Amazon fires stir bitter dispute over who is to blame

Amazon fires stir bitter dispute over who is to blame
This Aug. 15, 2019 satellite image from Maxar Technologies shows closeup view of a fire southwest of Porto Velho Brazil. Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, a federal agency monitoring deforestation and wildfires, said the country has seen a record number of wildfires this year as of Tuesday, Aug. 20. (Satellite image ©2019 Maxar Technologies via AP)

As fires raged in the Amazon rainforest, the Brazilian government on Thursday denounced international critics who say President Jair Bolsonaro is not doing enough to curb massive deforestation.

The growing threat to what some call "the lungs of the planet" has ignited a bitter dispute about who is to blame during the tenure of a leader who described Brazil's rainforest protections as an obstacle to .

The president's defiance came as its own federal experts reported a record number of wildfires across the country this year, up 84 percent over the same period in 2018. Satellite images show smoke from the Amazon reaching across the Latin American continent to the Atlantic coast and Sao Paulo, Brazil's biggest city, according to the World Meteorological Organization.

On Thursday, Bolsonaro said there was a "very strong" indication that some non-governmental groups could be setting blazes in retaliation for losing state funds under his administration. He did not provide any evidence.

Bolsonaro, who won election last year, also accused of exploiting the fires to undermine his government.

"Most of the media wants Brazil to end up like Venezuela," he said, referring to political and economic turbulence in the neighboring South American country.

Amazon fires stir bitter dispute over who is to blame
This Aug. 15, 2019 satellite image from Maxar Technologies shows overview of fires southwest of Porto Velho, Brazil. Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, a federal agency monitoring deforestation and wildfires, said the country has seen a record number of wildfires this year as of Tuesday, Aug. 20. (Satellite image ©2019 Maxar Technologies via AP)

London-based Amnesty International blamed the Brazilian government for the fires, which have escalated international concern over the vast rainforest that is a major absorber of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

The rights group this year documented illegal land invasions and arson attacks near indigenous territories in the Amazon, including Rondonia state, where many fires are raging, said Kumi Naidoo, Amnesty's secretary general.

"Instead of spreading outrageous lies or denying the scale of deforestation taking place, we urge the president to take immediate action to halt the progress of these fires," Naidoo said.

The WWF conservation group also challenged Bolsonaro's allegations about NGOs, saying they divert "the focus of attention from what really matters: the well-being of nature and the people of the Amazon."

Amazon fires stir bitter dispute over who is to blame
This Aug. 15, 2019 satellite image from Maxar Technologies shows a fire and cleared land southwest of Porto Velho Brazil. Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, a federal agency monitoring deforestation and wildfires, said the country has seen a record number of wildfires this year as of Tuesday, Aug. 20. (Satellite image ©2019 Maxar Technologies via AP)

Brazil contains about 60 percent of the Amazon rainforest, whose degradation could have severe consequences for global climate and rainfall. Bolsonaro, who has said he wants to convert land for cattle pastures and soybean farms, won office after channeling outrage over the corruption scandals of the former government.

Citing Brazil's apparent lack of commitment to fighting deforestation, Germany and Norway have decided to withhold more than $60 million in funds earmarked for sustainability projects in Brazil's forests.

Amazon fires stir bitter dispute over who is to blame
In this Aug. 20, 2019 drone photo released by the Corpo de Bombeiros de Mato Grosso, brush fires burn in Guaranta do Norte municipality, Mato Grosso state, Brazil. Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, a federal agency monitoring deforestation and wildfires, said the country has seen a record number of wildfires this year. (Corpo de Bombeiros de Mato Grosso via AP)

Filipe Martins, an adviser to Bolsonaro, said on Twitter that the Brazilian government is committed to fighting illegal deforestation and that many other countries are causing environmental damage.

The Amazon will be saved by Brazil and not "the empty, hysterical and misleading rhetoric of the mainstream media, transnational bureaucrats and NGOs," Martins said.


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Aug 22, 2019
One Brazilian president decided to throw mankind's future a curve ball . . .

Aug 23, 2019
These rightwingnuts are doing damage that can never be fixed. In many spheres. It's a shame that people believe them when they're all using the same script to game democratic political systems.

Aug 23, 2019
Our Living World and Climate is being wasted by a bunch of INCOMPETENT MORONS !

Aug 23, 2019
Seems like it's being wasted by a bunch of criminals committing crimes against humanity. Time to start arresting them. I can't believe the idiots who light fires just because they're firebugs; the ones who light them for profit need to be lined up against walls and shot pour encourager les autres. Maybe they need to torture them before they shoot them.

