Dark matter may be smoother than expected

December 7, 2016
This map of dark matter in the Universe was obtained from data from the KiDS survey, using the VLT Survey Telescope at ESO’s Paranal Observatory in Chile. It reveals an expansive web of dense (light) and empty (dark) regions. This image is one out of five patches of the sky observed by KiDS. Here the invisible dark matter is seen rendered in pink, covering an area of sky around 420 times the size of the full moon. This image reconstruction was made by analysing the light collected from over three million distant galaxies more than 6 billion light-years away. The observed galaxy images were warped by the gravitational pull of dark matter as the light travelled through the Universe. Some small dark regions, with sharp boundaries, appear in this image. They are the locations of bright stars and other nearby objects that get in the way of the observations of more distant galaxies and are hence masked out in these maps as no weak-lensing signal can be measured in these areas. Credit: Kilo-Degree Survey Collaboration/H. Hildebrandt & B. Giblin/ESO

Analysis of a giant new galaxy survey, made with ESO's VLT Survey Telescope in Chile, suggests that dark matter may be less dense and more smoothly distributed throughout space than previously thought. An international team used data from the Kilo Degree Survey (KiDS) to study how the light from about 15 million distant galaxies was affected by the gravitational influence of matter on the largest scales in the Universe. The results appear to be in disagreement with earlier results from the Planck satellite.

Hendrik Hildebrandt from the Argelander-Institut für Astronomie in Bonn, Germany and Massimo Viola from the Leiden Observatory in the Netherlands led a team of astronomers from institutions around the world who processed images from the Kilo Degree Survey (KiDS), which was made with ESO's VLT Survey Telescope (VST) in Chile. For their analysis, they used images from the survey that covered five patches of the sky covering a total area of around 2200 times the size of the full Moon, and containing around 15 million galaxies.

By exploiting the exquisite image quality available to the VST at the Paranal site, and using innovative computer software, the team were able to carry out one of the most precise measurements ever made of an effect known as cosmic shear. This is a subtle variant of weak gravitational lensing, in which the light emitted from distant galaxies is slightly warped by the gravitational effect of large amounts of matter, such as galaxy clusters.

In cosmic shear, it is not galaxy clusters but large-scale structures in the Universe that warp the light, which produces an even smaller effect. Very wide and deep surveys, such as KiDS, are needed to ensure that the very weak cosmic shear signal is strong enough to be measured and can be used by astronomers to map the distribution of gravitating matter. This study takes in the largest total area of the sky to ever be mapped with this technique so far.

Intriguingly, the results of their analysis appear to be inconsistent with deductions from the results of the European Space Agency's Planck satellite, the leading space mission probing the fundamental properties of the Universe. In particular, the KiDS team's measurement of how clumpy matter is throughout the Universe—a key cosmological parameter—is significantly lower than the value derived from the Planck data.

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This video shows the location of one of the five KiDS regions that were surveyed by the VLT Survey Telescope at ESO’s Paranal Observatory in Chile. This region (known as G12) covers a large area of sky along the celestial equator in the constellations of Leo (The Lion) and Virgo (The Virgin). The final colour dark matter density image reveals an expansive web of dense (light) and empty (dark) regions. This image reconstruction was made by analysing the light collected from over three million distant galaxies more than 6 billion light-years away. Credit: Kilo-Degree Survey Collaboration/H. Hildebrandt & B. Giblin/ESO/N. Risinger (skysurvey.org). Music: Konstantino Polizois (soundcloud.com/konstantino-polizois).

Massimo Viola explains: "This latest result indicates that in the cosmic web, which accounts for about one-quarter of the content of the Universe, is less clumpy than we previously believed."

Dark matter remains elusive to detection, its presence only inferred from its gravitational effects. Studies like these are the best current way to determine the shape, scale and distribution of this invisible material.

The surprise result of this study also has implications for our wider understanding of the Universe, and how it has evolved during its almost 14-billion-year history. Such an apparent disagreement with previously established results from Planck means that astronomers may now have to reformulate their understanding of some fundamental aspects of the development of the Universe.

Hendrik Hildebrandt comments: "Our findings will help to refine our theoretical models of how the Universe has grown from its inception up to the present day."

This map of dark matter in the Universe was obtained from data from the KiDS survey, using the VLT Survey Telescope at ESO’s Paranal Observatory in Chile. It reveals an expansive web of dense (light) and empty (dark) regions. This image is one out of five patches of the sky observed by KiDS. Here the invisible dark matter is seen rendered in pink, covering an area of sky around 400 times the size of the full moon. This image reconstruction was made by analysing the light collected from over 2.5 million distant galaxies more than 6 billion light-years away. The observed galaxy images were warped by the gravitational pull of dark matter as the light travelled through the Universe. Some small dark regions, with sharp boundaries, appear in this image. They are the locations of bright stars and other nearby objects that get in the way of the observations of more distant galaxies and are hence masked out in these maps as no weak-lensing signal can be measured in these areas. Credit: Kilo-Degree Survey Collaboration/H. Hildebrandt & B. Giblin/ESO

The KiDS analysis of data from the VST is an important step but future telescopes are expected to take even wider and deeper surveys of the sky.

