US says too much fluoride causing splotchy teeth

Jan 08, 2011 By MIKE STOBBE , AP Medical Writer
Graphic charts the prevalence and distribution of dental fluorosis

(AP) -- In a remarkable turnabout, federal health officials say many Americans are now getting too much fluoride because of its presence not just in drinking water but in toothpaste, mouthwash and other products, and it's causing splotches on children's teeth and perhaps more serious problems.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced plans Friday to lower the recommended level of in drinking water for the first time in nearly 50 years, based on a fresh review of the science.

The announcement is likely to renew the battle over fluoridation, even though the addition of fluoride to drinking water is considered one of the greatest public health successes of the 20th century. The U.S. prevalence of decay in at least one tooth among teens has declined from about 90 percent to 60 percent.

The government first began urging municipal water systems to add fluoride in the early 1950s. Since then, it has been put in and mouthwash. It is also in a lot of and in soda. Some kids even take fluoride supplements. Now, young children may be getting too much.

"Like anything else, you can have too much of a good thing," said Dr. Howard Pollick, a professor at the University of California, San Francisco's dental school and spokesman for the American Dental Association.

One reason behind the change: About 2 out of 5 adolescents have tooth streaking or spottiness because of too much fluoride, a government study found recently. In extreme cases, teeth can be pitted by the mineral - though many cases are so mild only dentists notice it. The problem is generally considered cosmetic and not a reason for serious concern.

The splotchy tooth condition, fluorosis, is unexpectedly common in youngsters ages 12 through 15 and appears to have grown more common since the 1980s, according to the .

But there are also growing worries about more serious dangers from fluoride.

The Environmental Protection Agency released two new reviews of research on fluoride Friday. One of the studies found that prolonged, high intake of fluoride can increase the risk of brittle bones, fractures and crippling bone abnormalities.

Critics of fluoridated water seized on the proposed change Friday to renew their attacks on it - a battle that dates back to at least the Cold War 1950s, when it was denounced by some as a step toward Communism. Many activists nowadays don't think fluoride is essential, and they praised the government's new steps.

"Anybody who was anti-fluoride was considered crazy," said Deborah Catrow, who successfully fought a ballot proposal in 2005 that would have added fluoride to drinking water in Springfield, Ohio. "It's amazing that people have been so convinced that this is an OK thing to do."

Dental and medical groups applauded the announcement.

"This change is necessary because Americans have access to more sources of fluoride than they did when water fluoridation was first introduced," Dr. O. Marion Burton, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said in a statement.

The fluoridated water standard since 1962 has been a range of 0.7 parts per million for warmer climates where people used to drink more water to 1.2 parts per million in cooler regions. The new proposal from HHS would set the recommended level at just 0.7. Meanwhile, the EPA said it is reviewing whether to lower the maximum allowable level of fluoride in drinking water from the current 4 parts per million.

"EPA's new analysis will help us make sure that people benefit from tooth decay prevention while at the same time avoiding the unwanted health effects from too much fluoride," said Peter Silva, an EPA assistant administrator.

Fluoride is a mineral that exists in water and soil. About 70 years ago, scientists discovered that people whose supplies naturally had more fluoride also had fewer cavities.

In 1945, Grand Rapids, Mich., became the world's first city to add fluoride to its drinking water. Six years later a study found a dramatic decline in tooth decay among children there, and the surgeon general endorsed water fluoridation.

And in 1955, Procter & Gamble Co. marketed the first fluoride toothpaste, Crest, with the slogan "Look, Mom, no cavities!"

But that same year, The New York Times called fluoridation of public water one of the country's "fiercest controversies." The story said some opponents called the campaign for fluoridation "the work of Communists who want to soften the brains of the American people."

The battles continue for a variety of reasons today.

In New York, the village of Cobleskill outside Albany stopped adding fluoride to its drinking water in 2007 after the longtime water superintendent became convinced the additive was contributing to his knee problems. Two years later, the village reversed the move after dentists and doctors complained.

According to a recent CDC report, nearly 23 percent of children ages 12 to 15 had fluorosis in a study done in 1986-87. That rose to 41 percent in a study that covered 1999 through 2004.

"The report of discoloration has been going up over the years," said Dr. Robert Barsley, a professor at the LSU Health Sciences Center School of Dentistry. "It is not the water that's causing this by any means. It's the extra fluoride products - toothpaste, mouthwash - that people are using. And people want nice white teeth so they brush three times a day."

