Lockheed Martin unveils reusable water-powered Mars lander

Governments and private firms are collaborating on projects to send humans to new frontiers, with NASA planning missions to the
Governments and private firms are collaborating on projects to send humans to new frontiers, with NASA planning missions to the space between the earth and moon to prepare for trips to Mars

A reusable, water-powered Mars lander that will allow humans to explore the Red Planet from an orbiting 'base camp' as early as the 2030s was unveiled Friday by US defence giant Lockheed Martin.

Governments and are collaborating on projects to send humans to new frontiers, with NASA planning missions next decade into the space between Earth and the Moon to prepare for trips to Mars.

Lockheed Martin has been working on its "Mars Base Camp", a science laboratory that will orbit the planet, with the crewed lander set to descend to the surface on repeated missions.

"It looks a bit like Jules Verne, but it's actually more like an aircraft that we've flown in the past," Lockheed Martin's human spaceflight strategy chief Rob Chambers said, at a gathering of the world's leading space experts in the Australian city of Adelaide.

Up to four astronauts could join each two-week surface mission, while liquid hydrogen generated from water would fuel the spacecraft, he added.

"We can create that fuel. We can power this entire spacecraft system just with water," said Chambers, describing it as a "water-based economy".

Lockheed Martin is among several companies working on deep space habitats with NASA, which hopes to send the first astronauts to Mars in the 2030s.

Chambers called the Mars vision "a transformational event for our generation", adding: "It's literally (the) dawn of the new age of discovery about ourselves and about our solar system and about our place in it."

The International Astronautical Congress concludes on Friday with a presentation by SpaceX's Elon Musk, who will outline a new design for an interplanetary transport system to take humans to Mars.


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Sep 29, 2017
No mention of the nuclear reactor needed for the electricity supply.

Sep 29, 2017
So they will have a very good view of musks city. Maybe he will even sell them water.

Sep 29, 2017
The U.S. military can afford to waste billions, but NASA can ill afford another Lockheed Martin-induced fiasco like the Orion capsule or we many never get to Mars. Please do NOT let Lockheed Martin develop this or it will be at least a decade late and $100B over Lockheed Martin's original budget. Lockheed Martin is milking the Orion contract so much they should be required to register with the govt as a dairy farm. Somehow Lockheed Martin has billed NASA over $13B for an single Orion capsule and hasn't even bothered to write the software for it. They are currently burning through about $100M a month and the GAO believes it unlikely it will be ready for a crewed launch by 2023! Ironically, Lockheed originally got the contract for Orion way back in 2006 by pitching an upgraded Apollo-capsule because it would be easier and less expensive to develop. Unbelievable.

https://en.wikipe...cecraft)

KBK
Sep 29, 2017
^^
These are like some sort of fealty payments to black ops programs. A way of hiding the deep state black projects in plain sight.

This technique has been refined over the years since the end of WWII, when the truly black advanced projects started to branch off from the slightly more open secret technology projects.

The evidential trail is 10's of thousands of government pages of data deep and many hundreds of solid factual records deep.

Lockheed's 'expense bills' are a way of paying Lockheed for part of a technology system that the public and the rest of the world has never seen.

Seems ludicrous to most, when looked at from the surface, but a true investigation by you, will uncover what I'm writing about.

The indicators can be dismissed in singular isolation, but if you put the hundreds of clues on the table and move them about, the pattern and ongoing coverup ---slowly emerges.

Eg, the pentagon refuses to come clean on over $9.3 trillion in missing funds. Fact.

KBK
Sep 29, 2017
There is incredibly strong evidence (ie, very credible and detailed) of a second high technology system that is running in the deep state system, so the open science of NASA and mars/moon efforts is more like dancing bears sent out the public to entertain them and make it look like something is going on.

Ie, there is no goddamn way that with all we know about science these days, that over 50 years later.... it's just the same goddamn rocket in use. All other sciences are advancing at breakneck speed and only space hangs back in the 'barely' 20th century? Impossible.

Musk is forcing the hand of those who are hiding this advanced tech second path.

And the Chinese, trying to catch up, are playing with the EM drive and say they have it working.

It is suspected that the us system of black projects had this tech consideration solved and working by the 60's.

Crazy?

Not.

We're talking an 'on the record' many many trillions of $ down that +70 yr old black hole, remember?

