Men ask most of the questions at scientific conferences; we can choose to change that

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Even in a majority-women audience at an academic conference, men ask questions most of the time, researchers report on June 27th in The American Journal of Human Genetics. After analyzing participation in Q&As at the American Society of Human Genetics and Biology of Genomes conferences over four years, the study authors found that public discussion and policy change focused on gender equity can make a significant difference.

"When women are 70% of a room, they still asked only about 40% of the questions," says Natalie Telis, then a graduate student at Stanford University. "At that rate an audience would need to be 80% or 90% women before question asking would be split evenly between men and women."

Telis was inspired to study Q&A participation after a she attended as an undergraduate. She asked one question, but every other question she heard that day was asked by a man. To determine whether the ratio of questions asked was representative of the gender makeup of the audience, Telis and co-author Emily Glassberg recorded data about who asked questions after presentations they attended at seven conferences.

When Telis shared some of their findings online during a conference in 2015, it immediately sparked conversation and a : the first question during every Q&A would come from a trainee. The following year, the conversation had quieted, but the policy remained, providing a classic experimental setup.

At the 2017 meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics, data were collected through a crowdsourced approach. Any conference attendee could record data about who was asking questions after the presentations he or she attended. Recorders' data overlapped but didn't exactly match—some recorders may have left mid-Q&A or missed a question while recording data for the previous one, for example. Telis and Glassberg had to reconstruct the series of questions and found a solution in the tools of computational biology.

"We thought, we're trying to figure out a sequence, and we have some broken up chunks of that sequence. That sounds exactly like sequence alignment," says Telis. "We ended up creating this modified approach where we would align evidence for a question by time."

Telis and Glassberg used both the program genderizeR and U.S. census data to infer the gender makeup of the audience and presenters. Although this work focuses on representation across a simple binary, the authors acknowledge that future work should analyze effects from self-reported , race, ethnicity, and other demographics.

Telis has already seen the positive impact of her work. "I had tons of people tell me or tweet at me that they asked their first questions after hearing about this work," she says. Their study may provide a framework for future research about representation in the scientific community. "Making a choice and then evaluating its contribution to change is a critical part of experiment design. I hope that this is the start of a longer trend of us asking questions about the genetics community we want to create and how we create it."


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More information: American Journal of Human Genetics, Telis, Glassberg, Pritchard, and Gunter: "Public Discussion Affects Question Asking at Academic Conferences" DOI: 10.1016/j.ajhg.2019.06.004 , http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(19)30229-0
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Jun 27, 2019
By regulating questions down to the lowest common denominator?

Jun 27, 2019
We can also choose not to change it. Men are always on the agressive side. That is why there are like 100:1 ratio of killing by men rather than ladies. Do we want to change that too? I don't think so. This is how we are made. Nothing wrong with it!

Jun 27, 2019
Really? We should keep suppressing half of our species' total thought, and creative resources because of your Appeal to Tradition Bart?

In fact your whole comment is a series of logical fallacies. The above mentioned and the combination of an Ecological fallacy used to create a False Equivalency.

You can't just take a statistic about a broad population and apply that to how an individual might behave in a very specific and unrelated (to the topic of the statistic you put forth) situation. Nor can you compare males killing males to the both intentional and unintentional social conditioning of females and males that creates an atmosphere, both in the room and in an individuals mind, where it's more difficult for some one (specifically females in this case) to speak up in a crowed.

Artfully done there Bart.

Jun 27, 2019
@Brat doesn't think wimmins should be asking questions. It gets this attitude from its "religion."

Jun 27, 2019
Since women already know all the answers there is no need for them to ask questions.

Jun 27, 2019
Wiles are of the Essence

MR166
Since women already know all the answers there is no need for them to ask questions.

You could not have put it better
For they have these wiles
They have this innate knack
Of putting men
Exactly where they want them
Under their thumb
For all though they know these answers
They know
This is their mans shed
For just as boys leave girls to their own sheds
These ladies are cunning
For they take this deception further
For to always have their boys under their thumb
Always twisting their boys round their little finger
For when it comes to science
These girls know how to ply their men
For they know the answers
To these scientific questions
They have these wiles
That men fall for
Every time
For although these girls
Know these questions
They use their wiles to get their boys to answer them for them
So they can stoke their boys ego as they got their answers right
As this is how girls twist their boys round their little fingers
With their Wiles

Jun 27, 2019
Sex and racism are all the rage in this anti-liberal and postmodern time.

Jun 27, 2019
Maybe you cavemen can grab one by the hair.

Doubt you get any though; they scratch, bite, and if you get past that you best not eat anything they make.

Jun 27, 2019
Sounds like Schneib has had some very harrowing and unpleasant experiences with the fair sex.
Oops, forgot that (MOST of) these wimmings don't want to be known in that category.
But natural-born females are now beset by a new problem - that of transgenderism, where boys/men are going 'round claiming to be women and are militant about it. It now comes down to what a woman has between her or 'her' thighs. Natural women were once concerned over what men thought of them. But since the Feminist movement and the Gloria Steinems of the movement, such women couldn't care less of what men think of them. The old attitudes are dead and gone.
Now, grown men and teenage boys have to be afraid to kiss a girl/woman, or to even hold her hand, else they get hit with a sexual predator accusation.
Joe Biden gets away with sniffing a woman's hair because he's old uncle Joe, as well as a Democrat.
So we have men who claim to be women; we have women who want to be men. And homosexuals want to have kids

Jun 27, 2019
WHAT is this world coming to?
"At the 2017 meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics, data were collected through a crowdsourced approach. Any conference attendee could record data about who was asking questions after the presentations he or she attended."


Is there no longer a sense of Privacy available to conference-goers? Total strangers can record a woman's voice and concerns to see if all the women at a conference are speaking up or not, as opposed to the men in the room. What if one or more of those "women" are transgender men in reality. Will they still be tallied and recorded as women?

The absurdity grows by leaps and bounds, and I don't see any end to any of it at any time soon.
Possibly, in a few thousand years from now, it will have been written in history books about how humanity went berserk in the 21st century. No wonder ISIS/ISIL/IS hates us so.

Jun 28, 2019
Men are always on the agressive side.

Just because men are more aggressive doesn't mean their questions have more merit.

The questions at conferences should elicit the highest possible quality of information from the lecturers. And 'more aggressive' people hogging the microphones in the limited time slots available is not a way to achieve this.

Jun 28, 2019
Anti if you said that lecturers were more likely to answer a question from a male than a female you would have a valid point. Questions that were never asked due to passiveness are of no value to science.

