December 13, 2013 weblog
New work gives credence to theory of universe as a hologram
(Phys.org) —In publishing a story regarding work reported by Japanese physicists last month, Nature News has set off a bit of a tabloid firestorm by describing an obscure bit of physics theory as "the clearest evidence yet that our Universe could be just one big projection." In two papers uploaded to the preprint server arXiv, Yoshifumi Hyakutake and colleagues from Ibaraki University in Japan offer evidence that supports a theory that suggests that a universe as we conceive of it could actually be a hologram of another two-dimensional space.
The papers follow up on a theory first proposed by Juan Maldacen, who in 1997, came up with what is now known as string theory, part of which suggests certain types of universes might actually be holograms of real two-dimensional universes, which is where, as he described it, "the real action would play out."
String theory was widely embraced by the physics community because it did what no other theory could—provide a bridge across inconsistencies that arose between quantum physics and Einstein's theory of relativity. The inconsistencies became apparent as physicists began contemplating black holes and their properties and found that the while quantum theory could explain what was observed, the theory of relativity could not. The only down side to string theory was that no one could come up with a proof of it. In this new effort, Hyakutake and his team appear to have come closer.
Hyakutake and various colleagues have been working on the problem for years, submitting papers as they go—all leading, apparently, to the two they've most recently uploaded. One of their papers describes mathematically what should happen, according to theory, in a black hole, with numbers that should describe its properties as well. The other describes what should result, theoretically speaking, if there were another, lower dimensional universe with no gravity. What's surprising, of course, is that the two match, suggesting that one could be projecting the other as a hologram.
The papers don't suggest that the universe we actually live in is a hologram, Hyakutake et al's computations describe a universe with ten dimensions in the realm of the black hole and a single dimension universe when calculating characteristics of a gravity free two-dimensional universe. The work does provide a hint however, that what can be calculated using different dimensional universes could perhaps one day be calculated for our own. That of course would imply that what we see and do here might actually be occurring elsewhere and we are merely experiencing its holographic representation.
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Quantum Near Horizon Geometry of Black 0-Brane, arXiv:1311.7526 [hep-th] arxiv.org/abs/1311.7526
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Dark matter is not a unidirectional "rain", it must be coming from all directions with a main flow within these structures where our particle universe exists. With only a gravitational relationship between the two, a problem is to discriminate between particle gravity and dark matter gravity using a gravimeter or gravimetric data.
Thus to ascertain that difference to me would have something to say about the matter we can detect, and that which by orbits on galaxies shows a mass not enough by particle matter alone to account for the motions. So, using this same strategy to then extend it to find more subtle gravitational evidence as leading to a better understanding seems a valid path of work.
Then, magnetism may also have a relationship to dark matter & energy, a hunch ...
How strange. GhostofOtto's sockpuppet, FrankHerbert used to tell people he/she disagreed with, to "go away" also...and very seldom ever offered anything of value pertinent to the topic and discussion.
Until Zephir_fan proves otherwise, I will consider him/her to be part of the new generation of FrankHerbert replacements in Theghostofotto1923's sockpuppet chamber of horrors.
Re the topic: I find it very hard to discount scientific theories (even the hare-brained ones) and instead choose to attempt total comprehension of each one and make comparisons.
Why? For the reason that science and technology is still pretty much in its infancy and we are still learning and discovering. It will take a very long time before we know all.
Ya might wish to study a little harder, so ya don't write things like this,,,,,,,,,,,
just calm down, and enjoy it.
The research shows the entities-particles of dark matter are very light and influenced by gravity, so to put that into the context of a black hole, or the so-called worm holes along with the theory that dark matter creates the structure in the universe that particle physics observes implies that it can only exist in a cloud of dark matter, so, has a lot of implications not provable at the moment.
I think the hologram analogy is OK, finding that it satisfies a math interesting yet may be misleading so don't want to take it too far yet.
