept of Yin and Yang? They must know that if they make their weather better, they are going to make someones else worse. I think they know and don't care.
socean
not rated yet Dec 18, 2010
The idea that countries can exclusively "own" the airspace above them is outdated. Obviously, we now understand that the weather in China, or anyplace else, is not an entirely local phenomena.

What if we find that cloud-seeding in China, somehow begets another Katrina or a drought in our farm-belt? Will we sue them for damages? If they still persist, will we consider it an act of war?

The global weather system should not be purposely altered by individual countries.

We need treaties to bring these issues into focus and provide international regulations.

The international scientific community may need to invest more in understanding the likely effects of these activities than the Chinese do in creating them.

geniusW
not rated yet Dec 18, 2010
Last I heard, silver isn't cheap, dispersing it must not be cheap either.
beelize54
1 / 5 (2) Dec 18, 2010
These Chinese are just doing things more worse, because they missed the nature of their problem. They've droughts not because their air has too low number of nucleation centers - but because it has them too many, because of smog and pollution of atmosphere. In such air the water condenses in too sparse clouds and its droplets aren't able to fall because of gravity.
cmn
not rated yet Dec 19, 2010
Didn't they invent the concept of Yin and Yang? They must know that if they make their weather better, they are going to make someones else worse. I think they know and don't care.


That was f'n hilarious. :) So, you're saying that because they invented the Yin Yang, they know they're going to make the weather worse someplace else? :) Makes perfect sense to me.
gmurphy
4.3 / 5 (3) Dec 19, 2010
The reason the West is behind China on weather manipulation tech is because the people responsible for changing the weather will get sued into the next mellenium by anyone inconvenienced by the abnormal weather. Totalitarian governments don't have the same problem.
TAz00
5 / 5 (2) Dec 19, 2010
Meanwhile, Africa is getting dryer than ever... GJ China
_nigmatic10
not rated yet Dec 20, 2010
The dream of controlling the weather has always existed with man. Yesterdays religious sacrifices are today's experiments with chemicals.
stvnwlsn
not rated yet Dec 24, 2010
Google HAARP and decide for yourself.

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