Israel says Nazi camp excavations unearth link to Anne Frank

Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial says researchers excavating the remains of one of the most notorious Nazi death camps have uncovered a pendant that appears identical to one belonging to Anne Frank.

Yad Vashem says Sunday it has ascertained the pendant belonged to Karoline Cohn—a Jewish girl who perished at Sobibor and may have known the famous diarist. Like Frank, Cohn was born in Frankfurt in 1929. Researchers are trying to confirm whether they were related.

The Israel Antiquities Authority has been conducting excavations at the former camp in Poland since 2007 and has already uncovered the gas chamber foundations and the original train platform.

More than 250,000 Jews were killed in Sobibor, one of the most vivid examples of the Nazi "Final Solution" to eradicate European Jewry.


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Jan 15, 2017
Are we headed for such a thing, as well? I fear our incoming administration which praises torture and seems to be emotionally-unbalanced. Anybody or organization which gives him pause is subject to irrational attack. He already wants to round up tens of millions of folk for deportations.

He is unschooled in the techniques of diplomacy and fifty years of it are coming down in a rash of stupid moves, emotionally-derived.

It is the 1930s again, . . but with nuclear weapons.

Jan 15, 2017
The Nazis started by targeting their own people. Check this out:

"Former MI6 agent Christopher Steele's frustration as FBI sat on Donald Trump Russia file for months"

http://www.indepe...901.html

The FBI refused to investigate Trump, and went for Clinton, out of politics. We are there, folks, we are there, where our own intelligence agencies have meddled in our politics. That is TREASON. Nothing less.

What do WE do about it?

Jan 15, 2017
@ glam-Skippy. How you are Cher?

We all get it. You don't the Trump-Skippy. I do not like either. But Cher (I am being serious now) while you are looking for the superlatives to let us know how much you don't like him you are trivializing the depth and range of the evil that was NAZI Germany.

The NAZIs was the worse systematic evil that was ever perpetrated on the world. America now is not anything like Germany in the 1930's. Nothing. Americans now are not anything like Germans in the 1930's. And what Trump-Skippy can or will do is nothing even close to what Hitler did in the 1930's

You are making what happened to the NAZI's victims nothing more rhetorical slogans for your obsession.

Knock it off Cher, please.

Jan 15, 2017
We are there, folks, we are there, where our own intelligence agencies have meddled in our politics. That is TREASON. Nothing less
And hopefully while we're THERE we can set aside money to prosecute stolen valor liars like yourself because that's a form of TREASON as well yes?
The NAZIs was the worse systematic evil that was ever perpetrated on the world
Well except of course for Stalinists and Maoists. Hitlers a distant third number-wise.

And then there's Pol pot. He's got the record for #/yr.

Jan 15, 2017
America now is not anything like Germany in the 1930's.

Uh huh, and Germany was nothing like that until the Nazis.

Got one word for you -- Fascism -- see how it fits in both cases.

Jan 15, 2017
nothing like that until the natzees
Sorry Germany has a long history of pogrom and persecution.

"In 1819, German Jews were attacked in the Hep-Hep riots. Full Jewish emancipation was not granted in Germany until 1871, when the country was united under the Hohenzollern dynasty. ... The term "antisemitism" was coined by the German agitator and publicist, Wilhelm Marr in 1879."

-And it certainly didn't start with Luther's 'On the Jews and Their Lies."

Let's keep fake history to a minimum.

Jan 15, 2017
"Ira", look up how the Nazis started out.

Yes, it CAN happen here. It is happening here.

Jan 15, 2017
And I am pretty sure people who lied about their service history in nazi Germany were shot. Hitler also liked dogs yes?

Jan 15, 2017
nothing like that until the natzees
Sorry Germany has a long history of pogrom and persecution.

"In 1819, German Jews were attacked in the Hep-Hep riots. Full Jewish emancipation was not granted in Germany until 1871, when the country was united under the Hohenzollern dynasty. ... The term "antisemitism" was coined by the German agitator and publicist, Wilhelm Marr in 1879."

-And it certainly didn't start with Luther's 'On the Jews and Their Lies."

Let's keep fake history to a minimum.

LOL.
Otto, persecution of Jews started before the days of Christ and continued afterwards, in Europe, with the Inquisitions. Yes, so it certainly did not start nor end with the Nazis because of those like you.

