German baby survives record-equalling premature birth

Apr 23, 2011

A German baby born after only 21 weeks and five days in the womb has equalled a world record for surviving premature infants, the hospital said Saturday.

When Frieda was born on November 7 she measured 11 inches (28 centimetres) and weighed only one pound (460 grammes).

"In the specialist literature, other premature babies have been lighter than her at birth, some even less than 300 grammes, but there is no mention of a premature baby even younger than Frieda," the clinic in western Fulda said in a communique.

A baby was born in Ottawa in 1987 at exactly the same stage of its mother's pregnancy, the statement said.

Frieda was discharged on Wednesday weighing 7.7 pounds (3.5 kilos) and measuring 50 centimetres (nearly 20 inches), the clinic said.

Her twin brother Kilian died a few days after being born.

Professor Reinald Repp, director of the paediatric clinic, could not be reached on Saturday, but a doctor on duty told AFP that "there is no foreseeable risk of after-effects for the moment" and that the little girl "should develop normally like any other child."

Generally babies born before 22 weeks have no chance of surviving because their lungs, heart and brain are not sufficiently developed.

"Frieda was kept in a completely sterile environment, with her breathing assisted and fed through her navel," Repp told the mass circulation Bild newspaper.

Any baby born before eight months of pregnancy is considered premature.

Very premature babies (less than 32 weeks) are considered at high risk of suffering developmental problems.

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Bob_Kob
2 / 5 (7) Apr 23, 2011
Why do we struggle so hard to keep that alive that shouldn't. Even if it survives, it probably won't be normal so instead of letting nature take its course we allow it to live a terrible life to itself and around it.
Sciencebee
4 / 5 (5) Apr 23, 2011
Bob, the fact that you apparently would let your child die without making every effort leaves me speechless. I know and understand not everyone is like me but take for a moment and imagine if that was your son or daughter. You've picked a name for the child and are going through all the things you will teach him or her. Then this happens. Just something to think about.
Skeptic_Heretic
3.8 / 5 (4) Apr 23, 2011
Rather amazing stuff is implied by this feat. With the proper amount of research, traditional pregnancy might be an unnecessary vestige of biological existence making it, effectively, optional; but that's fairly far off.
freethinking
1 / 5 (7) Apr 23, 2011
Sciencebee, Bob is a typical Progressive. People are defined only by their worth to society. If they have are disabled, they are less valuable. If they are disabled beyond a certain point, they need to be terminated. Also progressives hate it when babies such as this are born, it proved that unborn babies are human. Late term abortion anyone.....

Interesting point with quality of life issues. More doctors and lawyers commit suicide than disabled people. Using the quality of life argument. Those predestined to be doctors and lawyers should be terminated as they must have a lower quality of life based on their suicide rate.
AdleyBell
not rated yet Apr 24, 2011
Thanks for sharing information and it is very useful for us
PinkElephant
4.2 / 5 (5) Apr 24, 2011
a typical Progressive. People are defined only by their worth to society. If they have are disabled, they are less valuable. If they are disabled beyond a certain point, they need to be terminated.
Falsehoods and libel.
it proved that unborn babies are human. Late term abortion anyone...
No, it proved that artificial gestation can help a fetus mature into a human being. Whether that maturation happens in or out of the womb is immaterial: a fetus is still not a human being until at least it has a brain more sophisticated than that of a pig.
Interesting point with quality of life issues.
Yes, interesting. Should a fetus be carried to term with congenital defects (e.g. spina bifida) of such severity that it's guaranteed not to survive past its first year post-birth? Should an anencephalic fetus (lacking both hemispheres of the brain) be carried to turn, and "raised" as a vegetable guaranteed never to gain consciousness? Just some things for you to "free-think" about...
PinkElephant
5 / 5 (1) Apr 24, 2011
^^ "be carried to turn" of course I meant "to term". Stupid auto-correcting spell-checkers...
Skeptic_Heretic
3.7 / 5 (3) Apr 24, 2011
Also progressives hate it when babies such as this are born, it proved that unborn babies are human. Late term abortion anyone.....
It's quite hard to find people who agree with late term abortion outside of medical necessity. For example, I think late term should be restricted unless required for the continued health of the mother.
More doctors and lawyers commit suicide than disabled people
Well probably because it's hard to kill yourself when you can't physically do the job alone.
Skepticus
2 / 5 (4) Apr 24, 2011
Eugenics had the misfortune of being used by the Nazis so it got steam rollered by the Jewish lobbies machine since WW2, and the medicos the world over are hell bent on keeping the unfit, prodding stale eggs with damaged DNA of women in their 50s into babies, and tax the rest for consequences and medical support for life, all for the joy of the few who see their defective offsprings have a chance to populate the world and nothing else.
Skepticus
2 / 5 (4) Apr 24, 2011
Much has been said about human rights, but there is no debate about human responsibility. With the diminishing resources on this planet and increasing population, population control has become a real issure. To have an unwell offspring that will require protracted medical supports, the emotional, psychological and financial costs both on the society and the family are both illogical and detrimental to the human race as a whole. The emotional costs of keeping or losing one's progenitor must be taken and bear with a mature mind, balanced against the good of the many. That is human responsibility. On the Stage of Life, some must die so the rest can prosper. You can't have a beautiful garden with weeds coexisting unchecked with the rest. It sounds callous, but that is the natural truth. You can sow, but also you have to weed. In the larger scheme of things, human as a living organism must conforms to the rules of life and death. Otherwise, it's is an unchecked, abetted cancerous growth.
freethinking
1.4 / 5 (10) Apr 24, 2011
Progressives love dehumanizing people...It eases their conscience as they remove those peoples right to life. Just remember great progressives thought Jews and Blacks weren't fully human.
Skeptic_Heretic
4.2 / 5 (5) Apr 24, 2011
Just remember great progressives thought Jews and Blacks weren't fully human.
You're referring to the founding fathers.
PinkElephant
3.9 / 5 (7) Apr 24, 2011
Progressives love dehumanizing people...
No, it's just religious simpletons like you who love personifying things that aren't people by any rational definition.
Just remember great progressives thought Jews and Blacks weren't fully human.
Which is why great progressives were at the forefront of the Civil Rights movement. Wowzers, the "free-thinking" saga continues...
ShotmanMaslo
2.1 / 5 (7) Apr 24, 2011
Progressives love dehumanizing people...It eases their conscience as they remove those peoples right to life. Just remember great progressives thought Jews and Blacks weren't fully human.