Aug 23, 2019
Hard words. Even thought the situation sucks I wouldn't start anarchy and randomly torturing and shooting people. We need the obey the same laws as they do. If burning rain forest is ok in Brazil and there's no international treaties or laws against it, it's out of our hands to do anything else than trying to convince Brazilians do otherwise.

Aug 23, 2019
Reported for encouraging violence against people of colour in Brazil.
And Corezz is correct.

Aug 23, 2019
Then let the ICC put them in prison for life. Because someone, sometime, is gonna give those tribes guns, and then it's really out of our hands.

Bolsonaro is an aborted pig fetus. Worse than Trump.

Aug 23, 2019
This shit is gonna get real real hard. They're gonna start summarily executing envirocriminals. These countries don't have rule of law like we do in Western countries; they're used to doing whatever the fuck they want, and when they start burning the Amazon, there aren't a lot of good choices left.

Aug 23, 2019
Then let the ICC put them in prison for life. Because someone, sometime, is gonna give those tribes guns, and then it's really out of our hands.

First there should be laws that the Brazilians are breaking. As i said, burning down a forest is not necessarily criminal. It is surely being done all over the world every single day.

Aug 23, 2019
mitigating climate change

may be
may be, this is just a maybe, mind
these fires
might be entangled in environmental tree protection
because
ask yourself, if you log these trees
instead of burning these trees
you can sell this wood
where this wood is turned into furniture
where this carbon is stored in this furniture for a lifetime
there by mitigating climate change

but this is just a may be, mind

p.s. there is this theory, that if you log trees, turn them into furniture while growing more trees on the logged land, this creates a constant removal of carbon there by constantly mitigating climate change, but this is just a theory, mind

Aug 23, 2019
You are assuming they respect the rule of law. They don't, and they are using it to pwn you for money and destroying the air you need to breathe.

These rightwingnut wreckers are going to find people in the forest they're going to deeply regret meeting.

Aug 23, 2019
Understand, I'm not advocating this; I'm just saying what's going to happen when the backlash comes. And there's not going to be much to do about it; what I am advocating is that nothing should be done about it. Give the tribesmen grenade launchers and mortars and train them how to use them. Then turn around and walk away. Simply that.

Aug 23, 2019
You are assuming they respect the rule of law. They don't, and they are using it to pwn you for money and destroying the air you need to breathe.

Yes, Brazil has a law and a court system. Do you have a source for your arguments that Brazilians don't follow the law?

If you are honestly saying that we should kill people who break no laws, you are the crazy here. Even if we were killing people who broke some laws, we need to do it through a court system, not by our own hand. If we want people to follow the rules, we must follow the rules too.

Aug 23, 2019
Deforestation and Topsoil Erosion

If, this is a big if, mind
Brazil, deforests these rain forests
burning them to the ground
the reason these forests grow on this land, this land is to poor for any other plants
by burning these trees to the ground
if we negate the lost profits in the process
this poor land, denuded of all vegetation
its topsoil erodes, blowing in the wind

leaving a barren wasteland
after another futile attempt by poverty stricken farmers
trying to grow crops in this infertile soil
next year these farmers leave their old fields
go into the forest and burn more forest down

p.s. these rules protecting these forests from logging, leave these poverty stricken farmer no alternative, they cannot log, sell and plant these trees to make a viable living, they have to burn these trees down instead, what everyone is intending to do with this deforested infertile land where this topsoil is eroded, may be, they will buy camels from Arabia to live on this Brazilian desert

Aug 23, 2019
Granville, you do know that burning down forests makes the land more fertile?

Aug 23, 2019
Who's "we?" I ain't advocating any killing. I'm just telling you where it's going to wind up.

Aug 23, 2019
Who's "we?" I ain't advocating any killing. I'm just telling you where it's going to wind up.


You ain't? Remember this:

I can't believe the idiots who light fires just because they're firebugs; the ones who light them for profit need to be lined up against walls and shot pour encourager les autres. Maybe they need to torture them before they shoot them.


You are saying that people NEED to be put against wall and shot, maybe even tortured before shot. If that's not advocating, I don't know what is.

Aug 23, 2019
Just tellin' you what I see. If they burned your land and your house, what would you do? Especially if you lived in Brazil and the President was egging them on. And nobody was investigating anything.