The funniest thing of all of this is that in the US, the biggest perpetrator of fake news is pissing himself (pardon the pun) now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Jan 15, 2017
"Ira", look up how the Nazis started out.
Cher I think you are the one who needs to do the looking up. It's probably the area in political history I am most obsessed with.

Yes, it CAN happen here. It is happening here.
Cher you show that you have no idea about the thing you are pontificating about. But you get extra credit for being so consistent in that thing.

Your depth of knowledge about the rise of NAZISM, and the NAZIS in power show you are a truly remarkable moron.

Jan 15, 2017
Are we headed for such a thing, as well? I fear our incoming administration
Well I for one don't believe it would be beyond the bounds of common decency to round up all the psychopaths and 'concentrate' them in a sort of 'camp' for the good of society.
The funniest thing of all of this is that in the US, the biggest perpetrator of fake news is pissing himself (pardon the pun) now that the shoe is on the other foot
And you certainly are an example of goebbels maxim about telling lies over and over until the rubes believe them.

You're no more gullible than all those poor Germans in the 30s.

Jan 15, 2017
Well except of course for Stalinists and Maoists. Hitlers a distant third number-wise.


Stalin and Mao were brutal not to be doubted. But the NAZI's did 95% their murdering in six short years. Stalin had 26, Mao had 40.

And then there's Pol pot. He's got the record for #/yr.
His total is less than any one year during the 1939-45 years under the NAZI's.

Jan 15, 2017
Well except of course for Stalinists and Maoists. Hitlers a distant third number-wise.


Stalin and Mao were brutal not to be doubted. But the NAZI's did 95% their murdering in six short years. Stalin had 26, Mao had 40.

And then there's Pol pot. He's got the record for #/yr.
His total is less than any one year during the 1939-45 years under the NAZI's.

Shhhh... Otto is not gullible..nor propagating lies...nor Fascist.

Jan 15, 2017
Stalin and Mao were brutal not to be doubted. But the NAZI's did 95% their murdering in six short years. Stalin had 26, Mao had 40
So more efficient is more evil? If so I think Mao wins.

"Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. ... But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."

I love the smell of wiki in the morning

Jan 15, 2017
Now if you assume that mongols routinely used plague as a bioweapon as they did in sevastopol;

"the (up to) 200,000,000 deaths from the Black Death migration associated with the Mongol expansion"

-in addition to the 40M-70M they killed conventionally.
https://en.wikipe...ath_toll

Jan 15, 2017
Inasmuch as Jewish deaths were about half of the total, I feel it necessary to remind all of us that the Nazi "final solution" was not just a Jewish holocaust, but for Humanity, as well...
We do ALL those deaths a dishonor, if we don't remember that fact...

Jan 15, 2017
Wg is forgetting a few numbers. zum Beispiel:

"German deaths AFTER the war

"Four million persons perished because of the ethnic cleansing carried out by, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and Serbs according to the former German Prime Minister Konrad Adenauer,

"Five million Germans starved to death in occupied Germany according to estimates by the Canadian James Bacque, and 2 million German Soldiers died in allied captivity often while performing slave labor in Auschwitz like - and worse - conditions."

-11M Germans. You should include them in your concept of 'holocaust'.

Germans were by far the ethnic group that suffered most.

Jan 17, 2017
Wg is forgetting a few numbers. zum Beispiel:

"German deaths AFTER the war

"Four million persons perished because of the ethnic cleansing carried out by, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and Serbs according to the former German Prime Minister Konrad Adenauer,

"Five million Germans starved to death in occupied Germany according to estimates by the Canadian James Bacque, and 2 million German Soldiers died in allied captivity often while performing slave labor in Auschwitz like - and worse - conditions."

-11M Germans. You should include them in your concept of 'holocaust'.

Germans were by far the ethnic group that suffered most.

Revisionist thinking like that will get you no where fast, in the current political climate...

Jan 17, 2017
Revisionist thinking like that will get you no where fast, in the current political climate...
I don't understand. Those are facts which show that the numbers you presented were deceptive.

Are you saying that debunking deception is a bad thing by calling it 'revisionist thinking'?

How evil is that?

Jan 17, 2017

The NAZIs was the worse systematic evil that was ever perpetrated on the world. America now is not anything like Germany in the 1930's. Nothing.