Susan Jeansonne, oral health program manager for Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, said one reason for the problem is children swallowing fluoride toothpaste or eating it.

Toothpaste labels have long recommended that parents supervise children under 6 when they are brushing their teeth; give them only a pea-size amount; and make sure they spit it out. Toddlers under 2 shouldn't use toothpaste with fluoride.

In 2006, the National Academy of Sciences released a report recommending that the EPA lower its maximum allowable level of fluoride in drinking water. The report warned severe fluorosis could occur at 2 parts per million. Also, a majority of the report's authors said a lifetime of with fluoride at 4 parts per million or higher could raise the risk of broken bones.

In addition, in 2005, the heads of 11 EPA unions, including ones representing the agency's scientists, pleaded with the EPA to reduce the permissible level of fluoride in water to zero, citing research suggesting it can cause cancer.

In Europe, fluoride is rarely added to water supplies. In Britain, only about 10 percent of the population has fluoridated water. It has been a controversial issue there, with critics arguing people shouldn't be forced to have "medical treatment" forced on them.

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More information: CDC on fluoridation: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation

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deatopmg
3.7 / 5 (3) Jan 08, 2011
If teeth show up mottled w/ too much fluoride then it is highly likely that those same people will also have brittle bones.
dogbert
2 / 5 (4) Jan 08, 2011
Fluoride is a known poison. Is it a good trade to have hard teeth and brittle bones? Is a broken hip or femur a good trade for a tooth?

The EPA should be trying to remove fluoridation from our water supply & dental products rather than continuing to promote them.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Jan 08, 2011
Fluoride is a known poison.
So is chlorine.
Is it a good trade to have hard teeth and brittle bones?
This is akin to saying acetominophin is bad because it causes renal failure when you get too much of it by taking too many pain relievers.

Fluoride doesn't make your bones brittle unless you're overdosing on it according to research, and the causal link is not well established within these research papers. Fluorine may be simply exacerbating an already present condition. After all, we didn't have many people living into their 70's until the past half century, and when they did, we didn't care to study them much.

Secondly, tooth decay and abcess is linked to heart disease, infections, psychological maladies, etc. Our teeth are one of our greatest weaknesses biologically speaking. Lowering the fluoride levels in products or in water supplies solves the issue. No need to explode in alarmist outcry.
dogbert
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 08, 2011
This is akin to saying acetominophin is bad because it causes renal failure when you get too much of it by taking too many pain relievers.


Most liver transplants are caused by acetaminophen. It is definitely a known poison with very bad outcomes associated with its consumption.

It is not alarmist to point out that it is not necessary to forcibly expose a population to a poison.
rgwalther
not rated yet Jan 08, 2011
Birth is the primary cause of cancer and death.
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2011
It is not alarmist to point out that it is not necessary to forcibly expose a population to a poison.
You can brush your teeth with bottled water. There's no force being applied here.
dogbert
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2011
You can brush your teeth with bottled water. There's no force being applied here.


That is B.S., Skeptic Heretic. It is the false opt out argument when the default should be opt in. You cannot avoid anything added to the public water supply if you eat or drink.
Question
5 / 5 (1) Jan 08, 2011
I know for a fact that fluoride can also stain an adults teeth, it stains mine! Even toothpaste with fluoride stains my teeth. I cannot even let the dentist polish my teeth with fluoride after a cleaning. If they do, I notice stains around the gum line 7 to 14 days later.

Excerpt from Wikipedia. I cannot post the link because it is rejected as spam.

"In October 2007, a class action lawsuit was filed in the State of Georgia alleging that many users of Crest Pro-Health mouthwash suffered stained teeth and loss of their sense of taste as a result.[25] Procter & Gamble contends that these side effects occur in only three percent of users. The suit seeks to include disclosure warning users of these side effects on product packaging."
Skeptic_Heretic
3 / 5 (2) Jan 08, 2011
That is B.S., Skeptic Heretic. It is the false opt out argument when the default should be opt in. You cannot avoid anything added to the public water supply if you eat or drink.
Then prove the detriment or petition to change the laws but don't start making up stories of poison conspiracies. This is an announcement of the amount being lowered in response to such inquiry and evidence.
Question
5 / 5 (1) Jan 08, 2011
That is B.S., Skeptic Heretic. It is the false opt out argument when the default should be opt in. You cannot avoid anything added to the public water supply if you eat or drink.
Then prove the detriment or petition to change the laws but don't start making up stories of poison conspiracies. This is an announcement of the amount being lowered in response to such inquiry and evidence.