The co-leader of the study, Catherine Heymans of the University of Edinburgh in the UK adds: "Unravelling what has happened since the Big Bang is a complex challenge, but by continuing to study the distant skies, we can build a picture of how our modern Universe has evolved."

"We see an intriguing discrepancy with Planck cosmology at the moment. Future missions such as the Euclid satellite and the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope will allow us to repeat these measurements and better understand what the Universe is really telling us," concludes Konrad Kuijken (Leiden Observatory, the Netherlands), who is principal investigator of the KiDS survey.

This research was presented in the paper entitled "KiDS-450: Cosmological parameter constraints from tomographic weak gravitational lensing", by H. Hildebrandt et al., to appear in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

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gculpex
1.5 / 5 (8) Dec 07, 2016
This latest result indicates that dark matter in the cosmic web, which accounts for about one-quarter of the content of the Universe, is less clumpy than we previously believed.

try eu first!
Gigel
4.3 / 5 (12) Dec 07, 2016
How can EU explain gravitational lensing?
liquidspacetime
Dec 07, 2016
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Moebius
2.5 / 5 (4) Dec 07, 2016
Still believe that the dark matter 'effect', as it should be called properly, will be found to be something wrong with our understanding of gravity, not actual dark matter. I used to think gravity sucks. Then Einstein came along and now it blows. But who really knows?
NIPSZX
Dec 07, 2016
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howhot3
5 / 5 (2) Dec 07, 2016
Still believe that the dark matter 'effect', as it should be called properly, will be found to be something wrong with our understanding of gravity, not actual dark matter. I used to think gravity sucks. Then Einstein came along and now it blows. But who really knows?

I think the 'Emergent Gravity' hypotheses look more and more reasonable with each passing observation. While 'Emergent Gravity' spun out of string theory, it's general conceptual foundation seems very applicable to the real issues in cosmology.
Stevepidge
Dec 07, 2016
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gculpex
1 / 5 (1) Dec 07, 2016
How can EU explain gravitational lensing?

Never said there wasn't gravity just saying there are two long range forces of nature.
yep
1 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2016
How can EU explain gravitational lensing?


https://arxiv.org...9124.pdf

Mainstream science has adopted a false priori and almost a hundred years later we have dupes like Stump and Jones defending its dogma because they are so entrenched in its belief system they viciously attack any question of it as pseudoscience unwilling to read or watch material that may give them a better perspective. Hopefully you will read the abstract and not give me some lame excuse like those brilliant imbeciles have in the past.
Phys1
3 / 5 (10) Dec 08, 2016
@phys.org
Can you at least remove holocaust denialist Stevepidge?
Or should I bring this to the attention of the appropriate organisations?
Did I tell you that the moderation here is inadequate
and hurts the interest of science?
Phys1
2.3 / 5 (9) Dec 08, 2016
@Stevepidge
People like you were responsible for death and destruction in the past.
Why don't you kill yourself?
arcmetal
1 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
@yep
How can EU explain gravitational lensing?

https://arxiv.org...9124.pdf

Mainstream science has adopted a false priori and almost a hundred years later we have dupes like Stump and Jones defending its dogma because they are so entrenched in its belief system they viciously attack any question of it as pseudoscience unwilling to read or watch material that may give them a better perspective. Hopefully you will read the abstract and not give me some lame excuse like those brilliant imbeciles have in the past.

Thanks for that paper. Its a refreshing explanation for the curvature of light around large objects. I especially liked the explanation for the red-blue shifts of light due to changes in velocity due to light passing through a medium, the planet's or star's atmospheres. I wonder if that same theory can be applied to help explain the anomalous redshifts found for quasars and other large structures in space.
Phys1
3 / 5 (12) Dec 08, 2016
@phys.org
After you have IP banned (you will, won't you ?) that monster, you are welcome to delete my posts here as well.
Gigel
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
As fake as the holocaust.

Can you explain why Einstein run away from Germany then?
Gigel
5 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
How can EU explain gravitational lensing?


https://arxiv.org...9124.pdf

Mainstream science has adopted a false priori and almost a hundred years later we have dupes like Stump and Jones defending its dogma because they are so entrenched in its belief system they viciously attack any question of it as pseudoscience unwilling to read or watch material that may give them a better perspective. Hopefully you will read the abstract and not give me some lame excuse like those brilliant imbeciles have in the past.