Sep 29, 2017
The U.S. military can afford to waste billions, but NASA can ill afford another Lockheed Martin-induced fiasco like the Orion capsule or we many never get to Mars. Please do NOT let Lockheed Martin develop this or it will be at least a decade late and $100B over Lockheed Martin's original budget
NASA is a military agency and LM is a military contractor.

As such the system needs to be milspec, state of the (both current and future) art, and so we should expect it to go over budget as its design parameters couldnt be fully known when the initial budget was set. This is typical for any military project that HAS to be better than anything the enemy can field.

In contrast, musks systems are commercial in nature and so as he says he needs to be able to pay for it.

Sep 29, 2017
I understand that LM is the world's biggest military contractor, so they should know a great deal about building milspec equipment. With such massive amounts of money being spent on the Orion capsule and SLS, NASA cannot afford to develop the rest of the hardware for crewed journeys to Mars. If the Apollo program had been funded this way we never would have made it to the moon. Note that I am far from the only one to notice the huge problems Lockheed Martin is causing here in terms of cost and delay.

https://arstechni...damning/

Sep 30, 2017
Hello mark

There have always been cost overruns, and damning articles have always been written about them. But the system is the best possible one for delivering the best possible hardware.

Which is why the US consistently has the best possible hardware.

The competition that drives it is on the battlefield. And yes, it is critical that the west establish and maintain military superiority in space.

Oct 01, 2017
All I know is - SpaceX's plan is much flashier and exciting...
But - I LOVE it ALL...!

Oct 02, 2017
Otto, I agree your argument has some merit for military contracts, but the Orion capsule is not designed to be a state-of-the-art killing machine. Frankly, it wasn't even sold as a cutting edge spacecraft. Orion is essentially a 50% better Apollo Command Module (CM). Orion is 50% taller and 50% wider than the CM with a modern make over. Flat screen displays instead of cathode ray tubes, modern computer chips instead of ancient ones, etc. Despite all the talk, it is only good for ~21 active days in space unless backed up by the still-to-be-developed habitat module. That is only 50% more than the CM's 14 day limit.

https://www.asme....ule.aspx

Remember too the CM's designers had to start from scratch in the 1960s, whereas Lockmart can use all the technology available in the early 21st century. This should have been a cakewalk and it saddens me to think that after 50 years we only try for 50% better.

Oct 02, 2017
the Orion capsule is not designed to be a state-of-the-art killing machine
What makes you think milspec means killing machine? The X37 is not a killing machine.

It is meant to be rugged and dependable enough to spend months and years in space, like the ISS. It is to be used for establishing bridgeheads near mars and the asteroid belt.

In related news, did you know that salyuz was armed? Anti-gemini cannon.

"Almaz was equipped with a unique 23mm Rikhter (factory index 261P or 225P) rapid-fire cannon mounted on the forward belly of the station. This revolver cannon was modified from the tail-gun of the Tu-22 bomber and was capable of a theoretical rate of fire of 1800-2000 (up to 2600) rounds per minute. Each 168 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-D-R ) or 173 gram (ammo 23-OFZ-G-R) projectile flew at a speed of 850 m/s relative to the station. The cannon had a supply of 32 rounds and was tested at the end of the mission, when the station was operating in unmanned mode."

Oct 02, 2017
The shuttle was a military plaform, designed to carry spysats and be launched from an EM-hardened facility at vandenburg, which was built but never used.
it wasn't even sold as a cutting edge spacecraft
Compared to what? Name a cutting edge spacecraft.

And as it is a multipurpose component it could be part of an armed assembly if the need ever arose.[fq]it is only good for ~21 active days in space unless backed up by the still-to-be-developed habitat module You misconstrue the word 'good'. It doesnt have supplies enough for extended missions by itself but as you say, with add-ons it can last for years up there.

Oct 02, 2017
"Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor building the Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle, NASA's first spacecraft designed for long-duration, human-rated deep space exploration. Orion will transport humans to interplanetary destinations beyond low Earth orbit, such as asteroids, the moon and eventually Mars, and return them safely back to Earth."

-Its a COMPONENT yes?
Remember too the CM's designers had to start from scratch in the 1960s
yeah and their first attempt burst into flames, killing 3 astronauts.

Oct 02, 2017
Compared to what? Name a cutting edge spacecraft.

The BFT (Bout fucking time) BFR...?
I know, I know... not a spacecraft - yet....

Oct 04, 2017
KBK What's your source on Chinese claims of working EMDrive?


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