Do not forget to add that children are just a property of their parents, and can be killed by them whenever they like to (but only if they have a developed brain), as you advocated in other thread. So much for right to life..

TheGhostofOtto1923
1 / 5 (3) Apr 24, 2011
A German baby born after only 21 weeks and five days in the womb has equalled a world record for surviving premature infants, the hospital said Saturday.
Luther was right, god loves Germans best, this is proof. Perhaps one of the Lebensborn line?
ryggesogn2
1.7 / 5 (6) Apr 24, 2011
You can sow, but also you have to weed. In the larger scheme of things, human as a living organism must conforms to the rules of life and death.

Who does the 'weeding'? Who decides what human individuals are 'weeds'?
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (1) Apr 24, 2011
You can sow, but also you have to weed. In the larger scheme of things, human as a living organism must conforms to the rules of life and death.

Who does the 'weeding'? Who decides what human individuals are 'weeds'?
No matter what happens, one can only hope it isn't you.

TheGhostofOtto1923
2 / 5 (4) Apr 24, 2011
You can sow, but also you have to weed. In the larger scheme of things, human as a living organism must conforms to the rules of life and death.

Who does the 'weeding'? Who decides what human individuals are 'weeds'?
Well the police often end up with the job:
http://www.wesh.c...ail.html

-Too bad these people couldn't have been fixed in the womb, or protected from the sort of damage which makes this behavior likely eh?
Skepticus
2 / 5 (4) Apr 25, 2011
Who does the 'weeding'? Who decides what human individuals are 'weeds'?

It must be said that persons who think of themselves as mature, responsible members of society, are yet determined to carry to full term a defective fetus, or an extremely underdeveloped one just because medical science and social-legal supports are there to exploit them. Human rights vs human responsibilities must be beyond their ability to think for themselves or understand the bigger picture. With this level of "maturity" shown, i doubt that their progenies will be the next working tax-payers, much less another Einstein or Hawking.
freethinking
1 / 5 (5) Apr 25, 2011
Please list who you consider great progressives are? Progressive hero's generally are either perverts, racists, or mass murderers.
Javinator
5 / 5 (1) Apr 25, 2011
Progressive hero's generally are either perverts, racists, or mass murderers.


I know mine are.
CavemanDev
5 / 5 (1) Apr 25, 2011
With this level of "maturity" shown, i doubt that their progenies will be the next working tax-payers, much less another Einstein or Hawking.


Of course, I'm sure Hawking would have done just fine in your Utopian world.
Bob_Kob
2.3 / 5 (3) Apr 26, 2011
Hawking was born with every chance that we have. It was only later he developed his disability. And no I am not saying to remove help from the already disabled. If you knew your current conception would lead to a vegetable, would you not try to prevent it? People who are alive NOW should be given every advantage to survival (aka stem cells) rather than to those that MIGHT be alive at some point and that MIGHT be anything.
Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (1) Apr 26, 2011
Please list who you consider great progressives are?
Jefferson, Washington, Revere, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Mandela, Ghandi, Charlemagne, Fox, and on and on and on.
Progressive hero's generally are either perverts, racists, or mass murderers.
You mean like your heros? How many conservatives also fit this moniker?