Long story. Build an experiment that discriminates between current and alternative theories, run the experiment and come back when you have the results.
Gigel
5 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
How can EU explain gravitational lensing?


https://arxiv.org...9124.pdf

What the author does in this article is to take a relativistic adimensional quantity and plug it into the light refraction setting, on the way inputing a fuzz-factor k that works only when it takes the value k=2 which apparently comes out of thin air (I didn't stumble upon an explanation of this value except it is necessary to recover experimental results that validated Einstein's GR). Essentially this is taking GR and molding it into a different setting. Why is that necessary? GR works on its own. There is no need for refraction there.
Stevepidge
Dec 08, 2016
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Stevepidge
Dec 08, 2016
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IMP-9
5 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
https://arxiv.org...9124.pdf


"Refraction" which somehow depends on the gravitational constant and the mass of the Sun but is completely independent of the density of the refracting medium, it's properties and geometry. That's a big nope. "semi-empirically" says it all. Not to mention the fact that lensing is achromatic, it doesn't depend on frequency and works for the Sun it has been verified to be the same from radio to optical. Refraction is not achromatic, this is why prisms disperse light. Does this paper show what refraction mechanism is capable of explaining this? No. There's no refraction in that "derivation".
Hat1208
5 / 5 (4) Dec 08, 2016
Come on PhysOrg get rid of this crap from StevePidge the Village idiot.
swordsman
1 / 5 (1) Dec 08, 2016
More evidence of the poor comprehension of basics physics today. Lost in space.
imfromcanada
5 / 5 (5) Dec 08, 2016
@Stevepidge

There is plenty of evidence. From going to a camp to seeing copies of the letters and stories from personnel who worked in them and survivors online. All you have to do is actually look. I realize that you aren't probably in the category of people that are willing to go outside their own little world and beliefs because you've held on to it so long that it's now become a part of who you are. You won't see reality over the fantasy you've created for whatever reasons you need it to be that way.

I'd say try stepping into reality and seeing it for yourself, but I feel you will instead attack something about me or simply ignore what I've suggested, if you haven't been blocked.

So instead I will simply say I recommend a psychiatrist. They might be able to help you understand the difference between reality and self-created fantasy. A hard step for sure, but a good first one in getting through whatever mental health issues block you from seeing reality.
Captain Stumpy
2.7 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@eu cult regurgitator yep
they are so entrenched in its belief system...
sorry... that isn't the case
if you could provide something other than links to your site, i would be willing to actually read the science

like the above arXiv link: i read it

i see a few problems though... starting with: gravitational lensing
this is a testable experiment and we can do it right here on Earth and in our satellites - with Earth, BH's and our Sun

so we know enough about the sun to make predictions about the perihelion precession of Mercury's orbit via relativity and diffraction both

so compare that with what we actually observe and what do we get?
oops - epic fail for your argument!

not only does the precession match perfectly, but there is no evidence to support your diffraction theory through the atmosphere of the sun

that is how science works
you make a claim - predict... then match it to observation
you fail
science wins
end of story
Captain Stumpy
2.7 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@eu cult regurgitator yep cont'd
Hopefully you will read the abstract and not give me some lame excuse
notice i didn't give you anything lame, but provided evidence

for more evidence, feel free to read this list of references located here:
https://en.wikipe...ferences

notice that those links and references are not just argument from authority or random source material, but specific argument from evidence based science that is also explained, fairly well, in the wiki page they're used on

considering i don't expect any logical refute, i chose the wiki page because:
1- i wanted to prove the overwhelming evidence against your argument with a clear, concise list of studies and evidence

2- i wanted to prove that you will refuse to accept overwhelming evidence contrary to your argument

personally, i don't care about what the evidence says - only that it can be proven and validated

& that is something the eu can't do
cantdrive85
3.7 / 5 (12) Dec 08, 2016
Dark matter may be smoother than expected

DM is whatever you need it to be to save your failed guesses. It's hot and cold, clumpy or smooth, heavy or light, or everything all at once. Its definitely just where it needs to be, but strangely nowhere to be found. But that's the great thing about the "dark sciences" (DM, DE, black magic, astrology, etc), it solves all your problems with the wave of a hand, or calculator.

How can EU explain gravitational lensing?

A better question, how can nothing explain GL?
Stevepidge
3.3 / 5 (12) Dec 08, 2016
There is zero evidence of gas chambers being used to systematicalky execute millions of jews. None. In fact dachau was claimed to be an execution camp initially but now it is an accepted known fact that no camp systems in Germany proper used for ANY thing other than labor. This is a fact. Also, the Polish camps, Auschwitz, Treblinka and Sobibor were all liberated by the soviets. The "gas chambers" are admitted to be post was constructions by the soviets, I have been there you morons. The damn chimneys arent even connected to the facilities. There are ridiculuous holes in the ceiling used for dropping zyklon b supposedly, yet these two are post war "reconstructions" as well. Its not my fault you fell prey to post war psyops. In fact you are so brainwashed that even if I showed you the evidence, which I will, you will still cry foul.
Gigel
4 / 5 (8) Dec 08, 2016
@Stevepidge: Then where did the millions disappear in a few years? Einstein didn't disappear, he went to Princeton. What about the others? Is there any proof they somehow moved to somewhere else? Or did they really disappear?

Do you have proofs for millions of declared dead people that they were actually alive at the end of the war?
Stevepidge
Dec 08, 2016
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RNP
5 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@phys.org
It is almost impossible to take your attempts to moderate this site seriously when (above) can you allow so many of your own rules to be violated so many times by a single contributor. PLEASE do something about it NOW.
Stevepidge
3.3 / 5 (12) Dec 08, 2016
And where is your proof millions disappeared? Because someone told you so? That is NOT proof. World almanac figures surely do not claim this numbers discrepancy.

https://www.googl...;xxri=13
RNP
5 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
@All
If you agree with me, please report my comment above as many times as you can.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (8) Dec 08, 2016
If you agree with me, please report my comment above as many times as you can.
@RNP
@All

obviously reporting the posts doesn't do anything - and obviously using the comment section is also equally fruitless

this type of pseudoscience and conspiracy crap is why the site has been banned by the schools in my state: too many kids start regurgitating stuff like the above, be it holocaust denial or the eu crap

.

