Search narrows for Planet Nine

February 23, 2016
The six most distant known objects in the solar system with orbits exclusively beyond Neptune (magenta) all mysteriously line up in a single direction. Also, when viewed in three dimensions, they all tilt nearly identically away from the plane of the solar system. Batygin and Brown show that a planet with 10 times the mass of the earth in a distant eccentric orbit anti-aligned with the other six objects (orange) is required to maintain this configuration. The diagram was created using WorldWide Telescope. Credit: Caltech/R. Hurt (IPAC)

US astronomers announced last month they may have found a ninth planet beyond Neptune, but conceded they had no idea where on an estimated 10,000-20,000-year orbit it might be.

On Tuesday, a French science quartet said they have narrowed the search area.

By studying data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn, the seventh planet from the Sun, they could exclude two zones, the team wrote in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.

Their work confirmed that a ninth planet might exist in the far reaches of our Solar System, co-author Jacques Laskar of the Paris Observatory told AFP, "but not just anywhere".

Based on , the French scientists calculated what influence a ninth planet—travelling along the orbit postulated by the Americans—would have on the movement of other as it passed nearby.

They then looked at how the known planets actually behaved.

The postulated planet is thought to circle the Sun in a lopsided, highly elongated, oval loop.

This artist's concept illustration received January 20, 2016 courtesy of Caltech/Robert Hurt shows a distant view from Planet Ni
This artist's concept illustration received January 20, 2016 courtesy of Caltech/Robert Hurt shows a distant view from Planet Nine back towards the sun

At its most distant from the Sun, the planet would be too far too away for any effect on other planets to ever be detectable, thus limiting astronomers to a searchable zone representing only about half of the total orbit.

Now Laskar and his team have reduced the search area by 50 percent by eliminating two zones in which they say the modelling does not match reality.

"We have cut the work in half," he told AFP.

Last month, astronomers Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown predicted the existence of what they dubbed Planet Nine, about 10 times more massive than Earth.

Its existence was predicted with mathematical modelling and computer simulations, and was said to exactly explain the strange clumping behaviour of a group of in the Kuiper Belt, a field of icy objects and debris beyond Neptune.

Laskar and his team said the search field can be further narrowed if Cassini, due to finish its mission next year, is extended to 2020.

Chart showing the zones where astronomers think the ninth planet in the Solar System is most likely to be found.

Astronomers expect it would take years to find Planet Nine, if it exists at all.

It would take a very large telescope to spot the planet at that distance, and with no clear idea of where on its very large orbit it is.

Many other planets have been predicted through modelling over the years, mostly wrongly.

In one famous case the science was right—the discovery of Neptune, first predicted from its gravitational pull on Uranus.

Explore further: Predicting planets: The highs and lows

More information: Constraints on the location of a possible 9th planet derived from the Cassini data, in A&A Letters, A. Fienga, J. Laskar, H. Manche, M. Gastineau.

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SCVGoodToGo
4.4 / 5 (20) Feb 23, 2016
"By studying data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn, the seventh planet from the Sun, they could exclude two zones, the team wrote in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics."

Read that paragraph and tell me what's wrong with it.

Mark Thomas
2.6 / 5 (8) Feb 23, 2016
It would not be surprising to learn the proposed a 5-15 Earth mass planet between 200 AU to 1,200 AU from the sun does not exist, but time will tell.

If you compare Mike Brown's estimates against the detection limits of NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) space telescope, Planet 9 should already have been detected except in the most distant part of Planet 9's proposed orbit.
(http://www.space....e.html).
baudrunner
1.8 / 5 (11) Feb 23, 2016
If this is indeed the legendary Planet X, then the search can be narrowed down considerably. It should currently be passing through,or has passed through very recently, the Pisces constellation. If they find it there, then this would be the legendary planet the ancients called Nibiru.

Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (11) Feb 23, 2016
"By studying data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn, the seventh planet from the Sun, they could exclude two zones, the team wrote in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics."