While I agree with most there are *some* aspects of Nazi germany that do find parallels in current american society and politics. Is the US about to put up concentration camps and start doing all the horrendous stuff the nazis did? No. (Well, The US might start another war or two for spurious reasons - but that wouldn't be a new development particular to Trump)

However the demangoguery, the totally overblown national pride, the manipulation of the media to shape public opinion, the stigmatization of minorities, the series of complete fabricated lies (birtherism, anyone?), and the setting up of a clown by power-elites (in this case Russia where it was the industrialists in germany) that might turn werewolf on them and plunge the country into chaos for irrational/narcisisst reasons? Now those are some pretty striking parallels.

Jan 17, 2017
The Isrealis leaned a lot from the Nazis, such as Lebensraum/Settlements.

The world is turning brutally Fascist.

Jan 17, 2017
@AA_P
just some points to consider:
However the demangoguery
almost all politicians are elected by this method today, so that is not isolated to current american society, sorry
the totally overblown national pride
again, not isolated to the us
the manipulation of the media to shape public opinion
the state does not control our media... there are, however, a limited number of private owners who do, so it's not really the same as opinion is shaped by private mandate, not state

the state may control what is released to the media regarding their actions, but that is no different than any other gov't
Is the US about to put up concentration camps
no, they will not set up new ones, i don't think

however, there are still some existing ones (Pine Ridge & Standing Rock res. officially still designated as POW camps in the field notes & surveys of Indian lands/res., treaties and other official documentation - see BIA archive data)

Jan 17, 2017
almost all politicians are elected by this method today, so that is not isolated to current american society

Doesn't make it any more excusable, though. Since we're discussing paralles between how trump and Hitler got where they're at I stand by the point taht it is a parallel.

however, a limited number of private owners who do, so it's not really the same as opinion is shaped by private mandate, not state

Same as it was in nazi germany. The privately owned media hyped him. Hitler was very aware of the power of mass media (just as Trump is about Twitter...maybe...I still think the man is a complete moron unable to be aware of anything but himself. His effective use of media is more a product of his narcissism rather than any genius on his part).

Jan 17, 2017
Same as it was in nazi germany. The privately owned media hyped him. Hitler was very aware of the power of mass media (just as Trump is about Twitter...maybe...I still think the man is a complete moron unable to be aware of anything but himself. His effective use of media is more a product of his narcissism rather than any genius on his part
Just for shits and giggles, please list your news sources. Did you ever try fox?

As for moron he has been able to assemble many successful enterprises mainly by being very adept at assembling teams of extremely capable individuals, and brilliantly managing them.

This is exactly the kind of talent a president needs.

No one who has done what trump has done could ever be considered a moron, except by a moron.

Jan 17, 2017
It seems obvious that discussion of a thread regarding the Nazis would include Trump.

And I have to admit he is no mental moron, but a moral moron, not even understanding the concept of decency.

No real moron would intentionally cheat as many people has Trump has cheated. Even morons have standards.

Jan 17, 2017
It seems obvious that discussion of a thread regarding the Nazis would include Trump.

And I have to admit he is no mental moron, but a moral moron, not even understanding the concept of decency.

No real moron would intentionally cheat as many people has Trump has cheated. Even morons have standards.


glam-Skippy. How you are Cher?

You could reach more peoples if you took your tattered sign down to the Parish Courthouse and walked back and forth with him. (And don't forget to wear your silly looking pointy cap, the one with the stars and moons on him.)

Jan 17, 2017
No real moron would intentionally cheat as many people has Trump has cheated. Even morons have standards.

LOL.
Considering the numerous similarities between gskam and Trump, I must say to him -- Envy much. Everyone say hello to the Fake moron, gskam, who failed to cheat more people.

Jan 18, 2017
The NAZIs was the worse systematic evil that was ever perpetrated on the world. America now is not anything like Germany in the 1930's. Nothing. Americans now are not anything like Germans in the 1930's. And what Trump-Skippy can or will do is nothing even close to what Hitler did in the 1930's
...
Knock it off Cher, please. -IraSkippy

Oh, so you can see the future? Or maybe you're like one of the decent Germans that never could have imagined the horror that was to come, the decent Germans that did nothing, said nothing, and told other Germans to knock it off when the uncomfortable subject came up.

Jan 18, 2017
Revisionist thinking like that will get you no where fast, in the current political climate...

To begin with, my comment was sarcasm.
But to address you faux protestation;
I don't understand. Those are facts which show that the numbers you presented were deceptive.