Aug 23, 2019
This Last Trees Epitaph
Here I stood, here I fell, here I grew, these billions years - but now I'm simply ashes on this ground

This Brazilian Desert
Log, log and log again
Log these Brazilian forests with logged tracks so wide and long
It's possible to see right across Brazil
For as these loggers leave upturned tree roots in their wake
These loggers plant fresh saplings in their wake
For long before these inroads in these forests doth make
These saplings will mighty Brazilian trees make
For these loggers to therefore log
Thereby negating these massive deforestations
So that these ancient forests wildlife remains undisturbed
As it has, these billion years hence

Or you can just carry on with this outdated philosophy of tree protection
Protect these Brazilian trees to these last ashes of this trees epitaph

This Last Trees Epitaph
Here I stood, here I fell, here I grew, these billions years - but now I'm simply ashes on this ground

Aug 23, 2019
- But now I'm simply ashes on this ground -
cortezz> Granville, you do know that burning down forests makes the land more fertile?

Until these poverty stricken farmers have used up this trees fertiliser
- It has to be constantly replenished - with more trees - more ashes -

Which, cortezz
Comes to
This Last Trees Epitaph

Here I stood, here I fell, here I grew, these billions years - but now I'm simply ashes on this ground

Aug 23, 2019
Just tellin' you what I see. If they burned your land and your house, what would you do? Especially if you lived in Brazil and the President was egging them on. And nobody was investigating anything.

You must be some kind of a legolas with elven eyes. Speaking in passive terms about need of murdering people is pretty far from describing something currently seen.

I cannot say what Brazilian version of me would do but the current me wouldn't go on a murder and torture rampage.

Aug 23, 2019
OK. I hope that never gets tested for you. Good luck.

Aug 23, 2019
In Traditional Japanese Poetic Haiku

This Brazilian
deforested and eroded
rain forest

Which in time
comes to
This Last Trees Epitaph

Here I stood
here I fell
here I grew

These billions years
fore now I'm simply ashes
on this ground

Maybe cortezz
We should all write in
poetic haiku form

In memory
these last remaining ashes
This Brazilian forest

Aug 23, 2019
Wow.
Just watch how the Chicken Shites bray. The loudest of course is Da Schitts, the knob gobbler. All while his gob is full of man meat.
Tell us Chicken Shites, how much forests in the US was decimated for cattle and soybean production?
How much CO2 and methane has and continue to be emitted by the US?
Why should Brazil pay the price?

All of this is to force China back to importing US soy.

So, keep braying Chicken Shites, that's how you'll save the world.

Aug 23, 2019
In pre-colonial times in the US, long before the arrival of the White man, the indigenous peoples had a tradition of cutting down the trees all around a forest as a 'firebreak' and then setting the forest on fire to burn it to the ground. Such was the way to remove the dry old growth and the brush surrounding them to make room for new strong growth that would not burn so well if struck by lightning. The natives understood the value of "Prescribed Burning".
It is also done in old growth forests in the US today. The colonialists from England had learnt such lessons from the natives and followed their lead, with the understanding that dry old trees are more susceptible to be set on fire by lightning strikes that would consume everything, young and old alike in the forest.

Aug 23, 2019
Perhaps the Brazilian government will have the good sense to replant young trees now. They will need to do so to attract the rain clouds to the rainforests of the Amazon. The indigenous peoples of the rainforests should be disturbed as little as possible, as they are not ready or unwilling to leave their traditional homes and their life to become slaves to the modern world. They are not ignorant by any means. In some ways, they are smarter than the humans who are slaves to their own modern lifestyles and quest for more money than they need to live on.
These peoples of the rainforests are FREE. They have their own medicines, traditions and they love life more than anything else.

Aug 23, 2019
Traditional Japanese Poetic Haiku - to this rescue -

Was it not
these Californian redwoods
burt to the ground

of un cleared
tinder dry under growth
lightning lit form the sky

environmentalists
forbade these loggers entrance
as these redwoods burned

Aug 23, 2019
A Point Which Cortez Forgot - tree induced rain
SEU> Perhaps the Brazilian government will have the good sense to replant young trees now. They will need to do so to attract the rain clouds to the rainforests of the Amazon

The reason why rain forests are rain forests
Fore
SEU, this point need emphasising daily to these protectorates of these trees
Tree cover
Creates micro-climates
Inducing these clouds to form and rain
For without trees
The rainfall diminishes
The soil dries out
The topsoil erodes in this wind
Leaving a desolate barren dusty arid desert

Where once a mighty forest stood

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