Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres

Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
Pluto with its enigmatic “crater” photographed on June 27. The apparent row of three depressions near the bottom of the globe are most likely artifacts from processing. Credit: NASA/Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory/Southwest Research Institute

You're probably as eager as I am for new images of Pluto and Ceres as both New Horizons and Dawn push ever closer to their respective little worlds. Recent photos, of which there are only a few, reveal some wild new features including what appears to a large crater on Pluto.

In the end, this apparent large impact might only be a contrast effect or worse, an artifact of over-processing, but there's no denying its strong resemblance to foreshortened, shadow-filled craters seen on the Moon and other moons. It's also encouraging that an earlier photo from June 27 shows the same feature. But the "crater" is just so … big! Its size seems disproportionate to the Pluto's globe and recalls Saturn's 246-mile-wide moon Mimas with its 81-mile-wide crater Herschel.

Astronomers speculate the impact that gouged out Herschel came perilously close to shattering the moon to pieces. If it does turn out to be an crater, Pluto's surface opposite the impact will likely show many fractures. Not to be outdone, the 's largest moon, Charon, is starting to show a personality of its own with a prominent dark north polar cap.

Since polar caps are normally bright, icy features, some have referred to this one as an "anti-polar cap". Speaking of ice, the bright rim around Pluto in the photo above may be nitrogen frost condensing out of Pluto's scant atmosphere as it slowly recedes from the Sun. Think how cold it must have to get for nitrogen to freeze out. How about -346° F (-210° C)! For new images of the Pluto system, be sure to check the New Horizons LORRI gallery page.

Closer to home, new photos of Ceres show a peculiar, pyramid-shaped mountain towering 3 miles (5 km) high from a relatively smooth region between two large craters. Mountains poking from crater floors aren't unusual. They're tossed up after the crust later rebounds after a large impact. What makes this one unusual is the lack of an associated . Moreover, the mountain's pale hue could indicate it's younger than the surrounding landscape. As far as we can tell, it's the only tall mountain on the face of the dwarf planet.

Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
The latest photo of Pluto (lower left) and its largest moon Charon taken on June 29. A large possible crater-like feature is visible at lower right. Charon shows intriguing dark markings. Pluto’s diameter is 1,471 miles (700 miles smaller than Earth’s Moon); Charon is 750 miles across. Credit: NASA/Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory/Southwest Research Institute

The Dawn team also photographed that cluster of white spots again, this time with a very shot exposure in to eke out more details. What do you think? If you're as interested in asteroids as I am, Italian astrophysicist Gianluca Masi, a frequent photo contributor to Universe Today, will host a special live Asteroid Day event today starting at 6 p.m. CDT (23:00 UT). Masi will review near-Earth asteroids, explain discovery techniques and observe several in real time.

  • Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
    Pluto (right) and Charon, showing an unusual dark north polar cap or “anti-cap” in a photo taken by New Horizons’ long-range camera on June 19, 2015. The two were about 20 million miles away at the time. Credit: NASA/Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory/Southwest Research Institute
  • Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
    Dawn took this photo of an intriguing pyramidal mountain (top center) on Ceres on June 14 from an altitude of 2,700 miles. It rises 3 miles above a relatively smooth surface. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA
  • Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
    Another more overhead view of the mountain (right of center) taken by NASA’s Dawn probe on June 6. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA
  • Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
    Cropped version of the photo above. Notice the striations on the mountainside possibly from landslides. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA
  • Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
    The Dawn team greatly underexposed Ceres in order to tease out more details from the white spot cluster in this image made on June 15 from 2,700 miles altitude. I’ve lightened the limb of Ceres to provide context. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA
  • Is that a big crater on Pluto? Pyramidal mountain found on Ceres
    Dawn photographed the large crater at left along with an interesting chain of craters and possible fault or collapse structures. Credit: NASA/Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory/Southwest Research Institute

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Jul 01, 2015
Ice mountain?

Jul 01, 2015
Oh, God, don't say 'pyramid'. How long is it before the "Face on Mars" conspiracy theorists start chattering about a Face on Ceres?
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Jul 01, 2015
Could have been just a slow moving icy asteroid that didn't hit hard enough to leave a crater and that's part of it still sticking out of the surface. Just worn down over time.

Jul 01, 2015
The "History" Channel will show us how it was used by Ancient Aliens.

Jul 01, 2015
Looks like urban sprawl at night. There is more light there than in all of North Korea.