There was no "deception". Was referring only to the groups Germans exterminated, not subsequent resulting deaths OF Germans.
Are you saying that debunking deception is a bad thing by calling it 'revisionist thinking'?
How evil is that?

The info you provided was an interesting insight, but out of context of what was being referred to. You didn't "debunk" anything. Rather, it was a deceptive attempt at manipulation.
How evil is that?

Jan 18, 2017
"Ira", look up how the Nazis started out.

Yes, it CAN happen here. It is happening here.


How long have you been an idiot?

Jan 18, 2017
People who equate the events of the Holocaust with the machinations of the Republicans are not only imbeciles, they are historically-illiterate and disrespectful.

Jan 18, 2017
People who equate the events of the Holocaust with the machinations of the Republicans

People aren't equating the events of the Holocaust with the machinations of the Republicans. People are equating the machinations of the nazis with the machinations of the Republicans (and their backers. I.e. how they are manipulating the masses and shifting public opinion towards similar policies). Big difference.

Remember that Hitler was Time "man of the year" and that there was a large part of the US industrial and political elite as well as the US media who thought his policies were A-OK until the point when he started a war. Those people didn't just vanish. They are still there - waiting for the moment when these policies become palatable again.

Jan 18, 2017
Oh, so you can see the future?
Non Skippy. I can somewhat see the past, and somewhat see the now. But I can not see the future.

Or maybe you're like one of the decent Germans that never could have imagined the horror that was to come, the decent Germans that did nothing, said nothing, and told other Germans to knock it off when the uncomfortable subject came up.
Your view of what happened in Germany is a little flawed.

Hitler and the NAZIs spent 15 years telling everybody exactly what they wanted to do. And what they would do. And they did it. Maybe you should read the platform of the NAZIs that Hitler wrote in 1920. Or Mein Kemp that he wrote in 1925. Or the words of any speech he gave during 1920 to 1933. Or how the NAZIs were organized during that same period.

I don't like Trump. I voted for Clinton. But Trump is not Hitler. America is not 1933 Germany. Trump is greedy and lies, but so do any other politicians.

Jan 18, 2017
The tribal hyperbole plays right into the plan of both extremes. It's how we got where we are. Searching for superlatives to describe your foe is not a winning strategy. What is a winning strategy, the only one that will work, is to describe him honestly and rationally, and point out where he is wrong.

Just call him what he is and be done because if you call him more than he is you are no longer discussing him, you are discussing your own emotions.

Oh yeah, I almost forget. I don't down or up vote you because you disagree or agree with me. I down or up vote you because of the effort or thought you put into your comments.

Jan 18, 2017
LOL.
Considering the numerous similarities between gskam and Trump, I must say to him -- Envy much. Everyone say hello to the Fake moron, gskam, who failed to cheat more people
Yeah I think it is a form of penis envy.
There was no "deception". Was referring only to the groups Germans exterminated, not subsequent resulting deaths OF Germans
Well thats not what you said or implied. You need to define 'exterminate', and you need to explain why ethnic germans who died as a result of nazism before, during, and after the war is any different from whatever it is youre referring to.

And then youve got to explain why presenting facts constitutes 'revisionism'.
Remember that Hitler was Time "man of the year"
-So were chiang kai shek and stalin. Twice.

Whats your point?

Jan 18, 2017
And BTW so was the ayotollah Khomeini. And as far as industrialists supporting the NSDAP, this included prescott bush who sent millions.

Industrialists and the british aristocracy knew that fascism was the only way to stop communism. A communist europe would have meant the end of both of them as well as the extinction of the middle class.

And in retrospect we would have to agree with them.

Jan 18, 2017
You can like and forgive the Fascists, otto, but not me.

I will fight against Trump and Putin.

And you, if you are one of them.

We cannot afford more Republican Wars. The next one could be nuclear.

Jan 18, 2017
There was no "deception". Was referring only to the groups Germans exterminated, not subsequent resulting deaths OF Germans

Well thats not what you said or implied. You need to define 'exterminate', and you need to explain why ethnic germans who died as a result of nazism before, during, and after the war is any different from whatever it is youre referring to.
And then youve got to explain why presenting facts constitutes 'revisionism'.

That German's died was not in the context of the Nazi "final solution".
German deaths outside of that were not on the table til you brought them up.
Human Holocaust? Yes.
Horrible? Yes.
Payback? Probably.
But it was not a declared policy of any Government of group.
"Revisionist" because I doubt very many are aware of it (I wasn't), nor want to bring it into the discussion.