.

@illiterate proselytizing eu cult idiot
how can nothing explain GL?
exactly: your eu cult can't make predictions
(the ones you tried to make have been deleted from your page because they were falsified by observation)

your eu cult can't demonstrate anything
you make claims - that's it

more to the point - you make obvious false claims
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
I sent an email to the Simon Wiesenthal Centre about this incident.
Phys.org owes the public an apology for giving a platform to this nazi.
There have been incidents before that were also not properly handled
but this one is by far the worst I have seen.
RealityCheck
2.2 / 5 (10) Dec 08, 2016
Stevepidge.

What exactly is your agenda? It certainly isn't science or reality. What are you going to deny next, the Soviet civilians massacred by the Nazis? The various pogroms and forced removal of Jews/others in their millions from other countries back to germany to work as slave labor in the Nazi munitions/rocket etc facilities constructions, to starve/die on the job from starvation inhumane treatment? Are you going to tell all those Allied soldiers who liberated/repatriated the inmates of the Nazi death camps that those walking skeletons (the few survivors) were just their imagination? And for your info, it took hardly much gas to kill starved/ill conditioned inmates of the death camps. Have you ever seen the newsreels taken at the time of the mass graves and, as on-the-spot punishment, some of the responsible SS officers being forced to exhume the people they buried in those mass graves?

Stevepidge, either you're gullible nitwit or pitiful denier. Neither is good. :(
Phys1
3 / 5 (12) Dec 08, 2016
The first post by the monster has been removed but it keeps posting.
Phys.org moderator, read this and then finally act like a professional.
https://en.wikipe...blocking
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
This was an incident waiting to happen.
The perversions of antigoracle were not removed.
That was an invitation to extremists and all kinds of criminals.
StevePig is just the first of them.
It is suspect that spammers _are_ more or less efficiently removed.
Or is this nerd-like naivety ?
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
@RC
It's agenda is to revise history and blame the victims.
What's new. Don't discuss with it. It has to be shunned.
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
In view of the totally inadequate action of phys.org I am now considering reporting this incident to various physics organisation across the world.
phys.org, the longer you allow this the larger will be the damage to your site.
This has been an interesting site but I will not shed a tear.
Hat1208
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
@SteveA**hole

Here is a link to more extensive information on the subject for real truth seekers

You wouldn't know real truth if it snuck up behind and dropped zyklon b in your shower, dumba**.
RealityCheck
1.6 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
Hi Phys1. :)
@RC
It's [Stevepidge's] agenda is to revise history and blame the victims.
What's new. Don't discuss with it. It has to be shunned.
Apparently so, mate. He is failing, though; obviously. And my only "discussion" with him re his propaganda is to counter same with a timely 'reality check' as indicated; not only for his own edification, but also for the benefit of those youngsters/uninformed who may read Stevepidge's lame attempts at rewriting history to serve his own patently malicious twisted personal/political agenda/stupidity. After all, that is what I do, contribute "reality checks" as indicated; hence my username: "RealityCheck".

Carry on, Phys1 et al. You have my full support on this one, mateys! :)
Phys1
3 / 5 (10) Dec 08, 2016
@RC
No need to defend yourself, I don't blame you for your post at all. :)

By the way, there are alternatives to phys.org.
I don't trust the motives of phys.org anymore after this.
What is needed is a mea culpa and adequate action,
also against agitators like antigoracle and Benni .
I don't advocate strict application of the guidelines but this comments section has severely degenerated.
Phys1
3.2 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
Remember the filth that antigoracle posted on http://phys.org/n...hat.html ?
A disgrace.
RealityCheck
1 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Hi Phys1. :)
@RC
No need to defend yourself, I don't blame you for your post at all. :)

By the way, there are alternatives to phys.org.
I don't trust the motives of phys.org anymore after this.
Thanks. Wasn't "defending", though; merely explaining the motivation for my interest/response in Stevepidge case.

PS: Re Physorg's slow response to Stevepidge's political/racist/denialist rants above, perhaps it is a symptom of many here "crying wolf" too often for too long based on petty grounds, and the various moderators now just assuming it's much the same thing in this case too? After all, I too have been on the receiving end of years of "blame the victim" campaign which included ceaseless stream of unfounded "reported to moderator" tactics. Perhaps this will also serve as a wake-up-call to those that have abused the report/rating system for petty reasons in the past? I hope so. Then maybe the moderator won't have to ignore reams of vexatious "reports", and may act sooner?
Zzzzzzzz
3.5 / 5 (8) Dec 08, 2016
Stevepidge, I will add my voice to that of Phys1. Why don't you kill yourself? Your own miserable existence will improve exponentially, and the average IQ across humankind will skyrocket. The truest "Win-Win" scenario ever imagined.
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (9) Dec 08, 2016
I sent an email to the Simon Wiesenthal Centre about this incident.
Phys.org owes the public an apology for giving a platform to this nazi.
There have been incidents before that were also not properly handled
but this one is by far the worst I have seen.