Jul 01, 2015
Are people that unfamiliar with a stratovolcano.

Google for "stratovolcano from space" and you'll quickly see that the shape of that mountain on Ceres fits right in with Earthly stratovolcanoes, though on Ceres it would likely be a cyro-volcano.

Do NOT just google images for volcanos.

Stratovolcanos are the ones with that specific shape,and while common, simply requesting pictures of volcanoes will get you ones of all shapes and sizes.

Everything about that mountain resembles features we see on Earthly stratovolcanoes.

Those landslides look far more like flows of some sort again likely water/rock mix flowing rapidly down the side while boiling wildly would make what you see much better than landslides, and on the other side the landslide resembles what Mt. St. Helen's looked like after it blew its side out.

Why is the Dawn team is so reticent to speculate along these lines considering it's mainline science.

Jul 03, 2015
Looks like urban sprawl at night. There is more light there than in all of North Korea.


Well, if you are right, the spacecraft will soon mysteriously malfunction or disappear, and we will not get many more images.

Jul 04, 2015
Looks more like a cone than a pyramid to me.

Jul 05, 2015
Ancient Aliens fairly conclusively proved that the Great Pyramid was once used as some sort of chemical processing facility.

I don't agree with most of the stuff they do on that show, but they have managed to expose certain facts, artifacts, and monuments that traditional history channel programming never touches, and certainly the traditional history channel programming never tried to explore the possibility (and likelihood) of the Great Pyramids being something other than just over-sized burial chambers.

Traditional Historians: Missing all that Zinc residue in thos passage ways and not infering that much of the structure looks like it is designed to be a larger hopper and mixer combo....that's a big no-no.

Now I'm not an egyptologist, so I don't spend all day thinking about that sort of thing, else I would probably have noticed it myself, but when Ancient Aliens presented their argument for it being a chemical processing plant I couldn't find a flaw with their position.

Jul 05, 2015
Looks like urban sprawl at night. There is more light there than in all of North Korea.


If the U.S. more proactively opposed foreign dictators and their supporting regimes the prosperity and freedom of that nation could have been accomplished decades ago.

It only takes one smart bomb, or one sniper round, to kill a dictator....a couple dozen to kill all of the relatives and successors...and viola, peace.

Jul 05, 2015
Ancient Aliens fairly conclusively proved that the Great Pyramid was once used as some sort of chemical processing facility
@returnerTROLL
WTF?
because no building ever known to exist has ever used chemicals in its construction or housed them later for any reason whatsoever, right? and everyone knows that there are NO houses (especially in the US) with any chemicals in them that might leave residual forensics...right?
where is the empirical evidence for your claim? or will you simply post about your abduction and more pseudoscience based upon conjecture and whimsy again?
Now I'm not an egyptologist, so I don't spend all day thinking about that sort of thing
we know.. you also don't believe in actual evidence based science either (as shown here)
else I would probably have noticed it myself
because your IQ and relationship to aliens?
what?


Jul 05, 2015
Is that a big crater on Pluto?
Or is it just happy to see that probe?

Jul 05, 2015
Captain Stumpy:

It was shown from fact and with video evidence that two specific chemicals, I believe a Zinc compound and Hydrochloric acid (correction), were mixed in very large quantities to produce a reaction which produced hydrogen gas. The hydrogen gas was apparently then burned either to produce some sort of energy transport, or to power another chemical reaction.

the salt residues in these chambers is not trace amounts. It is large, industrial scale amounts of the residue along the walls and floor.

I had never thought about it before, but the layout of the facility looks just like an industrial facility. You just don't notice it at first because we are used to dealing with cylindrical mixers and pumps made of metal, but they were using square tunnels and cubical rooms, and gravity-feeding the reactants.

https://www.youtu...7Jf24dQY

This layout looks just like a hopper system for a chemical or plastics facility.