Read that paragraph and tell me what's wrong with it.

They must be counting the asteroid belt as a planet....
Uncle Ira
3.3 / 5 (15) Feb 23, 2016
"By studying data from NASA's Cassini spacecraft orbiting Saturn, the seventh planet from the Sun, they could exclude two zones, the team wrote in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics."

Read that paragraph and tell me what's wrong with it.

They must be counting the asteroid belt as a planet....


Okayeei, I am sort of slow on some of this stuff? What is wrong? From the picture it shows a pie slice that is probable and two pie slices that is excluded. Cassini-Skippy is the closest guy to him we got out there with instrumentation, so what is wrong?

Maybe Cassini-Skippy can figure something out by Saturn's wibble-wobbling?
Uncle Ira
4 / 5 (21) Feb 23, 2016
Hooyeei, I am the idiot this time, eh? Saturn is the number 6 planet not the number 7. Ha and Ho!!!
javjav
3.7 / 5 (3) Feb 23, 2016
Smaller telescopes may have a chance by looking for unexpected star occultations in the predicted orbit.
TechnoCreed
4.5 / 5 (11) Feb 23, 2016
Ira facepalm for your first comment. Thank god you fell back on your boots on the second.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (16) Feb 23, 2016
Ira facepalm for your first comment. Thank god you fell back on your boots on the second.
I was looking for something way over my pay-grade and Skippy-Tripped over the stuffs I learned in elementary school.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (10) Feb 23, 2016
Ira facepalm for your first comment. Thank god you fell back on your boots on the second.
I was looking for something way over my pay-grade and Skippy-Tripped over the stuffs I learned in elementary school.

I gave ya a li'l hint...:-)
Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (15) Feb 23, 2016
Ira facepalm for your first comment. Thank god you fell back on your boots on the second.
I was looking for something way over my pay-grade and Skippy-Tripped over the stuffs I learned in elementary school.

I gave ya a li'l hint...:-)

And sometimes ol Ira is looking for a forest and stumbles over a tree. Or something like that, you know what I mean.
Whydening Gyre
4.8 / 5 (11) Feb 23, 2016
Ira facepalm for your first comment. Thank god you fell back on your boots on the second.
I was looking for something way over my pay-grade and Skippy-Tripped over the stuffs I learned in elementary school.

I gave ya a li'l hint...:-)

And sometimes ol Ira is looking for a forest and stumbles over a tree. Or something like that, you know what I mean.

I've tripped over a few in my day...
Anyway... Hopefully it was just the author's mistake and not the actual team reporting it...:-)
But, Kudo's to SVC for catching it... cuz I didn't when I read the article.
promile
Feb 23, 2016
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Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (18) Feb 23, 2016
@ Zephir-Skippy. How you are podna? I am good like I usually am, thanks for asking. I got a question for you, not argue, but I am just curious me.

the nearing end of ignorant epoch of mainstream physics.


How could anybody who lives in this modern age with all our gadgets and doo-dads and the interweb and flying off into space and peoples living to be 90 or 88 years old and all such like,,, call this the "ignorant epoch of mainstream physics"?

I think the science and physics world is pretty marvelous and wondrous. I might not know much of the physics stuffs you know about, but I still think we live in a really remarkable "epoch of mainstream physics."
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 23, 2016
"If you compare Mike Brown's estimates against the detection limits of NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) space telescope, Planet 9 should already have been detected except in the most distant part of Planet 9's proposed orbit."

I corrected the link address and found as per Brown's estimate it would not, since PN likely is smaller than Saturn. If you want to know what WISE has eliminated, you can go to the source: http://www.findpl...age.html .

As you can see from the last graph it _may_ have eliminated a gap in between where Catalina (and PAN-STARRS et cetera) has eliminated PN out to much further distances, depending on the size of PN.