Can'tdrive-Skippy is famous for them, and a lot worse than even that one. The Pigeon-Skippy is just another one of his sock puppies, all those EU morons have at least three or four.
Zzzzzzzz
4.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Stevepidge, I'll make you an offer you cannot refuse. If you lack the strength of character and courage to act on my suggestion above, I can help. Just think of the benefit for EVERYONE. I'll get thank-you notes from your family.
RealityCheck
1.8 / 5 (10) Dec 08, 2016
Hi Phys1 . :)

See what I mean about certain posters abusing/flooding the ratings/reporting system here? Two in particular have just again downvoted me for the same posts re Stevepidge rants; for which RNP upvoted me (thanks, RNP)! If such abuse/flooding of reporting/rating system was kept to a minimum, maybe the moderators would actually spot more quickly and act more decisively on Stevepidge's/others' political/racial rants here. Perhaps you two (Phys1 and RNP) can speak to them and have them cease their counter-productive bot-voting and blaming the victim tactics (which tactics only inundates moderators with spurious crap which 'buries' genuine/crucial reports needing quick mod action)? Thanks. :)
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
So ad hominem attacks is what you boys have? Simon wiesenthal center threats??? Lolololol. I presented factual and logical evidence and you accuse me of hatred? Yet YOU are telling me to kill myself. Sounds like an emotional meltdown to me. Cant handle contrarian evidence to your narrative lololol. You have yet to prove the holocaust happened. Because its a fiction based on emotion.
RealityCheck
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Stevepidge.
So ad hominem attacks is what you boys have? Simon wiesenthal center threats??? Lolololol. I presented factual and logical evidence and you accuse me of hatred? Yet YOU are telling me to kill myself. Sounds like an emotional meltdown to me. Cant handle contrarian evidence to your narrative lololol. You have yet to prove the holocaust happened. Because its a fiction based on emotion.
I pointed out some reality for you. Have you taken note? If so, then apologize and cease your silly racial/denialist crap, Steve. Less denial, more reality facing, would be good/intelligent thing on your part, Steve; and sooner rather than later would be great.
Phys1
Dec 08, 2016
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RealityCheck
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Hi Phys1. :)
Monster, you would do everyone a favour by killing yourself.
Just die. You don't deserve life.
Actually, the best punishment for Stevepidge would be to live a long life. That way he will be a walking salutary reminder what arrogance, ignorance, malice and self-interest can do to one if they once allow hate and denial political/mercenary propaganda to rule their thinking/actions. If anyone deserves that 'living hell' (of being a self-demonstrated twat for all to point at), it is Stevepidge (unless he apologizes and ceases his stupidity forthwith). Your choice, Steve: be a decent human being....or be an inhuman object lesson (ie, dumb Nazi loser). Rethink it all, Steve.
Uncle Ira
2.8 / 5 (9) Dec 08, 2016
Hi Phys1. :)
Monster, you would do everyone a favour by killing yourself.
Just die. You don't deserve life.
Actually, the best punishment for Stevepidge would be to live a long life. That way he will be a walking salutary reminder what arrogance, ignorance, malice and self-interest can do to one if they once allow hate and denial political/mercenary propaganda to rule their thinking/actions. If anyone deserves that 'living hell' (of being a self-demonstrated twat for all to point at), it is Stevepidge (unless he apologizes and ceases his stupidity forthwith). Your choice, Steve: be a decent human being....or be an inhuman object lesson (ie, dumb Nazi loser). Rethink it all, Steve.


@ Really-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good and glad I got to the karma thing before my computer did. This is one post I agree with you on 100%.
Hat1208
4 / 5 (4) Dec 08, 2016
@Uncle Ira

Yeah, you gotta watch that karma thing.
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
The sword of truth cuts deep. The lies of the holohoax are done. Kaput! Its too late, you cannot and will not address the facts I presented, and they are only the tip of the iceberg. All you have left is attack to appeal to emotion and the brainwashing that has ensnared millions. You are all cowards at best, and liars at worst. The truth doesnt fear investigation. Remember that. To imprison people for espousing thoughts different than your own was your undoing. Its over now. People are waking up like never before. Its a wonderful day!
RealityCheck
2.3 / 5 (6) Dec 08, 2016
Stevepidge.
The sword of truth cuts deep. The lies of the holohoax are done. Kaput! Its too late, you cannot and will not address the facts I presented, and they are only the tip of the iceberg. ...
Oh oh, hypocrisy at work to justify his denials and avoid addressing the reality, folks.