Jun 29, 2019
MR
Since women already know all the answers
Ha ha ha - you are so funny (sarcasm). The hypocrisy of the conservative - is quite a thing to behold. If you read some classic conservative literature - you read a lot about individual freedom, and responsibility. So I am free to be me, and you are free to be you - as long as we don't interfere with each others freedoms - everything is as it should be. Now we know of Roger Ailes, Harvey Weinstein, etc. etc. etc. Led by women - there is a movement - saying stop being dick heads - and let us be who we want to be - without YOU trying to define US. Very 'conservative' one would think. But right on cue - along comes folk like MR - advertising 'I am a chauvinist - and I will be a dick head, and I don't care what you want - cuz I am a man.' Such dinosaurs - and so unaware of their own bull shit.

Jun 29, 2019
If you read some classic conservative literature - you read a lot about individual freedom, and responsibility.


Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.

Jean-Paul Sartre


Funny how the left and right fundamentally agree, but pretend they don't.

Jun 29, 2019
Onions I believe in the equality of men and women. Why does a society have to change because a women does not want to ask a question?

It is you that thinks that women are retarded if you think that special efforts have to be made in order to encourage them to ask questions.

Jun 29, 2019
We can also choose not to change it. Men are always on the agressive side. That is why there are like 100:1 ratio of killing by men rather than ladies
Its all about biology bart. Women compel men to compete for repro rights, in order to discern relative quality. Women compel men to defend them and their families. Pregnancy restricts the ability to fight, no? And there is always more men; men are disposable. Mothers arent.

Women are much more violent by proxy. Your gods explained this to you with Helen of troy.

But I think the reason women in science ask fewer questions is also biology. Women are far less concerned with the why of things than men. Women want to know who, what, when, where, and sometimes how if they need to participate. But the why is left up to the men whose task it is to provide for women while they are making and raising families.

Schopenhauer said this very thing. The why can also reveal deception, which women especially resent.

Jun 29, 2019
Funny how the left and right fundamentally agree, but pretend they don't
That just shows you how tribal politics actually is conservatives are the prevailing tribe; libs are the lesser tribe fighting for dominance. Robin Hood was champion of the lesser tribe, stealing from the prevailing tribe to feed his own.

""Primeval man", he argued, "regarded actions as good or bad solely as they obviously affected the welfare of the tribe, not of the species". Among the living tribal peoples, he added, "the virtues are practised almost exclusively in relation to the men of the same tribe" and the corresponding vices "are not regarded as crimes" if practised on other tribes" (Darwin, 1871)

Once libs achieve dominance they are just as resistant to change; they become conservatives.

The issues today are entirely about reproduction. The right still favors unrestricted growth while the left favors alternatives via nonprocreative sex and ABORTION.

It's as simple as that.

Jun 29, 2019
I see I dropped a sentence break

"That just shows you how tribal politics actually is. Conservatives are the prevailing tribe..."

Jun 29, 2019
we can choose to change that


Only fools think men and women should be the same. THEY SHOULDN'T.

Jun 29, 2019
It is you that thinks that women are retarded if you think that special efforts have to be made in order to encourage them to ask questions


I think that it is important to pay attention - and to listen. When you make stupid jokes about women (as you did - and as Joe Biden does) - you are being a chauvinist. What I hear from the Me Too movement - is a lot of women saying that they are sick and tired of the cultural problem of men using their power to rape/grope/belittle/ etc. women. Just like racism - it is a problem that is receiving a lot of attention right now. Like racism - it is complex. For example - there are studies showing that teachers encourage boys to be assertive, and girls to be submissive. https://www.newsw...lassroom

So what intrigues me here - is how rather than listen - you choose to be a dick head - and make stupid jokes about women. Seems 'conservative' - equals tourette syndrome

Jun 29, 2019
Sorry Onions but if you need a special program in order for women to ask questions they are creating their own stereotypes.

Jun 29, 2019
Sorry Onions but if you need a special program in order for women to ask questions they are creating their own stereotypes
Sorry MR - but you miss the point that I made - yet again. Making funny jokes about women - makes you a chauvinist. The issue of women's voices being less valued in our society - is just as complex as racism. But that is not the point I was jumping on. It was you saying this
Since women already know all the answers
Ha ha - aren't you funny (sarcasm). Hence the point I make -
Seems 'conservative' - equals tourette syndrome

Jun 30, 2019
Onions the whole article was a huge putdown of women and deserves to be ridiculed. They are fully capable of speaking up if they want to. It is like all the other papers that claim that women are not fully represented in the STEM fields because the courses are taught from a male perspective. Oh yea, 2+2=4 is chauvinistic.

Jun 30, 2019
So there is a bigger point in here MR. Eikka is wrong - conservatives and liberals do not want the same thing. This article is about change. The Me Too movement is about that change. Changing to a world in which people (women in this case) are free to define themselves. The dominant culture of course has to be challenged - in order to free up space for that change. Conservatives - by definition - don't like, and resist change. So women, brown people, LGBT folks etc. threaten your privilege - and must be kept down. Making fun of women - is one way of keeping them down. Creating a culture that has space for change is more what liberals want. Conservatives are afraid of that change. So you say stupid ass things - which is like throwing shit against the wall - and hoping that some will stick.

Jun 30, 2019
Onions the whole article was a huge putdown of women and deserves to be ridiculed
No it wasn't. It was a simple observational study. Again - you throw shit at the wall - and hope some will stick. There was nothing "put down" about this article. In case you had not noticed - the U.S. has never had a woman president. Yes - there is gender imbalance in our culture - and understanding it - is critical to creating change.

Jun 30, 2019
" Conservatives - by definition - don't like, and resist change. So women, brown people, LGBT folks etc. threaten your privilege......"

You are inferring that conservatives do not want to see anyone but white males improve themselves and become successful. THAT is hate speech my man (of women)!

Jun 30, 2019
" Conservatives - by definition - don't like, and resist change. So women, brown people, LGBT folks etc. threaten your privilege......"

You are inferring that conservatives do not want to see anyone but white males improve themselves and become successful. THAT is hate speech my man (or women)!

Jun 30, 2019
You are inferring that conservatives do not want to see anyone but white males improve themselves
I am inferring that conservatives do not want change. That the established power system (political/economic) wants to keep a hold of the reigns of power. It is fascinating to watch how scared this power system is of AOC, and of the young people in the youth environment movement. I am inferring that this power system (yes - old white male power system) - is willing to destroy the planet - rather than give up their access to power (read money). I am inferring that you are very much a part of this system - when you make stupid little jokes about 'women.' And you never address that bullshit - do you?