By protestation I mean the kludges that are used to hold the entire edifice of 18 th Century theoretical physics up.
18th Century physicists had a big advantage over us-no baggage. These days we lug so much intillectual baggage around that are no longer nimble.
We plod.
Here are the cows. For every action there is an equal and opposit reaction. The laws of entrophy, the arrow of causation, the law of conservation of energy, the "constants" being sort of constant. Make up your own list-they are all worthy of our mockery. Dont worry the cows have no feelings-they dont mind.
Dance Kali-Oh destroyer of egos and illusions.
Simple - it doesn't. I liken it more to daydreaming. These guys need to find a sex partner - they'd get a lot more real stuff done.
And how the holographic projection could generate the (images of) photons flying the speed of light? Such a projection must be superluminal after then - and it would violate the speed limit. After then it cannot be derived from general relativity, on which black hole is based.
Don't mind the zephir_fan troll, she's doing research for a book, on the 'art of talking down to people for dummies'
"The cell had all its ducks in a row, so to speak, and God only had to use His Energy to start up the tiny "machine" so that it could become self-aware with EM coursing through its neurons" "How do you know that cell didn't come equipped with everything. It was created by God, not you" [uh because neurons are cells you moron]"
"THINKS DRY ICE CAN CURE MELTDOWNS: "The dry ice will not need to be right in with the rods, but just above to cool them. And there will be no contamination of the dry ice as it melts and is recycled to be refrozen and come back as dry ice again..."
"The evil person's Soul doesn't experience the FIRES of hell immediately. No, it has to wait a very long time until the Sun goes supernova..."
-And a few dozen more. You fucking retard.
The cat is living.
The cat is dead.
Or there is no cat at all in the box, because someone switched off the illumination. And now??
No, it is the simulation of a hologram, projected by a singular beamer. Thats evidence! HoHo.
So, i do this, while knowing, that there no one exists, who can read nor understand this. Then
the question arises: What is the meaninge of typing at all?
Basically, any manifestation in the universe, being pure energy wave forms in its innermost configuration, can manifest in this reality because it shares harmonic relationship to all other manifestations in the universe. In other words, the universe can be visualized as a spectrum of compatible configurations, all able to interact in some way, or to coexist in the same reality because their most fundamental constituents, wave forms, share harmonic relationship.
However, the real secret is that it is the result of a higher frequency universe generating harmonics.
Was zephyr kidnapped by 900 ft tall glass-headed Martians or something? Maybe he just went surfing.
That's the only inroad I know of that successfully showed a connection between them to some level but that's just my take on the papers.
Was zephyr kidnapped by 900 ft tall glass-headed Martians or something? Maybe he just went surfing.
Well, in a nutshell, Otto, yes. Any manifestation in the universe must, by necessity, embody an infinite array of constituents which facilitate its existence, and all of its "textures", which are units, or if you like, quanta, of information, which "program" it with the abilities to either interact or not with any other given manifestation.
While it is tricky reviving aether concepts, any given area of what we call "space" must by definition, be a medium of transference for the more familiar configurations we glimpse about us. I would like to discuss these things more with you, would email correspondence be preferrable to 1000 character comments?
Thanks for the compliment! I always strive to articulate clearly what I am speaking about, these things are very abstract!
Hello Noumenon...I gave you a 5 for that but it doesn't seem to have made much of a diff in your rating for that one comment. Too bad. I had hoped that Physorg would've eliminated their rating scheme, but it may be possible now for them to delete all of Theghostofotto1923's superfluous accounts that never comment and only downrate people that Goats doesn't like and tells lies about. I see that Ghostofotto is still riding high with his DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER and boorish behavior.
Re the topic: if our universe is a hologram, then it may be a computer program that is running this hologram and everything has been planned beforehand...life, matter/energy, thought, philosophy, science, religion, historical events, etc.
You fucking moron.
ROFLOL...I am not an Obama fan. That's all you need to know for now.