[tbctd]
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 23, 2016
[ctd]

Brown: "Sadly, [WISE] is not very sensitive to ~Neptune sized objects, which could barely be seen to Planet Nine's ~200 AU closest approach. Luhman has redone the survey using the more sensitive bands of the WISE data (but which covers a very limited part of the sky), and reports that there is still nothing there. He is still trying to understand what the limits are for a ~10 earth mass object, but we have hope that WISE would have seen Planet Nine in the section near Planet Nine's perihelion where it crosses the Milky Way. Stay tuned."
torbjorn_b_g_larsson
4.5 / 5 (8) Feb 23, 2016
"If they find it there, then this would be the legendary planet the ancients called Nibiru."

Read that paragraph and tell me what's wrong with it.

[Tip: The planet is too far away to be a mythical 'Nibiru' visitor of the inner planet system. PN has _eliminated_ 'Nibiru', and much of the likelihood for 'Nemesis' too, removed the space where they could orbit in between passes further in/out.

Not that crackpots would notice, or care, "symptomatic for the never ending ignorant epoch of crackpot 'physics'.]
promile
Feb 23, 2016
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Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (13) Feb 23, 2016
How could anybody who lives in this modern age with all our gadgets and doo-dads and the interweb and flying off into space and peoples living to be 90 or 88 years old and all such like,,, call this the "ignorant epoch of mainstream physics"?
This is emergent effect similar to complementarity of black holes. Everything gets extreme today: both the success of mainstream physics, both its ignorance. The great success of mainstream theories has also lead into less than healthy belief in their universal validity.


I suppose I am just going to take your word on that one Zephir-Skippy. I got no idea what that means. That's my fault not yours,,, maybe.
Mark Thomas
1.8 / 5 (5) Feb 24, 2016
Torbjorn, the chart on my broken link (sorry) was credited to Penn State University. All I very simplistically did was draw a box around a 5-15 Earth mass planet between 200 AU to 1,200 AU as Mike Brown predicted, and nearly the whole thing was in the detected zone on that chart. I can think up a bunch of reasons why this might be wrong (chart is wrong, too close to galactic plane, WISE has an incompatible temperature sensitivity, etc.). However, WISE was supposed to answer this kind of question and ruled out Saturn-sized planets within 10,000 AU so some sensitivity to Neptune-sized planets between 200 AU to 1,200 AU seems likely.

http://wise.ssl.b...etX.html
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 24, 2016
@ Zephir-Skippy. How you are Cher? I am good and here, and now you are not here again. Sorry about that Podna, but you knew it was coming, right?
VZH
3 / 5 (4) Feb 25, 2016
Smaller telescopes may have a chance by looking for unexpected star occultations in the predicted orbit.

The planet is moving extremely slow for the star occultations to be noticeable.
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 25, 2016
Smaller telescopes may have a chance by looking for unexpected star occultations in the predicted orbit.

The planet is moving extremely slow for the star occultations to be noticeable.

@ Zephir-Skippy. How you are Cher? I have to give you credit for your amazing ability to never give up and taking the bumps and knocks in stride you.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (10) Feb 25, 2016
Smaller telescopes may have a chance by looking for unexpected star occultations in the predicted orbit.

The planet is moving extremely slow for the star occultations to be noticeable.

@ Zephir-Skippy. How you are Cher? I have to give you credit for your amazing ability to never give up and taking the bumps and knocks in stride you.

Are you sure it's Zeph? Personally, I find him WAY less annoying that the prosthelytizers that come in here. Entertaining and even knowledgable.
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (13) Feb 25, 2016
Are you sure it's Zeph?
Oh yeah, he's ol Zeph-Skippy. Non doubt about him. (I got the super duper CIA grade NASA approved computer with the Zephir-Skippy sniffing program on him. It is good for almost all the puppet couyons you see here, and you would be shocked at some of those, or maybe you would not be so shocked at them.)