Jun 30, 2019
Onions you are also infering that all change is good. Well I disagree with that and reserve my right to be critical of changes that appear to destroy the principles that our nation was founded on.

Jun 30, 2019
" It is fascinating to watch how scared this power system is of AOC, "
And your not right? All I can say is WOW!!!

Jun 30, 2019
Onions I am really glad that your used AOC as an example of your position. She pretty much personifies everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party i.e. change for a political agenda without even considering consequences or practicality of these changes.

Jun 30, 2019
Onions you are also infering that all change is good
Yes I am. When you have a bad system - changing it is a good thing. Maybe you have never heard of Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Matt Lauer, Larry Nassar- etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam. Maybe you are not aware that 1/3 of adults in the U.S. do not have dental benefits - and so most have their teeth pulled when they have a problem. Maybe you are not aware of the masses around the world (including the U.S.) that live in grinding poverty. Maybe you don't care about climate change, pollution, soil depletion, species extinction etc. etc. So yeah - changing a bad system is good. Drooling over some mythical/perfect/idyllic system - as a way of blocking those interested in positive change - is bull shit. And telling stupid jokes that put women down - makes you a part of that conservative gang of bull shit artists.

Jun 30, 2019
She pretty much personifies everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party
I disagree. I think she challenges what is wrong with the current political system. A good old boy system of crony capitalism - that does not like uppity women (Hispanic ones for god's sake) - who dare speak their truth. They are supposed to defer to the white/male/wealthy establishment. So telling stupid jokes that put women down - makes you a complicit part of that bull shit.

Jun 30, 2019
Also she could be the poster child for everything that is wrong with higher education in the US. One of her majors was economics and she does not have the slightest idea that her plans could never be paid for without bankrupting the US.

Jun 30, 2019
"Yes I am. When you have a bad system - changing it is a good thing. "

Humm, in history which great leaders have promised great change?

Vladimir Lenin
Mao Zedong
Adolf Hitler
Fidel Castro
Hugo Chávez

Jun 30, 2019
Humm, in history which great leaders have promised great change?
Abraham Lincoln did - right? Your need to bring up communist dictators is pathetic.
It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced
You think we have arrived at the perfect system. I think there is still work to do. You make me sick - with your pathetic jabs - and total lack of recognition of the suffering of others. You are a true conservative MR - I imagine you idolize Rand
Any white person who brings the element of civilization has the right to take over this continent

Jun 30, 2019
We spent $6 trillion dollars on wars in the middle east in the last 20 years.
https://www.cnbc....udy.html

Our national debt just hit $22 trillion under a Republican president - and a Republican controlled congress. Who wants to bankrupt the country? I thought conservatives believed in fiscal responsibility. Yeah right! There is always plenty of money for killing - but none left over for the environment. It is about priorities MR - and Trump has priorities. Feed the rich - and starve everyone else. The founding fathers would be proud. Trump promised to slash the debt
he told Sean Hannity that he would "balance the budget very quickly … I think over a five-year period.
Promises kept - right? https://thinkprog...16be744/

Jun 30, 2019
Interesting how 'onions' roots for the team that helped cause all the problems. Then moans when he is lucky enough to have an alternative. He seems to confuse Trump with the DNC/ RNC / Bilderberg elite .
Re; Our national debt just hit $22 trillion , thats another issue , you won't want to be alive when that gets 'fixed'.

Jun 30, 2019
$2 trillion is the rightingnut score. And it's gonna bankrupt yuo.

Jun 30, 2019
snoose
He seems to confuse Trump with the DNC/ RNC / Bilderberg elite
Who would you like me to conflate Trump with? Was I wrong when I quoted Trump as saying "...balance the budget very quickly … I think over a five-year period." And then proceeded to add another 2 trillion to the debt? Would you call that promises kept? Is it wrong to observe that there is always plenty of money for foreign wars - from a party that says "The U.S. should not be the policeman of the world," - but then never any money left for critical issues like the environment?

Jun 30, 2019
''Who would you like me to conflate Trump with?''

nobody, Trump is his own man , thats the point

re; '.balance the budget very quickly … I think over a five-year period."

maybe if you could work together as a country instead of acting like idiots ,anything is possible

''Is it wrong to observe that there is always plenty of money for foreign wars''

Yes it is , trump has avoided war , over the objections of the the gang U support

Jun 30, 2019
Onions your inability to admit that Obama also doubled the national debt and the he also waged wars in the ME shows me that you don;t want to deal with the truth and just want to bash Republicans.

Jun 30, 2019
Abraham Lincoln did - right? Your need to bring up communist dictators is pathetic
"Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president. Under the leadership of Lincoln and a Republican Congress, slavery was banned in the United States in 1865"

"Southern Democrats were whites in the South who believed in Jeffersonian democracy. In the 1850s they defended slavery in the United States, and promoted its expansion into the West against northern Free Soil opposition."

"Democratic Redeemer governments legislated Jim Crow laws, officially segregating black people from the white population."

"Communist Party of the United States was subsidized by the Soviet government and used as a base for extensive espionage" (McCarthy was right)

-Dems... the party of slavery, Jim crow, and communism.

Jun 30, 2019
Oh and let's not forget antifeh, Louis farrakhan, and Hamas

"Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee, caused a stir on social media Wednesday when he posed with a book promoting the violent "Antifa" movement"

"The Southern Poverty Law Center whitewashed Democratic politicians' ties to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan... Farrakhan has ties to several national Democrats and the Women's March, a prominent left-wing activist group."

"Rep. Tlaib has no limits. In this tweet, where she decries misleading headlines (even though the headline was not at all misleading!), she spreads her own misleading lies. What she doesn't tell you is that a Hamas sniper shot two Israeli soldiers on the border. The IDF was responding to that aggression, defending the soldiers!"

Jun 30, 2019
Our national debt just hit $22 trillion under a Republican president - and a Republican controlled congress
"The U.S. debt increased $9 trillion during the 8 years Obama was in office"

"Sanders's Medicare-for-all legislation has been co-sponsored by Sens. Warren, Harris, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York. Nonpartisan estimates put its cost at $32 trillion over the first 10 years.

"Harris, Warren, Gillibrand and Booker have signed on to the Debt-Free College Act, which would cost at least $840 billion over 10 years. Sanders has introduced a $2.2 trillion College for All Act that would make public colleges and universities tuition-free and debt-free, and erase the roughly $1.6 trillion in student loan debt."