PS: Either that, or Steve is 'pulling our chain'! It is starting to sound like it. Come clean, Steve; are you having us on? If so, it was masterfully done; and you have gotten away with it....for a while, anyway....until your above post! It reeks of 'joke baiting' trigger-words to get people going full tilt at your joke-baiting. A 'stealth joke' indeed, that evaded our joke-baiting 'radar' for a good while; but in bad taste, Steve. Wind it up and get back to science and humanity issues that could do with proper intelligent discussion, hey? Thanks.
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
Say it with me, THE TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INSPECTION. Ursula Haverbeck an 87 yr old grandmother imprisoned for 10 months for holocaust denial is dead serious, and so am I. You are either an agent of truth or not. You all had better think long and hard on this. Change is a comin, and justice will be swift.
RealityCheck
3 / 5 (2) Dec 08, 2016
Your joke is in bad taste; give it a rest, Steve.
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
Not one autopsy has ever shown any person ever died of cyanide gas after the war. None. Everyone of you above should be ashamed of yourselves for not having the courage to investigate such matters on the merits of physical evidence. Instead you act like the religous nuts you so righteously demean, yet your religion, the holohoax is upheld by the same blind belief in the altruistic nature of authority. You are all cowards and hypocrites.
Phys1
Dec 08, 2016
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Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (7) Dec 08, 2016
@ Phys1-Skippy. I know how you feel. I have a special hate for any racial or ethnic bigots me, and it is extreme when it comes to the NAZIs and their crimes leading up to and during the WWII. In all of human history it was the most evil regime bar none. It was man and mankind at it's very worst.

That said, I for one would really hate to see you go. I learn a lot from your posts. And it is not right for them to be left the field. They win by default if we do that.

I don't write many humble things here on the physorg, I like to keep it sort of fooling around with fools, but I am humbly begging you not to let them win that easy. Please stay, please..
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (10) Dec 08, 2016
@ Physorg. I am not leaving. No NAZI or Klucker is ever going to run me away from anywhere.

But it is really a shame that really good smart peoples that bring a lot of science to the table you would trade for racist crankpots. Is that what you want to be known for?

The science deniers and crankpots are one thing, but you really lose a lot street cred when you allow the Physorg to be a platform for holocaust deniers and racists.
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 08, 2016
So phys.org is a nazi website.
I repeat the only thing that the nazi moderator _does_ remove:

Monster, you would do everyone a favour by killing yourself.
Just die. You don't deserve life.

This is it. I no longer wish to be associated
with the filth that runs this website.
Die, phys.org, die.


Cry me a river. You can't debate on evidence so you pout and throw tantrums, call people names, make THREATS towards this website for not towing your line. No business like shoah business huh.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (4) Dec 08, 2016
Why the heck are we discussing Holocaust denial on an article about cosmology?

C'mon, @physorg, let's see if we can't enforce some decency standards here. Never mind topicality.

For once I agree with @RealityCheck. A bozo posting Holocaust denial on a physics site is wildly offensive, and wildly off-topic.
Da Schneib
5 / 5 (4) Dec 08, 2016
Seriously, I come back after a few months' vacation from the site, and this is the first thing I see?

I have to both sympathize and empathize with @Phys1. And I may well do the same thing. I'd already be gone but for @Ira.
Gigel
5 / 5 (3) Dec 09, 2016
And where is your proof millions disappeared? Because someone told you so? That is NOT proof. World almanac figures surely do not claim this numbers discrepancy.

https://www.googl...;xxri=13

Go to third link there: http://www.nizkor...nac.html
where it says: "Whoever first started propagating World Almanac figures neglected to mention that all figures before 1949 were from 1938 estimates." It also has figures (taken from the World Almanac) showing a decrease of world Jewish population by about 4 million by 1949.
Hat1208
5 / 5 (4) Dec 09, 2016
@Steve Pidge

Not one autopsy has ever shown any person ever died of cyanide gas after the war.

That is the truth most died from starvation and disease the rest were incinerated, so what is your point.
Hat1208
5 / 5 (3) Dec 09, 2016
@All

FYI most moderation or filtering as it were is done through automation or bots. Right now there are no key word triggers to make the moderators intervene.
Captain Stumpy
2.7 / 5 (7) Dec 09, 2016
@idiot nazi sympathizer stevepigbrain
THE TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INSPECTION
you say there isn't evidence?
here's a start
http://www.jewish...al1.html

considering that you've not been able to actually produce anything but your claim of a belief, then all that is required to refute you is a counter-claim
BUT
the above link also lists details and references

your choice in this topic is that you don't want to actually go to the source to actually see the evidence (that would be Germany, or the UN and other libraries or similar repositories of physical evidence)

unlike you, i've been to a few sites myself as well

.