Jan 18, 2017
Revisionist" because I doubt very many are aware of it (I wasn't), nor want to bring it into the discussion
-Again a phantom qualifier; 'very many' - of whom exactly? Of yad vashem members? Of ethnic german survivors whose relatives and friends starved in soviet, british, and french POW camps?

The subject line had broadened considerably before you interjected. You yourself opined
We do ALL those deaths a dishonor, if we don't remember that fact...
-which should rightly include the ethnic germans who died in the war. Who is speaking for them?

A much greater and more inclusive holocaust.

Jan 18, 2017
That German's died was not in the context of the Nazi "final solution"
The true nazi final solution involved turning the entire country into an army. Everyone served, everyone fought. This was total war. The volksturm comprised of old men and little boys died defending berlin in the last days.

Hitler had decided that the german people did not deserve to survive if they lost the war. Luckily his scorched earth policy wasnt carried out.

And last but not least let us remember the 1M german women raped by soviet troops during their march westward. Include them in your Holocaust please.

Jan 19, 2017
Revisionist" because I doubt very many are aware of it (I wasn't), nor want to bring it into the discussion
-Again a phantom qualifier; 'very many' - of whom exactly? ...

People. Like - people who come to this site and discuss it in a thread...
The subject line had broadened considerably before you interjected. You yourself opined
We do ALL those deaths a dishonor, if we don't remember that fact...
-which should rightly include the ethnic germans who died in the war. Who is speaking for them?

It appears you are...:-)
A much greater and more inclusive holocaust.

True. Had I been aware of that info, it would have been included in my "opine".
I am German, BTW. Of the group that left Russia after the Red/White wars.

Jan 19, 2017
True. Had I been aware of that info, it would have been included in my "opine".
I am German, BTW. Of the group that left Russia after the Red/White wars
Sorry I thought you were welsh.
Payback? Probably
-And I was going to ask if it was proper to blame cambodians for their misery just because pol pot was cambodian.
Had I been aware of that info
-And I happen to believe that incomplete info indicates propaganda. I think groups like yad vashem should try to portray shoah in the context of all the people who suffered and died in the great demographic redistributions of the 20th century.

But that might make the true nature of it a little too obvious yes?

Jan 20, 2017
And last but not least let us remember the 1M german women raped by soviet troops during their march westward. Include them in your Holocaust please.

Well, Mr. Pragmatic (and here I thought you were German), how many Russians died during Hitler's initial push INTO Russia (and WW2 in toto)?
Add them, too...

Jan 22, 2017
Well, Mr. Pragmatic (and here I thought you were German), how many Russians died during Hitler's initial push INTO Russia (and WW2 in toto)?
Add them, too...
At the time stalin was preparing to invade germany first. Stalin had all his defensive generals killed. The german offensive was preemptive. Their blitzkrieg encircled many soviet armies which died or became POWs, and then died.

Germans were at first pleasant toward indigenes (except the usual ethnic enemies) but soon became the target of insurgents and began to crack down.

Again this was total war which few have ever experienced. They knew that loss would mean the end of germany. What would you do to protect your family, your community, your way of life? Would you feed captives when your troops were starving on the battlefield?

95% of enlisted died in POW camps after stalingrad, 50% of junior officers, and 5% of senior officers.

Jan 22, 2017
It is interesting to note that germans killed russians 4 to 1 but were outnumbered 5 to 1, something the high command must have known. And 90% of germans who died in the conflict were killed by russians. We had nothing to do with the euro war.

By the time we got there the war was over and the remnants if hitlers forces were on the run. It is obvious that we were there not to defeat hitler but to prevent stalin from sweeping all the way to the channel, which is what he fully intended to do and what all those millions of germans died to prevent.

In actuality the nazis saved fully half their country and the rest of europe from being overrun. They prevented russian communism from achieving a sustainable position in the world, which led to its eventual defeat.

Who has ever thanked them for all of this? This was only a pyrrhic victory for THEM, not us.

Jan 22, 2017
"If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances." - senator harry truman

-This was not an opinion. It was a plan.

Jan 22, 2017
"Who has ever thanked them for all of this? "
--------------------------------

Fascists and monsters.

Jan 22, 2017
USA civil war , you finally proved you can have a functioning democracy [ i know republic ] now you twits want to prove you really never did [ which is what i always thought.]

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