Draft Copenhagen deal targets maximum 2 C warming

December 11, 2009
A factory chimney in a residential area emits smoke as haze casts a blanket over Bangalore, southern India, on December 11. The first official draft blueprint for a deal at the UN climate talks sees targets of limiting global warming to 1.5 or 2.0 degrees Celsius (2.7 or 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), according to a document seen by AFP on Friday.

The first official draft blueprint for a deal at the UN climate talks sees targets of limiting global warming to 1.5 or 2.0 degrees Celsius (2.7 or 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), according to a document seen by AFP on Friday.

The lower temperature is embraced by small island states and many African nations badly threatened by climate change.

The higher target has been supported by rich industrialised nations and emerging giants such as China, India and Brazil.

The temperatures relate to a total rise in warming over pre-industrial times.

The draft is to be submitted to environment ministers from around the world, with the goal of having it endorsed at a summit on December 18.

The talks are taking place under the 194-nation UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

If all goes well, a political agreement in Copenhagen would be followed by meetings next year to flesh out key details.

The envisioned global pact would take effect from 2013, after current pledges expire under the UNFCCC's .

The proposed draft is put forward by the Ad-hoc Working Group on Long-Term Cooperative Action, or AWG-LCA, one of the two negotiating pools in the 12-day talks in Copenhagen.

Its task is to spell out a "shared vision" for combating climate change in the decades to come.

The text carries many brackets, which denote disagreement.

On the question of a target for warming, it reads:

"Parties shall cooperate to avoid dangerous , in keeping with the ultimate objective of the Convention, recognizing [the broad scientific view] that the increase in global average temperature above pre-industrial levels ought not to exceed [2 C] [1.5 C]."

The draft text leaves open three possible targets for the overall reduction of by 2020, compared with 1990 levels: by 50 percent, by 80 percent and by 95 percent.

Industrialised countries favour the 50 percent goal, while major emerging economies led by China have baulked at any such target unless it is made clear that rich countries will assume the near totality of the burden.

For rich countries, which acknowledge their historical responsibility for global warming, the bracketed options for CO2 cuts by 2050 in the text range from 75-85 percent, "at least 80-95 percent", and "more than 95 percent", all measured against the same 1990 benchmark.

(c) 2009 AFP

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2.6 / 5 (5) Dec 11, 2009
bhiestand, here it is in big bold print headline, with a mind-numbing article elaborating on it.

The IPCC has global climate control as it's goal.

They're not saying "we can affect it" they're saying "we can control it to do exactly what we want if we do X".

In some other thread you indicated you believed it was ridiculous (as it is) to think that man can control the climate, and here we have the political movement which you back so adamantly proposing to do just that. Congratulations on backing fraud.

Isnt it convenient how AGW has the high ground either way? The global temperatures cool and they can say see what good we've done, lets keep at it! The global temperatures rise and they can say we need to do more, give us more of your money! When reality is that we can't cause it to go one way or the other unless it is already going to.

Someday when the governments have grown so large that they can't support themselves, much less their People, mankind will realize it's err and weep.
3 / 5 (3) Dec 11, 2009
Limiting CO2 would result in a net increase of heat for approximately 600 to 3000 years according to AGW theory.

How do they propose to control the temperature if they've already let the alleged damage occur?
2.1 / 5 (7) Dec 11, 2009
4 years ago I had a debate with a AGW believer. He told me that when he first moved into Seattle 20 years ago there was often snow, but lately there wasn't and he used that as proof of Global warming. I told him of the Solar theory and that according to that, it will get colder the next few years. He scoffed. Over the last few years there has been more cold weather in Seattle, more snow.


He now tells me these cold weather records in Seattle and the rest of the country is proof of AGW. Only a AGW believer can take record cold and blame AGW

I agree that local weather has nothing to do with global weather. But it is local weather that AGW promoters use to scare tha masses.
1.8 / 5 (5) Dec 11, 2009
Belief in CO2-Induced Global Warming Now More Dogmatic Than Religion

Politicians now use grant funds to train scientists as Pavlov used dog biscuits to train dogs.

NASA led the way in the 1970s by ignoring Apollo data that conflicted with the politically correct Standard Solar Model of a Hydrogen-Filled Sun.

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel

1 / 5 (1) Dec 12, 2009
Dirty Black Smog is the answer. Blocks the Sun, cools the Earth. We just need to burn more coal, without any of the "clean" technology.
1 / 5 (1) Dec 12, 2009
Dirty Black Smog is the answer. Blocks the Sun, cools the Earth. We just need to burn more coal, without any of the "clean" technology.

If AGW actually is a problem, I'd like to solve it with a method that doesn't require mercury poisoning.

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