Personally, I find him WAY less annoying that the prosthelytizers that come in here. Entertaining and even knowledgable.
Who the new VZH-Skippy? He only make that one postum so far, give him time.

If you are talking about Zeph-Skippys in general, yeah, I am kind of fond of him too. He is entertaining, and and always talks about everything BUT him selfs and how smart he is.
VZH
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 25, 2016
Are you sure it's Zeph?
Oh yeah, he's ol Zeph-Skippy. Non doubt about him. (I got the super duper CIA grade NASA approved computer with the Zephir-Skippy sniffing program on him. It is good for almost all the puppet couyons you see here, and you would be shocked at some of those, or maybe you would not be so shocked at them.)

Personally, I find him WAY less annoying that the prosthelytizers that come in here. Entertaining and even knowledgable.
Who the new VZH-Skippy? He only make that one postum so far, give him time.

If you are talking about Zeph-Skippys in general, yeah, I am kind of fond of him too. He is entertaining, and and always talks about everything BUT him selfs and how smart he is.

I find that offensive... :(
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (9) Feb 25, 2016
Who the new VZH-Skippy? He only make that one postum so far, give him time.

Don't know bout this one, but all the others, yes.

If you are talking about Zeph-Skippys in general, yeah, I am kind of fond of him too. He is entertaining, and and always talks about everything BUT him selfs and how smart he is.

Exactly. Don't even know his "credentials", but he does seem to be aware of a lot of relevant studies.
So.... VZH, if you are Zeph - Be proud, be loud and let your freak flag fly!
Mark Thomas
2.7 / 5 (7) Feb 25, 2016
"WISE . . . it could find a Neptune, if one existed, out to 700 AU."

"anything that doesn't have its own internal heat source will be too cold for WISE to detect. The objects need to be 70 to 100 Kelvin to be detectable; even another Earth, if there was such a body in the Kuiper belt, would be a frigid 35 Kelvin, too cold to spot."

"I spent nearly an hour on Tuesday with WISE principal investigator Ned Wright and project manager Bill Irace"

http://www.planet...070.html

So WISE does appear to put some constraints on the potential Planet 9. Mike Brown apparently thinks 200 AU is the limit while the WISE guys (pun intended) think it is more like 700 AU. A 10 Earth mass planet would presummably radiate less energy than a 17 Earth mass planet like Neptune, so nothing is certain just yet.
VZH
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 25, 2016
Who the new VZH-Skippy? He only make that one postum so far, give him time.

Don't know bout this one, but all the others, yes.

If you are talking about Zeph-Skippys in general, yeah, I am kind of fond of him too. He is entertaining, and and always talks about everything BUT him selfs and how smart he is.

Exactly. Don't even know his "credentials", but he does seem to be aware of a lot of relevant studies.
So.... VZH, if you are Zeph - Be proud, be loud and let your freak flag fly!

Are YOU Zeph and you are proud as you speak so loud? Or maybe "Ira-Gyre" is just one person from mad-tea-party?
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (10) Feb 25, 2016
Exactly. Don't even know his "credentials", but he does seem to be aware of a lot of relevant studies.So.... VZH, if you are Zeph - Be proud, be loud and let your freak flag fly!

Are YOU Zeph and you are proud as you speak so loud? Or maybe "Ira-Gyre" is just one person from mad-tea-party?

LOL ! NOT zeph...:-) He's smarter than I am.
And, as far as ira/gyre - I only talk to myself in front of my wife (just to keep her guessing...)
AGreatWhopper
3.7 / 5 (9) Feb 25, 2016
Whydening Gyre 5 / 5 (4) 8 hours ago

Are you sure it's Zeph?