Etcetc ad infinito

Jun 30, 2019
MR
Onions your inability to admit that Obama also doubled the national debt and the he also waged wars in the ME shows me that you don;t want to deal with the truth and just want to bash Republicans
Show me where I denied that Obama doubled the debt. Just show me. Did Obama promise to slash the debt in a short time? Is Obama a conservative - who professes to believe in fiscal responsibility? You just make shit up.

Jun 30, 2019
Otto
The U.S. debt increased $9 trillion during the 8 years Obama was in office
But Obama did not get elected on a promise of slashing the debt. And Obama is not a fiscal conservative - who claims to believe in the principles of conservatism - ie: fiscal responsibility.

Just FYI - I agree that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans in terms of supporting crony capitalism, and a fucked up political system. Point really is that small minded racists and chauvinists like yourself and MR - can't conceive of a person who can think for themselves. Everyone fits into your stupid little boxes - and you can only deal in group think. I just call bull shit when I see it. And promising you are going to slash the debt, build the wall (and Mexico is gunna pay), drain the swamp, etc. etc. is bullshit. Obama has plenty of bullshit too. Yep - he swallowed the foreign wars right down the rabbit hole. I do like AOC - cuz she makes racists and sexists like you and MR pee their pants.

Jun 30, 2019
Snoose
Yes it is , trump has avoided war , over the objections of the the gang U support
What gang do I support Snoose? You think I am a Democrat? I am very much an independent. I like many of the ideas of groups like the libertarians. The problem I see there is that they profess those ideas in words - but don't practice them. For the most part - politicians are corrupt, money grubbing, elitist, crooks. Do I include someone like Biden in that group? You bet I do. Clintons? About as bad as you can get.

You want to know what I support? Science: Education: Technology: The environment: Truth: Social Justice. The science deniers are definitely clumped up in the Republican party - but understanding that does not mean I support the Dems. That is just your sloppy binary thinking. You have been talking to Otto too much.

Jul 01, 2019
You can't just take a statistic about a broad population...

As a society we stopped calling women broads back in the '70's, apparently it's inappropriate. Regardless, let the broads speak and ask questions, it gives us a chance to check out their backsides.

Jul 01, 2019
So Onions Obama did not promise to end wars in the ME either, did he?

The sad fact is that both parties are now controlled by the deep state and that outsiders like Trump might never be able to be elected again. Now before you post a big "Yea, Hooray" think about what that actually means.

Jul 01, 2019
But Obama did not get elected on a promise of slashing the debt
Naw he just waited until he became our president before lying about it.

""Today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office," Obama said."
And Obama is not a fiscal conservative - who claims to believe in the principles of conservatism - ie: fiscal responsibility
-Are you saying that's a good thing??
You think I am a Democrat?
Who cares? Evidence says you're a self-centered egoist just by counting the number of 'I/me's' in your posts.

Re trump budget

"Trump's 2020 budget calls for $2.7T in spending cuts, promises to erase deficit in 15 years"

-in addition to spending cuts already instituted to offset the necessary increased funding for military, border security, etc.

Jul 01, 2019
MR
So Onions Obama did not promise to end wars in the ME either, did he?
Irrelevant. I am not a Dem - or a defender of Obama. So you as usual throw shit at the wall - hoping it will stick. The point I am making - is that you are a self professed conservative - and also a huge hypocrite. Throwing your support behind someone who claims to be a fiscal conservative - and then blows the deficit out of the water - is hypocritical. Add that to also being a chauvinist - who wants to advertise his comfort in going on the internet and making fun of women. Puts you right up there with you ally racist Otto.

Jul 01, 2019
@ onions, what u say there is good but u know , if you quack like a duck and ,,, well maybe you ,,, R1

Jul 01, 2019
Green, remember that Obama increases the deficit of the US more than all of the previous presidents COMBINED. Republicans are basically the only ones call for some kind of fiscal responsibility. Democrats has stopped talking about it years and years ago.

Anyway, getting back to the point of this article, I am surprised that so many people took my comment at the beginning totally out of context. I think some of it is because commentators get emotional that they may be talking to a person with religion and start the name calling. Really sad response!!

I am in now way saying that women CAN'T ask questions. I am just suggesting that we don't have to try to actively try to change the current percentages.

Jul 01, 2019
Bart
Republicans are basically the only ones call for some kind of fiscal responsibility
With a Republican President, and a Republican Congress - they just blew the deficit through the roof. Enough with Alice in Wonderland nonsense.
Snoose - I have 0 debt in my life. Paid off the house, the cars, - and pay off the credit card every month. I am afraid the chickens are coming home to roost soon - and we are going to see an economic melt down. Want to be as meltdown proof as I can. Also not interested in giving those sharks any interest. I think a country should be run the same way. I support a balanced budget amendment. What kind of a duck does that make me snoose? I call it an independent thinker - and a libertarian in terms of my belief in personal responsibility.

Jul 01, 2019
re debt , remember to think globally , everyone is doing it [russia? ]. There is no hand of god to come down an say no.

Jul 01, 2019
Onions I believe in the equality of men and women. Why does a society have to change because a women does not want to ask a question?

It is you that thinks that women are retarded if you think that special efforts have to be made in order to encourage them to ask questions.

We believe women are not retarded but we are worried that they feel that they have no rights to speak like feelings of being inferior to men. If possible it could be great if we could improve the self esteem of women in order to have better results at conferences by more open dialog with women.
Saying that women have better quality questions and men idiot questions so women ask less is discrimination in the favour of women believing that women are superior.

Jul 01, 2019
Snoose
everyone is doing it
Which in your mind excuses making campaign promises - and then breaking them - http://www.msnbc....coherent

I understand the argument about governments have to have the tool of borrowing money in their tool box. I happen to believe that we should be fiscally responsible - and only spend what we earn. But hey Snoose - if it quacks like a hypocrite - it probably is a hypocrite.

Jul 02, 2019
With a Republican President, and a Republican Congress - they just blew the deficit through the roof. Enough with Alice in Wonderland nonsense.
Snoose - I have 0 debt in my life. Paid off the house, the cars, - and pay off the credit card every month. I am afraid the chickens are coming home to roost soon - and we are going to see an economic melt down. Want to be as meltdown proof as I can. Also not interested in giving those sharks any interest. I think a country should be run the same way. I support a balanced budget amendment. What kind of a duck does that make me snoose? I call it an independent thinker - and a libertarian in terms of my belief in personal responsibility
Lessee that's 13 I/me/my refs actual and implied in one post. EYE think that makes YOU an egoist or narcissist or within the spectrum. The spectrum which includes psychopathy.