making your pro-nazi claim on the net while arguing there is no evidence is like saying you don't believe in Space because no one here has been there themselves

it's truly, phenomenally stupid
ignorance can't hide from evidence, and there is plenty above
so STFU and FOAD
Captain Stumpy
2.7 / 5 (7) Dec 09, 2016
@idiot nazi sympathizer stevepigbrain cont'd
You can't debate on evidence
you've not presented any evidence that refutes or falsifies the existing evidence, which can be found at multiple locations, like: the library of congress, the UN, Nuremberg, etc

until you can actually produce factual, physical evidence that directly contradicts the physical evidence located at various places (you know, the stuff that was used in the Nuremberg trials to prosecute, etc...) then your argument simply is one of stating you didn't personally see the evidence so it must be false

so anyone that has actually seen the evidence would be a refute to you
here is more evidence and since you're illiterate, there are pictures you can actually look at that completely debunk your claims making you the biggest idiot on the net
https://www.ushmm...10007147

http://www.wsj.co...23756502
Stevepidge
3.8 / 5 (10) Dec 09, 2016
Maybe stumpy, if you actually peruse the post history here, you will see that my posts containing said evidence were redacted by moderation. The problem appears to be with the moderators and their lack of temerity pertaining upsetting mainstream apple carts. If you truly want evidence I would be glad to provide mounds of it. However, I suspect you are just a bloviating hack. Ruled by emotions and swayed by "popular" opinion.
Captain Stumpy
2.7 / 5 (7) Dec 09, 2016
@idiot nazi sympathizer stevepigbrain
you will see that my posts containing said evidence were redacted by moderation
your posts contained absolutely no evidence, only your claims
If you truly want evidence I would be glad to provide mounds of it
until you can provide the equivalent evidence that proves the current forensic and physical evidence is false, you're posting hate speech, lies and blatant stupidity (also known as a False Claim - http://www.auburn...ion.html )
Ruled by emotions and swayed by "popular" opinion
nope
I follow the evidence

and i have also personally seen this evidence IRL, not only from visiting sites like Dachau and Matthausen

if you want to deny it - that is your choice
but understand it is a belief

it's not fact

fact is evidenciary and objective - not subjective like your claims

just because you ignore the evidence doesn't mean you're correct
it means you're stupid
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 09, 2016
Lets start simple shall we. The jews to this day still claim 6 million yada yada yada. Yet the plaques have been changed commemorating the camp from 4 million to 1.5 million.
https://www.googl...HdgLM%3A

Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 09, 2016
Then you would know, that dachau and matthausen were never "extermination" camps although I have in my possession allied reels claiming that gassings took place in dachau. It is a KNOWN and admitted fact that Dachau NEVER gassed ANYONE.
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 09, 2016
No gassings on German soil ever took place, despkte.Wiesenthal claiming it did in the 70s.
http://www.ihr.or...aff.html
Captain Stumpy
2.5 / 5 (8) Dec 09, 2016
@idiot nazi sympathizer stevepigbrain
Lets start simple shall we
if your brain can handle it... you're welcome to try
The jews to this day still claim 6 million yada yada yada
define "yada yada yada" - if you're going to make a clear argument then please be specific and precise
Yet the plaques have been changed commemorating the camp from 4 million to 1.5 million
are you really arguing that the wording and change of numbers is equivalent evidence that proves the physical forensic evidence in Nuremburg, the UN and Army files doesn't exist?

are you saying that the overestimation is proof of anything other than overestimation?

how many polls and census records can you bring to the argument?
let me see.... NONE

hmm... so a picture of a changed number is evidence of exactly what?
it is proof of: a picture of a changed number

that's it
nothing more

it also doesn't mean that the event never existed
Captain Stumpy
2.3 / 5 (9) Dec 09, 2016
@idiot nazi sympathizer stevepigbrain
Then you would know, that dachau and matthausen were never "extermination" camps
i also happen to know that they weren't labeled extermination camps - however, this is like saying that no one dies in prison because it's not labeled as a death camp

making the ASSUmption that the holocaust didn't exist over semantics or the argument of personal label is like saying the ISS can't be called a home-away-from-home by astronauts simply because it wasn't labeled it as such

so far you have presented argument from subjective opinion
not evidence

even claims from historical survivors are circumstantial unless corroborated by physical evidence

what you haven't addressed is the physical evidence

when you can actually address that, with refute that is EQUIVALENT, feel free to argue it in front of the UN

until then...
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 09, 2016
Show me an autopsy proving anyone died of cyanide gas. Its not my job to verify your claims. Prove it. You daid it yourself, people lie.
RealityCheck
2.3 / 5 (9) Dec 09, 2016
Stevepidge.

So Hitler's speeches about exterminating the Jews didn't happen? The policies/special units he ordered to carry out that extermination didn't happen?

The 'defense' of those lower order perpetrators was "I was just following orders!".

The excuse from those highest up was "I didn't realize the Nazi murders of Jews/other civilians was so bad and widespread!".

Didn't happen?

When documentary, eye-witness, photographic and newsreel evidence of the organized atrocities was presented, it didn't happen?

When Nazis massacred whole villages in retaliation for underground activities of some, it didn't happen?

And your last resort is to quibble about whether it was a couple MILLION or a few MILLIONS?

Steve, do you even realize how chaotic/widespread the Nazi horrors went across Europe, and how many 'disappeared' without a trace because much specific/obvious evidence was systematically (not totally successfully) 'cleaned up' by "special units"?

Stop it, Steve.
Stevepidge
3.5 / 5 (11) Dec 09, 2016
All you have is bodies presented as being gassed to death. There were no autopsies done. None. These deaths were due to supply lines being cut at the end of the war as germany was in chaos. The resulting deaths were from typhus and starvation during the final months.There were no homicidal gas chambers, period. There is no speech Hitler ever gave calling for the extermination of the jewish race.