Grow up.
freethinking
1 / 5 (5) Apr 26, 2011
SH again your ignorance shows, review progressive history, Sanger planned parenthood, Kensey, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez are the big heros of the Progressive movement. Roosevelt you can keep him(but again you never looked into history or you would have ignored him as your hero)

Jefferson, Washington, Revere, Lincon, I think you would hate them as they were Conservatives and were for freedom and against big over reaching government.

Progressives if they aren't whitewashing history, they ignore history.

Skeptic_Heretic
5 / 5 (2) Apr 26, 2011
SH again your ignorance shows, review progressive history, Sanger planned parenthood, Kensey, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez are the big heros of the Progressive movement.
No, they're not. They are who your heros assert are the heros of the progressive movement. Try thinking for yourself, 'freethinking'.
Jefferson, Washington, Revere, Lincon, I think you would hate them as they were Conservatives
Yes, because all those gentlemen were known for their conservatism.../sarcasm
J-n
5 / 5 (2) Apr 26, 2011
Lincoln was never a conservative. He fought for change and freedom which, is infact, progressive. Conservative would have been to keep the status quo.. are you confused about definitions?!

My list of Progressive hero's (mostly wisconsinites)
Robert M. La Follette
Victor L. Berger
Martin Luther King
Emil Seidel
Daniel Hoan
Frank Zeidler

The founding fathers understood that the government was actually very good at many things, aside from war making (which is the largest part of our budget by a significant portion, and what has contributed the MOST to our current economic situation with regards to debt).

Public Schools, Libraries, Health and Safety of the Citizens, Work Safety and Fairness, Abolition of Slavery, Abolition of the subjugation of women, Freedom of Religion, Association.. These are ALL Progressive issues, NOT conservative issues.

Conservative means to conserve, or to keep the same. Not to change, or move forward, which is the Definition of Progressive.
Silver_the_Fox
not rated yet Apr 26, 2011
Umm, is it just me, or does J-N not have a profile page? was going to check to see what other posts he has. Quite the deep thinker really, and BTW, freethinking, the idea behind your naem is good, and you practice it well, but the results of it are , how can I say this gently, somewhat lacking in actual thought or relevant data.

Any Questions?
Silver out.
ShotmanMaslo
1.5 / 5 (4) Apr 26, 2011
It doesnt work for me too. Odd. Maybe its because of nonstandard character in his nick (-) somehow corrupting the link?
Silver_the_Fox
not rated yet Apr 26, 2011
Perhaps, though it is very unlikely, Perhaps the site host is in the process of restoring the profile after an abuse report, though accidental as it could have been. Just a theory mind you. But I digress, If there was a possibility that the nick might be the problem, then it would have been prevented during the registration process.

Silver out.
J-n
not rated yet Apr 26, 2011
Unfortunately it's been that way since they changed their website a year or so ago. I can't even see who up or down votes me :(

I've put in a few requests to the site to see why this is happening, but i suspect it is because of the Hyphen in the name. I registered with physorg at least 5 years ago, and there have been many changes to the site since then I suspect at least one of the changes resulted in this inability to view my profile :(

Maybe if others, (aside from me) bring up the profile problem, it will get solved quicker?

Thank you all for your compliments, it will definitely brighten my cloudy day.
Silver_the_Fox
not rated yet Apr 26, 2011
Not a problem, and we would be glad to throw the complaints over to them. BTW, what is your stance on whales...
http://www.physor...comments
Surprisingly entertaining actually, no offense SH.
J-n
not rated yet Apr 26, 2011
I've been occasionally reading the articles that pertain to nuclear power, and honestly I've really not formed a very strong opinion either way. :(
Silver_the_Fox
not rated yet Apr 26, 2011
Well, good luck in forming your own opinion and thus be able to contribute to the discussion.

Silver out.
trekgeek1
5 / 5 (2) Apr 28, 2011
I love how conservatives who don't agree with social programs to help the poor and misfortunate, think homosexuals are sinners and support any and all wars think they are "for the people". The progressives who support social programs and the right of homosexuals to marry are the ones who hate people. Wow, conservatives can't even remember what they stand for anymore. You want to say you're conservative but stand for liberal policies.

Sciencebee, Bob is a typical Progressive. People are defined only by their worth to society. If they have are disabled, they are less valuable


Again, conservatives would have those who are not working due to injury or lay-offs starve to death because you don't support socialistic unemployment. So who exactly assigns values based on contributions to society?
Silver_the_Fox
not rated yet May 02, 2011
That was a bit vicious Trek, while some things you have just pointed out MAY be true, it si all from a very pessimistic and rather callous point of view. Do we need to talk about feelings? Probably not. If consevatives and progressives were so hateful and/or misguided, then why aren't we all dead yet? THEY DO have control of various aspects of the military after all, why not force their ideals on us?

Any Questions?
Silver out.