What do YOU have to say for YOUrself hmmm?

Jul 02, 2019
everyone is doing it '

u miss the point , there is no alternative at this point , the consequences would be too dire

As for Trumps claims , it mght help if he got some cooperation instead of hysteria , why don't the trump alternatives have the same goals ?

Jul 02, 2019
Otto
What do YOU have to say for YOUrself hmmm?
Why do you think I need to justify myself to the site racist? I was just making a point about fiscal responsibility. No law says you can't use personal examples. I do believe in fiscal responsibility - and think our politicians should too. It is our money they are spending. Snoose says there is no alternative. That is the cop out of a very lazy person. Of course there are alternatives. Big part of personal responsibility - is recognizing that we have choices. What do YOU have to say for YOURSELF - hmmmmmm?

Jul 02, 2019
Site racist and site sexist, I'd say.

On the topic I'd say women are not encouraged to ask questions. More encouragement might just be a good idea. Praise like, "That was a good question!" might help. Maybe women need more of it; but all the indications are, it's a sociological problem, not a biological one. So if we can say we can solve the sociological problem, and it doesn't get better then we can look into biological causes. But I can't see any effort in solving the sociological problem, so I'm extremely skeptical about other causes.

Jul 02, 2019
Snoose - on the issue of "there is no alternative - as the consequences would be too dire" What do you propose? Just keep running up the deficit for ever? How do you get off this merry go round? Or do you propose just riding it - until the wheels come off the bus.

Jul 03, 2019
Perhaps women are just not as interested in science as men. Go to a school board meeting or town hall meeting of political candidates and you will find that women ask plenty of questions. It is just a matter of different sexes having different priorities.

Jul 03, 2019
@ onions, what u say there is good but u know , if you quack like a duck and ,,, well maybe you ,,, R1
So @Snoose, what would that make you, considering your denial of science?

perhaps GO is a centrist who doesn't like either side?

re: article
is the problem sociological or biological?
Given the complex nature of humans, and that there are fundamental differences between the sexes, then...?

the above sample size seems small, so I can't wait to see more data

Jul 03, 2019
@mr
Perhaps women are just not as interested in science as men
horsepucky

you can't equate "school board meeting or town hall meeting" with professionals working in a field that requires extensive training and education; that would be like equating your high school drivers ed class with Congress (in session) because they both require people and no one really knows where they're headed


Jul 03, 2019
perhaps GO is a centrist who doesn't like either side?
Otto understands human nature. A rich mix of tropical animal and tribalist. Racism is a favorite triggerword of libtard tribalists who are just as bigoted and willfully ignorant and deceitful as any other tribalist.

Greengotts favorite vid
https://www.youtu...kVn4ejq0

-ouchy-

I suggest the pink concrete milkshake yum-

Jul 04, 2019
'' What do you propose? Just keep running up the deficit for ever? How do you get off this merry go round? ''

https://www.armst...ics.com/ ??

Jul 04, 2019
Otto understands human nature
Is that a self reference? I thought Otto disapproved of such narcissism! Otto understands human nature so well - that he posts racist filth on a science web site - and then gets bent out of shape when other posters point it out. Some perceptive dude there.

Jul 04, 2019
Snoosebaum - is that reference to Nigel Farage an example of an alternative? I thought you said we had no alternative. Oh that's right - you did
there is no alternative at this point
So which is it? Do we have alternatives? What alternative do you espouse? Give us some details - not just a link to someone else's web site.

Jul 04, 2019
thats a link to martin armstrong , he says there is no solution , it just has to collapse and reset , just nature at work

Jul 04, 2019
that he posts racist filth on a science web site
What racist filth? The vid? I see a bunch of ninja babies beating on a person lying on the ground with sticks. Along comes a big guy who decks one of those black shirt nazi cowards and shows him what happens in a real fight.

I see an anti white racist getting owned, and then I read a comment from a self-loathing anti white racist here complaining about it.

Re science, this all is an interesting study in how tribalism affects cognition. In your case it twists it even more.

Jul 04, 2019
Perhaps greengutless would prefer this vid
https://youtu.be/8WzMZxT-41k

-in which a minority conservative reporter is getting his first amendment rights abridged by a bunch of obviously racist cowardly antifeh ninja babies.

They all oughta have their heads removed - er examined I mean.

They CAN be prosecuted however...

"Title 18, Section 241, of the U.S. Code, which explains (my emphasis in bold):

"If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any [U.S. locality due to said person's] free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States... or if two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured - They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both...."

-Ironically enough it's called the anti-KKK law.

Jul 04, 2019
What racist filth?
Yeah yeah - you know exactly what I am talking about. No need to re-litigate years past.

Jul 04, 2019
What racist filth?
Yeah yeah - you know exactly what I am talking about. No need to re-litigate years past.
Since you're a bigot who enjoys making shit up, I have no idea what youre talking about.

Jul 04, 2019
I have no idea what youre talking about
A number of exchanges we have had on physorg - in which you have advertised your racist views - and I have called you on it. Perhaps the poor memory is dementia.

Jul 04, 2019
You've certainly lied about it. Which is what you do after all.

Jul 05, 2019
You've certainly lied about it
No I have not - but what ever. It is clear to me that there have been a number of occasions - in which you have posted some very racist crap - and gotten called on it. Not just by me - see Da Schneib's comment above - just as one example. But getting back to today's topic - what is your point? I will be happy to try to summarize my point - that I feel very clear about. But I would first like you to tell us yours. Reason being - I don't think you have one - other than to want to be the school yard bully - who repeatedly goes into attack mode - when called out for being a bully. And it does not seem to me that you actually have a point.

Jul 05, 2019
Hey Snoose - just a thought. You are now arguing that
there is no solution , it just has to collapse and reset
Although the topic was brought up - because of the fact that Trump promised he was going to fix the problem (and then did not.) In other words - trump was clearly saying that there IS a solution - and HE has the magic key.

So which is it. Is there a solution? Or is there no solution - and Trump is a liar? Either one of those options - creates a problem for you - as Trump supporter - who claims there is 'no solution?'

Jul 05, 2019
yes it would be better if Trump told the truth , there will/might be a calamitous financial collapse, hmmm

duh ?