SH: It is not as easy as using bottled water to avoid fluoride. Much of the bottled water, pop, even juices contain fluoride.
Yes fluorine and chlorine are both poisons. Fluorine is by far the most poisonest, that is why it is regulated by the FDA and requires a prescription. You cannot buy it over the counter other than in toothpaste and mouthwash!
dogbert
2 / 5 (4) Jan 08, 2011
Skeptic Heretic,

Then prove the detriment or petition to change the laws but don't start making up stories of poison conspiracies.


1) I don't need to prove that a known poison is a poison.
2) I have made no claims of poison conspiracy. I have noted that fluoride is a known poison and should not be added to our water supply.

Why do you defend poisoning the population of America?
Bob_Kob
5 / 5 (1) Jan 09, 2011
In Britain, only about 10 percent of the population has fluoridated water.


Haha, oh how stereotypes of dental hygiene in the UK ring true.
Doug_Huffman
3 / 5 (4) Jan 09, 2011
Let's see, mottled teeth or dental caries and H. Pylori, which would I rather? Which would you rather?

My, how our post-modern priorities change!
Skeptic_Heretic
2.3 / 5 (3) Jan 09, 2011
Skeptic Heretic,

1) I don't need to prove that a known poison is a poison.
2) I have made no claims of poison conspiracy. I have noted that fluoride is a known poison and should not be added to our water supply.

Why do you defend poisoning the population of America?

Between you and the Jr. scientist who used the term "poisonest", I no longer wonder why Brad Meltzer and Jesse Ventura have television shows.
Question
1 / 5 (1) Jan 09, 2011
Okay SH: Poisonous, thanks for pointing that out, haste makes waste.
Exactly what is your problem with people who have a problem with fluoride? Are you afraid you may someday be forced to change a preconceived opinion?
Hey, wise people do it all the time!
Skeptic_Heretic
1 / 5 (1) Jan 09, 2011
Poisonous, thanks for pointing that out, haste makes waste.
Most poisonous.
Exactly what is your problem with people who have a problem with fluoride?
You never bring any proof.
Are you afraid you may someday be forced to change a preconceived opinion?
Bring proof and I'll change my opinion on the issue. It isn't a preconceived opinion, it is based on my knowledge of biology, mineralization, teeth, and medicine.
Hey, wise people do it all the time!
Is that why you still subscribe to aether theories and nonsense that was disproved in the 1800's?
Question
1 / 5 (1) Jan 09, 2011
SH: I can understand you dismissing my problem with fluoride as proof but you don't consider Procter Gambles admission of 3% using Crest Pro Care of having problems as proof? If P&G admits to 3% you can be sure it is about double that.

[Excerpt from Wikipedia. I cannot post the link because it is rejected as Spam.

"In October 2007, a class action lawsuit was filed in the State of Georgia alleging that many users of Crest Pro-Health mouthwash suffered stained teeth and loss of their sense of taste as a result.[25] Procter & Gamble contends that these side effects occur in only three percent of users. The suit seeks to include disclosure warning users of these side effects on product packaging."]

How about showing me proof that fluorides actually work?
Skeptic_Heretic
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2011
How about showing me proof that fluorides actually work?
After the addition of fluoride to drinking water childhood tooth decay declined from 90% of people having at least on decayed tooth to less than 10%.

As to PnG's 3%, where is it stated that this is due to fluoride rather than any of the other 400 chemicals in the mouthwash?
Question
3 / 5 (2) Jan 09, 2011
SH: Whether P&G ever admitted to fluoride as the cause of the staining I cannot say for sure. But as far as I am aware Crest Pro Care does not contain fluoride any more. It now contains a chlorine based anti-bacterial agent.

"However, what the CDC failed to mention is that similar declines in tooth decay have occurred in virtually every western country, most of which do not fluoridate water (see Figure 2)."

I cannot post the link, it is rejected as Spam.
Just compare the decay rates around the world and you will find that they have declined nearly everywhere.
Question
not rated yet Jan 09, 2011
I just checked out Crest mouthwashes at the store. It is no longer called Crest Pro Care, it is now called Crest Pro Health
There are about 6 types and all but one list chlorine as an active ingredient.
One Crest Pro Health Complete still does contain fluoride. On the back is the warning if accidently swallowed call poison control and at the very bottom is the notice that, "this product may stain some peoples teeth." Now they claim that the stain is not permanent and that is true but who wants to go to the dentist 4 times a year to get it removed?

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