I have 2 sockpuppets that I use to comment about serious engineering topics. GoatsofOtto doesn't know those names, only this one. THIS name is only for religious and political topics and some topics that I like to mess around with. But all my religious views are genuine - Otto hates the idea of his Soul remaining in his body after he dies and feeling pain as it rot away.
Sorry, I have no idea how many Noumenon has.
So, if you saw 50 - 60 or more downvotes for Noumenon in older posts, those downvotes are from Theghostofotto1923 and his sockpuppet, FrankHerbert and dozens of his voting bots who never comment...or hardly ever.
The war was between FrankHerbert and Noumenon and Noum finds it hard to understand that it has been Theghostofotto1923 all along that he was arguing with in threads.
Otto changes his personality and manner of talking with each sockpuppet. Otto thinks he owns this website and is given permission to tell lies about people and do the name calling.
LOL...someday, Physorg will kick him out of here, but he'll only come back with another user name.
I've never stated anything of the kind, you dope. You're the biggest idiot that I have ever seen post here. The cranks know far more than you.
I have only stated that I up rate myself to counter troll raters that are invalid due to 1-rating irrespective of content of posts. Why would this concern you (?) unless you don't like your trolling efforts invalidated, in which case it is precisely why I do it.
Most religionists don't share my view of what happens to an evil Soul after its body dies. My opinion is that that Soul is evil because it retains all the evil in thought, word and deed while it was a living human being. And after the body is dead, the Soul cannot get out and go about the world enjoying its new existence. It has to remain inside its body and feel the pain of corruption of the flesh. That's the first death.
That doesn't happen to a Soul who was good...leading an exemplary life. In that case, the Soul of a good person leaves its body and is free to wander and even join its loved ones who died before.
Sometimes an evil Soul gets out of its body and it is then considered an "evil spirit" that goes around trying to corrupt the living.
Sorry, this is the wrong thread, but you said you side with TheghostofOttoSkorzeny, so I have explained what I believe even if you disagree with it.
Exactly what is your problem regarding Noumenon? He had a 4 out of 5 score...Otto and his sockpuppets brought it down to a 3.5 out of 5. From everything I've read in Noumenon's comments, he is highly intelligent and knowledgable without needing to check with Wiki, etc. as Theghostofotto1923 needs to do before commenting.
This brings me back to the fact that you are probably Ghost's sockpuppet from hell, FrankHerbert. LOL
You can lie all your want, to me you are FrankHerbert aka GhostofOttoSkorzeny
Like I said, this is my "religion and politics" user name, and the one where I will mess with your head with. I am not very often taken seriously, but on the subject of Noumenon's overall score, you can consider it serious. I don't like to read where someone who is genuinely intelligent, smart, knowledgable, and has some of the best comprehensive skills in this Physorg taken down by another who doesn't have all those qualities.
So, quit the BS, Frank
Careful - you're letting your schizophrenic tendencies show...
At least Zeph only does it when he has to after he's been booted...
What the hell would we do without such losers to entertain us? :)
I use my 2 other user names for serious science, but I must be careful not to reveal my (our) projects or I will be fired for sure. I love my job.
All right than, but I did not say anything resembling the phrase "increments are also conceptualized by the mind, but it doesn't naturally occur in nature", so please do not confuse the issue or misrepresent/misquote me.
I have only made 2 posts on this forum, and both are on this topic. Please read them again carefully and you may change your opinion of me. You appear to have skewed your perception of me unduly, and if you read the posts objectively, perhaps we can open an intelligent dialogue amongst ourselves?
Who says I spend much time at that, at all.
If I cared at all about comment ratings, why would I request of Phys.Org to disable the rating system altogether?
The question is why YOU as a troll care about MY ratings, and why it bothers YOU that I invalidate YOUR (& toot, NOM, open, etc) trolling efforts. You're the idiot that invented the phrase "karma points" here and use it as some sort of adolencent punishment for upseting " The Ira". This isn't facebook. Go away or post things relevent to the discusion.