Jul 05, 2019
Wow - when asked a question - you guys just bob and weave. But no answer. Do you think there is a solution to the problem of $22 trillion national debt. If so - what do you think it is. Or is Trump a liar - and the only option is wait for the shit to hit the wall?

My view - there are solutions - but they will require a radical revision of priorities. Big tax system overhaul. That is of course probably not going to happen - so we are probably right - and sooner or later - the wheels come off the bus.

Jul 05, 2019
but they will require a radical revision of priorities. ''

like coming together and working for your country , instead of acting like idiots , nope, thats out , countries = nationalism = nazis .
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'' Big tax system overhaul. ''

= communism , how'd that work last time ?


Jul 05, 2019
like coming together and working for your country
Notice you don't answer the question. Is a $22 trillion dollar debt - good for your country? I keep asking Snoose - and I get no answer. Is there a solution to the debt. It seems to me that taking the attitude "Hey - screw the country - just let it "collapse and reset." is not too patriotic.
countries = nationalism = nazis
That depends. If you hate on people from other countries - then yes that is pretty nazi-esque ( in my view). It seems to me - that the idea of caring for other people - no matter what country they were born in - is a pretty good idea. It could mean that we avoid going over the cliff.

Jul 05, 2019
communism , how'd that work last time ?
I in no way endorse communism. Your binary thinking is pathetic. Do you support paying taxes? I do. What about a fair tax system - where everyone pays their fair share? Our tax code is stupidly complex - I think due to the power of lobbyists - to own law makers - and write tax loopholes ad nauseum. The lobbyists actually write the laws. I got that information directly from a legislative liaison. So Trump gets to brag about being fabulously rich, and then pays no taxes for 8 years straight. Communism is a really bad idea. But maybe being willing to pay your fair share of taxes - so you can come together and work for your country - is not so bad. Avoiding the draft by making up a lie about having bone spurs is not too patriotic either.

Jul 06, 2019
''I in no way endorse communism'' ''You want to know what I support?'' '' Social Justice. ''

Social Justice. '' is marxism

u might like , https://www.bitch...mkRY7So/

Jul 07, 2019
Social Justice. '' is marxism
Harvey Weinstein is a serial rapist - who used his power to hurt many many women. Working to change a system that enables serial rapists - is not marxism! I am not a communist, or a marxist. The enabling of serial rapists by people like Weinsten, Cosby, Nasser, Lauer etc. etc. etc. is one example - of one issue being worked on by people who are interested in a more just society. You are so ignorant - and so happy to advertise your ignorance.

Jul 07, 2019
lol ,

nah , you're no marxist , just one of their tools

Jul 07, 2019
It is interesting to see how barren the dialogue of the right really is. I want to see a world in which there is progress. That means scientific, technological, social progress. I would like to live in a better world - with no racism, sexism, violence, child abuse etc. etc. And your level of response to that interest is "You're a marxist." And you are just not capable of understanding how stupid that really is. You notice above that I ask Otto "what is your point?" And there is no response. Your response is to link to a really stupid youtube video. You guys cannot really debate the issues. You just default to being stupid.

Jul 07, 2019
just because some things need to be clarified, IMHO

@Green
So Trump gets to brag about being fabulously rich, and then pays no taxes for 8 years straight
no
"As the Fiscal Times reported in a 2016 article, there is no presidential exemption for tax payments. Presidents, like all Americans, are required to file income taxes by tax day" -Bustle
see also: IRS.gov, Fiscal Times, NPR
Avoiding the draft by making up a lie about having bone spurs is not too patriotic either
source?
bone spurs have been diagnosable since x-rays were used, so the 1-Y rating (and subsequent 4F) had to have been based upon evidentiary diagnosis considering the Armed Forces physical examination he went through
see also: https://www.snope...erments/

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@snoose
marxist adoption of social justice ideological beliefs doesn't mean social justice is marxism any more than the adoption of freedom by the US means no other government can be free


Jul 07, 2019
Captain
No
(regarding not paying taxes) https://www.usato...5982001/

Regarding the bone spurs. Bone spurs do not go away without surgery.
However, they will not go away on their own.
https://www.algae...e-spurs/ So all Captain bone spurs has to do is show us a recent x-ray - or evidence of surgery. The bone spur story was made up - to get the great patriot out of serving - https://www.usato...0475002/

Jul 07, 2019
(regarding not paying taxes)
@green
I'm not a Trump fan at all, but I stopped at the 4th and 5th word:
reportedly lost
this is not equivalent to a fact

and after checking references in the article:
the USA Today article doesn't link any proof other than a reference to a NYT article, which self references to yet another NYT article, an NYT blog, another NYT report about a statement from NY's Atty Gen, an NYT article about his 1995 taxes (which, BTW, is the first article that has source material that can be validated), and an NYT article about his 2005 taxes

the latter two are the only NYT articles that actually provide data that can be checked and validated, and neither back up claims of 8 years tax free

but ignoring that for a moment: why isn't anyone pushing for an investigation of Wal-Mart for using the exact same tactics far, far more effectively?

IRS allows businesses relief from taxes when they take losses (stated in the articles) ...

TBC

Jul 08, 2019
Cont'd
business losses like Wally World's $3 billion in shrinkage (theft, etc) and the linked report below "estimates that Walmart and the Walton family—which co-founded the company and still owns a majority share—collectively profit from nearly $7.8 billion per year in federal subsidies and tax breaks" (2014)
https://americans...ss-1.pdf

so griping about Trump using the same tactic to "not pay taxes" is nonsensical given that this is common among businesses and the extremely wealthy, including the elite congresspersons who are whinging the loudest (start pulling all the political leadership tax returns and see for yourself... Protip: dig for Pelosi's for a real treat if you're looking for blatant hypocrisy)
So all Captain bone spurs has to do is show us a recent x-ray
are you referring to me?
1- HIPAA
2- 5 U.S.C.A. 552a
The bone spur story was made up
circumstantial and hearsay
any facts?