His comments have been deleted. The moderator(s) only delete very specific persons' comments. The RNA idiot from Georgia whose name I can't remember and Zeph seem to be the only two that get moderated. That would suggest that promile is Zephur. Promile- the brand- is very popular in the Czech Republic. It's also used to treat skin conditions. Would fit if Zeph had some hideous skin disease why he sits at home trolling so much.
Vietvet
4.1 / 5 (9) Feb 25, 2016
The idiot from Georgia was JVK, he was perms banned, as was @verkle though he is back as
BartV. The bans wouldn't have happened without readers contacting the moderators repeatedly
to complain about their abuse of the comments section.

Uncle Ira
3.9 / 5 (14) Feb 25, 2016
That would suggest that promile is Zephur.

Don't need to suggest anything. Zephir-Skippy never denies who he is no matter what his current name is. He always admits it and never tries to hide it. (One of his positives). Choot we been fooling around with the Zephir-Skippy for years and years and years. He has had over three dozen different names on the physorg and never denied one of them.

If you accuse somebody of being Zephir and he comes back to say he IS NOT Zephir, then it is the safe bet to believe him
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 25, 2016
Who's up to a round of Name the Zephirs? I will start off. (Voting puppets that never postumed don't count.)

Natello,
Teach,
HTK,
Yash17,
Franklins,
Calisto,
otero,
Doiea,
Teriva,
ValeriaT,

I don't want to have all the fun so I stopped at ten,,,,
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (8) Feb 25, 2016
That would suggest that promile is Zephur.

Don't need to suggest anything. Zephir-Skippy never denies who he is no matter what his current name is. He always admits it and never tries to hide it. (One of his positives). Choot we been fooling around with the Zephir-Skippy for years and years and years. He has had over three dozen different names on the physorg and never denied one of them.

If you accuse somebody of being Zephir and he comes back to say he IS NOT Zephir, then it is the safe bet to believe him

If you look closely, tho, VZH did not actually deny...
And - I don't even recognize at least 3 of those, so....
You Win!
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 25, 2016
If you look closely, tho, VZH did not actually deny...

Trust me Cher, it is Zephir-Skippy.

And - I don't even recognize at least 3 of those, so....

Whydening-Skippy. That is just tip of the berg Cher. All of those he posted as much or more than promile. He has over three dozen puppets he postumed with for the last 10 or 9 years. And I am only talking about the ones used to write with, not the vote-only-puppets.

You Win!
Not so fast there Skippy. Give some other peoples a chance, there are still plenty of Zephs left,,,,,
TehDog
5 / 5 (9) Feb 25, 2016
I'm just gonna leave this here :)
http://phys.org/n...ass.html
VZH
3.4 / 5 (5) Feb 26, 2016
Sorry guys, but I don't understand your paranoia about "Zeph". I'm new to this site and I have no idea who is Zeph, certainly I'm not him whoever he is, but your 'by-default-suspicion' makes me offended and I tend to report your comments about me.
Captain Stumpy
3.9 / 5 (7) Feb 26, 2016
Sorry guys, but I don't understand your paranoia about "Zeph". I'm new to this site and I have no idea who is Zeph, certainly I'm not him whoever he is, but your 'by-default-suspicion' makes me offended and I tend to report your comments about me.
@VZH
i wouldn't take it personal... yet

give it time and let the site see your posts and read what you have to say... your personality will *always* come out in the end

and it's not a paranoia so much as it is fatigue and maybe some anger at the lack of moderation

everyone new gets called zeph (or worse) at some point

if the above makes you offended, you may want to consider going to a moderated site like SciForums where moderation exists more than just occasionally
VZH
5 / 5 (4) Feb 26, 2016
Thanks Captain, I'll consider that.
chileastro
3.7 / 5 (12) Feb 26, 2016
baudrunner 1.7 / 5 (7) Feb 23, 2016
If this is indeed the legendary Planet X, then the search can be narrowed down considerably. It should currently be passing through,or has passed through very recently, the Pisces constellation. If they find it there, then this would be the legendary planet the ancients called Nibiru.