It is true and also so for conservative minded posters. The 1-rating troll campaign is supported by the admins and is designed to obfuscate the value of comments of select posters irrespective of the individual merit of a given post. This is intellectual corruption.
While I don't accept the AWT, many of the "crank" posters that advocate such alternative views display more physics knowledge than most of the posters here do. What is the point of banning a Zepyr/Frankins and yet alowing a zephir_fan or a BAKOON free reign?
Pussytard laments:-But absolute imbeciles like you are fair game yes? Because you post-and:-and you do not expect people to laugh at
More?Ahaahaaaa.and...Heres a mouthful:
You will have to work to raise yourself to my level, as I refuse to lower myself to yours.
You seem to have more of a problem with people countering troll-raters than the troll raters themselves. Why is that? Why isn't your solution to ban troll accounts or turn off the system?
GhostofOtto (worships the dead Nazi, Otto Skorzeny - see Otto's other user name, Theghostofotto1932.
Regarding my old alma mater, I graduated from Caltech with Phd's in Mechanical and Electrical Engineering with a 3.9 GPA.
Theghostofotto is suffering from DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER (formerly called Multiple Personality Disorder) and is delusional, which is why he believes in his irrational mind that I am Estevan57, Noumenon, Pussycat_Eyes, a nurse, a Russian, a soregum farmer, a 900 foot glassy-eyed Martian, a 40 pound lead boomerang, a ballet dancer, and a NASA worker.
Otto is obviously off his meds again and suffers delusions about me and others.
I repeat: It is now evident that Otto's sockpuppet FrankHerbert is back with the user name, Zephir_fan. It is also evident that TheGhostofotto1923 has accomplished what he came into this thread (and most other threads) to do, that is, to disrupt the discussion on the topic and to continue with Otto's insane disassociation with reality by claiming comments that have been taken out of context, as though such things were important to the topic of the thread(s).
This is, of course, an insane jealousy that takes hold of Otto and there is no cure for it.
It is also evident that Phys.org is partial to trolls, cranks and Theghostofotto1923 and his associated sockpuppet chamber of horrors.
I had hoped to continue my participation in the discussion of the topic, but the presence of a nutcase like Otto and his lies as to comments taken out of context which Otto obviously has kept in a file for the purpose of producing them because Otto thinks it will intimidate me somehow. LOL
PHYS.ORG - SHAME ON YOU FOR TOLERATING SUCH STUPID BEHAVIOR!!
And you will NOT be allowed to do this and get away with it. Do you understand?
And do YOU understand that you are NOT the owner of this Physorg, nor do you have any say in whoever uses this site for commenting on the topics or whatever they choose to say in any of these comment sections?
I will say whatever I wish to say and you can follow me around to whichever threads I choose to make my comments. Tell your lies about me and others. I will still say whatever I want and so will Noumenon and Estevan57 and whoever else you decide to attack.
You will be ignored no matter what you say and I will make sure to suggest to everyone in each thread that they should ignore your comments. If they choose not to ignore you, then that is their decision, not mine. I am not afraid of your downvotes. You may continue downvoting me all you want, since the votes are meaningless. This is the last time I will acknowledge your foul presence, Otto. Go back to your Nazi shrine and take your meds. You're quite insane.
http://www.univer...ologram/
the whole reason you are targeted as a sock puppet is that you agree with Otto. I have both agreed with, and disagreed with Otto, and I have come under fire from BOTH camps supporters.
Although, I have to be honest, Obama_socks never called me a sock-puppet of Otto. Others have, though. And others have called me a puppet of Obama_socks. Where, in all actuality, I am just here to TRY and learn some science.
so... dont feel bad. It comes with the territory. if you comment, or try to agree, you will be targeted. if you dont, you'll be called a troll.
here is a simple refute to the universe hologram article above... it was well written, and pretty much sums it up (at least, for me, anyway)
http://www.univer...ologram/
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