Jul 08, 2019
@green last
The bone spur story was made up - to get the great patriot out of serving - https://www.usato...0475002/
one thing that bothers me about the last part of your post is that you accept it without checking for validation ... and yet, one thing that seriously concerns me, and I shall quote it directly from the article:
"It was something we would always discuss," Elysa Braunstein told the Times. She and her sister are both Democrats who oppose Trump, according to the newspaper.
that statement is disconcerting

Personally, I hate the guy, but I'm not willing to accept their statement as factual when they have no evidence and they self admit to being opposed to him

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@snoose
a youtube video? of Jordan Peterson, Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto? from a channel that has three whole videos and no list of supporting evidence in the description? so no way to check anything?

really?
won't even bother

Jul 08, 2019
Captain
I'm not a Trump fan at all, but I stopped at the 4th and 5th word
So what? The guy wont release his taxes - so we deal with the information we can get. The fact that you stopped at the 4th word means nothing. Don't bother reading the article at all. Yes - I am griping about Trump not paying taxes. I am griping about a rigged system. I am griping about false patriotism that is thrown in my face all the time - by hypocrites. I pay taxes - and I am happy to pay taxes - it is the responsible thing to do. I don't try to cheat the system. Trump clearly does everything he can - to enrich himself. He is a liar - and a hypocrite. He called McCain a coward for getting caught. But he took 5 defferments - and does not pay his fair share of taxes. Nice world you advocate for Captain. A world of grifters and liars.

Jul 08, 2019
@green
The guy wont release his taxes
show me Pelosi's taxes
so we deal with the information we can get
hold on right there: the references you're giving, who self-reference to validate themselves, are making assumptions about that information based on hearsay because they want to believe - that has nothing to do with fact. that is more like a religious acceptance of [x] because [y] told you to believe it

which was my point, mind
Trump clearly does everything he can - to enrich himself. He is a liar - and a hypocrite
this is the nature of politics and Pelosi has done the exact same thing
Nice world you advocate for Captain
who said I advocate for it?
I'm being realistic and trying to give you a hint that applying the same scientific principles you advocate for is useful when dealing with non-science

don't assume a source is correct without validation just because you hate Trump - it makes you look like eggy, bart, shootist and the other idiots

Jul 08, 2019
@green
Nice world you advocate for Captain
this is irrational and you should know better, BTW

trying to argue from a fact-based objective perspective about a topic doesn't mean I advocate for it

you're arguing that because he didn't pay taxes he is bad... ok! so taking that with Liberalism ( https://en.wikipe...beralism ) we should apply that to everyone equally. that means the DEM party too, which would wipe out *ALL* the rich politicians in the country from both parties (and *ALL* businesses) because they *ALL* use the same IRS businesses relief tactics

get the point yet?

now regarding his classification to 4F:
You're assuming that he doesn't have valid, verifiable evidence of spurs without actually knowing if he does simply because you dislike him and a particular source told you that it was OK to believe it (religion 101)

I dislike Trump for factual reasons, not religious ones

Jul 08, 2019
''marxist adoption of social justice ideological beliefs doesn't mean social justice is marxism any more than the adoption of freedom by the US means no other government can be free''

an assertion by yourself ? and no list of supporting evidence in the description? so no way to check anything?

really?
won't even bother

Jul 08, 2019
@snoose
an assertion by yourself ? and no list of supporting evidence in the description? so no way to check anything?

really?
given that you've produced no viable or verifiable evidence other than an opinion then my refute is equivalent to your statement, especially as your argument is only supported by your appeal to a perceived authority using a logical fallacy

http://wp.auburn....opinion/


Jul 09, 2019
Captain
show me Pelosi's taxes
Captain - you are just looking for a pissing match. Pelosi is not running for President - has not stated on the record that she wants to release her taxes - but cannot - due to being under audit. Despite have stated that he wants the American public to see his taxes - he now blocks congressional subpoenas to provide his taxes. Multiple books have not been written about her criminal enterprises etc. Nothing prevents someone who is under audit from releasing their taxes.

But like I say - you are just looking for a pissing match. We agree that Trump is bad dude. Nuf for me.

Jul 09, 2019
@green
Captain - you are just looking for a pissing match
no, I am not

I'm making a point: it doesn't matter if they're running for POTUS or not - You're applying a double standard because of party affiliation and dislike for Trump, which is nonsensical

more to the point: POTUS has very little power compared to Congress

and lastly, and this is more important considering the topic: don't assume that something posted in an article on the internet is true simply because you want to believe it as this makes the believer of the post no different than cantdrive, shooty, eggy and the rest of the delusional idiots here

*THAT* is the reason I want original source material and I am challenging your statements ... and it's also the reason I disliked the above-linked references you provided

You really can use the scientific principles in areas other than science... facts matter. I prefer them over opinion, regardless of the letters after a name

Jul 09, 2019
@Green
Multiple books have not been written about her criminal enterprises etc
but millions of posts and articles from sources similar to your own above have been written... About 14,300,000 results (0.47 seconds) on Google, and more on DuckDuckGo
https://www.googl...ZPPoX5dA

why do I bring it up? The double standard

Pelosi has effectively blocked Trump on numerous occasions proving she wields far more power than he does, she's implicated in several insider trading scams with hubby (60 MIN, Political Insider, WA Times, etc), and no one seems to mind her alleged illegal activity (no adjudication, like Trump, so alleged, not "proven")

go after them *all*... not just Trump

Jul 09, 2019
Captain
go after them *all*... not just Trump
Perhaps you can't read. If you look at many of my posts - you will see that I am against corruption - not just Trump. I often hammer Hillary and Bill for being corrupt. I am certainly not a Democrat - and understand fully that the central problem is one of power. I do not believe the solution will come from the halls of power - but from a grass roots movement - if there is to be a solution at all. Recent Epstein case is perfect. Bill Clinton is deep in with Mr. child rapist - as is Trump (Clinton has a closer relationship - but Trump is not blameless.)
What I am really against - is stupid. Cult membership seems to be central to the issue of stupid. A system that promotes cult membership (religion, political affiliation, nationalism, etc. - seem to be a major problem.) What I yearn for - is a world in which progress, education, tolerance, intelligence - are the driving values. I am truly beginning to wonder if I am alone.

Jul 09, 2019
Perfect case in point Captain. From one of the hits on your web search
"60 Minutes" revealed that elected officials like Pelosi are exempt from insider trading laws
Wow - gosh - how did that happen? (sarcasm). And of course - politicians of every flavor - are going to personally benefit from this nice little financial windfall - that would put any one of us in jail. Crony capitalism is such a problem.
On the issue of stupid. Willie Ward claims that wind turbines leak electricity and kills cows. Trump says that wind turbines cause cancer. Snoosebaum says that advocating for social justice means that you are a Marxist. MR166 responds to an article on women's voices at science conferences - by making a childish joke about women thinking they know everything. Conservatism does seem to play some role in amplifying stupid. I think it is the relationship between power - and a philosophy that promotes the use/missuse of that power.