Why did you remove the tinfoil hat for your profile picture? I've never quite understood the basis for that. Aliens invent mind control...but aluminum foil stops them cold. Right.

Are you just trolling? How out of touch do you have to be to not know, a) Everyone has heard that before, and b) Anyone with a brain has dismissed it as wildest inanity. And NO ONE said it was Planet X. There is no Planet X. Planet X was a hypothesis based on Neptune's orbital irregularities. We've learned it doesn't have orbital irregularities, but a different mass. Pluto was found as a coincidence. QED, there is no Planet X. This is totally different.
AGreatWhopper
3.2 / 5 (13) Feb 26, 2016
Don't you love the way the cranks always throw in some essential little detail that just happens to be totally wrong?

It should currently be passing through,or has passed through very recently, the Pisces constellation.


Assuming its near the ecliptic- and there's no reason yet to think otherwise- do you realize how long it would take to "pass through Pisces"? We're talking hundreds of years. So, WTF does "recently" even mean in that context? Crikey, look at how long it takes Neptune to "pass through Pisces".

@spicyspace I think the two questions are related. A person that could believe that actually doesn't have the ability to know how widespread that fairy tale is, or how it's perceived.
antigoresockpuppet
1.6 / 5 (7) Feb 26, 2016
Aliens invent mind control...but aluminum foil stops them cold. Right.


MK Ultra invented mind control!
yaridanjo
2.3 / 5 (3) Feb 26, 2016
We think we have the nominal mass and orbital parameters of Planet Nine that we call Vulcan. Forbes almost discovered it in 1880. Here are the orbital parameters.
http://www.barry....d.html#5

Here is its mass

http://www.barry....d.html#2

Here is verification of its period.

http://www.barry....d.html#8
Uncle Ira
3.8 / 5 (10) Feb 26, 2016
I'm just gonna leave this here :)
http://phys.org/n...ass.html

I felt bad for Fleet-Skippy on that one. He was really outnumbered there, eh?
Uncle Ira
3.7 / 5 (9) Feb 26, 2016
I tend to report your comments about me.
Yeah, you have had a lot success with that one, eh? And what usually happens?
VZH
4 / 5 (4) Feb 26, 2016
Can't calm down, don't you? I'm NOT ZEPH and registered on this site first time in my life and I don't want to be a target for your paranoia. Best thing you can do now is to apologize.
Benni
3.2 / 5 (9) Feb 26, 2016
Can't calm down, don't you? I'm NOT ZEPH and registered on this site first time in my life and I don't want to be a target for your paranoia. Best thing you can do now is to apologize.


@VZH,

Sometimes it works to be persistent in clicking the Report on the likes of Ira, Captain Stumpy, Phys 1 & a couple others. But in addition to that go to the Contact at the bottom of each page & tell Phys.Org you will use adblocking software if pariahs like these are not blocked from Commentary. If a 100 people use add blocking software, that will get Phy.Org's attention more than the Report feature.

One thing you can be sure of, the names I just posted will be quick to downvote this post with 1s, those who do this are simply a bunch of haters on a get even binge because they don't like people posting on this site who are vastly smarter & better educated than themselves.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (9) Feb 26, 2016
...quick to downvote ...
@Ben-Kam
yep, but not because of why you think!

ad-block will not affect PO's bottom line any more than you not reading billboards has stopped them from being used (most competent users have some kind of adblock)

PO revenue will come from:
1- the number of posters and unique profiles (this is why you're not banhammered, b)
2- the volume of activity on the site (this AND above is why anonymizers aren't prohibited to keep out zeph, benni, etc)
3- actually clicking ON the ad
4- donations/sponsored accounts
they don't like people ...who are vastly smarter & better educated...
i prefer those types
what is NOT liked is someone who makes false claims (LIES) and can't actually support their conjecture with evidence... like your ODE comments
you can't actually do math
http://phys.org/n...ood.html

http://phys.org/n...als.html

that is EVIDENCE of your inability
Uncle Ira
4.1 / 5 (13) Feb 26, 2016
One thing you can be sure of, the names I just posted will be quick to downvote this post with 1s, those who do this are simply a bunch of ,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,, who don't like me very much because I am in a select group of crankpots and trolls who earned our low karma scores the the old fashion way,,, by being stupid and trollish.