You also talk about special units, these SS units did not run around murdering jews. But the soviets sure as heck did, and the soviets were run by jews, period. The murder of 7 million ukrainians by kaganovich alone in 1933 is astounding. All of your evidence is hearsay not physical evidence of a crime committed. This is not justice nor is it factual, and it certainly would not stand up in a court of law.

Did jews die during the war? Sure. Were 6 million externinated by cyanide gas? Absolutely not.
Stevepidge
3.8 / 5 (10) Dec 09, 2016
And yes realityfarce, numbers matter, eslecially when questioning the official 6 million numbers can land you in prison for in essence a thought crime. Yes they do matter very much.
Hat1208
4 / 5 (4) Dec 09, 2016
@Steve Pidge the idiot

Were 6 million externinated by cyanide gas?

I have never heard or read of any one saying that. If you are pissed off about kaganovich why not bitch about him instead of twisting words and nit picking facts.
antigoracle
Dec 09, 2016
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tesschris
Dec 10, 2016
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arcmetal
not rated yet Dec 10, 2016
Dark Matter is molten chocolate.

I always pictured dark matter was very small rocks.
Cherries. Mud. - Churches.
Lead. - A duck!
Exactly.
So, logically--
If she weighs the same as a duck...
Captain Stumpy
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 10, 2016
@idiot nazi sympathizer stevepigbrain aka cantdrive
Its not my job to verify your claims
1- it is your job to prove your own argument with equivalent evidence to refute the subject matter... and as such, you have yet to be able to address the physical evidence.
considering you are ignoring the overwhelming physical evidence simply because you refuse to actually seek it out, then the argument can't continue as you can't actually provide equivalent evidence or the requisite refute to the physical forensic evidence

2- you are the one arguing against the evidence with only claims and opinion, not i
You daid it yourself, people lie
i "daid" [sic] no such thing, but i have proven it.
including, but not limited to: your argument above
There were no homicidal gas chambers, period.
obviously you've never been to Dachau, Matthausen or anywhere other than your mom's basement

ignoring the physical evidence don't make you smart, or your words more true, ya nazi
barakn
5 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2016
@ Phys1-Skippy. ... I for one would really hate to see you go. I learn a lot from your posts. And it is not right for them to be left the field. They win by default if we do that.
... I am humbly begging you not to let them win that easy. Please stay, please.. -Uncle Ira
Do they win by default? The only reason they post is to get a reaction. If there was no one left on phys.org to react, the racists and the cranks would stop posting too, and phys.org would dry up and blow away in the wind. And would that be a huge loss? No, there are plenty of other science news sites, some allowing pseudonym usernames, some with better moderation. It has long been evident that phys.org survives by stirring up controversy - witness the ape/pig hybrid "theory" and the tolerance of the toilet-mouth antigoracle - to generate page views for its advertisers. This is pretty close to the last straw for me.
cantdrive85
4.1 / 5 (9) Dec 10, 2016
Do they win by default? The only reason they post is to get a reaction. If there was no one left on phys.org to react, the racists and the cranks would stop posting too, and phys.org would dry up and blow away in the wind. And would that be a huge loss? No, there are plenty of other science news sites, some allowing pseudonym usernames, some with better moderation. It has long been evident that phys.org survives by stirring up controversy - witness the ape/pig hybrid "theory" and the tolerance of the toilet-mouth antigoracle - to generate page views for its advertisers. This is pretty close to the last straw for me.

What?!?! No, no, please no! You're my A+ #1 stalker/troll voter, I'd be lost without you barakn. You are almost solely responsible for my 1.5 rating (save Cap'n Stoopid and the late vietkiller) via your various daisy chain of cockpuppets. At least keep your accounts on so you can apply your autobot downvote scheme.
barakn
5 / 5 (3) Dec 10, 2016
As much as it may please you to think one person is responsible for your abysmal rating and that everyone else loves you, I do not have any sockpuppets or bots, and believe it or not I have given some of your posts a 5. And speaking of daisy chain of sockpuppets, someone else has decided to lavish your most recent post with a lot of 5s. I'm smart enough to know these aren't your sockpuppets.
Captain Stumpy
3 / 5 (2) Dec 10, 2016
And speaking of daisy chain of sockpuppets, someone else has decided to lavish your most recent post with a lot of 5s. I'm smart enough to know these aren't your sockpuppets.
Those are zephir's socks... apparently he is pissed off at being banhammered yet again

this happens every time he gets banned -
he generates a new sock and then uses his sock army to lash out at anyone who actually requests him to produce real science or evidence

there is a master list tracking zeph on several sites, but i think the one on Sapo's Joint is actually the most accurate and recent
Moebius
5 / 5 (1) Dec 14, 2016
@phys.org
Can you at least remove holocaust denialist Stevepidge?
Or should I bring this to the attention of the appropriate organisations?
Did I tell you that the moderation here is inadequate
and hurts the interest of science?


Inadequate? the moderators here are class A morons, only exceeded by the even more stupid moderators at physicsforums. They have to be the dumbest smart people on the planet.

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