Jul 09, 2019
Snoosebaum says that advocating for social justice means that you are a Marxist. ''

must be a smart guy , in the current context of the attempted coup against trump and the voice given to postmodern marxist anarchists it does . Though you may independantly have strong views about 'social justice', personal views are irrelevant unless given voice in the official narrative.

Jul 10, 2019
personal views are irrelevant unless given voice in the official narrative
Then why do you call me a Marxist - which is an assertion about me personally. Do you not see the logical conflict in your bullshit.

Please also show us examples of this "post modern, marxist anarchist voice." Marxism and anarchism are very contradictory political philosophies - so it seems to me that you are talking mumbo jumbo.

Jul 10, 2019
@Green
I am truly beginning to wonder if I am alone
you're not alone. I just don't think its going to be possible as we are a predatory species and to survive, especially in the unknown, we will need to retain certain aspects of the species that generate current irrational fears and stupidity
Conservatism does seem to play some role in amplifying stupid
I disagree. "Conservatism is a political and social philosophy promoting traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization. The central tenets of conservatism include tradition, human imperfection, organic society, hierarchy, authority, and property rights"... [-Wiki]

so it would be the fanatical irrational idiot religious drawn to Conservativism that plays a role in amplifying stupid... just like the fanatical irrational idiot marxist/communist idiots drawn to Liberalism (who apparently don't understand what Liberalism actually is [see Wiki]) playing the role of stupid

Jul 10, 2019
@snoose
must be a smart guy
anyone who boldly denies factual, validated science is *NOT* a "smart guy"
in the current context of the attempted coup against trump and the voice given to postmodern marxist anarchists it does
no, it doesn't

Hijacking a political term and applying it randomly is irrational and really, really f*cking stupid... this is the problem with the current "Liberal" party who is anything *but* Liberal
personal views are irrelevant unless given voice in the official narrative
it is the personal view that collectively defines the official narrative when shared and debated properly, which is what Green is doing (and how we've gotten definitions for Liberalism, Conservativism and Socialism)

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@green
Do you not see the logical conflict in your bullshit
he's trolling you because he knows it pisses you off

Jul 10, 2019
@Green (last)
Perhaps you can't read
re-read what I posted
I was making a very specific point and it's valid considering the above

- I clarified that even POTUS was required to pay taxes and that there was no evidence provided supporting your assertions

AND

- I clarified a medical and military/gov't bureaucratic point

AND

- I made a point that just because it's posted on the internet doesn't mean it's true, especially as there was no linked evidence (When I asked for source)

.

You assumed I was in a pissing match
I hate all political parties equally and I think we should scrap all of our politicians and start anew, but then again, that would just bring worse problems

your point about Pelosi drives home a fight that I am involved in: Nothing should exempt our elected officials from obeying our laws on our soil (Diplomatic immunity is a different beast)

Jul 10, 2019
''it is the personal view that collectively defines the official narrative when shared and debated properly,''

LOL, you really are a fool , how did that work with the Iraq wars and the media [ ie the official narrative ?

onion ,
' personal views are irrelevant unless given voice in the official narrative'
''Then why do you call me a Marxist - which is an assertion about me personally. Do you not see the logical conflict in your bullshit. ''

because you espouse the views of the current species of Marxist . To give an extreme example , if i say nazi things but then claim i'm not one of ' those ' nazis but i have my own personal definition of nazi , i really wouldn't matter in a context where real nazis were being promoted.

''Please also show us examples of this "post modern, marxist anarchist voice.''

ok
https://www.youtu...+youtube

and Jordan peterson can provide background and details

Jul 11, 2019
captain
I disagree.
I already got that point Captain.
there was no evidence provided supporting your assertions
Yes there was - but you choose not to see it as evidence. When Trump refused to release his taxes - we are left depending on journalists to dig up what they can. My assertion was based on New York Times article. Accept it or not - nothing changes.
I hate all political parties equally
I don't. The Republicans have taken hypocrisy to a new level recently. Corruption is becoming far more blatant. The mask is off. But hey - like you say - we disagree.

Jul 11, 2019
Snoose
because you espouse the views of the current species of Marxist
Really? please be specific about which Marxist views I have espoused. Perhaps you don't really know what the Philosophy of Marxism is. I am not a Marxist - but hey feel free to point out where I have ever advocated for Marxism.

Jul 12, 2019
Captain
you're not alone
Yes I am. Alone in the sense that I live in a sea of stupid - and it is impossible to find any one else to have a meaningful conversation with. The dialogue is monopolized, and dominated by stupid. So we live in a world of terrible violence/poverty/suffering. And we can't talk about that - cuz conservatives keep repeating their mantra - that "Things are better today than they have ever been." So look at the examples I gave above - of blatant false hoods - that are being pushed by conservatives. And no matter how many times you try to counter their lies - they just pop up tmrw, and repeat the process. So while I agree that Pelosi et al - are dirty corrupt politicians - Trump and his followers - have taken stupid to new levels. And there seems to be no way to fight back. The culture is too stuck in fucked up stupid mode.

Jul 29, 2019
@green
Sorry for the delay
Yes there was - but you choose not to see it as evidence
no
there are levels of evidence and the evidence provided were, at best, untested claims, and considering the lack of factual validatable evidence from unrelated sources, should be considered opinion based upon the following: http://wp.auburn....opinion/

if we consider what is factual based upon scientific principles and the statements in the link, which use a method to determine fact vs opinion, etc, then we must dismiss the evidence from the NYT due to it's lack of validation, self-reference and lack of actual evidence supporting the claims
The Republicans have taken hypocrisy to a new level recently
it's no different than the DEM's calling SCOTUS Kavanaugh a rapist without evidence, a trial or a chance to meet the accuser in court (etc, ad nauseum)

no party is exempt

Jul 29, 2019
@green
Alone in the sense that I live in a sea of stupid
you're arguing subjective belief with bias and typically you will be talking to others who also have a bias

few apply scientific principles to the discussion
few apply levels of evidence
few apply logic or reason
the above is demonstrative of this in your acceptance of NYT without regard to validation as well as snoose promoting personal belief based upon a youtube or similar echo chamber

both of you are acting no different than the eu cult pushing an ideological

that is not arguing in a sea of stupid so much as it's two competing faiths attempting to prove which imaginary belief is better for everyone

politicians are corrupt because we promote them in our culture and we allow them to remain in power

that can change with our constitution, but only when we come together as a people to change it

which won't happen while people argue about ideological beliefs and their supremacy

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