There is one I can agree with Bennie-Skippy. Now don't you got some different equating to do?
Whydening Gyre
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 26, 2016
those who do this are simply a bunch of haters on a get even binge because they don't like people posting on this site who are vastly smarter & better educated than themselves.

And THAT comment is exactly why they don't.
VZH
5 / 5 (2) Feb 27, 2016
Now I feel sorry for the conflict developed far beyond the initial (bad) joke...
obama_socks
5 / 5 (3) Feb 27, 2016
"US astronomers announced last month they may have found a ninth planet ..." No, they didn't. This is simply false. They announced that they have analyzed the orbits of the outer planets and some large Kuiper Belt objects and can explain some of the questions about them by postulating a large-ish planet (relative to Earth, tiny compared to Jupiter) on a highly elliptical orbit thousands of AU larger than any of the inner or (other) outer planets. Science journalism is about explaining the technical for the general reader, it's rotten journalism to so distort it as to make it completely misleading. Epic Fail.
- Ogg
That's why it says, ".....they MAY have found a ninth planet...". Not that they did find one.
Mike_Massen
2.1 / 5 (7) Feb 28, 2016
Captain Stumpy's ideal
...what is NOT liked is someone who makes false claims (LIES) and can't actually support their conjecture...
Well unless they emotionally influence others through sporadic facile humour ?

Is this a universal Captain Stumpy ? is it true that *anyone* who makes false claims and goes further to LIE in unwarranted personal attacks should be "..NOT liked" ?

Is there an exception Captain Stumpy, that its ok to make False claims, Lie & Bully if they are your personal intimate friends ?

Have you heard of the term being "consistent", have you heard of the cliche' "evil wins when good men do nothing" ie Pathetic ?

Other than idle usefulness of Uncle Ira showing all how NOT to behave on public forum re:-

- Confusing claim with evidence
- Making things up to pursue personal attack
- Bullying with facile humour to ingratiate & contrive acceptance

What Captain Stumpy, is Uncle Ira's "Necessary Function" here ?

Isnt Evidence key Captain Stumpy ?
bluehigh
5 / 5 (3) Feb 28, 2016
Cheer up, Mike,
You know what they say ...

Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle!
And this'll help things turn out for the best ...

and Always look on the bright side of life!
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (6) Feb 28, 2016
Cheer up, Mike,
You know what they say ...

Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle!
And this'll help things turn out for the best ...

As a limerick, I'd have to call that one a fail, BH...:-)
(Imagining whistling while eating gristle.... YUK.)
bluehigh
5 / 5 (4) Feb 28, 2016
@WG

I'm not sure that Eric Idle had the structure of a limerick in mind at the time. Something about improvising while being nailed to a wooden cross (simulated of course) made this lyrical effort memorable and good life advice.

He's here in Sydney with John Cleese for a live performance. Should be fun.
bluehigh
5 / 5 (4) Feb 28, 2016
Perhaps for Mike, the Galaxy Song (Eric Idle) might also help and is, of course, about Astro-Sciency stuff.

The last stanza ...

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (9) Feb 28, 2016
@WG

I'm not sure that Eric Idle had the structure of a limerick in mind at the time. Something about improvising while being nailed to a wooden cross (simulated of course) made this lyrical effort memorable and good life advice.

He's here in Sydney with John Cleese for a live performance. Should be fun.

Too bad the whole troupe isn't there - Then you'd get the "Full Monty"...:-)
Uncle Ira
4.2 / 5 (5) Feb 28, 2016
Mike-Skippy's mental conditions are on display again
Captain Stumpy's ideal Blah Blah and Blah.