Jul 05, 2015
It was shown from fact and with video evidence that two specific chemicals, I believe a Zinc compound and Hydrogen Sulfide, were mixed in very large quantities to produce a reaction which produced hydrogen gas. The hydrogen gas was apparently then burned either to produce some sort of energy transport, or to power another chemical reaction
@returnerTROLL
no, it was supposed - where is the evidence other than "eyewitness" and speculations on film? perhaps they could send samples to laboratories for forensic analysis instead of speculation?
of course, there are never any reasons that chemicals could be present in houses/buildings/structures... right?

a youtube link is NOT evidence
link the papers which were submitted to peer review... especially considering your historical ASSertions of alien abduction (psychic rape?) and other pseudoscience - i'll not even open your video link unless it is IN a study
2Bcont'd

Jul 05, 2015
This layout looks just like a hopper system for a chemical or plastics facility
and the Cahokia mounds also look like a chemical treatment plant for aircraft parts before painting as well, but that is not proof that they WERE chemical alodine/anodize treatment facilities for historical aircraft and or canoes... so your "eyewitness" testimony and conjecture is equivalent to making a claim that "unicorn turds are used in modern super-glue"

I had never thought about it before, but the layout of the facility looks just like an industrial facility
adn you are not thinking now, either
see my remark about the Cahokia mounds above

this is called personal conjecture, just like almost 90% of the eu claims in astrophysics. just because it "looks like a duck" to you, doesn't mean it is a duck... it might look like a "loon" to me (it does) or a starling to another... it might simply look like a cross to someone else...

no evidence = conjecture & failure
again

Jul 05, 2015
Why is the Dawn team is so reticent to speculate along these lines considering it's mainline science.


Because it's not "mainline" science. Ceres is much too small and inactive to support this type of planetary processes.

Jul 05, 2015
The other shaft, leading down and to the right from the proposed reaction chamber, would be needed to give somewhere for the precipitate salts to go after the reaction occurred. These salts could be carried away in carts and used for other purposes: One of the other potential products of this reaction, assuming the reagents are not 100% pure, is hydrogen sulfide, which can be used in a series of processes to extract metals from ores, and then react again to liberate the metal.

The Egyptians were expert metallurgists, and are believed to have invented the first iron chariots, not to mention the known copper swords and copper drills (which were themselves used to cut out stone drills, which were used to work Limestone).

WE also know that the Egyptians and the Israelites both possessed some sort of mechanized Saw for cutting stone (as did the people who constructed the Sun Temple) because these cuts are not possible to make so precisely, repeatedly on a bevel with hand tools.

Jul 05, 2015
i'll not even open your video link unless it is IN a study
2Bcont'd


Then you are a fool.

"A fool answers a matter before he hears it." - The proverbs of Solomon.

Zinc Chloride can be used in the production of Vulcanized Fibre, which would be an appropriate material for use in composite-wooden materials*. We know the Egyptians understood composite bows and other similar materials, and how combining different types of materials can produce a material that is stronger than any of its constituents.

*If they were producing this process on a scale large enough to warrant this structure, then I must assume that the daughter produce would have been used in Vulcanized fiber for construction purposes, such as to use in venier and awnings, and possibly shields.

Thus I have show how both daughter products of the proposed reaction would have been useful to both the civilian industry and the military industry of the Egyptian civilization.

Jul 06, 2015
"A fool answers a matter before he hears it." - The proverbs of Solomon
@returnerTROLL
so... you call someone a fool because they prefer valid evidence because your holy comic book says so?
your holy comic also says:
Violence and torture cleanse evil PROV 20:30
Slavery is GREAT if your neighbors are not your denomination LEV 25:44-46
you should kill people working on the sabbath (SATURDAY) NUM 15:32-36
if you don't beat children you hate them PROV 13:24
the earth is on a foundation (not in space) JER 31:37
Rape is a crime against the husband etc DEUT 22:23-24
Women are not smarter than men I TIM 2:12
Lack of faith (not disease) causes illness MAT 9:22
innocent children inherit the sins of their ancestors EXO 20:5-6

if you're gonna call your comic a good book, why does it lie and call for such atrocities?

youtube also shows ren & stimpy... is that real to you too?

if you can't provide valid evidence other than youtube, you have NO evidence

Jul 06, 2015
Because it's not "mainline" science. Ceres is much too small and inactive to support this type of planetary processes.
@cd
because you said so?
is there any actual evidence or proof that you have which supports your claims other than your inability to actually comprehend physics?

we already know you are not capable of learning actual physics - for a demonstration of that see: http://phys.org/n...ggs.html

we know you can't even get simple definitions correct which are analogous to one another - see: http://phys.org/n...day.html

we have seen your constant lies about astrophysics - see: http://phys.org/n...een.html

perhaps now you should accept the fact that you are promoting pseudoscience and go here:
http://ocw.mit.ed...ophysics


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