Mike-Skippy obvious spends most of his life alone in a rubber room with nobody to talk to but him self
Blah Blah and Blah I am the smartest. Blah I am the wisest Blah I have great gravitas and this is how a person with my kind of gravitas talks to the little peoples Blah.


Mike-Skippy obviously has failed with
Blah Blah and more Blah
PROVE IT!!!!

Mike-Skippy just can't make sense to anybody except those peoples in the rubber room with him while he is all alone in there there
Blah Blah and a BIG OL WHINING BLAH
Sad but true Cher, sad but true.

LEARN PHYSICS!!!
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Feb 28, 2016
Is there an exception Captain Stumpy
@mike
1- i was not part of that argument nor did i see the bulk of the posts between you two
2- i have seen you misrepresent a post others made when you linked it by mangling the quote into something other than what it was - should i now start downrating you as well to be consistent with what you want?
3- it was resolved between you two, and i don't vote or uprate either of you when you fight about it. because the bulk of the reason you drag it up is you want an apology, and i can't FORCE anyone to do that, so it is NOT my problem
4- you are lying about my involvement between you two... watch it - because I WAS NOT THERE
5- VERY IMPORTANT - i don't see Ira posting non-factual things about you now... or did i miss something above? POINT IT OUT
gkam
1 / 5 (9) Feb 28, 2016
Stumpy is not a judge, and Ira did his best to lynch VZH before he could defend himself. You have revealed your own characters here, not that of VZH .

Good thing you both HIDE behind pseudonyms. Otherwise folk would know what kind you really are when you think nobody can find you.
Estevan57
4.6 / 5 (9) Feb 28, 2016
"Too bad the whole troupe isn't there - Then you'd get the "Full Monty"...:-)" - Whydening Gyre

Thank you for the awesome pun.

@gkam The way you talk, I'm kind of glad you can't find me...

Estevan57
4.5 / 5 (8) Feb 29, 2016
"Good thing you both HIDE behind pseudonyms. Otherwise folk would know what kind you really are when you think nobody can find you." - gkam

Newsflash! Because I think nobody can find me, they already know what kind I really am.

Hence the reason for pseudonyms! Figure it out home boy!
Whydening Gyre
5 / 5 (6) Feb 29, 2016
"Good thing you both HIDE behind pseudonyms. Otherwise folk would know what kind you really are when you think nobody can find you." - gkam

Newsflash! Because I think nobody can find me, they already know what kind I really am.

Hence the reason for pseudonyms! Figure it out home boy!

Cautious?
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Feb 29, 2016
Scared.
Captain Stumpy
3.7 / 5 (6) Mar 03, 2016
Scared.

this demonstrates the value of not allowing idiots like benni-kam to have your personal information and the ability to find your address

https://www.youtu...RgQX82O4
gkam
1 / 5 (7) Mar 03, 2016
Stumpy put my name and SS number on the internet. He will answer for it.

How did this forum get stuck with the snipers here? How did it wind up with otto the Vandal, Stumpy the Hider, and the other bad-mouthing malcontents here, like antigore, and the Twitter-like Ira?

Time for a cleanup.
Captain Stumpy
4.2 / 5 (5) Mar 03, 2016
https://www.youtu...q3xuHkgE

i distinctly saw beni-kam!
Stumpy put my name and SS number on the internet
beni-kam
1- i warned you to redact all personal info in an e-mail
2- you agreed to the terms/conditions when you sent the info
He will answer for it
threats will get you nowhere
send your lawyer my e-mail addy: will be happy to comply with a summons... until then, you are stalking, threatening, OT and trolling
(reported)
Stumpy the Hider
1- i'm NOT anonymous
2- you have my e-mail, personal info and location - how is that hiding, you moron! LMFAO

cwret
not rated yet Apr 05, 2016
I think they are pulling Uranus....

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